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What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« on: Tue Jul 24, 2007 - 10:25:42 »
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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #1 on: Tue Jul 24, 2007 - 10:30:56 »
What do you think Chandrus?

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #2 on: Tue Jul 24, 2007 - 10:37:21 »
Pentecostal spirit worship, Charismatic idol worship!

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #3 on: Tue Jul 24, 2007 - 12:09:56 »
Pentecostal spirit worship, Charismatic idol worship!

Hmm...That's odd.  I'm "charismatic", but not a Pentecostal.  Why would you equate charismatic with idolatry?


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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #4 on: Tue Jul 24, 2007 - 12:55:38 »
Christ's Church was founded on Pentacost, so we are all "pentacostal."

[Only a few of us are also charismatic...  ::thankyouthankyou::]

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #5 on: Tue Jul 24, 2007 - 13:11:58 »
Pentecostalism is a movement within Evangelical Christianity that places special emphasis on the direct personal experience of God through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, as shown in the Biblical account of the Day of Pentecost. Pentecostalism is similar to the Charismatic movement, but developed earlier and separated from the mainstream church. Charismatic Christians, at least in the early days of the movement, tended to remain in their respective denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism

The charismatic movement began with the adoption of certain beliefs typical of those held by Pentecostal Christians — specifically what are known as the biblical charisms or spiritual gifts: glossolalia (speaking in tongues), prophesying, supernatural healing, etc. — by those within mainstream Protestant and Roman Catholic churches. Many charismatic Christians went on to form separate churches and denominations. The writings of John Fletcher were influential in beginning this movement, which was sparked by the Azusa Street Revival in California, which took place in 1906. Though charismatic theology finds its roots in the Wesleyan-Holiness tradition, charismatics can now be found within numerous theological movements and in multiple denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_movement

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #6 on: Tue Jul 24, 2007 - 14:50:29 »
I think I will go edit wikipedia...

I like my answer better!

[Just kidding!]

Thanks, Harold!

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #7 on: Fri Jul 27, 2007 - 23:22:18 »
Some historians would say that Pentecostals are from the denominations, churches, or the movement started at Azusa Street, and that Charismatics are from the movement started in the 60's.

In the late 60's and early 70's, a 'charismatics' might be an Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Methodist, Catholic etc. who believed in the baptism in the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues and other gifts. 

Later, though, Charismatic denominations and independant churches came into being that took on the name 'Charismatic' but their teachings were more like Pentecostals in a lot of ways.

In the old days, a lot of Pentecostals would not go to the movie house and dressed a certain way (no jeweltry, etc.)  Charismatics came along with their women wearing makeup and some of them even drank wine back then. 

But nowadays, the movements have kind of merged in some places.  There are still Pentecostals, some of them who dress a certain way.  But a lot of the Pentecostals have let go of 'clothes line religion' all together.  There still are Charismatic elements in some churches, like the RCC in particular, but in a lot of cases, the Charismatics have moved out of the mainline churches.  Plus, many other denominations have toned down resistance to spiritual gifts and have at least a theoretical acceptance of it.

The Charismatic movement also includes the word of faith movement.  Not all Charismatics are into this.  Word of faithers believe in 'name it and claim it.'  Some of them emphasize using faith to get money, 'planting seed' by giving and harvesting money, and things like that.  These are some of the Charismatics who get the most airtime on TV.

Pentecostals generally baptize by immersion.  Many independant Charismatic churches do.  (Actually, I don't think I've ever heard of any that sprinkle babies.) 

There are also cultural issues.  Sometimes people think of Pentecostal churches as having a certain type of lively old timey southern style church music.  Charismatic churches tend to have choruses. 

But nowadays a lot of Pentecostal churches will have choruses mixed with older hymns.

The term 'charismatic' can also be used as a theological term to describe someone who believes that spiritual gifts continue.  Literally, the term would mean someone who believes in or is characterized by gifts (and the word for gifts is related to the word for 'grace.')  So literally we should all seek to be 'charismatic.' 

There is also a movement known as 'Third Wave' meaning churches of people from evangelical backgrounds that did not accept the Charismatic movement in the 60's and early 70's, but later started to experience spiritual gifts.   This is some term a theologian or historian came up with. 

Pentecostals and Charismatics believe in speaking in tongues and other gifts.  In some of these churches, everyone prays in tongues at the same time.  Other churches like this expect there to be an interpretation if there is a tongue.  Sometimes, during a lull between songs, or at some other time during the meeting, someone will speak out a message in tongues.  In Pentecostal churches the music generally stops and everyone acts reverent just like if someone is leading in prayer.  Then, they wait.  There may then be an interpretation in tongues.  Prophecies work more or less the same way in a lot of churches, but just with one person speaking. 

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #8 on: Fri Jul 27, 2007 - 23:47:02 »
What if churches who accept the tongue-speaking as God-given followed the directions in the NT, and always had an interpreter -- and if there were prophecies they would monitor and record them so that the prophet can be stoned if he's not right, a la the OT.

If somebody blurts out a prophecy "in tongues", and someone else interprets -- especially if it's one of those deals where the first speaker can't translate for himself and thus has to agree with speaker #2 -- and if it works out that the prophecy is not of God -- who would get stoned, the prophet or the interpreter?

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #9 on: Sat Jul 28, 2007 - 00:42:57 »
wow!! charismatics get stoned!!!

and, drink wine!!!

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #10 on: Sat Jul 28, 2007 - 00:51:47 »
you guys get way too hung up on titles and name tags.

i read all the heresy hunters and it irritates me that they lump all "spirit-filled" churches under one roof.

my church is called a lot of things: charismatic, pentacostal, word of faith, the rock and roll church, baptiscostal, hand laying, tongue talking, holy rolling,dancing,etc...

but none of those aspects of our belief are the definition of our belief.

we are gospel preaching christians.

period.

the same gospel taught in any bible believing church.

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #11 on: Sat Jul 28, 2007 - 08:08:37 »
I didn't know there was any difference. I've always thought they were two words describing the same thing.

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #12 on: Sat Jul 28, 2007 - 08:13:46 »
My personal experience is that Pentecostals churches as a whole preach holiness more than the Charismatic churches I have seen.

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Re: What is the difference between Pentecostal and Charismatic?
« Reply #13 on: Sat Jul 28, 2007 - 11:52:32 »
My personal experience is that Pentecostals churches as a whole preach holiness more than the Charismatic churches I have seen.

Most Pentecostal churches are in the holiness groups, but I have never heard of any Charismatic holiness groups. Most Charismatics are in the TBN venue.

All and I mean all Pentecostal churches baptize in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins, never in the Mat. 28:19 formula.

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char·is·mat·ic (kăr'ĭz-măt'ĭk)
adj.
Of, relating to, or characterized by charisma: “the warmth of a naturally charismatic leader

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char·is·mat·ic (kăr'ĭz-măt'ĭk)
adj.
Of, relating to, or characterized by charisma: “the warmth of a naturally charismatic leader

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char·is·mat·ic (kăr'ĭz-măt'ĭk)
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Of, relating to, or characterized by charisma: “the warmth of a naturally charismatic leader

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« Reply #17 on: Sun Jul 29, 2007 - 01:44:39 »

Most Pentecostal churches are in the holiness groups, but I have never heard of any Charismatic holiness groups. Most Charismatics are in the TBN venue.

I don't know that 'most Charismatics' in the US resemble TBN.  Many do.  There is a little variety on TBN. 

I don't think most Pentecostals are Holiness groups.  I don't know that stats.  From the beginning of the Pentecostal movement, there were those who held to the historically 'holiness' idea of a distinct separate work of grace called 'sanctification' as an experience, and those that believed that sanctification is a process.

Now, the largest Pentecostal denomination, the Assemblies of God, sees sanctification as a process.  Most churches with 'Holiness' in the denominational name see it as an experience.  Some denominations have preachers who see it both ways, like the Church of God (Cleveland, TN.)  Many Non-Holiness Pentecostal churches may focus on living holy, and used to have a lot of 'clothesline teaching' back before the 60's or 50's or whenever, but aren't defined as Holiness because they did not hold to the idea of sanctification as a one-time experience.

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All and I mean all Pentecostal churches baptize in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins, never in the Mat. 28:19 formula.

You are mistaken.  Only a small minority of Pentecostals are "Jesus Onlies" as they are called.  Usually, in the US, the churches that baptize saying "in the name of Jesus' and will not use the Matthew 28:19 formula believe that one has to be baptized in Jesus name in water, and speak in tongues to be saved.  Maybe there are some that practice this that do not believe tongues is essential, but the largest denomination like this, the United Pentecostal Church believes that way if I am not mistaken.

Usually the 'Oneness' churches in the US go by the name 'Apostolic' if they are independant and not part of the UPC. 

In South Africa, 'Apostolic' can refer to Trinitarian Pentecostals also.  The Azusa Street Mission, where the movement gained momentum in 1904, had a newsletter called the Apostolic Faith.  John G. Lake went to South Africa after this starting 'Apostolic' churches.  But the movement split in the US between the Trinitarians and the Oneness group that emerged, and the Oneness group ended up with the name 'Apostolic.'

The majority of Pentecostals in the US are not 'Jesus' only, baptize with the trinitarian formula, and hold to a standard evangelical idea of salvation.  They believe in the baptism with the Holy Spirit subsequent to salvation, evidenced by speaking in tongues.  But this is seen as empowerment that occurs after salvation.