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what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« on: December 11, 2012, 05:29:58 PM »
Just what does it mean not everyone who cry's lord lord will be saved. Does this mean some who believe are not with him, Does it mean those who keep sinning even though they believe. Are these people who new Jesus and fell out  grace? if possible. Isn't it said that who ever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved i thought i read that some where. Who are those who cry lord lord?

I ask because i can not seem to stop sinning i fought real hard only to given in greater. I know i am not saved by the law, but seek to be delivered from this sin, It breaks my heart, I have cried and fought. I see i am starting to change but it can not happen fast enough. Am i one who cries lord lord?

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 06:45:27 PM »
Jesus prefaces those words with a warning about false prophets. They profess to be servants of his, but their deeds tell a different story. "By their fruits you will know them". It seems to me that Jesus is speaking of the same type of teachers that other NT writers warned us of: those who would gain a following to feed their ego, those who teach to get rich, those who would seduce their women follower's, etc. Such teachers may think they are doing much for the Lord, but they are in reality working against God.

Having said that, it is still extremely important to live the life you were called to live. Know that God is looking down on you with His approval even though you still commit sin. He will not turn against you unless you, thinking He is impossible to please, give up and turn against Him.

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Re: what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2012, 06:49:41 PM »
Jesus prefaces those words with a warning about false prophets. They profess to be servants of his, but their deeds tell a different story. "By their fruits you will know them". It seems to me that Jesus is speaking of the same type of teachers that other NT writers warned us of: those who would gain a following to feed their ego, those who teach to get rich, those who would seduce their women follower's, etc. Such teachers may think they are doing much for the Lord, but they are in reality working against God.

Having said that, it is still extremely important to live the life you were called to live. Know that God is looking down on you with His approval even though you still commit sin. He will not turn against you unless you, thinking He is impossible to please, give up and turn against Him.

Thank you so much, so its a warning to false prophets and not to the children of God, that we could some how not be saved. this helps thank you thank you

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Re: what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2012, 07:13:12 PM »
Just what does it mean not everyone who cry's lord lord will be saved. Does this mean some who believe are not with him, Does it mean those who keep sinning even though they believe. Are these people who new Jesus and fell out  grace? if possible. Isn't it said that who ever calls on the name of the lord shall be saved i thought i read that some where. Who are those who cry lord lord?

I ask because i can not seem to stop sinning i fought real hard only to given in greater. I know i am not saved by the law, but seek to be delivered from this sin, It breaks my heart, I have cried and fought. I see i am starting to change but it can not happen fast enough. Am i one who cries lord lord?

Surely you have met people who claim to be Christians but are not. These are cultural or nominal Christians who claim Christ but have not truly received Him. They may do the works of Christ, but their hearts are far from Him and they have not undergone a spiritual rebirth. They are merely religious and follow some sort of religious dogma, but do not have a personal relationship with Jesus.

We rub shoulders with them nearly every day.

2 Timothy 3:5
having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away

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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2012, 07:37:20 PM »
The way I read it is people will do the works of the Lord, (prophecy, cast out demons, etc.) but have no relationship with the Lord, thus Him saying "I never knew you".

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 07:40:15 PM »
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:23

The verse you referred to is Matthew 7:21.

The Lord professes unto them, I never knew you.

So that means it can not be about saving faith gone sour.

In John 6:27 the Lord says: him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.


That being said, I definitely encourage you to overcome whatever sin you struggle with.
But I think it´s easier with your helmet of salvation on. ::smile::

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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2012, 07:55:48 PM »
Jesus said you will only enter the Heavenly Kingdom if you are born of: (John 3:5)

1) Water
2) Spirit (Holy Ghost)

The water is a symbol of cleansing and therefore for a Christian it happens when we are baptized by water into Christ and are justified by the Grace of God.

What does to be justified mean:

Justification (Gift of God)
In Christian theology, is God's act of removing the guilt and penalty of sin while at the same time declaring a sinner righteous through Christ's atoning sacrifice. The righteousness of Christ is credited/imputed/counted to the sinner's account through FAITH ALONE in Christ alone.

This is the part where we are CALLED by MAN to CHRIST through the preaching of the gospel. (The Great Commission started by the disciples and apostles of Christ)

The second part of salvation is the purging by FIRE of the old carnal minded man of flesh to a spiritually minded saint who is moulded into the personage of Jesus according to all his beatitudes, thereby coming into the fullness of Christ by FAITH and WORKS.

This is the second baptism the baptism of fire and Holy Ghost that becomes a life-long process called sanctification (to make Holy and complete in the fullness of Christ according to his beatitudes).

Many are called by man (justified by water baptism and awarded the gift of grace) but few are chosen by God the Holy Spirit who sanctifies them and places the seal of the living God on them, so that they can migrate to the new Heavenly country New Jerusalem.

Zechariah 13:9 (NIV)
This third I will bring into the FIRE; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'"


So there are two baptisms involved in a christian narrow walk by faith in God towards salvation, one is instant and is awarded according to the grace of god as a gift and is called justification, the other one that functions as a SEALING of the baptized (by water)i n Christ, is the life long baptism of fire and sanctification of the already justified.

One is conditional upon the other and sanctification cannot proceed until one is justified or cleared as being transgressors of the law.

So this is how one can understand how we are saved for as it is declared we must be sanctified to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven for water alone will not get you there.

So both water and fire must be satisfied according to the will of God the Holy Spirit before he grants you the Heavenly visa.

Having said all that we can use scripture and an analogy to further enlighten this concept.

Before Christ we were condemned to death and awaiting our day of execution on death row because we fell under the curse of the Mosaic Law.
Christ having gained us victory through his death on the cross prevailed over death, the devil who had power over death and most importantly the apparatus of death that is SIN.

Once we are justified by the blood of the Lamb of God we then become cleared from being law breakers and therefore are pardoned from the letter of the law. This is not a get out of jail and death row pass but what the water baptism does is impute Christ's righteousness on us so that God now views us as if we have not broken any of his laws and statutes. God being the magistrate and judge now sees it fit since we are released on good behavior bond that was paid in full at cavalry we now walk as free men but must adhere to the parol conditions of the magistrate who is God the Holy Spirit. That is why God the Holy Spirit came down and His role was to be with us from our water baptism right through to when he will resurrect us on our third day (Hosea 6:2).

Sadly what most professing Christians do is accept the gift, mercy and grace of God being called by man in water baptism into Christ only to see superficial freedom and then do the BOLT and run in their own worldly path and desires forgetting about who they must communion (tabernacle) with (God the Holy Spirit), who is their parol and rehabilitation officer who will arbitrate and execute the life long baptism of fire in a pardoned prisoner of Christ (as Saint Paul declares).

So justification attaining to being baptized by water will only award you grace until you die then if you were not reformed as a pardoned prisoner of Christ, then you will NOT enter into the Kingdom of Christ in Heaven no matter what you think or others tell you.

You must have an experiential relationship with God as your ONLY Father and talk to him in your prayers, fasting and supplication and in so doing you are tabernackling with your God and observing the Holy Sabbath every minute of your narrow walk by faith with God (Lord of the Sabbath) in your life long sanctification (baptism of fire) / rehabilitation program set aside for you by God to change you from a carnally minded and hearted person to a spiritual born again faithful in the personage of Christ.

There are different degrees of sanctification for the baptized in Christ according to how God apportions them. The award or status in the Heavenly Country that Christ will grant you, will be to the degree that you fully submitted yourself and allowed His Holy Spirit to manifest His Good Works in you.

Therefore as apostle James 2:17 states correctly, faith without God's Works is dead faith and no faith at all since if one does fully submitt to God He will do no wrong for the works of God the Holy Spirit will manifest in him.

Matthew 22:2-14
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king (God Almighty), which made a marriage for his son (Jesus Christ), And sent forth his servants (Old Testament Prophets) to call them (Jews First) that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come (Jews rejected the Son). Again, he sent forth other servants (Disciples and Apostles), saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage (Heavenly Kingdom). But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant (Jewish Levitical Priesthood) took his servants (Disciples and Apostles), and entreated them spitefully, and slew (Jews killed His disciples and apostles) them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies (Roman Empire), and destroyed those murderers (Jewish Levitical Priesthood), and burned up their city (earthly Jerusalem 70AD). Then saith he to his servants (martyred saints), The wedding is ready (gates of Heavenly Kingdom New Jerusalem opened), but they which were bidden were not worthy (God rejected the Pharisaical Levitical Priesthood). Go ye therefore into the highways (Now start preaching to the Gentiles), and as many as ye shall find (Call them by Water Baptism), bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways (to the Gentiles), and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good (even the bad God makes Holy, you will be surprised who is invited): and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man (Christian called to Christ by water baptism), by which had not on a wedding garment (Not Sanctified or Sealed by God the Holy Spirit): And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment (Sanctification garment of the saints)? And he was speechless (the Christian thought he was in the Heavenly Kingdom because of the free gift he received without having to do anything but only believe and be baptized by water). Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Many are called by man to Christ by the Water Baptism and are therefore justified in the sight of The Lord.

Sadly few are chosen or sanctified/sealed by God because they did not submit to the will of God the Holy Spirit who sanctifies them and thereby doing the runner whilst they were on parol and ignored the rehabilitation officer God the Holy Spirit.

The Christian in the above versus was shocked because he hedged his bet on being justified without lifting a finger and became complacent and attuned to the worldly way of life and felt that He did not need to be rehabilitated as a pardoned prisoner of Christ by His parol and rehabilitation officer. 

The Lord's Word were in

John 3:5-6
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

You must be born again of the Spirit of God who will quicken your mortal bodies on your day of resurrection (Romans 8:11).


Matthew 3:11 (NIV)
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with FIRE (symbol for purging of old carnal self to a born again new creation in Christ).

You must be Born Again!

Stay blessed

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Re: what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2012, 07:58:25 PM »
The way I read it is people will do the works of the Lord, (prophecy, cast out demons, etc.) but have no relationship with the Lord, thus Him saying "I never knew you".

Amen Alan.  It is very important to see that.  Jesus says to them "I NEVER knew you".  He doesn't say "I ONCE knew you" (meaning the people were once saved and are now lost).  No--he says I NEVER knew you.  Yet the Lord says he "KNOWS those who are His".  These people were only professing Christians--they never belonged to Christ in  the first place.  They SAY "Lord, Lord" but don't really Acknowledge Him as Lord.
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Re: what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2012, 08:11:14 PM »
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:23

The verse you referred to is Matthew 7:21.

The Lord professes unto them, I never knew you.

So that means it can not be about saving faith gone sour.

In John 6:27 the Lord says: him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.


That being said, I definitely encourage you to overcome whatever sin you struggle with.
But I think it´s easier with your helmet of salvation on. ::smile::

Helmet i have the full armor can't you see ::smile:: Thank you so much for i know Jesus and he knows me that i am sure of. If i can not fall from him which is written i am saved and will be free one day.
I am working hard to stop mainly staying on here and reading the Bible. i long to be free ANd have faith in Jesus that he is leading me to freedom from it. Glory to God, Holy is his name  ::smile::

Alan Thank you too so very much. I think for the first time in my life i believe with out a doubt i will be in heaven. This has always been hard for me to except as many church leaders from the time i was 7 or 8 said i was not saved. I didn't understand why i asked Jesus into my hear, I asked to be forgiven. I believe he die on the cross for my sins. That he is the word made flesh. That he is the son of the living God. That he is lord, That he died and was read from the dead for death had no power over him. i believe he loves me. I thought i might fall away from him, but i know know that will never happen.

I could dance right now. ::clappingoverhead::

I know Jesus said i have not lost one that you gave me except the one head for destruction(judas), and in another part No one takes away those who are in  Gods hands. Not a direct quote on that  ::smile::

This is a great day, what a day, The day is present in everyday but today he has given me answers to things that trouble my heart, I love him more and more each day, whooohoooo, yeeeehawww. Oh happy day ::smile:: ::clappingoverhead::  ::clappingoverhead::  ::clappingoverhead:: I think i'm going to cry that just made me love God so much more, i mean i love him alot, but even more because i am seeing all of him, oh happy day  ::clappingoverhead::

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2012, 08:30:30 PM »
Jesus said you will only enter the Heavenly Kingdom if you are born of: (John 3:5)

1) Water
2) Spirit (Holy Ghost)

The water is a symbol of cleansing and therefore for a Christian it happens when we are baptized by water into Christ and are justified by the Grace of God.

While Jesus did not teach anything about baptism in that John 3 passage, I agree, we must be born again!


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Re: what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2012, 08:52:25 PM »
Jesus said you will only enter the Heavenly Kingdom if you are born of: (John 3:5)

1) Water
2) Spirit (Holy Ghost)

The water is a symbol of cleansing and therefore for a Christian it happens when we are baptized by water into Christ and are justified by the Grace of God.

What does to be justified mean:

Justification (Gift of God)
In Christian theology, is God's act of removing the guilt and penalty of sin while at the same time declaring a sinner righteous through Christ's atoning sacrifice. The righteousness of Christ is credited/imputed/counted to the sinner's account through FAITH ALONE in Christ alone.

This is the part where we are CALLED by MAN to CHRIST through the preaching of the gospel. (The Great Commission started by the disciples and apostles of Christ)

The second part of salvation is the purging by FIRE of the old carnal minded man of flesh to a spiritually minded saint who is moulded into the personage of Jesus according to all his beatitudes, thereby coming into the fullness of Christ by FAITH and WORKS.

This is the second baptism the baptism of fire and Holy Ghost that becomes a life-long process called sanctification (to make Holy and complete in the fullness of Christ according to his beatitudes).

Many are called by man (justified by water baptism and awarded the gift of grace) but few are chosen by God the Holy Spirit who sanctifies them and places the seal of the living God on them, so that they can migrate to the new Heavenly country New Jerusalem.

Zechariah 13:9 (NIV)
This third I will bring into the FIRE; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'"


So there are two baptisms involved in a christian narrow walk by faith in God towards salvation, one is instant and is awarded according to the grace of god as a gift and is called justification, the other one that functions as a SEALING of the baptized (by water)i n Christ, is the life long baptism of fire and sanctification of the already justified.

One is conditional upon the other and sanctification cannot proceed until one is justified or cleared as being transgressors of the law.

So this is how one can understand how we are saved for as it is declared we must be sanctified to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven for water alone will not get you there.

So both water and fire must be satisfied according to the will of God the Holy Spirit before he grants you the Heavenly visa.

Having said all that we can use scripture and an analogy to further enlighten this concept.

Before Christ we were condemned to death and awaiting our day of execution on death row because we fell under the curse of the Mosaic Law.
Christ having gained us victory through his death on the cross prevailed over death, the devil who had power over death and most importantly the apparatus of death that is SIN.

Once we are justified by the blood of the Lamb of God we then become cleared from being law breakers and therefore are pardoned from the letter of the law. This is not a get out of jail and death row pass but what the water baptism does is impute Christ's righteousness on us so that God now views us as if we have not broken any of his laws and statutes. God being the magistrate and judge now sees it fit since we are released on good behavior bond that was paid in full at cavalry we now walk as free men but must adhere to the parol conditions of the magistrate who is God the Holy Spirit. That is why God the Holy Spirit came down and His role was to be with us from our water baptism right through to when he will resurrect us on our third day (Hosea 6:2).

Sadly what most professing Christians do is accept the gift, mercy and grace of God being called by man in water baptism into Christ only to see superficial freedom and then do the BOLT and run in their own worldly path and desires forgetting about who they must communion (tabernacle) with (God the Holy Spirit), who is their parol and rehabilitation officer who will arbitrate and execute the life long baptism of fire in a pardoned prisoner of Christ (as Saint Paul declares).

So justification attaining to being baptized by water will only award you grace until you die then if you were not reformed as a pardoned prisoner of Christ, then you will NOT enter into the Kingdom of Christ in Heaven no matter what you think or others tell you.

You must have an experiential relationship with God as your ONLY Father and talk to him in your prayers, fasting and supplication and in so doing you are tabernackling with your God and observing the Holy Sabbath every minute of your narrow walk by faith with God (Lord of the Sabbath) in your life long sanctification (baptism of fire) / rehabilitation program set aside for you by God to change you from a carnally minded and hearted person to a spiritual born again faithful in the personage of Christ.

There are different degrees of sanctification for the baptized in Christ according to how God apportions them. The award or status in the Heavenly Country that Christ will grant you, will be to the degree that you fully submitted yourself and allowed His Holy Spirit to manifest His Good Works in you.

Therefore as apostle James 2:17 states correctly, faith without God's Works is dead faith and no faith at all since if one does fully submitt to God He will do no wrong for the works of God the Holy Spirit will manifest in him.

Matthew 22:2-14
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king (God Almighty), which made a marriage for his son (Jesus Christ), And sent forth his servants (Old Testament Prophets) to call them (Jews First) that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come (Jews rejected the Son). Again, he sent forth other servants (Disciples and Apostles), saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage (Heavenly Kingdom). But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant (Jewish Levitical Priesthood) took his servants (Disciples and Apostles), and entreated them spitefully, and slew (Jews killed His disciples and apostles) them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies (Roman Empire), and destroyed those murderers (Jewish Levitical Priesthood), and burned up their city (earthly Jerusalem 70AD). Then saith he to his servants (martyred saints), The wedding is ready (gates of Heavenly Kingdom New Jerusalem opened), but they which were bidden were not worthy (God rejected the Pharisaical Levitical Priesthood). Go ye therefore into the highways (Now start preaching to the Gentiles), and as many as ye shall find (Call them by Water Baptism), bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways (to the Gentiles), and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good (even the bad God makes Holy, you will be surprised who is invited): and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man (Christian called to Christ by water baptism), by which had not on a wedding garment (Not Sanctified or Sealed by God the Holy Spirit): And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment (Sanctification garment of the saints)? And he was speechless (the Christian thought he was in the Heavenly Kingdom because of the free gift he received without having to do anything but only believe and be baptized by water). Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Many are called by man to Christ by the Water Baptism and are therefore justified in the sight of The Lord.

Sadly few are chosen or sanctified/sealed by God because they did not submit to the will of God the Holy Spirit who sanctifies them and thereby doing the runner whilst they were on parol and ignored the rehabilitation officer God the Holy Spirit.

The Christian in the above versus was shocked because he hedged his bet on being justified without lifting a finger and became complacent and attuned to the worldly way of life and felt that He did not need to be rehabilitated as a pardoned prisoner of Christ by His parol and rehabilitation officer. 

The Lord's Word were in

John 3:5-6
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

You must be born again of the Spirit of God who will quicken your mortal bodies on your day of resurrection (Romans 8:11).


Matthew 3:11 (NIV)
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with FIRE (symbol for purging of old carnal self to a born again new creation in Christ).

You must be Born Again!

Stay blessed

I know the story you speak, but it is said no one is taken from gods hand and Jesus said i did not lose one that you gave me father. So that wedding guest that was cast out was never with God in the first place cause God will not lose one of his own.

Maybe the wedding guess who was not dressed right were those who were baptized but did not have Jesus in there heart. I think you might be saying the same thing here? Water will not save you It is by spirit, God living inside us. Would God enter some one who was unclean. I say no because God is so holy it would destroy that person But God enters after we are made clean by Jesus. We are made clean though his blood that God can enter us, for the holy spirit would never enter something unclean, and nothing unclean can enter the holy spirit.

If we sin but yet we do not want to we are not condemned if we sin but hate it is it us or this sin full body, but those who could not over come sin in this body, which only Jesus did, then will be given a new uncorruptable  body, in which they will be free from sin.

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Re: what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2012, 09:04:37 PM »
Render on to Cesar what is Cesar and to God was is Gods. We are born of spirit are spirit belongs to God yet we sin with the Body, we can not sin with the spirit for we are born of uncorruptable seed. That which is born of spirit is spirit and of flesh is flesh. I just understood the Bible verse that says we can no longer sin because we are born of spirit, sorry can't think of the direct verse. It means we are of spirit and can not sin with our spirit, it is impossible, because God said it. We may sin with the body, but the spirit is Gods, the body will die and with it the sin there in but the spirit will go on with Christ and sense it never sins as we were born of spirit of God, it never will sin, God gave us victory right a way because are spirit becomes born and is and always will be with out sin, this is why we need new body free from sin, and we will not be in are old bodies, this is also why Jesus did not need a new body, he never  sinned, his body was always free from sin.

 I feel the spirit tonight. I was just taught what i wrote. I love it when God teaches me. Does any one see what i mean, do you see the truth in it, like i said i just learned it, would love to here ideas, what you think?

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Re: what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2012, 09:24:55 PM »
Render on to Cesar what is Cesar and to God was is Gods. We are born of spirit are spirit belongs to God yet we sin with the Body, we can not sin with the spirit for we are born of uncorruptable seed. That which is born of spirit is spirit and of flesh is flesh. I just understood the Bible verse that says we can no longer sin because we are born of spirit, sorry can't think of the direct verse. It means we are of spirit and can not sin with our spirit, it is impossible, because God said it. We may sin with the body, but the spirit is Gods, the body will die and with it the sin there in but the spirit will go on with Christ and sense it never sins as we were born of spirit of God, it never will sin, God gave us victory right a way because are spirit becomes born and is and always will be with out sin, this is why we need new body free from sin, and we will not be in are old bodies, this is also why Jesus did not need a new body, he never  sinned, his body was always free from sin.

 I feel the spirit tonight. I was just taught what i wrote. I love it when God teaches me. Does any one see what i mean, do you see the truth in it, like i said i just learned it, would love to here ideas, what you think?

AMEN!

1 John 5:18
We know that God’s children do not make a practice of sinning, for God’s Son holds them securely, and the evil one cannot touch them.

When Jesus comes in and makes our spirits pure and holy, we are become new creatures, and while our flesh (soul---our thinker, chooser and feeler---and body) still has the training within to sin, the flesh doesn't necessarily get the new program yet! Whenever the flesh sins, the spirit is never a participant. As we become more and more intimate with the Lord and familiar with His word, and the voice of Holy Spirit, heeding His direction, we will make inroads into revolutionizing the flesh part of us. This process goes on and on until we finally see Jesus face to face!

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Re: what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2012, 01:40:28 AM »
Render on to Cesar what is Cesar and to God was is Gods. We are born of spirit are spirit belongs to God yet we sin with the Body, we can not sin with the spirit for we are born of uncorruptable seed. That which is born of spirit is spirit and of flesh is flesh. I just understood the Bible verse that says we can no longer sin because we are born of spirit, sorry can't think of the direct verse. It means we are of spirit and can not sin with our spirit, it is impossible, because God said it. We may sin with the body, but the spirit is Gods, the body will die and with it the sin there in but the spirit will go on with Christ and sense it never sins as we were born of spirit of God, it never will sin, God gave us victory right a way because are spirit becomes born and is and always will be with out sin, this is why we need new body free from sin, and we will not be in are old bodies, this is also why Jesus did not need a new body, he never  sinned, his body was always free from sin.

 I feel the spirit tonight. I was just taught what i wrote. I love it when God teaches me. Does any one see what i mean, do you see the truth in it, like i said i just learned it, would love to here ideas, what you think?

AMEN!

1 John 5:18
We know that God’s children do not make a practice of sinning, for God’s Son holds them securely, and the evil one cannot touch them.

When Jesus comes in and makes our spirits pure and holy, we are become new creatures, and while our flesh (soul---our thinker, chooser and feeler---and body) still has the training within to sin, the flesh doesn't necessarily get the new program yet! Whenever the flesh sins, the spirit is never a participant. As we become more and more intimate with the Lord and familiar with His word, and the voice of Holy Spirit, heeding His direction, we will make inroads into revolutionizing the flesh part of us. This process goes on and on until we finally see Jesus face to face!
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Re: what is meant by not all who cry lord lord will be saved?
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2012, 01:56:16 PM »
This was a major problem for me many years ago. He is speaking to people who believe they are His, they are healing and casting out demons in His name.
'but Lord Lord we healed and cast out demons in your name', .....'Be gone from me you lawless people, i never knew you'.
Heavy sobering words. Lawless people, hebrew Torah'less, Greek - anomia - lawless, with out Gods law....translated 'inproperly as iniquity'.
The old forefathers of modern day christianity lived and preached the commandments of God, we dont today....
christians say that the law was done away at the cross...but it wasnt, favourite matra of christians is 'the law is written on our hearts', unfortuneately this is
an untrue statement because, unless one ohas first LEARNED YHWH's Laws, one cannot have them 'written on their hearts'...
1john3 clearly states that sn s 'lawlessness' whch means 'the Law' couldn not have been abolshed at the cross !
Therefore 'those who belong to the Father, obey His commandments' law abiding ....problem is a false gospel has been delivered, Gospel of Grace....Gods Grace is afforded to us yes, but it doesn't give us free reign to be disobedient to what God says we are to do for him...WWJD...he was lawabiding...
Christianity seems to have weighed anchor and set sail on a opposite path to that of their Messiah/Saviour...Changed the commandments, the days of celebrations that God says are to be observed by all of those who worship Him forever...Christianity has replaced the feasts wth their own day of celebrations, changed the name of the saviour, done away with the name of God that  God gave Moses....and changed the gospel from one that requres obedience to one that gives free reign and grace to cover a multitude of repetative sins , and to many Jesus has replaced God, many pray only to Jesus, plus many many other things over the years...TO such an extent that maybe, they are no longer worshiping the God of Abraham, issac and Jacob..maybe this is what He was on about when he said 'another will come in my name and him you will accept', becuase the Jesus of christianity today doesnt and isnt the one in the bible that we all have and revere.
'Not all who cry Lord Lord wll be saved'....amen