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What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« on: Tue May 17, 2022 - 12:19:12 »
 There are many people that claim ,  that all believers are  NDER  the  NEW  COVENANT  for today ?

 So are under the  NEW  COVENENT ?

 Or is the  BODY OF  CHRIST part of the  NEW  COVENENT ?

 What say you ?

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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #1 on: Tue May 17, 2022 - 13:11:19 »
There are many people that claim ,  that all believers are  NDER  the  NEW  COVENANT  for today ?

 So are under the  NEW  COVENENT ?

 Or is the  BODY OF  CHRIST part of the  NEW  COVENENT ?

 What say you ?


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Dan,
 
Before the others jump here to reply to you with likely long explanations of the New Covenant here is a very simplified explanationfor you to consider.

You ask " Or is the  BODY OF  CHRIST part of the  NEW  COVENENT ?"

My most simplest answer to that it is because of Jesus we have a new covenant. Allow me to explain.

The New Covenant is the promise that God makes with mankind that He will forgive sin and restore communion with those whose hearts believe in His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise. He defeated death by His resurrection and restored life for those who believe in Him.

Now read this carefully for consideration

from: https://www.compellingtruth.org/new-covenant.html

The new covenant – What is it?
Throughout the Bible, God made covenants with His people. Some of those covenants were conditional, like the Mosaic covenant, in which God promised blessings if the people would follow His Law. Others were unconditional, like the promise God made to Abraham to make him a great nation. Problems arose with the Mosaic covenant because the people of Israel were unable to follow the Law. Their hearts were constantly turning away from God and breaking the Law. Because the result of sin is death (Romans 6:23) a new covenant was formed, in which God Himself would fulfill the requirements of the Law and give the people the ability to follow Him in love and obedience (Jeremiah 31:31, 33; Ezekiel 36:26-28).

The most important element of the new covenant is the blood of Jesus Christ. In the Old Testament, blood sacrifices were required for cleansing and atonement when the Law was broken. Under the new covenant, Jesus Christ provided His own body on the cross as a sacrifice that would purify once, for all time, those who had faith (Hebrews 10:10, 14). God proclaimed the first covenant, the Mosaic covenant, as flawed because of the inability of the people to fulfill their part of the deal. Because His love, and His promise to Abraham, superseded the demands of the Mosaic covenant, God did away with the old covenant and made the "new covenant" in Christ's blood (Hebrews 8:8-13). According to the terms of the new covenant, God would forget about the sins of the people, and be merciful towards them. He promised also to put the law into their minds, and write the law on their hearts. This prophecy of Jeremiah looks forward to the coming of the Holy Spirit, who would indwell all who have faith, teaching and helping them to follow the Lord's commands (John 14:26; Psalm 23:3-4; Romans 8:9-11).

Now that the new covenant is in effect, we can receive the gift of salvation and the presence of the Holy Spirit freely, without payment (Ephesians 2:8-9). Everyone who is thirsty is welcomed to come to the water, and he who has no money to pay is encouraged to buy wine and milk without price (Isaiah 55:1-3). Isaiah speaks of God's "steadfast, sure love for David" in conjunction with this promise. Throughout Scripture, it is evident that the covenants work together. The Abrahamic covenant promises that righteousness will come through faith (Galatians 3:6-14; Genesis 15) and the Davidic covenant promises that an eternal King will come from the line of David (2 Samuel 7:16). The Mosaic covenant exists to show us our inability to obey, so that we will know to turn to God for mercy (Galatians 3:23-25). And the New covenant in the blood of Jesus, the Eternal King, provides redemption from sin and freedom from the Mosaic covenant (Hebrews 9:13-15). "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23).

I have a question. Do you or have you at one time belonged to a "Christian" church? If so, this should have been explained to you

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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #2 on: Tue May 17, 2022 - 18:17:21 »
 And what is the NEW  COVENENT  promised to ?

 Was it promised to the  BODY  OF  CHRIST ?

 Was it  promised to  Israel ?

 And what are the promises that NEW  COVENENT will be given after their being  saved in  Rom 11:26 and we seen in that passage that , Jesus will turn ungodliness  from Jacob is just one !!

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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #3 on: Tue May 17, 2022 - 18:44:36 »
Here is the New Covenant:

Look, says the LORD, the days come that I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah.  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which covenant they broke, although I was a husband to them, says the LORD.

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.  And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.  (Jeremiah 31)

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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #4 on: Tue May 17, 2022 - 19:03:23 »
  You did a good job and  Eze 36:16 - 23 explains Israel  SINS  against the  Lord .

Then in in  Eze 25-38  explains what  the  NEW COVENENT really means and that the Lord will sprinkle  clean  water , and give them a  new  heart and put a  new  spirit and to  walk in His  statues and  Israel will dwell in the  land that God gave to their  fathers and that  Israel will be his  people and He shall be your  God .

 This  what the  NEW  COVENENT  entails and  NOT  THE  BODY  OF  CHRIST >

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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #5 on: Tue May 17, 2022 - 19:22:34 »
You did a good job
Thanks, I guess.

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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #6 on: Tue May 17, 2022 - 19:58:48 »
  You did a good job and  Eze 36:16 - 23 explains Israel  SINS  against the  Lord .

Then in in  Eze 25-38  explains what  the  NEW COVENENT really means and that the Lord will sprinkle  clean  water , and give them a  new  heart and put a  new  spirit and to  walk in His  statues and  Israel will dwell in the  land that God gave to their  fathers and that  Israel will be his  people and He shall be your  God .

 This  what the  NEW  COVENENT  entails and  NOT  THE  BODY  OF  CHRIST >

 dan p

But without Christ there would be no new covenant.

Reason:

The New Covenant is the promise that God makes with mankind that He will forgive sin and restore communion with those whose hearts believe in His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise. He defeated death by His resurrection and restored life for those who believe in Him.

If you have no believing faith in Him then you are not under the new covenant
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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #7 on: Thu May 19, 2022 - 13:41:20 »
 And where does the  BODY  OF  CHRIST enter into your last  paragraph ?

 Where is a verse that says without  SAVING  FAITH you are not saved  or be in the  NEW  COVENENT and give  a  verse that I can study that ?

 I believe in  Eph 2:8 , saved by  GRACE , am I wrong ?
 
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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #8 on: Fri May 20, 2022 - 05:07:13 »
By grace through faith.  Grace is universal with God; faith is unique with the individual.

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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #9 on: Fri May 20, 2022 - 07:31:19 »
And where does the  BODY  OF  CHRIST enter into your last  paragraph ?

 Where is a verse that says without  SAVING  FAITH you are not saved  or be in the  NEW  COVENENT and give  a  verse that I can study that ?

 I believe in  Eph 2:8 , saved by  GRACE , am I wrong ?
 
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Dan,

You honestly make things so confusing.

Listen to this very carefully. YOU do not need a body of Christ to be saved. NO one needs a body of Christ to be saved.
Do you, for a single moment believe that the salvation that came upon the Eunich was because of a body of believers?

Open your own bible and go to Acts8: 35-38

“35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.; 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?; 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.; 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” Acts 8:35-38 KJV

And before you jump into but this is all about baptism....... NO IT IS NOT. IT IS ABOUT FAITH.

Eph 2:8 states

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

You are given a gift from God the father, PROVIDED  you have the required faith.

We are sinners who need a Savior and can only be saved by God's grace. We put our faith in Jesus who died on the cross to pay for our sins; and we are brought into relationship with our Creator God. Many acknowledge Jesus was real, but they have no idea they need to embrace what the shed blood of Jesus has offered them.

You have bent over backwards to seek out what you plainly cannot see, or to prove that somehow Jesus, as not being present in every scripture of salvation in the NT proves He is not needed. I am not sure which.

YOU WILL NOT AND CANNOT BE SAVED APART FROM JESUS. PERIOD. AND YOU WILL NOT AND CANNOT BE SAVED IF YOU KEEP LOOKING FOR LOOP HOLES.

The very word Christian... Which comes from Christ... who is Jesus, the Christ.... should be enough.

"WE WALK BY FAITH, NOT BY SIGHT" 2 Corinthians 5:7

You do not need it written in the four corners of the bible you need to believe.

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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #10 on: Fri May 20, 2022 - 13:59:04 »
I just basked a  simple question , WHAT  DOES THE  NEW  COVENENT  mean and the  best verse is in  EZE 36:22-- 38  , explains to me what promises are in the  NEW  COVENENT !1

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Re: What does the NEW COVENANT MEAN?
« Reply #11 on: Fri May 20, 2022 - 14:28:18 »
Dan, your question cannot be answered properly in a few words, yet, maybe it can be summed up using a few words.
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Hebrews 6:13-19~"For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;"
The Abrahamic covenant is nothing more than a revealing of the New Covenant in Christ~per Galatians three, and other scriptures. This Covenant is based on two immutable acts of God~his promises by his free grace and his oath backing those promises providing a surety for man because of the weakness of man's flesh. This covenant his supported by God's faithfulness, NOT MAN'S~In Psalms 89 David break forth and sings of God's faithfulness in this covenant of pure grace

The Old covenant is seen beginning with Adam, then the nation of Israel~it is a covenant based on Man's ability to keep God's commandments. Even though God created Adam upright and gave him all he needed to continue therein, God DID NOT by his power secure man's ability to NOT sin, he left man to the power of his own will and ability to provide eternal life by his own obedience~flesh apart from Divine assistance showed it weakness in sinning as soon as God left Adam and Eve to themselves!

Under the New Covenant, (which started from eternity past, yet revealed beginning in Genesis all the way through the NT) God undertook to provide man with a PERFECT man who had the power to overcome the FLESH, SIN, and the Wicked One in the person of His Holy Son, JESUS CHRIST the second Adam from Heaven! Jeremiah 31 and many other OT promises that mention Judah and Israel are speaking of the elect Jews and elect Gentiles to whom are the promise of God.   

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