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The Crucifixion Four aspects of Christ and his suffering
« on: Sat Apr 11, 2020 - 16:01:34 »
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a little I know
Who is Jehovah God, He is so brilliant with light, no sin or man can get near or see him, that death is instant. So as we see in our sinful nature we cannot come to God in any form, no flesh can please God, neither our works nor deeds or sacrifices, nothing at all can please God. We are so lost in our condition, we might think our goods will outweigh our bad deeds, but one thing we must not forget; we still have a sinful nature.
We need something awesome to redeem us from our sinful nature; something must change in our lives. 
So what is the answer, our solution?  What can God do to change our nature, he is so brilliant with light, and nothing is unapproachable to him, instant death. God is going to do something to make us righteous and pure, to make us his sons and daughters and may reign with him forever and ever.
He gives us new birth, in this birth he gives us a new heart and a right spirit within that we will walk in his statutes and commandments. He saves us from grace, he gives us something we do not deserve, and by grace, we are saved. In his grace as a child, he begins to discipline us, punishes the wicked, and brings us back, but still, our sins must be Justify for, the wages of sin is death.
God makes a decision of sending a substitute, one person to take the penalty for all sins, for all mankind, for all ages. Jesus Christ stands for our sins as the substitute. He put all of our guilt, all our shame, burdens, and sins on him. All we have done from birth to adulthood, every miserable, dirty, rotten sin on Jesus Christ, starting from Adam.

Romans 3: 25.  Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 

This means to me, for the Old Testament, shedding of blood, covering of skins, and sacrifice, was a foreshadowing of what was to come. Jesus will be the final sacrifice, from Adam to the cross, all sins were stored up, and then God punished all sins from Adam to the time of the cross, once and for all in one person, Jesus Christ. Likewise, he punished Jesus for all sins of all mankind to the present and eternity. So that when we think of the sacrifice of Jesus, it is the sacrifice of the Son of God for mankind, all the sin was placed upon Jesus and he paid the penalty. What makes a person acceptable in the eyes of God, the realization that only Jesus Christ can atone our sins? His son was the ultimate sacrifice, nothing can be done, and we cannot be saved, unless we go through the sacrifice he gave for our sins. He judged his only Son, who was absolutely just, totally sinless, perfect, pure, righteous, just like God and God condemned him, all his wrath would come upon him. Why would God do that if there was any other way, God made no other way? Not by works of righteousness but by his mercy only can we be saved? The Son of God, his death at Calvary that makes you acceptable and just in the eyes of God. Jesus had to be crucified, death had to be an outside source, to get sick and die would have been a violation of God’s principle. The public crucifixion was a public demonstration of God’s hatred for sin, and God’s love for mankind. His public crucifixion was a demonstration between two thieves, this awesome God allowing his son the full impact of judgment upon him. Publically, those who loved and hated him saw it; God was demonstrating publically what his justice against sin, his love for mankind.
                             
Four aspects of Christ and his suffering

(1) physical suffering, stretched him on the cross, drove stakes into his hands and feet and then crucifixion, was a death of slow suffocation, every time he wanted to breathe the pain in his wrist and hands, then his feet once he could no longer use the wrist and hands. From the tip of his fingers to the tip of his toes and all in between, he felt the horrible pain of crucifixion.

(2) All the guilt for all the sin of all mankind, God the Father said, he bore our sin in his body and said this that Jesus Christ on the cross became the object of God’s judgment and punishment. On top of that, he took our shame, guilt, sins, complaints, selfishness, pride and every drop of our faults, we are just one of these persons, multiply the guilt, shame, sins, etc. by a billion people, you and I could never begin to acknowledge it. The crucifixion was not just a man dying, it was the son of God, which hated sin, had no part of sin, which was bearing the guilt, the awesome powerful weight of all of mankind.

(3) part of his suffering was the fact that those he loved, the disciples which he ate, slept and taught with, he shared the revelation of the truth of God with them, things no one had ever heard, here he was crying out to His Father on the toughest night if it is you will let this cup pass over me, the disciples fell asleep in his moment of need. When he was hanging on the cross, he said my God, my God why have you forsaken me, it was bad enough he was abandoned by his friends, but abandoned by his heavenly father, my God, my God why have you forsaken me. He knew why he came, to give his life for a ransom for many.  When God saw him he saw him as sin, the sin-bearer. All the judgment of God came upon Jesus. All that God saw in Jesus was pure sin. All the judgment of God came on sin that he had hated so much; the wickedness of sin poured down his fury came upon him. The object of God’s hatred and animosity.

(4) All the sin stored up all those years, God in all his fury and hatred of sin came upon the Lord Jesus Christ, he punished Jesus for your sin and my sin. Everything God the Father hated about the sin he punished Jesus with, wave after wave of God’s wrath, wave after wave of God’s judgment, then it subsided and Jesus said it was finished. The final sacrifice, the atonement of the son of mankind. Suddenly it was over and then Jesus said, into thy hands I commend my spirit, there is no death like the death of Jesus, cause no one ever bore the weight of our sin or the wrath of God as he did. The grace of God the Father. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

I AM CRUCIFIED.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless, I live: yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify: and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Galatians 2:20; Matthew 23:34; Romans 6:6-8; Galatians 5:11;
Matthew 27:38; Colossians 2:11                                                                                                               

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Re: The Crucifixion Four aspects of Christ and his suffering
« Reply #1 on: Tue Apr 14, 2020 - 06:10:48 »
Greetings The WordIsOne,
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Four aspects of Christ and his suffering;
(2) All the guilt for all the sin of all mankind, God the Father said, he bore our sin in his body and said this that Jesus Christ on the cross became the object of God’s judgment and punishment.

(3) He knew why he came, to give his life for a ransom for many. When God saw him he saw him as sin, the sin bearer. All the judgment of God came upon Jesus. All that God saw in Jesus was pure sin. All the judgment of God came on sin that he had hated so much; the wickedness of sin poured down his fury came upon him. The object of God’s hatred and animosity.

(4) All the sin stored up all those years, God in all his fury and hatred of sin came upon the Lord Jesus Christ, he punished Jesus for your sin and my sin. Everything God the Father hated about sin he punished Jesus with, wave after wave of God’s wrath, wave after wave of God’s judgment, then it subsided and Jesus said it was finished. … there is no death like the death of Jesus, cause no one ever bore the weight of our sin or the wrath of God as he did.
God was not angry with Jesus, and God did not see Jesus as sin, but as the sinless one and God was not punishing him.

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Re: The Crucifixion Four aspects of Christ and his suffering
« Reply #2 on: Wed Apr 15, 2020 - 00:58:16 »
Man does not have a sinful nature, he is made in the image of God, but he is marred with his sins.

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Man does not have a sinful nature, he is made in the image of God, but he is marred with his sins.

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Re: The Crucifixion Four aspects of Christ and his suffering
« Reply #4 on: Wed Apr 15, 2020 - 23:41:24 »
Greetings johntwayne,
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Man does not have a sinful nature, he is made in the image of God, but he is marred with his sins.
I suggest that this depends on how we define a sinful nature. The term “sinful flesh” is used in the following and this is a pivotal verse on the subject:
Romans 8:3 (KJV): For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
“Sinful flesh” here could be translated as “flesh of sin” and this is set in the context of Romans 7 that speaks of the experience of a man under the Law that found that the commandments did not help in bringing obedience, but in a way awakened sin. He then speaks of his continual failure to follow his own conscience. The word sin in Romans 8:3 is a personification of the word and idea of sin, or a metonymy. I go one step further than many as I believe that not only do we inherit a nature prone to sin, but that Jesus also inherited this nature. The difference with Jesus is that he always overcame the lusts of the flesh. This is part of a correct understanding of what is represented by the crucifixion of Jesus. The need to demonstrate the crucifixion of the flesh and the lusts thereof.
Galatians 5:24 (KJV): And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
The teaching of Romans 7 and 8 and Galatians 5:24 clearly open up the concept that the sacrifice of Jesus was as our representative, not as a substitute. The concept that God was angry with Jesus is contrary to this exposition by Paul.

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