Acts 10:47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" from the NAS version.
RB you said " It is impossible to refute these words of Peter concerning which comes FIRST. Only folks who hold to a biased agenda would attempt to do so."
It might just be your biased agenda that keeps you from seeing the truth. Let us reason this out and keep it in context.
Let's put more of the text with it to keep it in context.
Yogi, I stand by what I said, and your post truly proves not one thing that would overthrow my statement.
Yogi, if adding more of Acts ten to keep this in its context, then by all means let us do so.
Before I do so, let me correct both you and 4WD, I'm not the least confused about what 4WD first posted:
Once again you fail to discriminate between the work of the Holy Spirit of indwelling, which is given for each and every individual who is saved, and the work of the Holy Spirit of empowering, which was given for a few selected individuals to perform signs, wonders, and miracles.
Are you two ready to deny Cornelius was not saved (in a regenerate sense) while the Holy Ghost fell on them BEFORE they were baptized? If you say yes, then you have a serious problem to address in Acts 2, where Peter told them on Pentecost that enquire what they must do to receive what he had by telling them to Repent and be baptized for the remission of sins and they too WOULD RECEIVE the gift of the Holy Spirit!
Actually, both Cornelius and his household and those who enquired of Peter in Acts 2~both
were regenerated before
Acts 10:1-2~“There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.”
Acts 10:34-35~“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”
Corneluis did BOTH before he ever saw or heard Peter's voice! Cornelius was accepted with God, born again by the Spirit of God, and in possession of eternal life long before he heard of Peter, for his righteous actions and God’s declarations about him prove this easy conclusion. No unregenerate man can or will do the things that Cornelius did fervently and zealously, which things were accepted by God in heaven!
Cornelius had been elected by God the Father before the world began (2nd Timothy 1:9); the Son of God had obeyed and died for him some years earlier (Hebrews 10:10-14); and the Spirit had applied the work in the vital act of regeneration during his life (Titus 3:5). Peter, states these three facts plainly for all who will read (Ist Peter 1:2).
God had already made an incredible change in his life by giving him a heart that separated him from other Italians. The life-giving voice of the Lord Jesus Christ had called for him to live spiritually, and he lived as certainly as Lazarus came forth from the tomb. He only needed Peter to loose him from some Roman and Jewish burial clothes!
Peter brought the gospel to save Cornelius from despair over his sins (Luke 7:36-50; Rom 7:24-25), from Jewish ignorance of salvation (Romans 10:1-5), from Roman idolatry and superstition (Ist Thess 1:9-10), from ignorance about life and immortality (2nd Timothy 1:9-10), and from confusion about the resurrection (Ist Corinthians 15:2). He needed to learn the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18:24-28), and how to prove his election (2nd Peter 1:5-11), including that repentance, baptism, (Acts 2:37-47).
It is absurd to make Cornelius a lost sinner that pleased God by works of the flesh! It is absurd to believe he had to make some silly decision for Jesus in order to be justified and born again. He was already serving the Lord far beyond a fleshly decision
. He needed Peter to direct his new man in the way of righteousness, not
help him get born again.
The word of God is plain. Except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God (John 3:3). The kingdom of God cannot be shown to a man not born again, because he cannot and will not see it. If a man believes on Jesus, he is already born again (Ist John 5:1). If he loves the brethren, he is already born again (Ist John 4:7). If he does righteousness, he is already born again (Ist John 2:29). These are evidences of eternal life! There are NO CONDITIONS.
Men do not want a sovereign God, so they corrupt the doctrine of salvation to make their own freewill their saviour. They want to be in charge. Because Cornelius is an extensive salvation story, they corrupt it as well. They make Peter and Cornelius cooperating saviours. We believe Jesus Christ saved Cornelius by Himself … before he met Peter!
Acts 2:37,38~"Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I'll come back to these two scriptures later, so as not to make this post too long