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What does sanctify mean?
« on: Fri Nov 20, 2009 - 22:41:26 »
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
John 17:17-19 (KJV)

What is the definition of the word sanctify?
What does it mean and how is it done?

Just what am I to understand the scripture above to mean?

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« Reply #1 on: Sat Nov 21, 2009 - 15:41:05 »
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
John 17:17-19 (KJV)

What is the definition of the word sanctify?
What does it mean and how is it done?

Just what am I to understand the scripture above to mean?



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G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
Thayer Definition:
1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
2a) consecrate things to God
2b) dedicate people to God
3) to purify
3a) to cleanse externally
3b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
3c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G40
Citing in TDNT: 1:111, 14


G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #2 on: Sat Nov 21, 2009 - 15:59:24 »
What is the definition of the word sanctify?


To be made separate.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G37&t=KJV

What does it mean and how is it done?


According to the passages you mentioned it is done by the Lord and through his Word.

Just what am I to understand the scripture above to mean?


I would like to hear what you understand so far.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #3 on: Sat Nov 21, 2009 - 17:24:11 »
The jury is still out on that one Charles hopefully will get back to you with an answer soon.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #4 on: Sat Nov 21, 2009 - 19:34:35 »
Please read the following verses and help me to understand by what means God does his sanctifying

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:26 (KJV)

 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:5 (KJV)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:5 (KJV)

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 22:16 (KJV)

 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:22 (KJV)

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1 Peter 3:21 (KJV)

This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1 John 5:6-8 (KJV)

Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:12 (KJV)

Now the way I see it belief gives us the justification to be sanctified which is done in baptism

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« Reply #5 on: Sat Nov 21, 2009 - 22:46:01 »
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
John 17:17-19 (KJV)

What is the definition of the word sanctify?
What does it mean and how is it done?

Just what am I to understand the scripture above to mean?

To be sanctified is to be made holy. To be made holy is to be set aside for the work of God. To be set aside for the work of God is to live as God would live - as Jesus did. To live as God would live is to live out of the image in which you were made.

To be sanctified then, is to live as you were made to live with God, working with and as God wills in the Creation.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #6 on: Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 11:30:18 »
Now the way I see it belief gives us the justification to be sanctified which is done in baptism

Yogi,

Where I agree that baptism is apart of the process of sanctification, I cannot place anymore importance on baptism than I do belief or repentance. I don't think justification happens at the point of baptism for many reasons, for example Cornelius and his men were purified by faith and given the Holy Spirit prior to baptism (Act 10:47, Act 15:9). So justification seems to be placed at the point of faith or belief rather than in the response of that belief in baptism (Act 8:36-37).

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« Reply #7 on: Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 21:51:56 »
Charles I think I agree with you somewhat. Here is where I am at so lets take it from where you are compared to me and see where we end up.

This thread seems to be slow at getting going so I have decided to toss out what I am trying to figure out.

I have come to believe that Justification is belief in what Christ has done on the cross. God justifies us by providing a way to redeem us to him. When we come to believe that we are justified to become sanctified. God does this through baptism in which he transforms us from death to alive in his spirit which continues to sanctify us to grow and live in the spirit he has given.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #8 on: Mon Nov 23, 2009 - 00:56:38 »
I have come to believe that Justification is belief in what Christ has done on the cross. God justifies us by providing a way to redeem us to him. When we come to believe that we are justified to become sanctified. God does this through baptism in which he transforms us from death to alive in his spirit which continues to sanctify us to grow and live in the spirit he has given.

So how would this explain Cornelius and gang?

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #9 on: Mon Nov 23, 2009 - 13:41:54 »
Now the way I see it belief gives us the justification to be sanctified which is done in baptism

Yogi,

Where I agree that baptism is apart of the process of sanctification, I cannot place anymore importance on baptism than I do belief or repentance. I don't think justification happens at the point of baptism for many reasons, for example Cornelius and his men were purified by faith and given the Holy Spirit prior to baptism (Act 10:47, Act 15:9). So justification seems to be placed at the point of faith or belief rather than in the response of that belief in baptism (Act 8:36-37).



a good point concerning the "equality" of repentance, faith, baptism, confession of his name etc.  It really isn't as necessary to bust these up into parts.   We weren't called to be "parts" but a whole.   There is no such thing of a nonrepentant christian, unbelieving christian, unbaptised christian, a christian who would not confess His name, etc.    Being a packaged cumulation of "parts" doesn't answer the question to at what exact point in time did salvation occur because that wasn't the question being asked of us. 

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« Reply #10 on: Mon Nov 23, 2009 - 21:06:13 »
I ask another question. Are there levels of sanctification? I refer to the apostles. I cannot relate to the apostles. They lived lives with a dedication I cannot reach. Do we today truly live as a people set apart for God? If we truly lived up to the standards that were given to them by Jesus what would we experience as the people of God? Would we abandon all forms of entertainment and focus all of our energy on preaching and teaching?  ::pondering::

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
John 17:17-19 (KJV)

What is the definition of the word sanctify?
What does it mean and how is it done?

Just what am I to understand the scripture above to mean?


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« Reply #11 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 02:25:15 »
Please read the following verses and help me to understand by what means God does his sanctifying

That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:26 (KJV)

 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:5 (KJV)

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:5 (KJV)

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 22:16 (KJV)

 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Heb 10:22 (KJV)

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1 Peter 3:21 (KJV)

This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1 John 5:6-8 (KJV)

Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:12 (KJV)

Now the way I see it belief gives us the justification to be sanctified which is done in baptism


Lively:  I could not agree more... well spoken...  +1 manna

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« Reply #12 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 02:28:08 »
Now the way I see it belief gives us the justification to be sanctified which is done in baptism

Yogi,

Where I agree that baptism is apart of the process of sanctification, I cannot place anymore importance on baptism than I do belief or repentance. I don't think justification happens at the point of baptism for many reasons, for example Cornelius and his men were purified by faith and given the Holy Spirit prior to baptism (Act 10:47, Act 15:9). So justification seems to be placed at the point of faith or belief rather than in the response of that belief in baptism (Act 8:36-37).


Lively:  While faith and repentance is part of the commands we need to do to have salvation, it is in baptism where sins are forgiven.  That is, before baptism, I have faith, I repent, and I confess Christ... yet, I am still not washed from my sins until I am baptized.  It is in baptism my sins are forgiven, and where I put on the righteousness of Jesus Christ... where I am set apart from sinners... sanctified and meet for the master's use.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 18:33:35 »
Now the way I see it belief gives us the justification to be sanctified which is done in baptism

Yogi,

Where I agree that baptism is apart of the process of sanctification, I cannot place anymore importance on baptism than I do belief or repentance. I don't think justification happens at the point of baptism for many reasons, for example Cornelius and his men were purified by faith and given the Holy Spirit prior to baptism (Act 10:47, Act 15:9). So justification seems to be placed at the point of faith or belief rather than in the response of that belief in baptism (Act 8:36-37).


Lively:  While faith and repentance is part of the commands we need to do to have salvation, it is in baptism where sins are forgiven.  That is, before baptism, I have faith, I repent, and I confess Christ... yet, I am still not washed from my sins until I am baptized.  It is in baptism my sins are forgiven, and where I put on the righteousness of Jesus Christ... where I am set apart from sinners... sanctified and meet for the master's use.

I agree that the sinful nature can have faith, repent of sins confess the Christ.  Some don't but scripture says otherwise.  It would sound strange to claim that one can be in a saved state prior to having sins forgiven.  or in a saved state prior to having faith, prior to repenting of those sins that have not been formally forgiven or washed away (on the surface then a wasted repentance and wasted faith.)  I think there is a reason faith and repentance are spoken of far more often than immersion when considering the eternal state of the unsaved.

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« Reply #14 on: Tue Nov 24, 2009 - 22:48:01 »
Now the way I see it belief gives us the justification to be sanctified which is done in baptism

Yogi,

Where I agree that baptism is apart of the process of sanctification, I cannot place anymore importance on baptism than I do belief or repentance. I don't think justification happens at the point of baptism for many reasons, for example Cornelius and his men were purified by faith and given the Holy Spirit prior to baptism (Act 10:47, Act 15:9). So justification seems to be placed at the point of faith or belief rather than in the response of that belief in baptism (Act 8:36-37).


Lively:  While faith and repentance is part of the commands we need to do to have salvation, it is in baptism where sins are forgiven.  That is, before baptism, I have faith, I repent, and I confess Christ... yet, I am still not washed from my sins until I am baptized.  It is in baptism my sins are forgiven, and where I put on the righteousness of Jesus Christ... where I am set apart from sinners... sanctified and meet for the master's use.
Faith is not a command. It might be requirement for something, but not a command. Faith-by-command isn't faith.

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« Reply #15 on: Wed Nov 25, 2009 - 03:18:15 »
Now the way I see it belief gives us the justification to be sanctified which is done in baptism

Yogi,

Where I agree that baptism is apart of the process of sanctification, I cannot place anymore importance on baptism than I do belief or repentance. I don't think justification happens at the point of baptism for many reasons, for example Cornelius and his men were purified by faith and given the Holy Spirit prior to baptism (Act 10:47, Act 15:9). So justification seems to be placed at the point of faith or belief rather than in the response of that belief in baptism (Act 8:36-37).


Lively:  While faith and repentance is part of the commands we need to do to have salvation, it is in baptism where sins are forgiven.  That is, before baptism, I have faith, I repent, and I confess Christ... yet, I am still not washed from my sins until I am baptized.  It is in baptism my sins are forgiven, and where I put on the righteousness of Jesus Christ... where I am set apart from sinners... sanctified and meet for the master's use.
Faith is not a command. It might be requirement for something, but not a command. Faith-by-command isn't faith.

Lively:  I simply view faith as a work we are to work which God has given us to do.  If you do not desire to call having faith a command, but a requirement... well, how can a requirement not be commanded if it is required?  Can you justify not fulfilling that requirement?

Joh 6:29  Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


Are we expected to do that work?


Belief is conditional for salvation... he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved... he that believeth not shall be damned.   and without faith it is impossible to please God...  so while you may believe faith is not a commandment... thou shalt have faith... or I command thee to have faith.  We are taught by God to have faith.  Let us not split hairs, we know we must have faith to please God... and to be saved.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #16 on: Wed Nov 25, 2009 - 18:47:40 »
I have come to believe that Justification is belief in what Christ has done on the cross. God justifies us by providing a way to redeem us to him. When we come to believe that we are justified to become sanctified. God does this through baptism in which he transforms us from death to alive in his spirit which continues to sanctify us to grow and live in the spirit he has given.

So how would this explain Cornelius and gang?
His birth was about as normative as John the Baptist's. ::wink::

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« Reply #17 on: Wed Nov 25, 2009 - 22:16:51 »
Now the way I see it belief gives us the justification to be sanctified which is done in baptism

Yogi,

Where I agree that baptism is apart of the process of sanctification, I cannot place anymore importance on baptism than I do belief or repentance. I don't think justification happens at the point of baptism for many reasons, for example Cornelius and his men were purified by faith and given the Holy Spirit prior to baptism (Act 10:47, Act 15:9). So justification seems to be placed at the point of faith or belief rather than in the response of that belief in baptism (Act 8:36-37).


Lively:  While faith and repentance is part of the commands we need to do to have salvation, it is in baptism where sins are forgiven.  That is, before baptism, I have faith, I repent, and I confess Christ... yet, I am still not washed from my sins until I am baptized.  It is in baptism my sins are forgiven, and where I put on the righteousness of Jesus Christ... where I am set apart from sinners... sanctified and meet for the master's use.
Faith is not a command. It might be requirement for something, but not a command. Faith-by-command isn't faith.

Lively:  I simply view faith as a work we are to work which God has given us to do.  If you do not desire to call having faith a command, but a requirement... well, how can a requirement not be commanded if it is required?  Can you justify not fulfilling that requirement?

Joh 6:29  Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


Are we expected to do that work?


Belief is conditional for salvation... he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved... he that believeth not shall be damned.   and without faith it is impossible to please God...  so while you may believe faith is not a commandment... thou shalt have faith... or I command thee to have faith.  We are taught by God to have faith.  Let us not split hairs, we know we must have faith to please God... and to be saved.
It's quite simple actually. Faith, to be faith, cannot primarily be based on obeying a command. If it is, then there is no "faith" in it, but simply compliance. Much like Muslims invading Spain and requiring Christians to become Muslim. Or Christians entering Jewish areas and demanding Jews to become Christians. That isn't faith, it's self protection and is as shallow as the stay of the stronger party - or the fear of going to Hell.

Faith is an assumed basis for repentence, submission, and transformation and therefore is a necessary ingredient.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed Nov 25, 2009 - 22:26:08 »
your point is good.  I do believe that a major tenet of faith is obedience without question.  course, i assume faith in Him and biblical obedience.

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« Reply #19 on: Sun Nov 29, 2009 - 13:48:57 »
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do you really think it could be that simple?    Me too! ::smile::

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« Reply #20 on: Sun Nov 29, 2009 - 13:50:33 »
The word means, Set apart. By extension, it refers to being set apart for God.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun Nov 29, 2009 - 19:22:51 »
In being set apart (made holy) there is a sense of purification, not just simply "setting aside" that is an important facet to the concept.  Sanctification is being purified and set aside for holy use, and it is an ongoing purification (see 1 John 1 and I Thess. 5:23).  It's core to the biblical use of the word--that we understand there is a spiritual refining going on that is our sanctification.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Jan 28, 2012 - 17:25:04 »
So in what means do we read that this sanctification happens? I mean we know that God does this but do we find scriptures telling us how and when?

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« Reply #23 on: Sat Jan 28, 2012 - 20:51:20 »
So in what means do we read that this sanctification happens? I mean we know that God does this but do we find scriptures telling us how and when?

 Philippians 1:29 NIV

For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him,

Faith itself is given to the believer by God.

 1 Corinthians 6:11 KJV

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Being in the past tense, I believe sanctification happened at the moment of being born again.

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« Reply #24 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 07:04:39 »
LS stated:

Lively:  While faith and repentance is part of the commands we need to do to have salvation, it is in baptism where sins are forgiven.  That is, before baptism, I have faith, I repent, and I confess Christ... yet, I am still not washed from my sins until I am baptized.  It is in baptism my sins are forgiven, and where I put on the righteousness of Jesus Christ... where I am set apart from sinners... sanctified and meet for the master's use.
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Which baptism are you referring to "where sins are forgiven?"

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« Reply #25 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 07:15:19 »
Yogi" "So in what means do we read that this sanctification happens? I mean we know that God does this but do we find scriptures telling us how and when?"

I believe that Sanctification is a process, a growing in grace and knowledge, it is the progressive eradication of sin
and the progressive confirmation to the image of Christ. 1 Thess. 5:23; Eph. 2:10; Ro. 8:29.

Sin remains, but it is not the source of condemnation. Romans 8: 1.
Sin survives, but it does not reign. What was a delightful habit or the accepted norm, now becomes the
humiliating exception. Romans 6:1-11 ( Contrast death 'for' sin and death 'to' sin. )

Keep in mind... the degree of sanctification which one has achieve can never be the test of Justification.
The motive for personal righteousness is the desire to have a living faith and the desire to express gratitude
for justification.

There are denominations that teach the theory of miraculous sanctification or the "Second Work of Grace."
Because the Calvinistic concept of regeneration leads one ( logically ) to expect miraculous sinlessness,
John Wesley et al, offered a second direct miraculous act of the Holy Spirit which they identified with sanctification.
The result was to be the life completely above sin. You may recall, this was/is the belief of Jimmy Swaggart.

God does not grant us miraculous spirituality! He preserves the principle of freedom of the will regarding our
relation to Him. Sanctification must be understood in the light of the character of man's created nature.
It is doubtful that miraculous spirituality is possible.
Keep in mind that Jesus worked physical miracles, but not moral miracles. The latter requires persuasion.

In short, as I understand sanctification, it is the "law of association."
We are conformed to that which dominates our mind. 11 Cor. 3:12-18; Col. 3:16,17; Eph. 5:18,19;26;
Ro. 12:1,2; 11 Thess. 2:13.



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« Reply #26 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 07:36:46 »
Sanctify:  make holy

Justify:  show to be true, right, etc.

Save:  rescue or keep safe, reserve.

Saving:  rescuing; redeeming

Redeem:  pay off, recover, fulfill, deliver from sin by sacrifice

Deliver:  give up, carry and turn over, utter, direct, save, give birth, assist at birth

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Are all of these the same? 

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #28 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 10:34:57 »
2 Timothy 2:25 NIV

Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

Even repentance is granted (a gift) of God.

 1 Corinthians 4:7 NIV

For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

Everything (grace, sanctification, eternal life, faith, forgiveness, love, etc...) is a gift received from God, thus there can be no boasting such as I choose this, or I choose that.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #29 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 15:24:12 »
Yukerboy: "Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,"

Interesting, you are saying there is no need for me to "hear" the word of God?  (Romans 10:17).

Since God is going to "grant repentance" why "hear"?
Would this not be a change of my will without my permission?
You can quote a text in the New Testament where God grants "repentance"?

In its connection with sanctification, repentance is a continuing process in the life of a Christian as he/she
systematically adjusts his will and attitude to reflect his growing knowledge of the Gospel. Romans 12:2.

Repentance is inseparable from true faith and is sometimes used as a synonym for faith in biblical language.
Note Luke 24:47; Acts 5:31.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #30 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 15:38:49 »
Yukerboy: "Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,"

Interesting, you are saying there is no need for me to "hear" the word of God?  (Romans 10:17).

Since God is going to "grant repentance" why "hear"?
Would this not be a change of my will without my permission?
You can quote a text in the New Testament where God grants "repentance"?

In its connection with sanctification, repentance is a continuing process in the life of a Christian as he/she
systematically adjusts his will and attitude to reflect his growing knowledge of the Gospel. Romans 12:2.

Repentance is inseparable from true faith and is sometimes used as a synonym for faith in biblical language.
Note Luke 24:47; Acts 5:31.

Can God grant repentance to one who has not heard the Word of God?  Some say yes, some say no.

God changes the will of man time and again.  If God left man to his will, no one would ne saved.

 Romans 12:2 NIV84

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is–his good, pleasing and perfect will.

One transformation, one renewing, one repents for all time.  No "continual" here.

Repentance and faith are tied together...and both are granted by God.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #31 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 17:56:18 »
2 Timothy 2:25 NIV

Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

Even repentance is granted (a gift) of God.

 1 Corinthians 4:7 NIV

For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

Everything (grace, sanctification, eternal life, faith, forgiveness, love, etc...) is a gift received from God, thus there can be no boasting such as I choose this, or I choose that.



I understand and believe that God is the Creator, but, I'm wondering about your last comment there.  Are you saying that I did not choose to accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour?  That God "moved" upon me and without my "agreeing" to it transplanted a belief in and confession of Jesus Christ?  And that would be described as a Gift?

Seems to me that a gift can certainly be freely offered, but it must by needs be freely accepted as well yes?


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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #32 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 18:42:56 »
2 Timothy 2:25 NIV

Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

Even repentance is granted (a gift) of God.

 1 Corinthians 4:7 NIV

For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

Everything (grace, sanctification, eternal life, faith, forgiveness, love, etc...) is a gift received from God, thus there can be no boasting such as I choose this, or I choose that.



I understand and believe that God is the Creator, but, I'm wondering about your last comment there.  Are you saying that I did not choose to accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour?  That God "moved" upon me and without my "agreeing" to it transplanted a belief in and confession of Jesus Christ?  And that would be described as a Gift?

Seems to me that a gift can certainly be freely offered, but it must by needs be freely accepted as well yes?



No one would freely accept salvation if left to their own free will.  It is God who imputes righteousness, opens hearts, and drags people to salvation.

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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #33 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 19:09:53 »
2 Timothy 2:25 NIV

Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

Even repentance is granted (a gift) of God.

 1 Corinthians 4:7 NIV

For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

Everything (grace, sanctification, eternal life, faith, forgiveness, love, etc...) is a gift received from God, thus there can be no boasting such as I choose this, or I choose that.



I understand and believe that God is the Creator, but, I'm wondering about your last comment there.  Are you saying that I did not choose to accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour?  That God "moved" upon me and without my "agreeing" to it transplanted a belief in and confession of Jesus Christ?  And that would be described as a Gift?

Seems to me that a gift can certainly be freely offered, but it must by needs be freely accepted as well yes?



No one would freely accept salvation if left to their own free will.  It is God who imputes righteousness, opens hearts, and drags people to salvation.

Then, if this is true, how does one clasify such an act as a "Gift?"  Seems to me that it would be better suited to being called a "mandate" would it not?


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Re: What does sanctify mean?
« Reply #34 on: Sun Jan 29, 2012 - 19:46:41 »
2 Timothy 2:25 NIV

Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,

Even repentance is granted (a gift) of God.

 1 Corinthians 4:7 NIV

For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?

Everything (grace, sanctification, eternal life, faith, forgiveness, love, etc...) is a gift received from God, thus there can be no boasting such as I choose this, or I choose that.



I understand and believe that God is the Creator, but, I'm wondering about your last comment there.  Are you saying that I did not choose to accept Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Saviour?  That God "moved" upon me and without my "agreeing" to it transplanted a belief in and confession of Jesus Christ?  And that would be described as a Gift?

Seems to me that a gift can certainly be freely offered, but it must by needs be freely accepted as well yes?



No one would freely accept salvation if left to their own free will.  It is God who imputes righteousness, opens hearts, and drags people to salvation.

Then, if this is true, how does one clasify such an act as a "Gift?"  Seems to me that it would be better suited to being called a "mandate" would it not?



You can look at it that way.  I believe anything God grants me is a gift.