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« on: Thu Feb 26, 2004 - 16:11:59 »
I was doing some searching on google.com today and with a certain amount of keywords was presented with one of the most unusual websites I've ever seen....

Who runs this site?

What is its purpose?

Do the people who run the site realize how ridiculous it looks and how hard it is to read?

How do they have enough time to possibly glean all their information?

Do they realize that backbiting and gossip is considered in the bible as contrary to the emulation of Christ?

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« Reply #1 on: Thu Feb 26, 2004 - 16:18:32 »
The person who runs the piney site, posts on concernedmembers.com all the time also. He has some bizarre views.  The concerned members site is dedicated to fighting the change agents - which are those who dont think just like them.  One of the guys on that site goes to a church and takes notes on what happens then writes them up on the site. I guess he has the spritual gift of watchdog.  :D
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« Reply #2 on: Thu Feb 26, 2004 - 16:39:56 »
well partly why I asked is the amount of info.

Its nearly staggering.

One person does this?

If so nearly 99% of his info would have to be hearsay, unless he personally attends a different congregation every week or has lackeys among every congregation he reports on.....

If its just him and not a network this man should take this to heart......

Matthew 18
15 If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.

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Phillipians 2
3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.
 
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Romans 15
1We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. 2Each of us should please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

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Exodus 20
16 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

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Leviticus 19
16 \" 'Do not go about spreading slander among your people.
\" 'Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am the LORD .

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Galatians 5
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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Mark 7
20He went on: \"What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.

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Mark 7
1\"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.  

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Does anyone know how I can contact this person? I would like to talk with them.

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Feb 26, 2004 - 16:47:55 »
LOLOLOL!!! Clifty even way down here, I knew who piney was!!

Beyond the pale to be sure it is now!

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Feb 26, 2004 - 16:47:55 »
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« Reply #4 on: Thu Feb 26, 2004 - 16:48:02 »
I just went and posted the following message to the concerned members 4 boards........

[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]As a Christian we are to follow Christ.

Matthew 18
15\"If your brother sins against you,[2] go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'[3] 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
18\"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
19\"Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. 20For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.\"


Talking behind people's backs and gossipping and slandering them is no way to conduct your life as a Christian.

Phillipians 2
3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.

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Romans 15
1We who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak and not to please ourselves. 2Each of us should please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

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Exodus 20
16 You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

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Leviticus 19
16 \" 'Do not go about spreading slander among your people.
\" 'Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am the LORD .

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Galatians 5
19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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Mark 7
20He went on: \"What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.

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Mark 7
1\"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.  


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I wonder if the moderator will post it?  Do you want to know if that site is a tool for Christ or simply a tool?

Go back and see if it gets posted... considering its pretty much the words of the bible....  If they don't post the words of the bible, something is definitely wrong with them.

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« Reply #5 on: Thu Feb 26, 2004 - 16:50:20 »
The guy lives in a small town in Tennessee I believe.  If you go to the concernmembers site you will see several posts from him that you could reply to. His name is Ken Sublett.  Expect a lot of stange rambling mixed with something that sounds like greek mythology.    There is also most likely a link on piney somewhere but good luck finding it in that mess.

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« Reply #6 on: Fri Feb 27, 2004 - 07:16:02 »
The scary thing is that Ken Sublett is hailed by the concerned members as a scholar and disseminator of God's own Truth. If you have the patience to sit and read even one of his posts on that website, you might come away believing in modern day demon possession. But the worst part are all the amens that come afterward from others.

I would honestly like to meet this guy just to see what kind of person has a mind like that.

He's definitely committed.

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« Reply #7 on: Fri Feb 27, 2004 - 07:50:04 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (charlie @ Feb. 27 2004,04:16)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]He's definitely committed.[/quote]
That's good to hear.  It's been needed for some time. :saint:

Sorry.  That wasn't nice.

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« Reply #8 on: Fri Feb 27, 2004 - 07:51:09 »
He's definitely committed...to what I have no idea.

Sorry, old Rodney Dangerfield quote from Back to School.  Couldn't resist.

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« Reply #9 on: Fri Feb 27, 2004 - 08:10:50 »
I went and looked once at the concerned and piney sites.  Haven't found a need to go back.

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« Reply #10 on: Fri Feb 27, 2004 - 08:11:37 »
\"Good teacher! Really seems to care... about what I have no idea!\"
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« Reply #11 on: Sat Feb 28, 2004 - 00:01:17 »
This thread needs to be [span style=\'color:red\']deleted[/span], we risk [span style=\'color:blue\']attracting[/span] unwanted [span style=\'color:yellow\']attention[/span].

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Feb 28, 2004 - 12:51:32 »
Ken is probably right.  The crazy website was mentioned over at Ibelieve's message board and Sublett came over and stayed on that message board for a few months.  One of the guys who is a \"worship service reporter\" still is on it.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Feb 28, 2004 - 17:33:12 »
I know Ken thru email.  He really is not a bad guy.  When I first read his writings I thought what everyone else thought, that this guy is a nut.  But his main issue is IM and is very passionate about that.  After a short bit of correspondence I found him to be a very sincere person in what he believes.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun Feb 29, 2004 - 16:31:34 »
Ken use to attend the congregation I now attend on Sunday mornings in Hohenwald , Tennessee. He has innaccurately portrayed the congregation, and IM is not his only issue, but perhaps a forefront issue.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Jul 18, 2017 - 15:27:18 »
Here is what Lauren wanted to happen in Hohenwald.  The reason that Piney is devoted to Instrumental Music is that people collect your money and then tell you that WE have a different agenda.  I know of no forum including GCM which does not hack churches of Christ for daring to continue teaching what the Word has taught since the serpent in the garden was a singing and harp playing deceiver.

http://www.piney.com/Russ.Adcox.Great.Debate.Instrumental.Music.html

Russ masked himself as Church of Christ until the time was right to add the voodoo drums.  Lauren means that they also rejected Baptism and declared themselves a Community Church.  It is better not to confiscate the property of owners which is the meaning of a heretic: just lifts your proper and invites you to get over it or get out.  Russ Claims to be the authoritative teacher which is a role Jesus beat him to.

He GREW the Hohenwald church from about 300 to less than 100.

This is worth looking at because it has pictures teaching the universal connection between musical instruments and BURNING.

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« Reply #16 on: Wed Jul 19, 2017 - 22:00:19 »
Piney.com is an example of what Satan would like to do to all of us. This person is SO taken up with instrumental blasphemy that he no longer looks to Christ. Satan desires that greatly. Get our eyes off of Jesus and onto some "crusade" instead. He has been very successful distracting and deceiving this person. Let us all pray that we may continue to look away unto Jesus rather than being led off the path into meaningless arguments and wasted time.

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Piney.com is an example of what Satan would like to do to all of us. This person is SO taken up with instrumental blasphemy that he no longer looks to Christ. Satan desires that greatly. Get our eyes off of Jesus and onto some "crusade" instead. He has been very successful distracting and deceiving this person. Let us all pray that we may continue to look away unto Jesus rather than being led off the path into meaningless arguments and wasted time.

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I hope that all posters here will look at this web site and find out just how far legalism can be taken.    I posted a comment about legalism some days ago and a member here who is of the same denomination as the owner of Piney asked me to give him an example of legalism.   Well, this web site speaks LEGALISM about as loud as it can be spoken.   

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Piney.com is an example of what Satan would like to do to all of us. This person is SO taken up with instrumental blasphemy that he no longer looks to Christ. Satan desires that greatly. Get our eyes off of Jesus and onto some "crusade" instead. He has been very successful distracting and deceiving this person. Let us all pray that we may continue to look away unto Jesus rather than being led off the path into meaningless arguments and wasted time.

THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST AND ALL RECORDED RELIGIOUS HISTORY PROVES THAT SATAN INTRODUCED MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS: KOMA is induced by instrumental sounds.  I know ONLY Jesus Christ who HAS SAID all that can be said as the Verbal Logos of God: That is the Regulative principle which OUTLAWS rhetoric, singing,  playing instruments or acting which proves that THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.

"In pagan traditions, musical instruments are invented by gods or demi-gods, such as titans. In the Bible, credit is assigned to antediluvian patriarchs, for example, the descendants of Cain in Genesis 4:21. There is no other biblical tradition about the invention of musical instruments." (Freedman, David Noel, Bible Review, Summer 1985, p. 51). (Proof Here).

The Spirit OF Christ called "Lucifer the singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden

The Marzeah in Amos 5. God did not command the slaughter of innocent animals or the HOLOCAUST of goats and INFANTS

Amos 5:21  I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.
Amos 5:22 Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts.
Amos 5:23 Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.

"The marzeah had an extremely long history extending at least from the 14th century B.C. through the Roman period. In the 14th century B.C., it was prominently associated with the ancient Canaanite city of Ugarit (modern Ras Shamra), on the coast of Syria...

The marzeah was a pagan ritual that took the form of a social and religious association... Some scholars regard the funerary marzeah as a feast for--and with--deceased ancestors (or Rephaim, a proper name in the Bible for the inhabitants of Sheol)." (King, Biblical Archaeological Review, Aug, 1988, p. 35, 35)

"These five elements are:
(1) reclining or relaxing,
(2) eating a meat meal,
(3) singing with harp or other musical accompaniment,
(4) drinking wine and
(5) anointing oneself with oil." (King, p. 37).

THIS WAS RISING UP TO PLAY AND THE PLAY OF DAVID WHERE EVERYONE GOT A SHARE OF FOD.

    "we recognize the same elements: the sacrifices and libation, the cultic feast in which the congregation gets a share of food and drink after it has been blessed by the king, and the merry-making, now in the form of instrumental and vocal music. But the central act of the ritual, which was performed by the king, is called literally 'drinking' the god (Gurney, O. R. Some Aspects of Hittite Religion, p. 33-34, Oxford University Press, 1977)

This won't shock the literate who know that because of the MUSICAL IDOLATRY at Mount Sinai God TURNED THEM OVER to worship the starry host.

    "The normal order of events was a meal, followed by a drinking party. Entertainment might include anything from a rhetorcian or philosopher discoursing on some topic, to musical entertainment, to sexual dalliance." [Exodus 32; Romans 1]

    "Plutarch implicitly contrasts a serious dinner featuring a sage as the after-dinner speaker with the other sorts of dinners--where sexual play with the girl flute-players or hetairae was common." (Witherington, Ben, Why Not Idol Meat, Bible Review, June 1994, p. 41-42).


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« Reply #20 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 08:29:34 »
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I hope that all posters here will look at this web site and find out just how far legalism can be taken.    I posted a comment about legalism some days ago and a member here who is of the same denomination as the owner of Piney asked me to give him an example of legalism.   Well, this web site speaks LEGALISM about as loud as it can be spoken

John 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We SPEAK that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
John 8:38 I SPEAK that which I have seen with my Father: and ye DO that which ye have seen with your father. [the devil]

LEGALISM IS DEFINED IN THE LITERATURE SO WE CANNOT BE FOOLED

Legalism or NOMOS defined.
-Nomos , ho, ( [nemô] ) can mean "the Law of God" without respect to MOSES.
A. that which is in habitual practice, use or possession, not in Hom. (cf. J.Ap.2.15), though read by Zenod. in Od.1.3.
I. usage, custom, Mousai melpontai pantōn te nomous kai ēthea kedna” Hes.Th.66; “n. arkhaios aristos”
II. melody, strain, “oida d' ornikhōn nomōs pantōn” Alcm.67; “n. hippios” Pi.O. 1.101; “Apollōn hageito pantoiōn n.” Id.N.5.25; “n. polemikoi” Th.5.69; “epēlalaxan Arai ton oxun n.” A.Th.952 (lyr.); “krektoi n.” S.Fr. 463, cf. AP9.584: metaph., “tous Haidou n.” S.Fr.861.
2. esp. a type of early melody created by Terpander for the lyre as an accompaniment to Epic texts, “n. orthios” Hdt.1.24; “n. Boiōtios” S.Fr.966; “n. kitharōdikoi” Ar.Ra.1282, cf. Pl.Lg.700d, Arist.Po.1447b26, Pr.918b13, etc.; also for the flute, “n. aulōdikos” Plu.2.1132d; without sung text, n. aulētikos ib.1133d, cf. 138b, Poll.4.79; later, composition including both words and melody, e.g. Tim.Pers.

-Mousa 1 [*maô] I. the Muse, in pl. the Muses, goddesses of song, music, poetry, dancing, the drama, and all fine arts, Hom.: the names of the nine were Clio, Euterpe, Thalia, Melpomene, Terpsichore, Erato, Polymnia or Polyhymnia, Urania, and Calliope, Hes.,
II. mousa, as appellat., music, song, Pind., Trag.:--also eloquence, Eur.:--in pl. arts, accomplishments, Ar., Plat. Melpô to sing or CELEBRATE. This "arousal singing" was always associated with Phoibos [APPOLON] who was the BRIGHT ONE who is also Lucifer and Zoe.

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 09:00:39 »
Jer. 1:16 And I will utter my judgments against them touching all their wickedness, who have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, and worshipped the works of their own hands.

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Acts 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Works of human hands is is a "poem" word and excludes anything you build, compose or perform. They only way to avoid LEGALISM is to sit down and listen the any APT elder who teaching that WHICH HAS BEEN TAUGHT.  There is probably nothing more WORKS INTENSIVE that the energy spent on learning, practicing, performing and being judged on one's musical performance.

Psa. 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.
Psa. 50:8 I will not reprove thee [endorse] for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.
Psa. 50:9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.
Psa. 50:10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
Psa. 50:11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
Psa. 50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
Psa. 50:13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
Psa. 50:14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:

Is. 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Is. 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
Is. 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Is. 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not

WHAT IS A STRONG DELUSION:

H8586 ta‛ălûl tah-al-ool' From H5953 ; caprice (as a fit coming on), that is, vexation; concretely a tyrant:—babe, delusion Alal (h5953) glean, mock,

Illūdo 1. To scoff or mock at, to make a laughing-stock of, to ridicule,
“ipsa praecepta (rhetorum),” Cic. de Or. 1, 19, 87:
“voces Neronis, quoties caneret,” Tac. A. 14, 52Plane
plănus , i, m., = planos, I. a juggler, impostor, cheat (class.; cf. “erro): ille planus improbissimus,” Cic. Clu. 26, 72: fracto crure planum attollere
căno , cĕcĭni, cantum (ancient I. [select] imp. cante = canite,
2. Of the faulty delivery of an orator, to speak in a sing-song tone: “inclinată ululantique voce more Asiatico canere,”
C. Transf., of the instruments by which, or (poet.) of the places in which, the sounds are produced, to sound, resound: “canentes tibiae,” Cic. N. D. 2, 8, 22: “maestae cecinere tubae,” Prop. 4 (5), 11, 9.   

Paul in Ephesians 4 says that the Cunning Craftsmen or Sophists meaning speakers, singers or instrument players are LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE.
2 Chron 20:21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the Lord, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the Lord; for his mercy endureth for ever.

And when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set AMBUSHMENTS against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten. 2 Chron 20: 22




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This defines the proof text in 2 Chronicles 29 to say that God commanded instruments. Scripture said that DAVID commanded them. They burned infants just before the FOUNDATION OF MASSIVE DISCORD and just afterward.

Dt 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
        thou shalt not learn to do after the ABOMINATIONS of those nations.
Dt 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that
        maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire,
        or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

    hărĭŏlus  soothsayer, prophet, prophetess
    somnĭo , to dream; to dream of or see in a dream, to dream, i. e. to think idly or vainly, to talk foolishly:
    psaltrĭa , ae, f., = psaltria, . a female player on the cithara, a lutist, “ineptias,” Col. 1, 8, 2: “
      ah stulte! tu de Psaltriā me somnias Agere,” Ter. Ad. 4, 7, 6; Plaut. Pers. 2, 3, 5.—Absol.: “vigilans somniat
    “portenta non disserentium philosophorum sed somniantium,” Cic. N. D. 1, 8, 18.

Deut. 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer

    A Charmer is an Abomination
    incantātor , ōris, m. incanto, I. an enchanter, wizard (post-class.), Tert. Idol. 9; Isid. 8, 9, 15; Mos. et Rom. Leg. Coll. 15, 1, 2.

    consŭlo (a). In the lang. of religion, to consult a deity, an oracle, omens, etc.: “Apollinem de re,” Cic. Leg. 2, 16, 40: “deum consuluit auguriis, quae suscipienda essent,” Liv. 1, 20, 7: “deos hominum fibris,” Tac. A. 14, 30 fin.: “Phoebi oracula,” Ov. M. 3, 9; Suet. Vesp. 5: “Tiresiam conjectorem,” Plaut. Am. 5, 1, 76:

    Cantus A. Prophetic or oracular song: “veridicos Parcae coeperunt edere cantus,” Cat. 63 cf. Tib.
    B. An incantation, charm, magic song, etc.: cantusque artesque magorum.
    “cantus e curru Lunam deducere tentat,”
    2. With instruments, a playing, music: “in nervorum vocumque cantibus,” Cic. Tusc. 1, 2, 4; id. Rosc. Am. 46, 134: “citharae,” Hor. C. 3, 1, 20: “horribili stridebat tibia cantu,” Cat. 64, 264: “querulae tibiae,”

The people repeated the burning of infants with loud instrumental noise "to make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." They instrumentally mocked Jesus as they sacrificed Him

Amos 5:26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images,
        the STAR of your god, which ye made to yourselves.

Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days,
        and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
        and rejoiced in the works of their own hands

Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
        and gave them up to worship the HOST of heaven;

        as it is written in the book of the prophets,
        O ye house of Israel,  have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices
        by the space of forty years in the wilderness?
Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
        and the star of your god Remphan,
        figures which ye made to worship them:

        and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Your crazy uncle thinks that the command to SPEAK the Bible text means to SPEAK the Bible text to TEACH and not to entertain

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« Reply #23 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 11:41:16 »
I hope that all posters here will look at this web site and find out just how far legalism can be taken.    I posted a comment about legalism some days ago and a member here who is of the same denomination as the owner of Piney asked me to give him an example of legalism.   Well, this web site speaks LEGALISM about as loud as it can be spoken.

Yep. In fact it goes one step further than legalism by trying to say that singing and music in praise is evil.  ::eek:: ::eek:: ::eek::God himself sings, and His people have praised and worshiped Him through singing and music throughout the Bible and since.

Zeph 3 v 17

The LORD your God is with you, the Mighty Warrior who saves. He will take great delight in you; in his love he will no longer rebuke you, but will rejoice over you with singing."

I LOVE that verse.  ::smile:: ::smile::
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« Reply #24 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 11:46:33 »
Psalm 150
et Everything Praise the Lord
150 Praise the Lord!
Praise God in his sanctuary;
    praise him in his mighty heavens![a]
2 Praise him for his mighty deeds;
    praise him according to his excellent greatness!
3 Praise him with trumpet sound;
    praise him with lute and harp!
4 Praise him with tambourine and dance;
    praise him with strings and pipe!
5 Praise him with sounding cymbals;
    praise him with loud clashing cymbals!
6 Let everything that has breath praise the Lord!
Praise the Lord!

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« Reply #25 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 14:25:28 »
Speaking of the vocal and instrumental rejoicing at Mount Sinai which was beyond redemption for that generation:

Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
Acts 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

Because God abandoned the Civil-Military-Clergy over to worship the starry host it is logical that Psalm 150 which is not a psalm but a HALAL would try to mount up into the firmament. David was one of those kings God gave in His anger to carry out the captivity and death sentence in Babylon.

This was NOT in the Synagogue which outlawed vocal or instrumental NOISE.  David's PRAISE word is not something you want to do unless God has also abandoned you.  If you want to do it then God wants you to do it as a MARK.

This also defines the MUSES or Apollon's Musical Worship Team at Delphi.  Lucifer is from Halal: Lucifer is called the "singing and harp-playing prostitute" in the garden of Eden.  Lucifer is better documented in the Greek Texts.  He is the FALSE morning star whereas Jesus is the true morning or Day Star:

2Pet. 1:19  We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts

Try to remember that Paul Commanded that we SPEAK psalms, hymns and spiritual songs all "that which is written for our LEARNING."
Kenneth your crazy uncle seems to be almost alone who understand Paul to command that we SPEAK the text.  Speak as LEXIS is the opposite of ODE.

HALAL DEFINED




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« Reply #26 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 14:52:49 »
Sounding Brass and Tinkling Cymbals

Chorus Echo, the nymph of Cithaeron, returns thy words, which resound beneath the dark vaults of the thick foliage and in the midst of the rocks of the forest; the ivy enlaces thy brow with its tendrils charged with flowers.

"cymbalum': cymbala were hollow hemispheres of metal a few inches in diameter, held one in each hand by the aid of small rings or thongs attached to the center of their convex surfaces. Struck together, they gave a sharp, clanging sound that fitted well with that of the tympana and tibiæ; cf. Catul. 64.262 ``tereti tenuis tinnitus ære ciebant''; Ov. Fast. 4.184 ``æra tinnitus ære epulsa dabunt''; Ov. Fast. 4.189 ``sonus æris acuti''; Aus. Epist. 24.23 ``tinnitus atinnitus aëni.eumlaut;ni.''

    Echeo (g2278) ay-kheh'-o; from 2279; to make a loud noise, i.e. reverberate: - roar, sound.

    Echos (g2279) ay'-khos; of uncert. affin.; a loud or confused noise ("echo"), i.e. roar: fig. a rumor: - fame, sound.

"It was probably usual to welcome a king or general with music and dancing...The distinctly religious dance is more frequently mentioned. The clear instances of it in the Bible are the dance of the women of Israel at the Red Sea, headed by Miriam [SOOTHSAYER] with her tambourine (Ex 15:20); the dance of the Israelites round the golden calf (32:19); the dance of the maidens of Shiloah at the annual feast (Jgs 21:19 ff); the leaping or limping of the prophets of Baal round their altar on Carmel (1 K 18:26); and the dancing of David in front of the ark (2 S 6:14-16) (Int. Std. Bible Ency., p. 1169-70).

    "This membranophone, translated in the AV as 'timbrel' and 'tabret,' was not permitted in the Temple, although it was mentioned in the Psalter and in religious hymns" (Ps 150:4; Jer. 31:4) Harrison, Into to OT, p. 988).

Of the tambourine or tabret, Smith's Bible Dictionary notes that&emdash;

"It was used in very early times by the Syrians of Padan-aram at their merry-making (Gen. 31:27). It was played principally by women (Ex. 15:20); Judg. 11:34; 1 Sam. 18:6; Psa lxvii:25 as an accompaniment to the song and dance, and appears to have been worn by them as an ornament (Jer. 31:4)... It is beat with the fingers, and is the Trye tympanum of the ancients, as appears from its figure in several relieves, representing the orgies of Bacchus and rites of Cybele." (Smiths Bible Dictionary, Timbrel)

1Cor. 13:1  Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 15:53:14 »
Kenneth Sublett, I have to give you credit for consistency.   If you have a beef with a person's beliefs you won't even let the Church of Christ brethren off the hook if their beliefs are not consistent with traditional Restoration Movement beliefs.    I'm one who has Restoration Movement, Christian Church and Church of Christ backgrounds, and it's been my experience that Restoration brethren will often overlook extreme doctrinal differences as long as a Church of Christ brother or sister has been baptized according to Restoration beliefs (excusing the Disciples who are rather ecumenical when it comes to baptism).   Maybe you'll get around to expressing your thoughts about Church of Christ folk supporting Evolution, an Old Earth, a local Flood, and so on.   

I may be accused of trying to cause strife here, but what I'm hoping to do is draw some folk from out of the tall grass who will discuss you or your web site when you're not around, but they stay in the tall grass when you are around.   

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« Reply #28 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 16:52:18 »
You will notice that I post the Bible Text, word definitions and historical proof: I have no time to defend "doctrinal differences."  From 1962 and continuing the Christian Church, NACC has been active in "transistioning" peaceable churches of Christ into the instrumental Sect. Both the Christian Standard and the NACC feature men showing how to take over the property of widows and hard workers.  David Faust prepared the "white paper" used by all of those who believe that it is Christian to "infiltrate and divert." That began in about 1884 when the Women brought in the Christian Standard evangelist boasting that "we will take Tennessee for the society and organ party within five years."  That proves that Churches of Christ which have existed in all periods were never unioned with the Disciples-Christians in any sense.

Because Baptists didn't fall into instrumental Sectarianism until around 1900, Churches of Christ were more Baptists than Disciples-Christians which are rooted in Methodists-Anglican-Catholic theology.

I don't have hooks and I am not aware of a First Century Church limited to the Word, Logos or Regulative Principle.  From the SERPENT which was a singing and harp-playing prostitue (says the Spirit of Christ) to Revelation 17-18 the craftsmen, speakers, singers, instrument players are called SORCERERS and will be CAST ALIVE INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

God IS WORD, SPIRIT, LIFE, LIGHT and Jesus was the visible-audible image of whatever God wants to know.  If Scripture always connects instruments with BURNING and telling God you are going to write your own songs and sermons as SCRIPTURE, then no one gets  "private experiences or personal opinions": that would say that Jesus died in vain.

The WORD or LOGOS short version:



God breathing into the prophets called the Spirit OF Christ who defined Messiahs REST FROM whatever both inclusively and exclusively."

Isa 8:19And when they shall say unto you,
        Seek unto them that have familiar spirits,
        and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter:
                should not a people seek unto their God?
                for the living to the dead? 
To the law and to the testimony:
        if they speak not according to this word,
        it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:20

Don't be grasshoppers, let me have it.  Just don't call me a legalist (the worst RACA word) if I quote the whole context.  For instance, the BEAST in Revelation does not have four legs but means "A new style of music or Satyric (cappella) drama.


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« Reply #29 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 17:04:54 »
psalm 100 v 2
Serve the Lord with gladness! Come into his presence with singing!
colossians 3 v 16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
psalm 104 v 33
I will sing to the LORD as long as I live; I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.
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« Reply #30 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 18:36:40 »
Notreligious saidKenneth Sublett, I have to give you credit for consistency.   If you have a beef with a person's beliefs you won't even let the Church of Christ brethren off the hook if their beliefs are not consistent with traditional Restoration Movement beliefs.    I'm one who has Restoration Movement, Christian Church and Church of Christ backgrounds, and it's been my experience that Restoration brethren will often overlook extreme doctrinal differences as long as a Church of Christ brother or sister has been baptized according to Restoration beliefs (excusing the Disciples who are rather ecumenical when it comes to baptism).   Maybe you'll get around to expressing your thoughts about Church of Christ folk supporting Evolution, an Old Earth, a local Flood, and so on.   

I may be accused of trying to cause strife here, but what I'm hoping to do is draw some folk from out of the tall grass who will discuss you or your web site when you're not around, but they stay in the tall grass when you are around. PS if you look in another thread I tried to have an actual discussion with him but he is not able to either address the topic but jut goes off on his music is the devil nonsense.


What a crock.  People do not respond to him because he does not address the topic being discussed and copies and paste the same old rambling over and over again.  You can not have a rational discussion with one who uses no logic and does not engage in any rational discussion and only spews hate for anything that does not fit his delusion. You are letting your hate of the CoC cloud your judgment.  I am no longer a part of the CoC and know the legalist branch has lots to answer for but so does every other group. 
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« Reply #31 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 18:41:47 »
Col. 3:16 Let the WORD of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom;

The Word is the Logos or Regulative Principle and excludes singing, playing instruments, acting or any personal resource. I haven't run into to anyone who uses the WORDS of Christ.  In Ephesians 5 Paul uses SPIRIT.  When God breaths and Jesus articulates His Spirit becomes WORDS as the exclusive resource.

John 6:63 It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I SPEAK unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are LIFE.

Right there you have Jesus SPEAKING and never SINGING in order to TEACH.

TEACHING and ADMONISHING one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,

No  one in my 87 years ever  SPOKE a single psalm, psalm, hymn or spiritual song (all in the book).  Not even sing except maybe psa 23

singing with grace IN YOUR HEART (place) to the Lord.

Col. 3:17 And WHATEVER ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

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« Reply #32 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 18:55:35 »
I am no longer a member either: all of mine have been "infiltrated and diverted" by the instrumentalists.
I thought that someone would want to know contrary to all of scholarship what the Word, Logos or the message of God EXCLUDES so that you can "use one mind and one mouth to speak THAT WHICH IS WRITTEN FOR OUR LEARNING."

If I copy and paste that saves time retyping.  There is no command, example or remote inference of God calling those HE serves out of their rest to engage in group singing with our without instruments. Except at Mount Sinai which was beyond redemption.

So, who do you suppose introduced musical NOISE (God's word) into the School of Christ built upon or educated by the PROPHETS AND APOSTLES as the work of the Spirit OF Christ?  Certainly people should not be called legalists (raca) for not beginning to do what they never did in recorded history.

No one thought that psallo (pluck) had any musical content until the Disciples in 1887 when they tried to collectivize  churches of Christ.  Do you believe in the Regulative Principle?

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« Reply #33 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 18:58:07 »
"Geez, sure is hot down here!  Wish I hadn't robbed all those stores.  What are you down here for?"

"Oh, I played a tuba in church".

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« Reply #34 on: Thu Jul 20, 2017 - 19:12:03 »
Poor lads.

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