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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2009, 11:40:22 PM »

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God asked me this question several years ago ...



God spoke to you??  And He asked you "What is the point of holding Church services?"

 Scratching head....a little confused.

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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2009, 05:26:51 AM »

One of the things that I truly enjoyed about AA meetings was that at the beginning of almost every meeting someone would read a short section that clearly stated the primary purpose for the meeting.  Most days I think it would be beneficial if the Church would do the same thing.

So... If you were asked to write out a short paragragh clearly stating what the prmary purpose of the Churc gathering together what would it say and what Scriptural text can you offer to support your statement of the primary purpose.

Just to clarify, I'm asking what is Chuch's purpose in having a meeting, not what is the individuals reason for attending.  AND I'm only talking about the 1 - 2 hour time period when the Church is actually meeting together, not the over riding purpose of the Chuch.

What's the primary point of meeting together and why?  Pondering



How that question is answered will greatly depend on what is thought to be THE PURPOSE OF THE CHURCH.  In my thinking the church is not so much the means of God doing His work in this world as what it is the fruit of God's work in persons and groups.


I find it significant that through Acts and the epistles there is never a mention of the purpose of Believers assembling to be for "worship".  Worship is fine and a normal part of the life of Faith, yet the account in Acts and the epistles never restricts worship to a particular place and time.  It's also apparent that the assembly of Believers was never said to be for "evangelism."
 
What I do see in Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, especially from chapt. 12-14 is that, first of all, Christ is not like the dumb idols by which they used to be led astray, but rather Christ speaks to His people through the various spiritual gifts which He has given to His body for the common good.  (12:1-11) 
 
We all are the body of Christ, and each of us is a member of it with our own particular function--for the common good. (12:12-31) 
 
The operating dynamic of our spiritual functioning is Love.  (chapt. 13)
 
So, we are to eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially prophecy.  When we are gathered we are to bring some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction so that all may be edified.  Try to excel in gifts that build up the church.  "When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church."  (chapt. 14)
 
I see that the purpose of the assembly is for hearing from/of the Lord which is for the mutual edification and maturation of the body.  That is certainly one aspect of our "spiritual act of worship".   In this, the gathering of the saints is ALL about Him leading us.  The focus is off any one individual, except HIM.  "Mutual edification" means that all Believers are mutually responsible for speaking and presenting Christ to one another and to the world.  This is not the purview of "specialist".

The Lord's Supper in its simplicity possesses as much mystery as Christ Himself.  The Lord's Supper was central in the meetings.  In it, the Lord is re-membered ("re" - again; "membered" -- parts, thus, the individual "parts" [members of His Body] are brought together again.)
 
 
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A very thought provoking post Volkmar.
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2009, 11:04:23 AM »

One of the things that I truly enjoyed about AA meetings was that at the beginning of almost every meeting someone would read a short section that clearly stated the primary purpose for the meeting.  Most days I think it would be beneficial if the Church would do the same thing.

So... If you were asked to write out a short paragragh clearly stating what the prmary purpose of the Churc gathering together what would it say and what Scriptural text can you offer to support your statement of the primary purpose.

Just to clarify, I'm asking what is Chuch's purpose in having a meeting, not what is the individuals reason for attending.  AND I'm only talking about the 1 - 2 hour time period when the Church is actually meeting together, not the over riding purpose of the Chuch.

What's the primary point of meeting together and why?  Pondering

Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.  Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.  For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.  Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.  This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”  (Jn 6:53-58)

Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”  And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you. (Lk 22:19-20).

They devoted themselves to the teaching of the apostles and to the communal life, to the breaking of the bread and to the prayers (Acts 2:42)
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2009, 02:17:59 PM »

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The Lord's Supper in its simplicity possesses as much mystery as Christ Himself.  The Lord's Supper was central in the meetings.  In it, the Lord is re-membered ("re" - again; "membered" -- parts, thus, the individual "parts" [members of His Body] are brought together again.)
 
 
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Excellent.

Makes the "do not disregard the Body" and the "forsaking of the assembly" even more powerful statements.

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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2009, 05:14:44 PM »

Heb 10:23  Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
Heb 10:24  And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25  Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

This is what the assembling should be and the church is not four walls, but the gathering of the congregation with Christ being the center of the gathering. The purpose is for learning Gods word through the Holy Spirit using others to teach us through the various gifts he gives all of us for the purpose of His ministry. The works we continue in through Christ are done outside the assembling to meet the needs of those within this world.

With so many different religions in the world today how can a person be sure of what they are being taught and how did all these different religions come to be! The foundations most religions are based on is God, but mans misinterpretations of what God spoke is what has led so many into confusion and division, which is what 2 Thessalonians 2:3 calls the falling away, which means falling away from truth or what God spoke to man through his prophets.

As you can see in all the scriptures from Genesis chapter one to chapter twelve there is no mention of God creating any form of religion. We see God making a covenant with his people and how even after the covenant promises God made to Noah and to Abraham and his seed how man still turned away from God unto their own imaginations.

The assembling should be for worshiping God through learning His word, giving praise and glory to His name and lifting up and edifying one another through prayer and laying on of hands. I personally do not attend any formal so called church setting as I have been in many churches that have never helped me grow Spirituality and put more emphasis on the emotionalism of the moment more than the teaching of Gods word. My husband and I attend a weekly Bible study that meets in all our homes and with this we all get a chance to be involved in teaching and using the gifts that God has given to us through His Spirit which leads us into the deep Spiritual things of the word of God. The works we all do for others are done to bring glory and honor to Jesus as he helps us meet the needs of others in our communities.

Every Pastor should start out their service with a welcoming greeting that even a homeless person would feel comfortable with walking through the door no matter how they look. Then he/she should say we are gathered here today in the presence of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to give Him praise and glory for the word he is going to share with us through His Spirit that we all might come into all truths of His glorious word. 
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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2009, 07:12:28 PM »

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So does anyone have a response to this simple and yet terribly important question?

Looks like you recived a number of them Dayvd.  Personally, I believe we meet together for fellowship and to learn the Word of God to strengthen us in our daily Christian walk.

True I have and probably should be content with the # of answers I have recieved.  But... lol
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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2009, 07:16:20 PM »

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God asked me this question several years ago ...



God spoke to you??  And He asked you "What is the point of holding Church services?"

 Scratching head....a little confused.



Yes.  It's not the first time I've been asked and it tends to make me search out the answer.
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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2009, 07:31:02 PM »

Honestly I disagree with those who believe that learning/teaching is to be the focus of what we are to be doing when we meet.  So let me ask a qustion and maybe I can better understand your reasoning.  Heb. 10 contains the verse that is so often used to exhort others to not give up meeting together.  One of the questions I asked myself years ago was, what is supposed to be going on that would make Paul say such a thing and figured that the answer was probably in that chapter.  Otherwise it's simply a throw-away statement that's not related in context to what he's been saying.  I don't believe that so the reason/purpose simply must be in that section.  So where do ya'll see learning/teaching?
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2009, 07:37:36 PM »

  To taste and see that the Lord is good.
to taste and see Gods forgivness of my sins in Christ.
To taste and see Gods grace  alone in Christ alone.

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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2009, 07:44:46 PM »

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How that question is answered will greatly depend on what is thought to be THE PURPOSE OF THE CHURCH.  In my thinking the church is not so much the means of God doing His work in this world as what it is the fruit of God's work in persons and groups.


I find it significant that through Acts and the epistles there is never a mention of the purpose of Believers assembling to be for "worship".  Worship is fine and a normal part of the life of Faith, yet the account in Acts and the epistles never restricts worship to a particular place and time.  It's also apparent that the assembly of Believers was never said to be for "evangelism."
 
What I do see in Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, especially from chapt. 12-14 is that, first of all, Christ is not like the dumb idols by which they used to be led astray, but rather Christ speaks to His people through the various spiritual gifts which He has given to His body for the common good.  (12:1-11) 
 
We all are the body of Christ, and each of us is a member of it with our own particular function--for the common good. (12:12-31) 
 
The operating dynamic of our spiritual functioning is Love.  (chapt. 13)
 
So, we are to eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially prophecy.  When we are gathered we are to bring some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction so that all may be edified.  Try to excel in gifts that build up the church.  "When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church."  (chapt. 14)
 
I see that the purpose of the assembly is for hearing from/of the Lord which is for the mutual edification and maturation of the body.  That is certainly one aspect of our "spiritual act of worship".   In this, the gathering of the saints is ALL about Him leading us.  The focus is off any one individual, except HIM.  "Mutual edification" means that all Believers are mutually responsible for speaking and presenting Christ to one another and to the world.  This is not the purview of "specialist".

The Lord's Supper in its simplicity possesses as much mystery as Christ Himself.  The Lord's Supper was central in the meetings.  In it, the Lord is re-membered ("re" - again; "membered" -- parts, thus, the individual "parts" [members of His Body] are brought together again.)
 
 
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this really is quite close I think to what I believe.  I'm not so sure about the maturation part tho and probably replace it with strengthening.  Not so much growing into new as much as being absolutly sure.  I agree the Lords Supper is about remembering and it amazed me the number of times Paul wrote to remind.  It's not so much that humans are stoopid as much as it is we have a terrible memory.  :)
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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2009, 08:01:21 PM »

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:25 (KJV)
building one another up / strengthening one another in the faith / teaching

 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Acts 2:42 (KJV)  
same as above but also the breaking of bread (Lords supper)

When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
1 Cor 11:20 (KJV)
See here the coming together is for the Lords supper but they did it in vain and was rebuked for they way they did it.

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1 Cor 14:26 (KJV)
Here we see that we come together to learn from the word. To teach each other to be strong in the faith. Edify on another.

So the reason of the assembly is to partake of the Lords supper, to teach the faith as has been delivered by the Apostles of Christ, and continue in prayer. To edify on another and build each other up in the faith until the Lord returns for us.

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2009, 08:12:17 PM »

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
Heb 10:25 (KJV)
building one another up / strengthening one another in the faith / teaching

I appreciate the quick response Bill.

I understood that section of scripture to be saying that we should exhort those who are skipping services to attend and even more as we see the end drawing nearer.  Not that that we are to exhort one another during the services.

What reasons do you have for seeing it the way you do?
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2009, 08:35:03 PM »

Okay yea I see what you are saying but I combined it with why one should assemble that is what I thought the thread was about. Yes we need to get us that are skipping to return but what is the reason we need them there? What good is there to attend? what does it benefit one to assemble? is that not what the thread is dealing with?

Maybe I missed the point of this thread if so excuse me and carry on.
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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2009, 09:33:08 PM »

Okay yea I see what you are saying but I combined it with why one should assemble that is what I thought the thread was about. Yes we need to get us that are skipping to return but what is the reason we need them there? What good is there to attend? what does it benefit one to assemble? is that not what the thread is dealing with?

Maybe I missed the point of this thread if so excuse me and carry on.


Indeed that is the question of the thread.  I guess what I was asking some is why go to other sections of the Bible when the answer(to me anyway) is in the same area where the statement not to forsake is made?

It appears to me there is great risk in forgetting where our hope/faith should be and that considering one another to provoke to love and good works is the answer to our bad memories.

Heb 10:23  Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
Heb 10:24  And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25  Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2009, 09:36:27 PM »

Gotcha Bro.
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