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« on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 02:12:11 »
No selection for church of Christ for we simple Christians?

I found the rest of the choices confusing.

The Classless CoC's? Do they dress funny, make rude noises, keep their mouth open while eating and show up for dinner uninvited?

One Cup CoC's is that a size description like that dandy wee dog the Mexicans have which fit in a cup? Or a financial description that can only afford one cup? Hygiene consideration?

The Institutional CoC's is that like Morris' prison ministry?

Are the Instrumental CoCs movers and shakers? Instrumental in their community?

Barry, let me guess, you are a sorter for the postal service!
 

I do like David's question!

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[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (david johnson @ Aug. 13 2002,6:19)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]bh:

which a-theist movement are you from? :p

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There is only one. :)  :p  :0  :D  :0  :p

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« Reply #2 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 12:16:21 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--][!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]bh:

which a-theist movement are you from? :p

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There is only one. :)  :p[/quote]
bh:

i disagree. :)  the atheist camp is in as much disarray as some of the churches. :0
they can't agree on whether they are-
humanist atheist
secularist atheist
buddhist
humanistic judaist
etc.... :0
the movement is united only in believing it can't believe.
 ;)
i think our emoticon duel is running low on ammo, you got any more?

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« Reply #3 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 17:43:53 »
I am very glad that some of you have discovered a new toy. But please do not abuse the poll capabilities. And, by all means, think the poll through before you post it.

If we have too many polls, people will lose interest. It is all ready happening.

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Aug 15, 2002 - 19:36:13 »
thanx duck:

don't put too much stock in what i wrote, it was just an 'i think'.  i have no idea what 'others' they felt that way toward.
protestants, i suppose.  perhaps someone else can expound a bit better.

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« Reply #5 on: Fri Aug 16, 2002 - 17:03:05 »
A couple quotes along these lines:

"I do not substitute obedience to one commandment, for universal or even general obedience. It is the image of Christ the Christian looks for and loves; and this does not consist in being exact in a few items, but in general devotion to the whole truth so far as known... he who infers that none are Christians but the immersed, as greatly errs as he who affirms that none are alive but those of clear and full vision... every one who despises any ordinance of Christ, or who is willingly ignorant of it, cannot be a Christian; still I should sin against my own convictions should I teach any one to think that if he mistook the meaning of any institution, while in his soul he disired to know the whole will of God, he must perish forever."
Alexander Campbell, 1837

"I blush for my fellows, who hold up the Bible as the bond of union yet make their opinions of it a test of fellowship; who plead for union of all Christians; yet refuse to fellowship with such as dissent from their notions. Vain men! Their zeal is not according to knowledge, nor is their spirit that of Christ. Such antisectarian-sectarians are doing more mischief to the cause, and advancement of truth, the unity of Christians, and the salvation of the world than all the skeptics in the world. In fact, they create skeptics."
Barton Stone, 1835

How many people, B.H., including yourself were raised among hateful and bull-headed "Christians" and now find yourself not believing in God at all? On behalf of those who wear the name of Christian who might be responsible for your departing from belief in God, I apologize. May that spirit stop with me and be ended in my life forever.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed Aug 21, 2002 - 04:08:19 »
Which part of the Restoration movement am I from?  I am from the part that stresses the unity of all believers in Jesus Christ.  That was the original intent of the Restoration Movement, and if we got back to that intent, our churches would grow so fast we would have to knock the walls out.

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« Reply #8 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 02:19:59 »
Booty,
Classless CoC very funny description.  This brings up a point I was thinking about today.  Being that I am not CoC and have just been involved in this for a short time I was wondering how many on the board are not Restoration Movment people.  I sometimes feel that I am out of the loop.  There are some real heavy thinkers on this board.  I have benefited.   I am a Christian first off who is a member of the Assemblies of God Fellowship.  When I first came here it said discussion for restoration Christians.  I felt I may be intruding.  I am so glad you all welcomed me.  These discussions have been real eye openers for me and have helped me minister more effectively.  Thanks.
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[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (Booty @ Aug. 13 2002,7:12)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]No selection for church of Christ for we simple Christians?

I found the rest of the choices confusing.

The Classless CoC's? Do they dress funny, make rude noises, keep their mouth open while eating and show up for dinner uninvited?

One Cup CoC's is that a size description like that dandy wee dog the Mexicans have which fit in a cup? Or a financial description that can only afford one cup? Hygiene consideration?

The Institutional CoC's is that like Morris' prison ministry?

Are the Instrumental CoCs movers and shakers? Instrumental in their community?

Barry, let me guess, you are a sorter for the postal service!
 

I do like David's question![/quote]
Church of Christ-other

That was put there especially for your consideration, Brojees.
By the way you are not making fun of me here at all but people you claim to be brethren "in Christ."  If that is the way you treat your relatives BOOTY, I do not blame them for not wanting anything to do with you down in Venezuela.

I can see you are in the gall of bitterness.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 03:48:55 »
Patrick,

I really would not let it bother you, I believe you are welcome here. Actually if you haven't noted allow me to clarify, I am not CoC either. I am simply coC. As I have stated before, I believe if I had to relocate to the states, I would most likely be DoC. But then there seems to be a lot more diversity in the states so ??

Personally when I traveled extensively, I listened for the Spirit and congregated where I found the Lord's work being done. Now that probably causes nightmares for the legalists, but then much that we do seems to cause them nightmares anyway.

Patrick, do you worry what name is on the door? I can not, (No Door!) But that doesn't stop us from sharing in fellowship with our brethren every Sunday and most of the week in between. Do not let it bother you either.

Actually Patrick the only here who seems particularly concerned about what flavour we are individually is our confused atheist!


Barry,

When people place so much importance in labels that it leads them to division, I have to laugh at them. To keep from crying lad, there is too much work to be done to waste our time worrying over the number of cups.

By the way, I seriously have no idea what a Non Class CoC is and that is what got me started. The first one was so much fun, I just had to try the others. Do you think the Lord doesn't laugh at our foolishness lad? He has a sense of humor, just look at the platypus! And if He did not, the Emerald Island would have been fried by lightning years back.

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« Reply #11 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 03:55:17 »
Booty,
Thanks for the kind words and the encouragement.  I must confess I am a recovering church door name looker.  The Lord is still working on me and I have a long way to go.  People like you help me with the process.
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« Reply #12 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 06:35:10 »
I nulled my vote because the choices are a little misleading.

The "instrumental" Church of Christ is part of the independent Christian Church which is neither non-instrument nor Disciples of Christ.  I'm not sure what "Christian Church - Liberal" is supposed to mean.  Most of those folks would be DoC.

Sad, but true story:  In Kentucky we have "instrumental" and "non-instrumental" Churches of Christ.  One of the NI churches wanted to make certain no one confused them with the instrument bunch, so their church sign reads:

"X" church of Christ
 (non-Christian)

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry...

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« Reply #13 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 14:06:56 »
There are more emoticons out there to be had, but I have no idea how to import them so that they have yellow substance.

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« Reply #14 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 17:02:22 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote (pdwblw @ Aug. 13 2002,7:19)[/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]Booty,
Classless CoC very funny description.  This brings up a point I was thinking about today.  Being that I am not CoC and have just been involved in this for a short time I was wondering how many on the board are not Restoration Movment people.  I sometimes feel that I am out of the loop.  There are some real heavy thinkers on this board.  I have benefited.   I am a Christian first off who is a member of the Assemblies of God Fellowship.  When I first came here it said discussion for restoration Christians.  I felt I may be intruding.  I am so glad you all welcomed me.  These discussions have been real eye openers for me and have helped me minister more effectively.  Thanks.
Patrick[/quote]
I am a Christian who is currently a member of a Baptist church. I grew up in a non-institutional coc though. I really like this board. It has helped me to learn about some of the things I always questioned. I think it's good for anybody.

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« Reply #15 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 21:38:06 »
I won't vote in the poll, but I do have a question.

What was the RM trying to restore?

The New Testament Church

or

New Testament Christianity?

I ask this in all seriousness, hoping that someone who has done a great deal of study on the RM (I know there are some on this board who have) can tell me more about what drove the movement.

If it was the New Testament Church they were trying to restore, then that was a mistake, in my opinion.

If it was New Testament Christianity, then we haven't gotten there yet - if we truely lived NT Christianity, the rest would have taken care of itself (maybe I'm too idealistic, but that's the way it should be!).

Instead of NT Christianity, we (those of us in chruches that sprung from the RM) have even more denominations than when the whole thing started.

Anyway, some help with what Campbell/Stone, et al where tyring for would be helpful.

Thanks.

In Him,

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« Reply #16 on: Thu Aug 15, 2002 - 17:14:14 »
Duck >>>"What's the conclusion?  To me, it is that the RM failed in what it was trying to do.

What's the future?  That, to me, is still very cloudy.  All I can do is trust the Lord, let Him guide my heart, mind and body through His Holy Spirit, and I can encourage others to seek Him and His will."<<<<

That is absolutely the answer for us all.

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« Reply #17 on: Fri Aug 16, 2002 - 14:41:36 »
I have heard it said that CoC-ers who sit stodgily back, hook their thumbs under their suspenders, and claim to have "restored" the Church, are wrong, because the Restoration is a lifelong project. (Ask anyone who restores old cars...)

Therefore, those who look at the stopped-short ones and the crusty ones, the unenlightened ones and the heartless ones, and say "they have failed to restore", are also wrong.  The Restoration is a lifelong project.

The opera ain't over 'til Gabriel swings!

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« Reply #18 on: Fri Aug 16, 2002 - 17:36:05 »
I believe God is getting exactly what he wants done. Men have tried from the beginning to mess up his plans but in the end, our very attempts to hijack his intent have only led to their fulfillment.

The Pharisees were a group bent on getting the Messiah to come and so they worked to restore the Jewish faith. The Messiah did come, and because of the teaching they did to young Jews many were ready and able to recognize Him as the Savior. What is ironic is the very people who were trying to get it done, those who began the restoration, denied that He was.

Today the CofC hardline are helping again to restore the church, just not in the way they think. History is repeating itself. More and more people are coming to the conclusion that this God of the hardline is not the God of the Bible. They are being pushed to search and they are finding the grace of God in place of the law they were taught. They were pushed to Christ by the very people who said they knew the way.

Over the years the legalistic have pushed many to focus in on why we are saved, by Jesus Christ and He alone, so man has failed at his restoration but God seems to be succeeding quite nicely. This board is a testament, not to the power of man, but the power of God.

Lets continue the restoration, God's way. I pray that we will never see a day like the time of Noah when man is no longer concerned with restoration.

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« Reply #19 on: Fri Aug 16, 2002 - 16:43:48 »
duck, it IS a constant going forward, even with our tendency to turn and run, when things get difficult. Sooo glad God allows for that nature. If we get the attitude of "arrival", that will produce arrogance and a lack of seeking what God would want to show us, as we think we already know. As of this month, I have been a Christian for 32 years, and the thing I know most, is how little I've always known. It makes life exciting as I keep looking for truth, because I I have had so little of it, even with all the things I've learned. There's so much more to this walk than I ever could have imagined. Everytime God undoes a certain position I'VE held, it gets me rejoicing for how great and patient He has been and how beautiful His truth is. He keeps turning on lights.

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« Reply #20 on: Fri Aug 16, 2002 - 20:17:58 »
If individuals who have stopped short & claimed completion of the Restoration goals in their own lives are wrong, that's one thing, but please don't declare the movement dead 'cause of them.

God's movement moves.

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« Reply #21 on: Sat Aug 17, 2002 - 04:51:10 »
Here's something to think about, especially those of us who think we are restorationists.

The "RM" started out as an "rm" but along the way its name was changed to the more formal "RM".  Now what was the "RM" when it was the "rm" before it became the "RM"?

Hint:  if you have read Leroy Garrett's book on the Stone-Campbell Movement then you know the answer.  I think he answers the question in the 1st chapter.

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« Reply #22 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 01:19:30 »
bh:

which a-theist movement are you from? :p

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« Reply #23 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 02:53:11 »
I love the coC "roots" here, if you wanna put it that way; I stand a chance of speaking the "same language" as someone else when I enter into an exchange of ideas...

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« Reply #24 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 04:57:15 »
Patrick,
I appreciate your spirit and love of the Lord. You are welcome here, please do not feel in any way out of place. I consider this to be an open forum where you don't have to subscribe to any certain creed at all.

By the way, was in Springfield, MO last weekend. Is Evangel University part of your group? Met a nice young man who attends school there. He was working as a waiter at the Village Rest. and was interested in talking to me about the Greek New Testament.

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« Reply #25 on: Wed Aug 14, 2002 - 16:20:30 »
Nerdneh,
Thanks for your kind words.  Yes Evangel is an Assemblies of God college.  Springlfield is where the headquarters of the
fellowship are.
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« Reply #26 on: Thu Aug 15, 2002 - 05:04:29 »
duck:

i believe they thought that others, as well as themselves, were christians, but that christians shouldn't be involved in working under the variety of traditional and theological ideas that had become prevalent over the centuries.
i think their goals would include some of both of what you ask.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Aug 15, 2002 - 13:52:30 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]duck:

i believe they thought that others, as well as themselves, were christians, but that christians shouldn't be involved in working under the variety of traditional and theological ideas that had become prevalent over the centuries.
i think their goals would include some of both of what you ask.

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Thanks DJ.

Isn't it ironic that the groups that sprung from that movement (at least some of the hardline CofC's) would no longer ascribe to the notion that others are Christians?

And isn't it also ironic that the calls for a further restoration, or the call of those in the "GC Movement" (not sure I like that term) has the exact same goals you mentioned above?  That is, to recognized others as Christians, and to ask them to come out from the variety of traditional and theological ideas that not only were prevalent before the RM, but still are today?

What's the conclusion?  To me, it is that the RM failed in what it was trying to do.

What's the future?  That, to me, is still very cloudy.  All I can do is trust the Lord, let Him guide my heart, mind and body through His Holy Spirit, and I can encourage others to seek Him and His will.

In Him,

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« Reply #28 on: Fri Aug 16, 2002 - 15:08:22 »
[!--QuoteBegin--][/span][table border=\"0\" align=\"center\" width=\"95%\" cellpadding=\"3\" cellspacing=\"1\"][tr][td]Quote [/td][/tr][tr][td id=\"QUOTE\"][!--QuoteEBegin--]I have heard it said that CoC-ers who sit stodgily back, hook their thumbs under their suspenders, and claim to have "restored" the Church, are wrong, because the Restoration is a lifelong project. (Ask anyone who restores old cars...)

Therefore, those who look at the stopped-short ones and the crusty ones, the unenlightened ones and the heartless ones, and say "they have failed to restore", are also wrong.  The Restoration is a lifelong project.

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Janine,

I understand what you are saying.

But, if someone has stopped-short of their goal, that implies they think they have reached it, or they feel it's impossible to attain.

Not going forward is the first step to going backwards.

If they stopped-short because they think they are there, then they are short-sighted and need to learn more.

If they stopped-short because they feel the goal is impossible to attain, then they need to have a higher vision.

Either way, they need to begin to move forward again.  If they don't, then they have failed.  If they do, then little by little they will make progress, unitl Gabriel swings!

And the "they" I am referreing to includes me.  I want to learn more of how the Lord wants me to live my life for Him.  I want to have a higher vision for my local congregation, and to be a part of bringing that vision to life - not a part of separating myself to go with like-minded others because some decided to stop short.

In Him,

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« Reply #29 on: Fri Aug 16, 2002 - 20:12:23 »
Charlie, Kanham

Amen to both of you!

 

     
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