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what would God have done
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that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?

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« Reply #1 on: Sat May 26, 2012 - 16:43:30 »
God already knew beforehand how Paul would react.  Our sovereign God knows everything especially about those whom He expressly chooses for His purposes, like Paul.  My thoughts.
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that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?


To me the key is Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow . .

Ephesians 1:4  According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.

Acts 22:14  And he (Ananias) said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee (Paul), that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.

Paul did attempt to make excuses in Acts 22:19, And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee:

Acts 22:16  And now why tarriest thou?

Acts 22:30  . . whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

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« Reply #3 on: Sat May 26, 2012 - 18:43:11 »
that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?

He would have looked for another.

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that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?



He would have looked for another.


Does going against the word of the Lord have its desired results? Thy will be done?

Jonah 1:2  Arise (Jonah), go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it . .

Jonah 1:3  But Jonah rose up to flee . . . unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.

Jonah 1:4 But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea . . . so that the ship was like to be broken.

Jonah 1:17  Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah . .

Jonah 2:1  And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 2:2  Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach . .

Would Paul have fared better than Jonah in refusing when the Lord told him in Acts 22:15,  For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. Would the Lord have prepared an ass or a camel to swallow him up and deliver him to where He wanted him?

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« Reply #5 on: Sat May 26, 2012 - 21:37:25 »

that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?



He would have looked for another.


Does going against the word of the Lord have its desired results? Thy will be done?

Jonah 1:2  Arise (Jonah), go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it . .

Jonah 1:3  But Jonah rose up to flee . . . unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.

Jonah 1:4 But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea . . . so that the ship was like to be broken.

Jonah 1:17  Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah . .

Jonah 2:1  And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 2:2  Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach . .

Would Paul have fared better than Jonah in refusing when the Lord told him in Acts 22:15,  For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. Would the Lord have prepared an ass or a camel to swallow him up and deliver him to where He wanted him?

then do we have a choice???????    ???  ???

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that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?



He would have looked for another.


Does going against the word of the Lord have its desired results? Thy will be done?

Jonah 1:2  Arise (Jonah), go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it . .

Jonah 1:3  But Jonah rose up to flee . . . unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.

Jonah 1:4 But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea . . . so that the ship was like to be broken.

Jonah 1:17  Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah . .

Jonah 2:1  And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 2:2  Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach . .

Would Paul have fared better than Jonah in refusing when the Lord told him in Acts 22:15,  For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. Would the Lord have prepared an ass or a camel to swallow him up and deliver him to where He wanted him?

then do we have a choice???????    ???  ???


Acts 9:5  And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

The urging of our Lord is not to be denied. We hear of "Free will", but even then we read in Philippians 2:13 that He works in us to will, and to do of His good pleasure. How many days in a fish do you think you could take? There are some hardheaded that can resist, continue to do their own thing, and sin unto death. I think I came close, but He would never allow me to not have Him in my heart regardless how much of a prodigal I was.

Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Thank God for this and He ain't done with me yet.

Looking at your own life and how God has dealt with you; have you really had a choice? Can you sincerely say that you could have hidden from God? That would be akin to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:10  And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. What grace God has on us; Genesis 3:21, Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.  

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« Reply #7 on: Sat May 26, 2012 - 22:42:44 »

that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?



He would have looked for another.


Does going against the word of the Lord have its desired results? Thy will be done?

Jonah 1:2  Arise (Jonah), go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it . .

Jonah 1:3  But Jonah rose up to flee . . . unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.

Jonah 1:4 But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea . . . so that the ship was like to be broken.

Jonah 1:17  Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah . .

Jonah 2:1  And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 2:2  Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach . .

Would Paul have fared better than Jonah in refusing when the Lord told him in Acts 22:15,  For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. Would the Lord have prepared an ass or a camel to swallow him up and deliver him to where He wanted him?

then do we have a choice???????    ???  ???


Acts 9:5  And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

The urging of our Lord is not to be denied. We hear of "Free will", but even then we read in Philippians 2:13 that He works in us to will, and to do of His good pleasure. How many days in a fish do you think you could take? There are some hardheaded that can resist, continue to do their own thing, and sin unto death. I think I came close, but He would never allow me to not have Him in my heart regardless how much of a prodigal I was.

Ephesians 2:10  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Thank God for this and He ain't done with me yet.

Looking at your own life and how God has dealt with you; have you really had a choice? Can you sincerely say that you could have hidden from God? That would be akin to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:10  And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. What grace God has on us; Genesis 3:21, Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.  


Larry this is not directed to you my friend

my life sucks, sure i have had prayers answered.

but the headaches, broken bones that wont heal, CANCER!!!!!
more things then i care to post...  im tired of it, im either a child of God or i'm not!!!

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Quote from: fenton link=topic=64333.msg1054702002#msg1054702002


Larry this is not directed to you my friend

my life sucks, sure i have had prayers answered.

but the headaches, broken bones that wont heal, CANCER!!!!!
more things then i care to post...  im tired of it, im either a child of God or i'm not!!!



Dear brother, looking back I cannot remember the date of the start of mt suicide headaches, but they lasted near forty years. I have yet to face cancer, but near everything else the Lord has brought me through sometimes a day at a time. When things have become the worst, I would think of Job, different ones mentioned suffering in Hebrews 11:38 of whom the world was not worthy. The sufferings of Brother Paul, and even then he asked three times to have the thorn in his flesh removed, but it was there for his good.

Romans 8:28  And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. At one of the darkest times of my life I used my vacation to write the following pamphlet on Christian Sufferings. Hopefully they will bless you as they did me.

Christian Sufferings Links Parts One & Two
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/christian-sufferings-part-one-of-two/msg5

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/christian-sufferings-part-two-of-two/  

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 ::prayinghard:: for you Brother Fenton, will talk more later, can't right now, it's almost time for me to head out to Worship, and your comments deserve more attention than I can give at the moment..........

Know that there are those here who care for you and are praying for you............God bless..........

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« Reply #10 on: Sun May 27, 2012 - 09:46:18 »
Larry this is not directed to you my friend

my life sucks, sure i have had prayers answered.

but the headaches, broken bones that wont heal, CANCER!!!!!
more things then i care to post...  im tired of it, im either a child of God or i'm not!!!

Ah, Lord God...my heart hurts for Fenton today.  Draw near to him now...bring to his mind remembrances of your word and wash him in it.  I pray waves of mercy and grace would crash over him and that he would hear the applause of Heaven today.  Comfort his mind, bring comfort to his battered and beaten up body. His spirits are low, lift his head, Father.  Give him the peace that passes all understanding, for what he shares so *so* hard to understand, Lord God!  Let him know that he is Yours.  Let him find comfort in You arms of love.
In Jesus name
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Larry this is not directed to you my friend

my life sucks, sure i have had prayers answered.

but the headaches, broken bones that wont heal, CANCER!!!!!
more things then i care to post...  im tired of it, im either a child of God or i'm not!!!



Dear brother, looking back I cannot remember the date of the start of mt suicide headaches, but they lasted near forty years. I have yet to face cancer, but near everything else the Lord has brought me through sometimes a day at a time. When things have become the worst, I would think of Job, different ones mentioned suffering in Hebrews 11:38 of whom the world was not worthy. The sufferings of Brother Paul, and even then he asked three times to have the thorn in his flesh removed, but it was there for his good.

Romans 8:28  And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. At one of the darkest times of my life I used my vacation to write the following pamphlet on Christian Sufferings. Hopefully they will bless you as they did me.

Christian Sufferings Links Parts One & Two
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/christian-sufferings-part-one-of-two/msg5

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/christian-sufferings-part-two-of-two/  


Pauls faith is beyond my understanding, to suffer as he did and to continue in his faith.

I know i have serious weak areas in my life.  and there are times when things happen that i say thank you Jesus for teaching me that.

 there is a big difference between stubbing your toe and having it tore off to teach some one a lesson

maybe I am due for some serious trials in my life, I have gone along time with life to easy, except for the headaches.

I do not know anymore

sorry about the pity party. im done!


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Dear brother, if others have not experienced the doubts, the praying for deliverance that does not seemingly come in time, being angry with God, and yet knowing you have no other cure for the pain you are going through; they have normally went very few miles with our Lord.

Job said it this way: Job 3:3  Let the day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived. (I wish I had never been born).

Jonah 3:10   Concerning Nineveh, "God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."

Jonah 4:1   But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.

Dear Father, as with David when he prayed "Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit," please touch this dear saint today with gladness, rejoicing, and hope that only You can bestow in us that believe, and I do ask this in Jesus' name. Amen.

This comes to mind in Isaiah 61:3, To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

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« Reply #13 on: Sun May 27, 2012 - 12:14:09 »
Dear Fenton,
I'm sorry for what you're going through.  Sometimes it's when we reach our lowest point is when God comes through in a big way.  Yes, you are a child of God and yes you are suffering.  Many of us here are praying for you as they read your words.  There is strength in the power of prayer.  Remember nothing is impossible with God even though to us it seems impossible and we want to end it right there.  Through your tears and endless prayers, our mighty God sees your heart.  May He bless you and surround you with His healing Spirit.
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« Reply #14 on: Sun May 27, 2012 - 18:47:56 »
that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?

My guess is he would have turned in his badge.

God knows all things past, present, future, and all the variables. Otherwise God would not be God.

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« Reply #15 on: Sun May 27, 2012 - 21:03:49 »

that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?



He would have looked for another.


Does going against the word of the Lord have its desired results? Thy will be done?

Jonah 1:2  Arise (Jonah), go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it . .

Jonah 1:3  But Jonah rose up to flee . . . unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.

Jonah 1:4 But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea . . . so that the ship was like to be broken.

Jonah 1:17  Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah . .

Jonah 2:1  And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 2:2  Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach . .

Would Paul have fared better than Jonah in refusing when the Lord told him in Acts 22:15,  For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. Would the Lord have prepared an ass or a camel to swallow him up and deliver him to where He wanted him?

then do we have a choice???????    ???  ???

"Choice" is a relative term. In reality every choice has a cause behind it.

It's much like the word "random," where in reality there's actually no such thing as "random." Every occurrence has a cause.

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« Reply #16 on: Tue May 29, 2012 - 04:06:38 »
that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?

Conjecture  is  folly.

Yet in anwer .God was not put on the back foot when Adam sinned.

The salvation of God was predetermined.

Sin must come but woe to him b ywhom it comes.

The fact is that God is more than able to LEAD a man step by step  to Christ.
Moreover hwo to convince a man of the truth.

saul was steeped in the scriptures  what he saw on that day in that place  convinced him this was the LORD who was of old and who Abaraham saw moses and the rest.

You would seem also to sugest  a man and clay at that  can resist God.

Woe to the man who in his strength resists God  for God may make him stronger to do so to his own destruction.

You are forgettting the context.

Saul had just watched the death of Stephen.

he was party to it and agreed with it and thougth it was Gods will.

yet What sayeth the scripture?

They overcame the devil by the blood of the lamb and the word of thier testomomany"
The testomonay  of Stephen  and the manner of his death stormed the citadels of Sauls mind  and over came all obsiticals  and brpoke downevery vaim imagination and stronghold in that high place.

he was alone  on that road in his thoughts  which led him to a point .

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« Reply #17 on: Tue May 29, 2012 - 16:56:56 »
that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?

He would have looked for another.


Like he did with Jonah?

NOT!

God's Will is Sovereign ALWAYS!

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« Reply #18 on: Tue May 29, 2012 - 17:19:29 »
God already knew beforehand how Paul would react.  Our sovereign God knows everything especially about those whom He expressly chooses for His purposes, like Paul.  My thoughts.
Candy

God chooses us all, He will deny no one, but not all choose Him and His way and His way is for us to be as these before us were. It is a matter of obediance, you do it or you dont do it. Either you are like Him or you are not. That is your choice, He already has given His desire for us to be like Him and one with Him.

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« Reply #19 on: Thu May 31, 2012 - 17:55:46 »

that day on the road to damascus, what would God have done if paul hadnt believed? changed?



He would have looked for another.


Does going against the word of the Lord have its desired results? Thy will be done?

Jonah 1:2  Arise (Jonah), go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it . .

Jonah 1:3  But Jonah rose up to flee . . . unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.

Jonah 1:4 But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea . . . so that the ship was like to be broken.

Jonah 1:17  Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah . .

Jonah 2:1  And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 2:2  Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach . .

Would Paul have fared better than Jonah in refusing when the Lord told him in Acts 22:15,  For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. Would the Lord have prepared an ass or a camel to swallow him up and deliver him to where He wanted him?

then do we have a choice???????    ???  ???

Though it may seem as if it was a sudden thing on the road to demascusto our eyes it was not .No man sudenly gets converted though it may seem so.People are LED to the truth.
Those willing to follow find it.
The great fish that swallowed Jonah is said of in scripture that "God prepared a great fish"
That great fish was but a minnow once .
Gods forvision makes provision.
He knew how to get Jonah back on the right track and thus prepared a way where there was no way.

Im not sure what is yoru complaint?

That is was God chose you and not yourself chose God?

Man is not God.

Even the heart of king lieth in the hand of God.How much the more  a blind zealot who thought he did Gods will?

You forget what we are?
God does not violate in any way shape or form the intergrity of a man  nor his mind and will.
In that he created man out of the dust of the earth do you think it impossible  for God to use the very substance of our lives to not only form the character that he wants but also lead us to the truth when we dont take heed to His word?
I say that it is not and that he does .

In Christ

gerald

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« Reply #20 on: Thu May 31, 2012 - 18:31:10 »
My first thought was "slap Paul off his horse again."

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« Reply #22 on: Sat Jun 02, 2012 - 10:43:05 »
My first thought was "slap Paul off his horse again."

Jarrod


does He keep slaping us off of our horse when we dont listen to Him??