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Who will the antichrist be?
« on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 17:20:48 »
Do you believe that the anti-Christ will be a literal man or is the anti-Christ symbolic of somthing else?  Here are the only passages where the anti-Christ is mentioned.  Notice that none of the passages are in Revelation.

1 John 2:18:  "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour."

1 John 2:22:  "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son."

1 John 4:2-3:  "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."

2 John 1:7: "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh This is the deceiver and the antichrist."


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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #1 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 17:24:29 »
Who will the Antichrist be?

I posted a suggest awhile ago, but it got removed...

But with some reflection, I think the false prophet will be a pope.

Who know who the Son of Perdition will be...

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #2 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 17:48:38 »
I often wonder if he wasn't Joseph Smith!

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« Reply #3 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 18:32:13 »
He will be a Biblicist who will enslave people to his will by demanding adherence to his view of Scripture.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #4 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 18:38:40 »
Maybe he will be ecumenist deceiving Christians into a one world religion.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #5 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 19:14:41 »
Sounds more likely.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #6 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 20:08:40 »
he has already been.  i think a few others will emulate him, though.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #7 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 20:18:32 »
he has already been.

He couldn't have been. Christ has yet to return:


"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming..." ~ 2nd Thessalonians 2:8


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« Reply #8 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 20:37:17 »
you do not think that means His presence?  any antichrist is destroyed by that.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #9 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 20:43:53 »
His presence at His return, yes.

That is what Paul said will destroy "the son of perdition".

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #10 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 20:45:33 »
His presence is with us now.  He'll be there when we gather in His name.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #11 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 20:47:04 »
"The brightness of his coming" is a reference to the second coming, David.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #12 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 20:49:48 »
hmmm...i'm not reading that in this version.  he's already pretty bright, since he's the Light of the world.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #13 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 20:54:50 »
"The brightness of his coming" is a reference to the second coming, David.
Now is that the second, third, or fourth coming?  Okay, I don't actually know anyone who believes in 4 comings of Christ.

So I thought for a while it could be me, but then I realized that it was Steven Spielberg.

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« Reply #14 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 21:49:12 »
hmmm...i'm not reading that in this version.  he's already pretty bright, since he's the Light of the world.

dj

"The brightness of his coming", dj. Not just "brightness", but "brightness of his coming".

Even more, chapter 1, verses 7 through 10 begin the context, speaking of the second coming of Christ:

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"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day."

Then, in chapter 2, verses 1 and 2, the context continues to demonstrate that Paul is writing about the second coming of Christ:

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"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."

Which brings us to chapter 2, verse 8:

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"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming..."

So, whatever the version, Christ's second coming is clearly under view in this passage.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Sep 25, 2007 - 23:28:44 »
I believe that the anti-christ will be an actual person.  He has a few nicknames throughout scripture too.  There are a few more passages, than that, I think.  I will do some digging later on and see what I can find.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #16 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 05:43:42 »
"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day."

we agree upon the meaning here, it fits with the salutation style of epistles.

beware of bolding, it can impart a bias that doesn't really assist a pov.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #17 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 10:56:17 »
There are lots of anti-Christs.


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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #18 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 12:14:05 »
Who will the Antichrist be?

I posted a suggest awhile ago, but it got removed...

But with some reflection, I think the false prophet will be a pope.

Who know who the Son of Perdition will be...

interestingly a spokesman for the vadican said that their council (who ever that is) said the anti-christ will come from their ranks. (I saw this on a tv surmon, so cant verify the statement whether true or not, but it is a well known tv preacher).

personally i have no clue who, but is there REV scriptures, where he dies and the beast gives him live again and the world is amazed at this and turns to him? kind of going on memory here, dont have bible at hand as i am at work.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #19 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 12:25:10 »
Who will the Antichrist be?

I posted a suggest awhile ago, but it got removed...

But with some reflection, I think the false prophet will be a pope.

Who know who the Son of Perdition will be...

interestingly a spokesman for the vadican said that their council (who ever that is) said the anti-christ will come from their ranks. (I saw this on a tv surmon, so cant verify the statement whether true or not, but it is a well known tv preacher).

personally i have no clue who, but is there REV scriptures, where he dies and the beast gives him live again and the world is amazed at this and turns to him? kind of going on memory here, dont have bible at hand as i am at work.

Rev 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
 

So it doesn't quite die but is wounded unto death, then the deadly wound is healed. But this passage in Rev 13:3 speaks about one of the heads of the beast, so I don't know how this would be a clear reference to the Antichrist.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #20 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 12:35:52 »
i was mistaken, thanks charles, but i am certian the anti-christ is talked about in REV I will have to look into it tonight. thanks.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #21 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 12:56:31 »
Little known fact... the term "Antichrist" isn't actually found in the book of Revelation.

The only place we find this term is in 1 & 2 John:

http://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=antichrist&qs_version=31

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #22 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 13:03:02 »
Passages from Revelation and Daniel 7 have been commonly attributed to the Antichrist.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #23 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 13:07:46 »
So is there a difference in the spirit of the anti-christ and an anti-christ man?
the spirit of anti-christ is the evil spirit and intentions of all the anti-christs (those oppositely opposing Christ) throughout history, which was already at work in Jesus times. But will this be carnated or born into flesh, which would make some sense as satan is a copycat, he immitates God, he desires worship, he has immitated religion to parellel the bible, trinity, satan the beast and the anti-christ, 3 fold godhead.

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« Reply #24 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 13:22:43 »
Here's what Scripture (specifically John) says about the "antichrist":

1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
 
2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.


Here's what we know from these passages:

The "antichrist" was coming, but in fact, many "antichrists" had come. 
So, who is it? -->
  1) The man who denies that Jesus is the Christ.
  2) Denies the Father and the Son.
  3) Does not acknowledge Jesus.
  4) Does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.

That's pretty much what we know.  Actually, much of this may refer to false teachings by Gnostics, Docetists, and other groups at the time who were saying that Jesus, as God in the flesh, didn't really physically die on the cross.

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Re: Who will the antichrist be?
« Reply #25 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 15:16:49 »
The antiChrist?

* Anti -- means against Christ

During the time of Christ, who were against Him?

* Were they not the RELIGIOUS people? The priests, doctors/lawyers/teachers of the Law, the Scribes and Pharisees.

Today, who do not say they love Christ? But it "is written" many people would HATE Him! Who is the following?

Isa 53:1  Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Isa 53:2  For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Isa 53:3  He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Is not JESUS CHRIST the TRUTH?

Who really love the TRUTH?  "Many" or only a "few"?



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« Reply #26 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 17:29:55 »
Here's what Scripture (specifically John) says about the "antichrist":

1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
 
2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.


Here's what we know from these passages:

The "antichrist" was coming, but in fact, many "antichrists" had come. 
So, who is it? -->
  1) The man who denies that Jesus is the Christ.
  2) Denies the Father and the Son.
  3) Does not acknowledge Jesus.
  4) Does not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.

That's pretty much what we know.  Actually, much of this may refer to false teachings by Gnostics, Docetists, and other groups at the time who were saying that Jesus, as God in the flesh, didn't really physically die on the cross.
this pretty much sums up my understanding. Thanks DCR for making it so concise. (and this supports my amil, preterist view of Revelation - not that you intended that! ::kissing::)

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« Reply #27 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 20:34:39 »
Hroberson said:
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...(and this supports my amil, preterist view of Revelation - not that you intended that!  ::kissing::  )

That’s interesting! It supports my premil view also.  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #28 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 23:15:24 »
"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day."

we agree upon the meaning here, it fits with the salutation style of epistles.

beware of bolding, it can impart a bias that doesn't really assist a pov.

dj

With or without my bolding, "His coming" means "His coming". Context not only supports that Paul is speaking of the Second Coming, here, but it does so overwhelmingly. In fact, it is difficult for me to believe that I am actually having to defend that...

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« Reply #29 on: Wed Sep 26, 2007 - 23:19:28 »
1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

The "antichrist" was coming, but in fact, many "antichrists" had come.

Even so, John does not say that "the antichrist" is not coming. And when compared with such passages as 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2, it appears that he has yet to come...

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« Reply #31 on: Thu Sep 27, 2007 - 04:55:31 »
"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day."

we agree upon the meaning here, it fits with the salutation style of epistles.

beware of bolding, it can impart a bias that doesn't really assist a pov.

dj

With or without my bolding, "His coming" means "His coming". Context not only supports that Paul is speaking of the Second Coming, here, but it does so overwhelmingly. In fact, it is difficult for me to believe that I am actually having to defend that...

more difficult than to read that i agreed with you on at least the verse posted here?

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« Reply #32 on: Thu Sep 27, 2007 - 06:29:51 »
I don't understand why they would let the antiChrist lose now that they have got him he should be destroyed. We could be victors in the Lords army if we destroy him while we have him locked up.

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« Reply #33 on: Thu Sep 27, 2007 - 06:58:04 »
1 John 2:18
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

The "antichrist" was coming, but in fact, many "antichrists" had come.

Even so, John does not say that "the antichrist" is not coming. And when compared with such passages as 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2, it appears that he has yet to come...

That assumes that Paul is referring to the same thing that John was... since Paul didn't use the term "antichrist" there.  I'm not sure that John and Paul are necessarily talking about the same person or persons in context.

The "man of lawlessness" of 2 Thess 2 may be a whole other discussion.

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« Reply #34 on: Fri Sep 28, 2007 - 01:28:37 »
The Beast and the Antichrist will be one in the same.  The one world religion leader will be his puppet... doing as he bids him to do, to bring those religious ones under submission to him.

He will be a prince of the East... A man born there, a leader who can step up in the times that come after the rapture takes place.  He will bring answers and have solutions to the caos on earth... 

 

     
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