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Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« on: February 20, 2012, 12:31:11 PM »
Many threads about grace have been started and having look through them, I have not found one yet that proves salvation is by 'grace alone'.  (A book some person wrote does not prove it, sorry)

Here is a thread where those who believe salvation is by grace alone can post that mysterious, elusive verse.  The only qualifier I have is that any verse(s) posted must already have the word "only" or "alone" in it, that is, either word cannot be added to or assumed into the verse.  If people could add to or assume ideas into the bible then everyone, anyone can make the bible say whatever they desire for it to say.

"Grace" and "grace only" are not the same things.

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Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 12:48:54 PM »
Show me the verse that says "Christ did His part and we must do our part"?  Word for word, Gomer.

We are saved by God's grace through faith, not of works lest any man should boast.

How about your obedience?  Praiseworthy?  It must be because I know Christ's part is holy and wholly praiseworthy.  So your part must be too, right?

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 12:53:10 PM »
Wow both of you are being silly. You're purposefully wasting each other's time by choosing phrases that you know aren't in the Bible and demnading they be cited as if what the phrases are teaching can not be found in Sacred Scripture without the verbatim clutch you have placed on it.

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 12:58:31 PM »
Show me the verse that says "Christ did His part and we must do our part"?  Word for word, Gomer.

We are saved by God's grace through faith, not of works lest any man should boast.

How about your obedience?  Praiseworthy?  It must be because I know Christ's part is holy and wholly praiseworthy.  So your part must be too, right?


You answer a question with a question.

All I am asking for is that verse that says salvation is by 'grace alone".  Why did you not post a verse?

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 01:00:41 PM »
Wow both of you are being silly. You're purposefully wasting each other's time by choosing phrases that you know aren't in the Bible and demnading they be cited as if what the phrases are teaching can not be found in Sacred Scripture without the verbatim clutch you have placed on it.

Salvation is either by grace alone or it's not, I am just asking for what verse(s) that says salvation is by grace alone. 

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 01:05:41 PM »
Wow both of you are being silly. You're purposefully wasting each other's time by choosing phrases that you know aren't in the Bible and demnading they be cited as if what the phrases are teaching can not be found in Sacred Scripture without the verbatim clutch you have placed on it.

Salvation is either by grace alone or it's not, I am just asking for what verse(s) that says salvation is by grace alone. 

Using that empty thought process an unitarian could say that either God is the Trinity or not and demand the verses where the word Trinity is used verbatim. Since no verses use the word Trinity said unitarian could claim that the Trinity must not be Bible-based.

Both are silly standards because the Trinity is infact taught in the Bible if not quoted verbatim. IMHO, if you care about orthodoxy you should not be so....shallow.

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 01:06:04 PM »
Here is a thread where those who believe salvation is by grace alone can post that mysterious, elusive verse.  The only qualifier I have is that any verse(s) posted must already have the word "only" or "alone" in it, that is, either word cannot be added to or assumed into the verse.  If people could add to or assume ideas into the bible then everyone, anyone can make the bible say whatever they desire for it to say.

"Grace" and "grace only" are not the same things.

Here is one that "should" make an impact on your heart...though "only" and "alone" can not be found...it is evident that the "the Grace of God" was found in "the Cross"....and "our righteousness" gains "nothing".  

Galatians 2:21...I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!

Honestly Gomer; do you think your effort compares?

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 01:12:05 PM »
Wow both of you are being silly. You're purposefully wasting each other's time by choosing phrases that you know aren't in the Bible and demnading they be cited as if what the phrases are teaching can not be found in Sacred Scripture without the verbatim clutch you have placed on it.

Salvation is either by grace alone or it's not, I am just asking for what verse(s) that says salvation is by grace alone. 

Using that empty thought process an unitarian could say that either God is the Trinity or not and demand the verses where the word Trinity is used verbatim. Since no verses use the word Trinity said unitarian could claim that the Trinity must not be Bible-based.

Both are silly standards because the Trinity is infact taught in the Bible if not quoted verbatim. IMHO, if you care about orthodoxy you should not be so....shallow.


I understand what you are saying but grace and grace alone are not the same thing as you are talking about.  Either salvation is by grace by itself (grace alone) or it is by grace plus something else.

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 01:14:05 PM »
Here is a thread where those who believe salvation is by grace alone can post that mysterious, elusive verse.  The only qualifier I have is that any verse(s) posted must already have the word "only" or "alone" in it, that is, either word cannot be added to or assumed into the verse.  If people could add to or assume ideas into the bible then everyone, anyone can make the bible say whatever they desire for it to say.

"Grace" and "grace only" are not the same things.

Here is one that "should" make an impact on your heart...though "only" and "alone" can not be found...it is evident that the "the Grace of God" was found in "the Cross"....and "our righteousness" gains "nothing".  

Galatians 2:21...I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!

Honestly Gomer; do you think your effort compares?

At least you admitted that the verse does not say we are saved by grace alone or grace only.  Try again.

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 01:20:12 PM »
Wow both of you are being silly. You're purposefully wasting each other's time by choosing phrases that you know aren't in the Bible and demnading they be cited as if what the phrases are teaching can not be found in Sacred Scripture without the verbatim clutch you have placed on it.

Salvation is either by grace alone or it's not, I am just asking for what verse(s) that says salvation is by grace alone.  

Using that empty thought process an unitarian could say that either God is the Trinity or not and demand the verses where the word Trinity is used verbatim. Since no verses use the word Trinity said unitarian could claim that the Trinity must not be Bible-based.

Both are silly standards because the Trinity is infact taught in the Bible if not quoted verbatim. IMHO, if you care about orthodoxy you should not be so....shallow.


I understand what you are saying but grace and grace alone are not the same thing as you are talking about.  Either salvation is by grace by itself (grace alone) or it is by grace plus something else.

I think this can be interesting.

If you would humor me I would like for you to define what "grace" means to you.

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 01:21:55 PM »
"Grace" and "grace only" are not the same things.

Why not? Because it doesn't fit your little man-made, man-concocted, cut-n-paste "five finger exercise"?

Ephesians 2:8 is the obvous answer - which you realize, so you move to pre-empt it by simply asserting it doesn't mean what it says.

So let's back up to Ephesians 2:5 - I know, I know, you will raise your tired, ridiculous objection that the one word you're fixated on isn't there - and let's pick up verse 4 as well, for context...

"But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved."

Our loving God, in his mercy, made dead people alive. Dead people. Made alive.

Unless you can come up with one - just one - example of a dead person raising themselves to life - your point is moot. Not to menton ignorant.


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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 01:35:04 PM »
Here is a thread where those who believe salvation is by grace alone can post that mysterious, elusive verse.  The only qualifier I have is that any verse(s) posted must already have the word "only" or "alone" in it, that is, either word cannot be added to or assumed into the verse.  If people could add to or assume ideas into the bible then everyone, anyone can make the bible say whatever they desire for it to say.

"Grace" and "grace only" are not the same things.

Here is one that "should" make an impact on your heart...though "only" and "alone" can not be found...it is evident that the "the Grace of God" was found in "the Cross"....and "our righteousness" gains "nothing".  

Galatians 2:21...I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!

Honestly Gomer; do you think your effort compares?

At least you admitted that the verse does not say we are saved by grace alone or grace only.  Try again.

I don't have to try again for "anything"...including salvation!  I have the grace of God; through the sacrificial Death of Jesus.

You on the other hand...appear to be in a continual "try again state"; which only leads to death...because all your efforts gain nothing!

It is Jesus...

or

It is Gomer...

Where do you place your trust?

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 01:56:44 PM »
Titus 2:11  For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Gomer I could not even count on both hands as to how many topics on grace you have either started or joined into and you refuse to believe salvation is by grace only. We do not have to work for something that is already given freely to those who have faith to believe it is all free, paid for, nothing we can earn.

Our works are those continued works of Christ in Matthew 25:1-40 and if you think we have to earn our way into heaven then I suggest you read and reread these two verses.

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 02:38:57 PM »
Titus 2:11  For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Eph 2:8  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9  Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 ::smile:: I am glad I read all the way to the end of this thread before I posted, because you already took care of the verses that popped into my head about this topic.

Pretty hard to ignore IMO.  For the GRACE of God brings salvation, it is a GIFT of God not of works so that NO MAN CAN BOAST!

 ::smile::

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Re: Where's that "Grace Alone" verse at?
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 03:00:02 PM »
Show me the verse that says "Christ did His part and we must do our part"?  Word for word, Gomer.

We are saved by God's grace through faith, not of works lest any man should boast.

How about your obedience?  Praiseworthy?  It must be because I know Christ's part is holy and wholly praiseworthy.  So your part must be too, right?
Your view of "faith" is skewed.