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The trinity doctrine of men is blinding everyone from the TRUTH, and it has been for a very long time.
Ask yourself why do I believe that Jesus is God when there is only one God,
the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..?...Why don't I believe in the testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ? You will find something has blinded you from seeing the truth.

The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. -1John 5:10

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength." -Deu.6:4

God is ONE!

Jesus says to her, "Do not touch Me, for not yet have I ascended to the Father.
Now go to My brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
Jhn.20:17

"My God and your God" ? "The Lord our God, the Lord is one!"


Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

I am coming quickly; hold fast what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God,
and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
-Rev.3:10-13


“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
      The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
-Rev.3:14,-(:15-22)


And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.” -Jon.6:40

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Re: Who is Jesus's God?
« Reply #1 on: Sun Mar 15, 2020 - 15:16:21 »
Who is Jesus' God?
JEHOVAH~As far as the Son of MAN~But, you must not forget that Jesus was a complex person BOTH man and God. He lived his life on earth as MAN, yet at times proved that he was FULL DEITY..... God manifest in human flesh by certain acts that he said, or done. There are many threads already dealing with this doctrine in-depth. I'll find them if you desire to post on them.

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/is-jesus-really-all-mighty-god/
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Your adding your and other men's ideas there Red. Jesus was created the same as Adam. He was a Man, just like us, and that is what everyone is missing.
We are supposed to do what he did, we are supposed to walk just as he did. I tell you the truth.

'if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus,  that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit,
and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth."
-Eph 4


"For all the wells which his father's servants had dig in the days of Abraham his father, the Philistines had stopped them, and filled them with dirt."

The uncircumcised have been doing this very thing to this very day.
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“Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God

with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst,
just as you yourselves know
— this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God,
you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.
“But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power."
-Acts 2:22-24

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Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being"....Mary was this and so was Jesus and so are we.



If He should set His heart on it,
If He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath,
All flesh would perish together,
And man would return to dust.
-Job 34:14,15


So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. -1Cor.15:45

Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me.
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Uh oh... is it time for a sacred BBQ?


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This is not a joke. You seem to be learned Biblically, why do you not see the truth? are you blinded by your own wisdom?, I just don't understand. I can not light a candle and put it under a basket. I see truth and I feel like a boiling pot. If you do see truth why do you hide it?
Adam and eve are a picture, actually everything is a picture to help us see the truth. Adam is our soul and eve is our body our flesh. Adam broke the connection with God, as we all do through sin, listening to our flesh instead of the Spirit of God. Our conscience, guilt separates us from God. Jesus blood took away sin so as to clean our conscience and reconnect us to God via his Spirit with God in him.   

"Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and "We" will come to him and make Our abode with him.

“Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. “Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. 

This is how we are supposed to live, this is what makes us children of God. Those who are lead by the Spirit of God are sons of God, just like Jesus.

We are in the judgment right now, not in some future time, now! Our body is the grave of our soul, "who will deliver me from this body of death"

“For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

“For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. “Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil to a resurrection of judgment.


This is and has been happening. This is the threshing floor.

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. “For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”


If a person dies here without the light of life they are dead.
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« Reply #7 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 02:12:35 »
Your adding your and other men's ideas there Red. Jesus was created the same as Adam. He was a Man, just like us, and that is what everyone is missing.

The humanity of Jesus Christ is all over scriptures. No one would miss that out in scriptures. But the deity of Jesus Christ too is all over scriptures. No one would miss that out either.

But it seems you missed that one, or perhaps not, but just can't believe it, at least for some reason. I'm guessing, the reason is that, you cannot resolve the issue that Jesus Christ is both man and God. And then, you finally settled the issue, at least in your mind, that Jesus is not God and could not be God, and that he is only man. You took this position for you find it more reasonable to believe that than believing that He is both man and God. Taking such position obviously force you to see the rest of scriptures with that lens, so that, the truth in scriptures is blurred, if not, marred or distorted by that.

If one accepts and believes that the Bible is God's inerrant and infallible words, he must believe all that it says. So then, he must accept and believe that Jesus is human and Christ is Deity. If you don't, for whatever reason that could be, then you are just saying that it is not true that you accept and believe that the Bible is God's inerrant and infallible words. 
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« Reply #8 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 04:48:09 »
Your adding your and other men's ideas there Red. Jesus was created the same as Adam. He was a Man, just like us, and that is what everyone is missing.  We are supposed to do what he did, we are supposed to walk just as he did. I tell you the truth.
You sound like GB~either you are him, or you believe the same corrupt doctrine that he espouses and you present it in the same manner as he has in the past.  Either way, it is heresy at its core from the spirit of antichrist.
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Jesus was created the same as Adam.
HERESY!. If created, then he was not God manifested in human flesh as Paul said that he was.
Quote from: Paul the greatest prophet outside of Jesus Christ that ever lived in this world
1st Timothy 3:16~"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Jesus was not created but was conceived by the power of the Highest!
Quote from: THE WITNESS OF THE HOLY GHOST
Luke 1:30-35~"And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."
What scripture do you have that said that Jesus was created? If according to your teaching Jesus was created, then he COULD NOT BE GOD.

The scriptures teach..... There is ONE God, revealed as THREE according to the Godhead respective work in the redemption of the election of grace. Just as Paul taught us~THREE are ONE......CO-EQUAL according to what constitutes the Godhead and TRUE Divinity.

There are many scriptures that clearly teach that Jesus was equal to God~that we shall consider later, for now, consider:  True Divinity cannot be derived or propagated. The very thought of this in a positive way is blasphemy. What is real Divinity of the highest God? The following attributes have ever been conceived as essential to it: Self-existence, Infinity, Independence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresent, Eternal BOTH ways, and Infinite in every way possible that is imaginable to the human mind. The human mind cannot think of something that God cannot do, or does not know perfectly, and much more~ it that cannot even enter into our pitiful minds concerning the height, depth, width, of his greatness which far surpasses what man is even capable of reasoning or thinking.

If Jesus was created, then he could not possess the attributes that TRUE DIVINITY~ yet we know that he did. Jesus was the only person who lived in this world that was FULLY man and FULLY God. Two distinct natures living with him as he walked in this world. He was BOTH the Son of MAN and the Son OF GOD, making him equal with God.

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Man is a living soul, living because of the breath of God.   
Then the dust [of mortals] goes back to the ground as it was before, and the breath of life goes back to God who gave it. -Eccl.12:7

After Adam sinned God said to him "where are you?" He separated himself through sin from God who is Spirit.
"The spirit of a man is the lamp of the Lord, Searching all the inner depths of his heart."
"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. -Jhn.1:4

If He were to set His heart to it and withdraw His Spirit and breath,
all flesh would perish together and mankind would return to the dust.
-Job 34:14,15


"The soul that sinneth, it shall die." The soul, we sin with our soul. Remember sin starts in our minds.


“Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
“Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
“I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances"
-Eze.36:25-27

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. -Jhn.5:24

 
The LORD is my shepherd,
            I shall not want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside quiet waters.
 
 He restores my soul;
He guides me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
 
        I fear no evil, for You are with me;
 Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
 You have anointed my head with oil;
 
              My cup overflows.
 Surely goodness and lovingkindness will follow me all the days of my life,
             And I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever."



The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet. -Pro. 27:7

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« Reply #10 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 06:09:59 »
Everyone who believed God before Christ were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God. 'Abraham looked forward to see my day', and so did all the other Old Testament saints. 

"And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection
they entered the holy city and appeared to many."
-Matthew 27: 51-53

God said we are complete in Christ, thus we are incomplete outside of Him.
Flesh begets flesh, spirit begets spirit. We are souls in flesh without spirit and incomplete before we are born again.
'To this day my Father works and I work.' We are in day six.
We are corrupt before we are made whole by God through Christ Jesus.

"For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath
and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity."
-Ecclesiastes 3:19

Corruption brings forth corruption, this is why you see defects in people, there are to many to list, but its getting worse,
such as girls trapped in boys bodies and vice versa and people being born gay.
The number of man is six, the number of completion is seven. Corruption begets corruption, flesh begets flesh, two sixes make a six, 666. ‘For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same.’

He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not;
He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the light.
Lo, all these things worketh God oftentimes with man, To bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living.
Mark well, O Job, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I will speak. If thou hast any thing to say, answer me: speak, for I desire to justify thee.
If not, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I shall teach thee wisdom.
  -Job 33:27-33

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 06:40:02 »
There is considerable confusion here in the meaning of create, especially when speaking about God's act of creating.  In the Bible, when speaking of God creating, it means that God creates ex nihilo, i.e., God creates something out of nothing.  When it speaks in Genesis 1:27 about God creating man, it is not speaking about Adam's physical body. The Bible says that God made Adam's body out of the dust of the earth. And it says that Eve was made out of a part of Adam's body and therefore her body wasn't created either.  Therefore when it says in Genesis that God created both Adam and Eve it is speaking only of the spirits of Adam and Eve.  And it is in those spirits, and only in those spirits, that God created Adam and Eve in His image.

And it is the same for everyone after Adam and Eve.  No one's physical body, not even Jesus' body, was created.  Everyone after Adam and Eve, including Jesus, possessed bodies made through the process of biological procreation. The distinction between Jesus and everyone else, including Adam and Eve, is that Jesus' Spirit as always existed while everyone else's spirits have been created by God in His own image.  It is in that sense that we read, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." and "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."

When the Bible speaks of God creating mankind it is not speaking of the physical bodies of mankind; rather it is speaking only of spirits of mankind.

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« Reply #12 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 07:07:26 »
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living SOUL.


I'm not confused, this is Gods word. Seeing Jesus for who he was, a man, is a very big key. God is SPIRIT and he must be worshiped in spirit and TRUTH.
Anything not of the truth is a lie. Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ. Honoring the Son in truth is extremely important! He was a man just like us.


"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all"


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« Reply #13 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 07:18:37 »
Man is a living soul, living because of the breath of God.   
Then the dust [of mortals] goes back to the ground as it was before, and the breath of life goes back to God who gave it. -Eccl.12:7

After Adam sinned God said to him "where are you?" He separated himself through sin from God who is Spirit.
"The spirit of a man is the lamp of the Lord, Searching all the inner depths of his heart."
"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. -Jhn.1:4

If He were to set His heart to it and withdraw His Spirit and breath,
all flesh would perish together and mankind would return to the dust.
-Job 34:14,15


"The soul that sinneth, it shall die." The soul, we sin with our soul. Remember sin starts in our minds.


“Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
“Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
“I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances"
-Eze.36:25-27

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. -Jhn.5:24

 
The LORD is my shepherd,
            I shall not want.
He makes me lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside quiet waters.
 
 He restores my soul;
He guides me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
 
        I fear no evil, for You are with me;
 Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
 You have anointed my head with oil;
 
              My cup overflows.
 Surely goodness and lovingkindness will follow me all the days of my life,
             And I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever."



The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet. -Pro. 27:7

What do all that have to do with the topic of the thread?

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 07:19:20 »
Gen 1:21  So God created the great sea creatures and every living creature [Hebrew --  nephesh]that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:24  And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures [Hebrew --  nephesh] according to their kinds--livestock and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so.


Gen 2:7  then the LORD God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living soul [Hebrew  -- nephesh].

(KJV)Pro 27:7  The full soul [Hebrew  --  nephesh] loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul [Hebrew  --  nephesh]every bitter thing is sweet.

(NASB)Pro 27:7  A sated man [Hebrew  --  nephesh] loathes honey, But to a famished man [Hebrew  --  nephesh] any bitter thing is sweet.



Hebrew  -- nephesh:  From Strong's

H5315

נפשׁ

nephesh

neh'-fesh

From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 07:22:42 »
Everyone who believed God before Christ were saved by faith in the coming Messiah.
Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God. 'Abraham looked forward to see my day', and so did all the other Old Testament saints. 

"And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split.
The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection
they entered the holy city and appeared to many."
-Matthew 27: 51-53

God said we are complete in Christ, thus we are incomplete outside of Him.
Flesh begets flesh, spirit begets spirit. We are souls in flesh without spirit and incomplete before we are born again.
'To this day my Father works and I work.' We are in day six.
We are corrupt before we are made whole by God through Christ Jesus.

"For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same. As one dies so dies the other; indeed, they all have the same breath
and there is no advantage for man over beast, for all is vanity."
-Ecclesiastes 3:19

Corruption brings forth corruption, this is why you see defects in people, there are to many to list, but its getting worse,
such as girls trapped in boys bodies and vice versa and people being born gay.
The number of man is six, the number of completion is seven. Corruption begets corruption, flesh begets flesh, two sixes make a six, 666. ‘For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts is the same.’

He looketh upon men, and if any say, I have sinned, and perverted that which was right, and it profited me not;
He will deliver his soul from going into the pit, and his life shall see the light.
Lo, all these things worketh God oftentimes with man, To bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living.
Mark well, O Job, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I will speak. If thou hast any thing to say, answer me: speak, for I desire to justify thee.
If not, hearken unto me: hold thy peace, and I shall teach thee wisdom.
  -Job 33:27-33

What do all that have to do with the topic of the thread?

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Re: Who is Jesus's God?
« Reply #16 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 13:52:48 »
You seem to be learned Biblically, why do you not see the truth? are you blinded by your own wisdom?, I just don't understand.
I don't suppose you know what I believe.  Perhaps your judgment is a wee bit premature?

I can not light a candle and put it under a basket. I see truth and I feel like a boiling pot. If you do see truth why do you hide it?
If one doesn't immediately blurt out what they're thinking at every given moment, is that hiding a light?  ::headscratch:: 

I am happy to tell anyone who cares enough to ask.  But I'm also respectful enough not to tell everyone who doesn't.  ::tippinghat::

Adam and eve are a picture, actually everything is a picture to help us see the truth. Adam is our soul and eve is our body our flesh. Adam broke the connection with God, as we all do through sin, listening to our flesh instead of the Spirit of God. Our conscience, guilt separates us from God.
Adam and Eve are symbols... but that isn't the intended symbolism.  I'm afraid the meaning is a bit more mundane than the lofty stuff you're saying.

We are in the judgment right now, not in some future time, now! Our body is the grave of our soul, "who will deliver me from this body of death"

“For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life."
“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

“For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. “Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil to a resurrection of judgment.


This is and has been happening. This is the threshing floor.

He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. “For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”


If a person dies here without the light of life they are dead.
Explain like I'm 5 years old... what are the benefits of this quickening?

Jarrod

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Re: Who is Jesus's God?
« Reply #17 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 15:12:04 »
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living SOUL.


I'm not confused, this is Gods word. Seeing Jesus for who he was, a man, is a very big key. God is SPIRIT and he must be worshiped in spirit and TRUTH.
Anything not of the truth is a lie. Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ. Honoring the Son in truth is extremely important! He was a man just like us.


"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all"

Do you worship man?
Was Jesus worshipped?
Do you worship Jesus? If so, why? If so, how do you worship him?

You believe that Jesus is the mediator between God and men.
How does he mediate for you?     
Do you talk to him? If so, how?


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Re: Who is Jesus's God?
« Reply #18 on: Tue Mar 17, 2020 - 05:34:38 »
I don't suppose you know what I believe.  Perhaps your judgment is a wee bit premature?
If one doesn't immediately blurt out what they're thinking at every given moment, is that hiding a light?  ::headscratch:: 

I am happy to tell anyone who cares enough to ask.  But I'm also respectful enough not to tell everyone who doesn't.  ::tippinghat::
Adam and Eve are symbols... but that isn't the intended symbolism.  I'm afraid the meaning is a bit more mundane than the lofty stuff you're saying.
Explain like I'm 5 years old... what are the benefits of this quickening?

Jarrod

I only know what I've seen of your posts, yes maybe it was premature and a bit out of line, a bad reaction to taking offence of your cow and for that I am sorry.,
it wasn't a statement it was a question.

I wasn't blurting out what I think.  I'm not ashamed to speak out the truth, many have been for fear of death or even ridicule. and We are on a Christian forum.

Your last question answers mine.

"My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
-James 5:19
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