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WHAT DOES THE SAVING OF spirit and soul mean ?
« on: Fri May 20, 2022 - 17:43:16 »
 I have  seen that  Paul is the  ONLY  one that speaks 0f the  salvation of  SPIRIT  of  man , 1  Cor 5:5 .

 For we know from  ECC 12:7  that at death , the  spirit on man  returns  back to God that gave it .

 But , the  salvation of the  SOUL is only spoken , in Kingdom  Writing , Heb 10:39 and in  1 Peter 1:9 .

 what say you ?  What is the  difference ?

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Re: WHAT DOES THE SAVING OF spirit and soul mean ?
« Reply #1 on: Fri May 20, 2022 - 20:23:36 »
The meaning of these words is not uniform throughout Scripture.  Paul uses them for different meaning than the other apostles.

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Re: WHAT DOES THE SAVING OF spirit and soul mean ?
« Reply #2 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 17:21:59 »
And I believe that the  answer is  found in  ECC12:7 !!

It  reads , Then  shall the  dust  return to the  earth as it  was and the   spirit  shall  return unto  God who  gave it .

 When an  unbeliever does ,  die  ,  that spirit  from man can  not  come BACK .

 SO , a  believer death as  pictured in  1  Cor 5:5 may  be  saved , when  Christ  is  COMING / PAROUSIA  ,  2  Thess 2:1 to  rescue us at  what  many call  the  rapture ,  BUT  in the  bible , there is  NOT   a  Greek for  rapture , how  about  that .

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Re: WHAT DOES THE SAVING OF spirit and soul mean ?
« Reply #3 on: Tue Jun 21, 2022 - 20:49:35 »
And I believe that the  answer is  found in  ECC12:7 !!

It  reads , Then  shall the  dust  return to the  earth as it  was and the   spirit  shall  return unto  God who  gave it .

 When an  unbeliever does ,  die  ,  that spirit  from man can  not  come BACK .

 SO , a  believer death as  pictured in  1  Cor 5:5 may  be  saved , when  Christ  is  COMING / PAROUSIA  ,  2  Thess 2:1 to  rescue us at  what  many call  the  rapture ,  BUT  in the  bible , there is  NOT   a  Greek for  rapture , how  about  that .

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I see that it's time for the part where we discuss how hazardous it is to form doctrine from verses plucked from Ecclesiastes...

You must consider context before quoting Ecclesiastes as an authoritative statement on HOW THINGS ARE.  There are many STATEMENTS in the book of Ecclesiastes that I would consider to be UNTRUE.  Almost all of the book is written as a narrative, and that is the narrative of a sophist who has come to the end of his sophistry and discovered that it's not worth a plugged nickel, because in his own power he can accomplish 0% of what God can accomplish through him at his most foolish.

Consider the doctrines we can deduce from Ecclesiastes when we take verses out of this context:

1) Nothing we do really matters

"Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless."
"I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind."

2) All activity is merely a burden from God.

"All things are wearisome, more than one can say."
"What does the worker gain from his toil? I have seen the burden God has laid on men. "

3) Wisdom is not superior to foolishness

"The wise man has eyes in his head, while the fool walks in the darkness; but I came to realize that the same fate overtakes them both.  The fate of the fool will overtake me also. What then do I gain by being wise? This too is meaningless."

4) Men are not superior to the animals in any regard

"Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath [fn]; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless."

5) We would be better off if we had never been born.

"I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive.  But better than both is he who has not yet been, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun."

Suffice it to say that this book sets forth an example for us of the futility of human existence APART FROM GOD.  As you read it, you should not think, "This is how things are and how God has made them."  You should think, "There but for the grace of God go I."

For this verse in particular, you should not taken it as 'God said this.'  You should take it as 'Solomon gave this as an example of worldly-wisdom, for the purpose of afterwards poo-poo-ing all worldly-wisdom.'  ::lookaround::

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Re: WHAT DOES THE SAVING OF spirit and soul mean ?
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Re: WHAT DOES THE SAVING OF spirit and soul mean ?
« Reply #4 on: Sat Jul 02, 2022 - 18:15:59 »
 And you are  talking  like  what  Paul  said in  1  Cor 15:32 , If  the  dead re  not  being  RAISED , we  should  EAT  and  we  should  DRINK  , for   TOMORROW  WE DIE and you are  spreading a  lot  of  HOPE !!

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Re: WHAT DOES THE SAVING OF spirit and soul mean ?
« Reply #5 on: Sun Jul 03, 2022 - 08:53:05 »
When the spirit and or breath of God is united with the body, one becomes a living soul. The saved shall have their spirits reunited with their new spiritual bodies unto eternal life, at the resurrection of life. The wicked will have their spirits reunited with their mortal bodies again at the resurrection of damnation. At which time they will face the execution of their judgment by God, and be cast into the lake of fire. Where they will die the second death, body, spirit, and soul. They shall be no more. Just as their leader.

Eze 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

 

     
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