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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #300 on: January 11, 2017, 10:11:01 AM »
The spirit of Jez is just that, an evil spirit. When we talking about the spirit of Jezebel - we are talking about the spirit that was in her, and that spirit is still around, plus we also know that in the O.T. names were very important, so the name of that spirit could very well be Jezebel. Someone asked for book and chapter to prove by the bible that Jezebel is in the church today....

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Rev 2:20 But I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet and who teaches and leads my servants to practice immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
Rev 2:21 I gave her time to repent, but she refused to repent of her immorality.
Rev 2:22 Look! I am going to strike her with illness. Those who commit adultery with her will also suffer greatly, unless they repent from acting like her.
Rev 2:23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches minds and hearts. I will reward each of you as your actions deserve.

That is talking to a N.T. church - Talking about the spirit of Jezebel.

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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #301 on: January 11, 2017, 10:46:03 AM »
The spirit of Jez is just that, an evil spirit. When we talking about the spirit of Jezebel - we are talking about the spirit that was in her, and that spirit is still around, plus we also know that in the O.T. names were very important, so the name of that spirit could very well be Jezebel. Someone asked for book and chapter to prove by the bible that Jezebel is in the church today....

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Rev 2:20 But I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet and who teaches and leads my servants to practice immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
Rev 2:21 I gave her time to repent, but she refused to repent of her immorality.
Rev 2:22 Look! I am going to strike her with illness. Those who commit adultery with her will also suffer greatly, unless they repent from acting like her.
Rev 2:23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches minds and hearts. I will reward each of you as your actions deserve.

That is talking to a N.T. church - Talking about the spirit of Jezebel.
 

Yes I did post that passage a while back, it wasnt received very well.  ::eek::

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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #302 on: January 11, 2017, 10:58:25 AM »
The spirit of Jez is just that, an evil spirit. When we talking about the spirit of Jezebel - we are talking about the spirit that was in her, and that spirit is still around, plus we also know that in the O.T. names were very important, so the name of that spirit could very well be Jezebel. Someone asked for book and chapter to prove by the bible that Jezebel is in the church today....

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Rev 2:20 But I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet and who teaches and leads my servants to practice immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
Rev 2:21 I gave her time to repent, but she refused to repent of her immorality.
Rev 2:22 Look! I am going to strike her with illness. Those who commit adultery with her will also suffer greatly, unless they repent from acting like her.
Rev 2:23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches minds and hearts. I will reward each of you as your actions deserve.

That is talking to a N.T. church - Talking about the spirit of Jezebel.
 

Yes I did post that passage a while back, it wasnt received very well.  ::eek::

What's not taken very well...

When a Christian man tries to persuade a Christian woman that she is influenced/possessed/used by the "Spirit of Jezebel" when she in no way resembles the real Jezebel.

The real Jezebel and her religion -

1. Orgies with anonymous sex
2. Rituals of de-flowering virgins
3. Rituals of castrating men
4. Worshiping phallic symbols/statues
5. Firstborn child crushed and placed into a jar for good luck

Now, maybe you and notreligus, who promote this practice of accusing Christian women of this "Spirit of Jezebel" might explain why a Christian man would try to persuade a Christian woman she's got this demon buzzing about her, when she has participated in none of the debauchery and filth that the real Jezebel's religion was known for. Why would any Christian want to heap that dark spiritual burden upon a sister in Christ? Do you two care to answer?


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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #303 on: January 11, 2017, 11:03:24 AM »
The spirit of Jez is just that, an evil spirit. When we talking about the spirit of Jezebel - we are talking about the spirit that was in her, and that spirit is still around, plus we also know that in the O.T. names were very important, so the name of that spirit could very well be Jezebel. Someone asked for book and chapter to prove by the bible that Jezebel is in the church today....

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Rev 2:20 But I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet and who teaches and leads my servants to practice immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
Rev 2:21 I gave her time to repent, but she refused to repent of her immorality.
Rev 2:22 Look! I am going to strike her with illness. Those who commit adultery with her will also suffer greatly, unless they repent from acting like her.
Rev 2:23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am the one who searches minds and hearts. I will reward each of you as your actions deserve.

That is talking to a N.T. church - Talking about the spirit of Jezebel.

Is he, there is no reference that I am aware of that speaks of the "spirit" of Jezebel in the Bible.  ::headscratch::

In Revelations John talks of a woman named Jezebel, that she happens to have some similar characteristics to the woman named Jezebel in Kings does not confirm that these Jezebels were possessed by an evil spirit of the same name, If they were indeed possessed maybe it was by Slumglob, Slumtrumpet, or Glubose.  ::shrug::












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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #304 on: January 11, 2017, 11:47:20 AM »
Carey,
           Good point. Neither of them were said to be possessed. Yet people are possessed "by" Jezebel.

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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #305 on: January 11, 2017, 12:25:44 PM »
Remember the O.T. is a type and shadow of the New, When a person (not just a woman) is influenced by things that are the same as the evil queen Jezebel - then repentance needs to be done. An example of the "character" of Jezebel in the church would be as basic as men (or woman) looking at porn.

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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #306 on: January 11, 2017, 01:10:58 PM »
Remember the O.T. is a type and shadow of the New, When a person (not just a woman) is influenced by things that are the same as the evil queen Jezebel - then repentance needs to be done. An example of the "character" of Jezebel in the church would be as basic as men (or woman) looking at porn.

Your whole argument is based upon reading into God's Word.

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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #307 on: January 11, 2017, 01:16:50 PM »
Remember the O.T. is a type and shadow of the New, When a person (not just a woman) is influenced by things that are the same as the evil queen Jezebel - then repentance needs to be done. An example of the "character" of Jezebel in the church would be as basic as men (or woman) looking at porn.

What if your daughter displayed none of the characteristics of the real Jezebel, but yet, a man tried to convince her that Jezebel was using her?


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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #308 on: January 11, 2017, 01:28:01 PM »
Remember the O.T. is a type and shadow of the New, When a person (not just a woman) is influenced by things that are the same as the evil queen Jezebel - then repentance needs to be done. An example of the "character" of Jezebel in the church would be as basic as men (or woman) looking at porn.

Your whole argument is based upon reading into God's Word.

Yep, and their manufactured religion allows them to point the bony finger of blame at Jezzy instead of working on their own weaknesses.


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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #309 on: January 11, 2017, 01:44:15 PM »
I'm not saying that we should judge, as some do. I am saying not to be blind to the works of Satan and his minions in the earth today, and to guard are own selves from the very real seducing spirit of seduction that according to Revelations is named after the seductress Jezebel. I don't read "into" the word, I just read the word and believe what it says.

I agree to point our bony finger at some young girl screaming Jezebel is very wrong, and those that do will be judge is like manner. I am just asking don't dismiss that there is a seducing spirit - and that is what is referred to as Jezebel. Not a person.

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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #310 on: January 11, 2017, 01:45:59 PM »
Faithbuilders,
                        It has nothing to do with Jezebel.
Mark 7:20-23 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. [21] For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come---sexual immorality, theft, murder, [22] adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. [23] All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

This where that stuff comes from, not a concocted spirit that shows up nowhere in the Bible.

There is no seducing spirit of seduction in Revelation named after the seductress Jezebel.

You can't set up a belief system and conversation around something with no foundation.
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« Reply #311 on: January 11, 2017, 01:50:20 PM »
Faithbuilders,
                        It has nothing to do with Jezebel.
Mark 7:20-23 NIV
He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. [21] For it is from within, out of a person's heart, that evil thoughts come---sexual immorality, theft, murder, [22] adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. [23] All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”


This where that stuff comes from, not a concocted spirit that shows up no where in the Bible.

There is no seducing spirit of seduction in Revelation named after the seductress Jezebel.

You can't set up a belief system and conversation around something with no foundation.

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« Reply #312 on: January 11, 2017, 03:54:30 PM »


I agree to point our bony finger at some young girl screaming Jezebel is very wrong...

I'm in my 50s and a grandmother - even so - I was falsely accused. I don't know whether to laugh or cry about that.




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Re: What is the spirit of Jezebel? Seriously.
« Reply #313 on: January 11, 2017, 04:09:56 PM »
mommydi,
                   I think crying is more appropriate, that people are so taken in by things that are not Biblical that they believe it's part of Christianity.
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« Reply #314 on: January 11, 2017, 04:14:16 PM »
I must say that I am very surprised. I never expected 21 pages. I never knew this topic was so resonating.

The spirit of Jezebel doesn't fall into the category of Biblical topics. The spirit of Jezebel falls into the category of church culture.
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