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WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
« on: Wed Nov 11, 2009 - 01:55:30 »
" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "

I mean obviously we all eventually die, so maybe perish means something else? I looked it up and it has destruction as one of the meanings. But how are you suposed to know which meaning is the correct one??

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WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
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" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "

I mean obviously we all eventually die, so maybe perish means something else? I looked it up and it has destruction as one of the meanings. But how are you suposed to know which meaning is the correct one??

What is death to the Lord? what is perish to the Lord when it comes to man? to perish and die in God's word for man is a eternal death.         example

Mt 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy
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members should perish,
and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mt 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mt 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

Mt 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

same event, same scene

hell =everlasting fire
perish=cast out

death eternally

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Re: WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
« Reply #2 on: Wed Nov 11, 2009 - 05:49:59 »
WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?

It means die.

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Re: WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
« Reply #3 on: Wed Nov 11, 2009 - 06:06:48 »
The best definition of perish means to be 'lost'.

This is the passage you quoted translated...

" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not be lost, but have age-abiding life. "

God doesn't want anyone lost in this life, or held captive all their lives by sin or the fear of death.




I will now quote from this source - http://www.tentmaker.org/FAQ/perish.htm


Whenever you see Jesus use a word such as “perish

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« Reply #4 on: Wed Nov 11, 2009 - 08:52:05 »
Perish comes from the greek word, Apollumi which means, "to destroy to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin, to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed"

The Bible speaks of this abolishing or destruction in Rev:

11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Thus if you believe, you will not perish by beging thrown into the lake of fire.  The lake of fire is death of the soul.  That is, the individual will be completely destroyed and cease to exist.

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KP

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Re: WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
« Reply #5 on: Wed Nov 11, 2009 - 08:55:56 »
Perish comes from the greek word, Apollumi which means, "to destroy to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin, to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed"

The Bible speaks of this abolishing or destruction in Rev:

11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Thus if you believe, you will not perish by beging thrown into the lake of fire.  The lake of fire is death of the soul.  That is, the individual will be completely destroyed and cease to exist.

In Christ,
KP

what source did you get this from?

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Nov 11, 2009 - 11:15:57 »
My Bible, my concordance and my Greek dictionary.

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Re: WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
« Reply #7 on: Wed Nov 11, 2009 - 11:20:57 »
Perish comes from the greek word, Apollumi which means, "to destroy to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin, to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed"

The Bible speaks of this abolishing or destruction in Rev:

11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Thus if you believe, you will not perish by beging thrown into the lake of fire.  The lake of fire is death of the soul.  That is, the individual will be completely destroyed and cease to exist.

In Christ,
KP

Where does the Bible say the lake of fire is the death of the soul?
And where does the Bible say that the individual will be completely destroyed and cease to exist?
Do you know what a soul is?
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Re: WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
« Reply #8 on: Wed Nov 11, 2009 - 22:21:21 »
Well it is guaranteed that we will all eventually die. So wouldnt the lake of fire line of thought make sense purely from a logical POV? Why would John say we "should not perish" if everyone dies eventually, even John? unless perish means something different than physical death?
I realize that Bible says at times that we "fall asleep" or something like that, but really,what is the difference? Seems like different words describing the same thing. I mean what is the physical difference between when a believer dies vs a nonbeliever?

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Re: WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
« Reply #9 on: Thu Nov 12, 2009 - 10:31:58 »
" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "

I mean obviously we all eventually die, so maybe perish means something else? I looked it up and it has destruction as one of the meanings. But how are you suposed to know which meaning is the correct one??



In this case, the definition of "perish" is made by the second part of that same verse.  "BUT" have everlasting life.  Therefore, one can safely conclude that "perish" is the opposite of "everlasting life", i.e., everlasting destruction.  (Not perpetual destruction, but everlasting destruction, destruction that cannot be undone).


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Re: WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
« Reply #10 on: Thu Nov 12, 2009 - 10:42:09 »
It's significant to note that apollumi is in the middle voice.  "The idea is not extinction but ruin, loss, not of being, but of wellbeing." (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words).  I believe it's meant to signify the concept of a "Waisted Life".  Jesus came to give us Abundant Life, a life filled with love, joy, peace, self-control, the reign of God, etc.; but if we reject Him and follow the lusts of our flesh, then our life will be a tragic waste!  And when we stand in judgment, all the wood, hay, and stubble will be burnt up.  And oh what a terrible day that will be - looking back on a wasted life, even worse a life that promoted the waste of other lives too!  Judgment is a terrible thing, especially in the light of the sacrifice of Christ (the Lamb) and the provision of God (the angels)!

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Nov 12, 2009 - 11:32:48 »
Concerning Rev. 20:15, commonly translated "And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."  The Greek word "tis" is what is translated here as "anyone", but "tis" is an "enclitic indefinite pronoun" (Enhanced Strong's Lexicon) and does not necessarily mean "any person"; it very well can be interpreted as "any thing".  And considering that the focus of the Judgment was everone's "works" (v.13), it seems that the bad works, those that did not promote Life, were what was burnt up in the LOF.  And we know from Paul's teaching that even believer's works that are not lasting (wood, hay, stubble) shall be burnt up by God's judgment, and only what is lasting (precious metals) shall endure the fire.

It's also important to recall that both fire and brimstone were used in purification.  In fact, brimstone, sulfur, was burnt as an incense for spiritual purification and even physical healing by the Greeks and Romans.  And of course, Rev.14.10, notes that the LOF is in the presence of the Lamb and the presence of the angels - a blast furnace of the truth of the sacrifice of Christ and the provision of God!  In this light, anything selfish, much less evil, we've done is burnt up!

Also, I believe it's important to base theology predominantly on passages that are not so metaphorical.  In other words, such metaphorical language is meant to illustrate truth, not establish truth.

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Re: WHat does word "perish" mean in John 3:16?
« Reply #12 on: Thu Nov 12, 2009 - 12:06:07 »
" For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "

I mean obviously we all eventually die, so maybe perish means something else? I looked it up and it has destruction as one of the meanings. But how are you suposed to know which meaning is the correct one??

We all interpret this through the filter of other theological beliefs.  In other words, those who believe that not all will be saved but believe in the certainty of damnation for some/most of humanity will interpret perish to mean Hell.  Those who believe that some will be annihilated, will interpret perish as annihilation.  Those who believe that all will be saved because of the Sacrifice of Christ will interpret perish to mean death and destruction in this life and even remedial punishment in the life to come.

How do you know which to believe?  Pray, asking God for wisdom and insight, and study until you come to your own personal conviction on the matter.  As for myself, I believe it speaks of ruin in this life and remedial punishment in the life to come. 

"Trust in the Lord with all of your heart and lean not on your own understanding.  Acknowledge Him in all your ways, and He'll make your path straight!"   I trust in the Lord to guide me/us into Truth; I do not trust in my own understanding recognizing that I could be wrong.  Don't fear, but trust the Lord!

Blessings,
Sherman

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I looked it up and it has destruction as one of the meanings. But how are you suposed to know which meaning is the correct one???



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« Reply #14 on: Fri Apr 22, 2016 - 09:50:29 »
It is really a very simple matter. There is no rocket science involved here. Those who translated the many versions of scripture knew what the word perish means when they used it so many times. The problem is not that so many conclusive statements in scripture are really so profoundly obscure, the problem is that such scriptures contradict what so very many choose to believe. Therefore, the obvious meaning of said scriptures must be obscured and or confounded by those who do not wish to accept what they plainly say and teach. "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when at first we plan to deceive", or something like that. This is all about the perpetuation of the very first lie spoken to humanity by the Devil Himself.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.