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« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2009, 03:17:46 PM »
The agenda of the spirit must overpower the agenda of the flesh, which is completely different--mortal flesh knows it will die, the spirit is eternal. The flesh doesn't have plans for eternity. Therefore the flesh will be inclined to acts that are not eternal but only keep itself alive apart from the will of the spirit.

The "I" that overpowers the flesh is the new creation in Christ beating the flesh into submission.
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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2009, 03:55:58 PM »
Quote from: phoebe on October 28, 2009, 12:21:09 PM
Bonnie - You said:

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Paul had no Jewish faith. ...

I'm saying that Scripture says that he was a Jew, a Jew of Jews, and that he himself said that he was.

Quote from: Bonnie on October 28, 2009, 10:28:33 AM
I don't understand. Phoebe, are you saying he never put them into jail or what?

I'm saying that there is no Scriptural evidence that he was a Roman soldier, only that he said he was a Roman citizen.  Some might say it is implied.  One can say it is implied, but I don't think one can claim that he was.  We know that he persecuted Christians.  And he had some kind of authority to put them in jail.  But to claim he was a Roman soldier is a bit of a stretch, IMO.  I will retract if someone can show Scriptural evidence that says otherwise.




I can't see that he kept the law to the letter and that's why I believe he was not a "good" Jew.  Yes, he did have somekind of authority by putting people in prison. I guess we don't really know what position he held with the Romans but I thought I had read that... maybe it was supposed by a Theologian I read. I don't remember.
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2009, 01:08:07 PM »
Quote from: Bonnie on October 28, 2009, 03:55:58 PM
Quote from: phoebe on October 28, 2009, 12:21:09 PM
Bonnie - You said:

Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
Paul had no Jewish faith. ...

I'm saying that Scripture says that he was a Jew, a Jew of Jews, and that he himself said that he was.

Quote from: Bonnie on October 28, 2009, 10:28:33 AM
I don't understand. Phoebe, are you saying he never put them into jail or what?

I'm saying that there is no Scriptural evidence that he was a Roman soldier, only that he said he was a Roman citizen.  Some might say it is implied.  One can say it is implied, but I don't think one can claim that he was.  We know that he persecuted Christians.  And he had some kind of authority to put them in jail.  But to claim he was a Roman soldier is a bit of a stretch, IMO.  I will retract if someone can show Scriptural evidence that says otherwise.




I can't see that he kept the law to the letter and that's why I believe he was not a "good" Jew.  Yes, he did have somekind of authority by putting people in prison. I guess we don't really know what position he held with the Romans but I thought I had read that... maybe it was supposed by a Theologian I read. I don't remember.


Where do you see that he was not a good Jew, a good keeper of the Law?  His reference was to his life pre-conversion.
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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2009, 03:33:12 PM »
Quote from: phoebe on October 29, 2009, 01:08:07 PM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 28, 2009, 03:55:58 PM
Quote from: phoebe on October 28, 2009, 12:21:09 PM
Bonnie - You said:

Quote from: Bonnie on October 26, 2009, 12:05:50 PM
Paul had no Jewish faith. ...

I'm saying that Scripture says that he was a Jew, a Jew of Jews, and that he himself said that he was.

Quote from: Bonnie on October 28, 2009, 10:28:33 AM
I don't understand. Phoebe, are you saying he never put them into jail or what?

I'm saying that there is no Scriptural evidence that he was a Roman soldier, only that he said he was a Roman citizen.  Some might say it is implied.  One can say it is implied, but I don't think one can claim that he was.  We know that he persecuted Christians.  And he had some kind of authority to put them in jail.  But to claim he was a Roman soldier is a bit of a stretch, IMO.  I will retract if someone can show Scriptural evidence that says otherwise.




I can't see that he kept the law to the letter and that's why I believe he was not a "good" Jew.  Yes, he did have somekind of authority by putting people in prison. I guess we don't really know what position he held with the Romans but I thought I had read that... maybe it was supposed by a Theologian I read. I don't remember.


Where do you see that he was not a good Jew, a good keeper of the Law?  His reference was to his life pre-conversion.




This is getting very boring. I don't see Paul as anything but a sinner before his conversion. All the Pharisses saw themselves through an inflated ego but their hearts were far from God.
Apostle Paul became one of the greatest men to ever serve our God. He left behind those things, why don't we.
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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2009, 03:40:36 PM »
Yes, Paul said that the Jews tried to "establish their own righteousness."

The Pharisees made a set of laws--"legalistic righteousness". They followed laws that they themselves made up to help them feel like they were living by their own standards, which often "nullified the law" of Moses as Jesus pointed out.
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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2009, 04:20:20 PM »
Quote from: Bonnie on October 29, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
This is getting very boring. ...

I don't get that.  Scratching head....a little confused.  Studying God's Word is never boring to me!
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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2009, 04:52:28 PM »
Quote from: DWilmer on October 26, 2009, 12:06:43 AM
Paul wrote: "I chastise my body and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps when I have preached to others I myself should be castaway"

Is it possible to infer what he was doing?

I think it simply refers to abstaining from the desires of the physical body.

Were you looking for more concrete ideas?  Fasting, for example?
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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2009, 07:48:28 PM »
Quote from: phoebe on October 29, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
Quote from: Bonnie on October 29, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
This is getting very boring. ...

I don't get that.  Scratching head....a little confused.  Studying God's Word is never boring to me!


I never said it was.
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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2009, 07:50:09 PM »
Quote from: Dayvd on October 29, 2009, 04:52:28 PM
Quote from: DWilmer on October 26, 2009, 12:06:43 AM
Paul wrote: "I chastise my body and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps when I have preached to others I myself should be castaway"

Is it possible to infer what he was doing?

I think it simply refers to abstaining from the desires of the physical body.

Were you looking for more concrete ideas?  Fasting, for example?


I agree. It seems obvious that he was referring to fleshly desires.
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