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« on: November 06, 2009, 12:39:37 AM »

One of the things that I truly enjoyed about AA meetings was that at the beginning of almost every meeting someone would read a short section that clearly stated the primary purpose for the meeting.  Most days I think it would be beneficial if the Church would do the same thing.

So... If you were asked to write out a short paragragh clearly stating what the prmary purpose of the Churc gathering together what would it say and what Scriptural text can you offer to support your statement of the primary purpose.

Just to clarify, I'm asking what is Chuch's purpose in having a meeting, not what is the individuals reason for attending.  AND I'm only talking about the 1 - 2 hour time period when the Church is actually meeting together, not the over riding purpose of the Chuch.

What's the primary point of meeting together and why?  Pondering
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2009, 12:55:15 AM »

The purpose of the church meeting is to maintain the culture and tradition of the community and to reinforce the social hierarchy and power structure of the religious institution. The only routine behaviors that are possibly biblical about it is the vague concept of teaching and the vague concept of gathering together. Otherwise most of the predictable ritual of the church service is human-engineered tradition regardless of how elaborate or simplistic it is.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2009, 03:31:30 AM »

Because I love my Lord, I want to be with others that love Him also.

Matthew 18:20  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Breaking bread, edification, fellowship, praising, praying, and preaching. Different members have different gifts of the Holy Spirit to build us up.

1 Corinthians 14:26  How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

1 Timothy 2:7  Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

1 Corinthians 1:9  God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
  
Hebrews 10:25  Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
  
Acts 13:44  - -  to hear the word of God.

Acts 20:7  And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Matthew 18:20  For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 03:45:08 AM »

There's no question that a lot of good things are fulfilled in "church services," odd as they may be with compared to any structure shown in the word.

You can see it as an agreed-upon time for worshiping the Lord with the gathering, and hopefully prayer, if nothing else. (meaning, even if there are radical disagreements within a congregation)
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 12:01:54 PM »

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What's the primary point of meeting together and why?  Pondering

to learn about God and how to serve him!!! no other reason!!!

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Eccl 12:9 And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs.

10: The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth.

11: The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.

Jer 3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

Jn 21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2009, 03:13:51 PM »

I think the purpose for religious liturgy is to make self feel good.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 03:30:54 PM »

One of the things that I truly enjoyed about AA meetings was that at the beginning of almost every meeting someone would read a short section that clearly stated the primary purpose for the meeting.  Most days I think it would be beneficial if the Church would do the same thing.

So... If you were asked to write out a short paragragh clearly stating what the prmary purpose of the Churc gathering together what would it say and what Scriptural text can you offer to support your statement of the primary purpose.

Just to clarify, I'm asking what is Chuch's purpose in having a meeting, not what is the individuals reason for attending.  AND I'm only talking about the 1 - 2 hour time period when the Church is actually meeting together, not the over riding purpose of the Chuch.

What's the primary point of meeting together and why?  Pondering

An interesting thought.  I'll give it a whack!

We are gathered here today to:
1. Corporately worship God Most High and experience His Glory
2. Share publicly the Good News
3. Encourage and strengthen one another in the Lord.
4. Provide a time for the expression of various spiritual gifts
5. Learn together and from one another how to live as Christ-followers.
6. Partake of communion as a means of grace.
7. Corporately seek God -- his wisdom, grace, healing, and provision.

Well, that's a start anyhow.  Thanks for the question; it sparked some interesting thoughts.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 03:34:44 PM »

Keeping the institute and the Alpha Male affirmed and fed is the meaning of RELIGION.

The Christian system was established in the Wolderness: it was called the Qahal or synagogue.
It had only one function: to Rest (from religion) to Read the Word and to REHEARSE IT. The intentionw as that people assembled to learn whatever text it is that they believe teaches great values.

Jesus stood up in the synagogue to read a preselected portion and then decently sat down. That allowed discussion or even challenge.

That is how Paul defined the ekklesia / synagogue and it took almost 400 years for preachers and singers to gain a ROLE.

In the synagogue a school boy could read the text and the elder or overseer literally watched him that he did not add any material.  Under the Law of Moses and the national government it was important to learn how the civil law worked.  It was also to protect the weak from the rich.

If a church existed it would be known as a School of the Bible and worship would consist of reading musing the Word: that is how the Campbells defined the church as a way to enable community gatherings devoid of personal diversities which Paul condemned in Romans 15.

Whatever else a church does was always done in earlier society by guilds to primarily look out for the poor and as a mutual aid society.  Thomas Campbell called it a SOCIETY.  It is really hard to keep the SOCIETY separated from the BIBLE SCHOOL.  Paul warned about those in Corinth who jumped into the early churches and demanded pay for their rhetoric or sorcery. 

Paul used the "synagogue" word and it had no praise service or performing roles. His unique worship word meant to give heed or attention to "that which is written." If the church does not teach that which Christ taught it has no right to call itself "Christian."  It is just another religion which is a bad word.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 07:57:25 PM »

I thought we got together to give our money it seems we never forget the money tray
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 08:23:12 PM »

One of the things that I truly enjoyed about AA meetings was that at the beginning of almost every meeting someone would read a short section that clearly stated the primary purpose for the meeting.  Most days I think it would be beneficial if the Church would do the same thing.

So... If you were asked to write out a short paragragh clearly stating what the prmary purpose of the Churc gathering together what would it say and what Scriptural text can you offer to support your statement of the primary purpose.

Just to clarify, I'm asking what is Chuch's purpose in having a meeting, not what is the individuals reason for attending.  AND I'm only talking about the 1 - 2 hour time period when the Church is actually meeting together, not the over riding purpose of the Chuch.

What's the primary point of meeting together and why?  Pondering



How that question is answered will greatly depend on what is thought to be THE PURPOSE OF THE CHURCH.  In my thinking the church is not so much the means of God doing His work in this world as what it is the fruit of God's work in persons and groups.


I find it significant that through Acts and the epistles there is never a mention of the purpose of Believers assembling to be for "worship".  Worship is fine and a normal part of the life of Faith, yet the account in Acts and the epistles never restricts worship to a particular place and time.  It's also apparent that the assembly of Believers was never said to be for "evangelism."
 
What I do see in Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, especially from chapt. 12-14 is that, first of all, Christ is not like the dumb idols by which they used to be led astray, but rather Christ speaks to His people through the various spiritual gifts which He has given to His body for the common good.  (12:1-11) 
 
We all are the body of Christ, and each of us is a member of it with our own particular function--for the common good. (12:12-31) 
 
The operating dynamic of our spiritual functioning is Love.  (chapt. 13)
 
So, we are to eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially prophecy.  When we are gathered we are to bring some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction so that all may be edified.  Try to excel in gifts that build up the church.  "When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church."  (chapt. 14)
 
I see that the purpose of the assembly is for hearing from/of the Lord which is for the mutual edification and maturation of the body.  That is certainly one aspect of our "spiritual act of worship".   In this, the gathering of the saints is ALL about Him leading us.  The focus is off any one individual, except HIM.  "Mutual edification" means that all Believers are mutually responsible for speaking and presenting Christ to one another and to the world.  This is not the purview of "specialist".

The Lord's Supper in its simplicity possesses as much mystery as Christ Himself.  The Lord's Supper was central in the meetings.  In it, the Lord is re-membered ("re" - again; "membered" -- parts, thus, the individual "parts" [members of His Body] are brought together again.)
 
 
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 08:53:49 PM »

Thanks for the replies so far ya'll I appreciate them.

God asked me this question several years ago and I in turn have been asking others.  Does it seem weird to anyone else that we(Christians) have written literally tons of books on the 'tough' questions and yet seem to have missed this one totally.  I think it's a very important question cause Paul makes it abundantly clear that we are not to skip meeting together.  Must be something going on that's important.

In trying to come up with my answer I initially decided whatever it was that was supposed to be going on was something I couldn't do alone.  Otherwise I could just stay home and do it.

In looking back over the Hebrews passage I came to a quick discovery, humans suffer from a bad memory.  And with that bad memory comes a TREMENDOUS risk of falling away.  It wouldn't happen overnight, but given time and being alone we are vulnerable to drifting away.

So my opening statement would be something along the lines of;  "We are gathered together to remind one another of the great hope we have in Jesus Christ".  How exactly we do this is up to each individual, but if followed outward there is truth to the idea that my ultimate salvation depends on who I choose to meet together with.  Brothers & Sisters in the Lord aren't just nice, our very life may depend on them.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2009, 03:52:46 AM »

example:

Ex 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.



Ex 14:15 And the LORD said unto Moses, Wherefore criest thou unto me?  speak unto the children of Israel, that they go forward:

Ex 25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering.

Ex 30:31 And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, This shall be an holy anointing oil unto me throughout your generations.


Lev 18:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.

Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

tHE LORD SAID TEACH ABOUT HIM AND HIS WAYS. The Lord tell those who sit in Moses seat to speak unto the people.

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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2009, 03:55:00 AM »

Lets see how Paul did it in the NT

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Acts 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

Paul taught what Moses and the Prophets said about Jesus

We go to church to learn about God

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Jn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2009, 08:17:24 PM »

So does anyone have a response to this simple and yet terribly important question?
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2009, 10:25:08 PM »

The purpose of the church meeting is to maintain the culture and tradition of the community and to reinforce the social hierarchy and power structure of the religious institution. The only routine behaviors that are possibly biblical about it is the vague concept of teaching and the vague concept of gathering together. Otherwise most of the predictable ritual of the church service is human-engineered tradition regardless of how elaborate or simplistic it is.

 Smile  Am I correct in assuming that you are an atheist?   Pondering

So does anyone have a response to this simple and yet terribly important question?

Looks like you recived a number of them Dayvd.  Personally, I believe we meet together for fellowship and to learn the Word of God to strengthen us in our daily Christian walk.
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39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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