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Re: Why Are People Feeling Unloved
« Reply #70 on: Fri May 02, 2008 - 12:45:10 »
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Thanks for your post. Yes, not loving God has been a huge topic in this thread for maybe the the last couple of pages.  I felt I was being baited to get into an argument that Christians don't or can't love God.  It's been a shocker for me.  You can go back through a few posts and read for yourself. I would have never dreamed a Christian wouldn't love God.  How could that be possible!  I sure was glad for YHP's help.

I'm glad to know that you do!  Praise the Lord.

bonnie, this is unfair.  NO ONE has suggest that he, or any other Christian, doesn't love God.  It looks like you and phoebe are talking about different concepts, and to be honest, I don't really understand what either of you are saying.  But phoebe has explained to you that you misunderstood her posts, and it is unworthy of a Christ-follower to continue to imply differently.


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« Reply #71 on: Fri May 02, 2008 - 13:11:50 »
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Thanks for your post. Yes, not loving God has been a huge topic in this thread for maybe the the last couple of pages.  I felt I was being baited to get into an argument that Christians don't or can't love God.  It's been a shocker for me.  You can go back through a few posts and read for yourself. I would have never dreamed a Christian wouldn't love God.  How could that be possible!  I sure was glad for YHP's help.

I'm glad to know that you do!  Praise the Lord.

bonnie, this is unfair.  NO ONE has suggest that he, or any other Christian, doesn't love God.  It looks like you and phoebe are talking about different concepts, and to be honest, I don't really understand what either of you are saying.  But phoebe has explained to you that you misunderstood her posts, and it is unworthy of a Christ-follower to continue to imply differently.



First of all I'm not being unfair to anyone.  Let the posts speak for themselves. You should stay out of things you don't understand or at least attempt to understand them.  Maybe post #41 which is mine and Phoebe's start with post #43 would help you understand.  I think that's the one anyway.

You made a post to me in this thread and you know what it's about.  I'm not going to get baited into an argument by anyone over this.

edited to correct post numbers
« Last Edit: Fri May 02, 2008 - 13:29:26 by Bonnie »

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« Reply #72 on: Fri May 02, 2008 - 13:41:06 »
"God does require that we love Him back.  That's a condition."


To anyone: What "condition", and what is the consequence for failing to meet this condition?

I'm not asking what is God's love. I'm asking about this "condition" thing. Because frankly I don't understand the statement at all.

Ok... I'll do this...
God is love
Therefore if you DO NOT LOVE GOD, than you DO NOT know what LOVE IS.
Therefore you cannot trulu love others
Therefore you are lost
Thus you do not have salvation
Thus you are doomed to live with your eartly master - Satan

For GOD IS LOVE!
Thus if you LOVE GOD than you are able to experience TRUE LOVE
Thus, you are ABLE TO TRULY LOVE OTHERS
Thus you are ABLE TO FULFILL the commandment stated in 1 John 4:21 (CEV) "Love God and Love Each Other!"

Great and Truthful Statement.

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« Reply #73 on: Fri May 02, 2008 - 13:56:48 »
I have been thinking about this wonderful subject for the past few days. I will give you one example of how this is played out. I noticed someone in our church who was looking sort of down for the past few months. I gave them a call and asked them to come into the office. They assumed it was about the ministry that they run in the church. I told them that I cared for them and asked if everything was alright. The person said that they had been depressed lately and it was starting to get better in the past few weeks. We had a great conversation and talked about some resources and strengthened our friendship. I am not telling this story to commend myself, I am sharing it because we must learn to be there for each other. We have to start loving each other by investing our time and energy into each others lives. If we really meditate on the scripture that says "love your neighbor as yourself" we all will see that we fall short in this command. This command is lived out in small increments each day. Even if we don't immediately see a difference we have to keep setting the example to others.

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« Reply #74 on: Fri May 02, 2008 - 14:19:16 »
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Thanks for your post. Yes, not loving God has been a huge topic in this thread for maybe the the last couple of pages.  I felt I was being baited to get into an argument that Christians don't or can't love God.  It's been a shocker for me.  You can go back through a few posts and read for yourself. I would have never dreamed a Christian wouldn't love God.  How could that be possible!  I sure was glad for YHP's help.

I'm glad to know that you do!  Praise the Lord.

bonnie, this is unfair.  NO ONE has suggest that he, or any other Christian, doesn't love God.  It looks like you and phoebe are talking about different concepts, and to be honest, I don't really understand what either of you are saying.  But phoebe has explained to you that you misunderstood her posts, and it is unworthy of a Christ-follower to continue to imply differently.



First of all I'm not being unfair to anyone.  Let the posts speak for themselves. You should stay out of things you don't understand or at least attempt to understand them.  Maybe post #41 which is mine and Phoebe's start with post #43 would help you understand.  I think that's the one anyway.

You made a post to me in this thread and you know what it's about.  I'm not going to get baited into an argument by anyone over this.

edited to correct post numbers

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding.  I think maybe a line was deleted from your reply?


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« Reply #75 on: Fri May 02, 2008 - 14:32:11 »
I feeling unloved by my whole family It seems like what I say is of no value. Part of it is due to my Bipolar depression, part is my wife ripped my heart out with her many affairs. Every doctor I see says I need to get out. I still praise the Lord because when I'm home the Holy Spirit is with me and I have a great Church family.
 The main problem is I lost most of my interest in doing anything, my dog is really this man's best friend even his name says it Buddy.

Thanks for your post Bigdog.  I can't tell you that I understand your problems because I don't think we can truly understand something until we have to go through it ourselves.  I can say as one Christian to another that I care and that I'll remember you in my prayers.  I hope you will remember me in yours. We all need each other.  I'm so very glad to hear that you have a great church and a family of God.  That's worth a fortune. I know I love my church family and the fellowship we share.

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« Reply #76 on: Fri May 02, 2008 - 14:42:09 »
I have been thinking about this wonderful subject for the past few days. I will give you one example of how this is played out. I noticed someone in our church who was looking sort of down for the past few months. I gave them a call and asked them to come into the office. They assumed it was about the ministry that they run in the church. I told them that I cared for them and asked if everything was alright. The person said that they had been depressed lately and it was starting to get better in the past few weeks. We had a great conversation and talked about some resources and strengthened our friendship. I am not telling this story to commend myself, I am sharing it because we must learn to be there for each other. We have to start loving each other by investing our time and energy into each others lives. If we really meditate on the scripture that says "love your neighbor as yourself" we all will see that we fall short in this command. This command is lived out in small increments each day. Even if we don't immediately see a difference we have to keep setting the example to others.

God bless, brother, I'm happy that you shared that with us.  It makes me happy to hear good news like this.  It encourages us I think and gives us hope to know that they're Christians like you still on the firing line for God.
Yes, it's so true that we fall short but God knows our hearts and understands that we strive on the narrow path to please Him. Thank you for making this post.

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« Reply #77 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 09:39:45 »
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Thanks for your post. Yes, not loving God has been a huge topic in this thread for maybe the the last couple of pages.  I felt I was being baited to get into an argument that Christians don't or can't love God.  It's been a shocker for me.  You can go back through a few posts and read for yourself. I would have never dreamed a Christian wouldn't love God.  How could that be possible!  I sure was glad for YHP's help.

I'm glad to know that you do!  Praise the Lord.

bonnie, this is unfair.  NO ONE has suggest that he, or any other Christian, doesn't love God.  It looks like you and phoebe are talking about different concepts, and to be honest, I don't really understand what either of you are saying.  But phoebe has explained to you that you misunderstood her posts, and it is unworthy of a Christ-follower to continue to imply differently.



Exactly, no one in this thread or on this forum has every suggested that Christians don't love God.
Every post I have seen here gives greater insights into the truths before us.  And that's what's so great about sharing these ideas........

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« Reply #78 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 10:21:10 »
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Thanks for your post. Yes, not loving God has been a huge topic in this thread for maybe the the last couple of pages.  I felt I was being baited to get into an argument that Christians don't or can't love God.  It's been a shocker for me.  You can go back through a few posts and read for yourself. I would have never dreamed a Christian wouldn't love God.  How could that be possible!  I sure was glad for YHP's help.

I'm glad to know that you do!  Praise the Lord.

bonnie, this is unfair.  NO ONE has suggest that he, or any other Christian, doesn't love God.  It looks like you and phoebe are talking about different concepts, and to be honest, I don't really understand what either of you are saying.  But phoebe has explained to you that you misunderstood her posts, and it is unworthy of a Christ-follower to continue to imply differently.



Exactly, no one in this thread or on this forum has every suggested that Christians don't love God.
Every post I have seen here gives greater insights into the truths before us.  And that's what's so great about sharing these ideas........

Don, all I can say is that you haven't read the posts and gotten their intents right.  Post 66 in this thread seems pretty plain to me and it's one of the weaker posts on the topic.

I really wish that this thread would be locked and go under because it serves no purpose anymore.

The other thread "Hate Crimes Against Humanity" definitely shows that there are people who think they don't have to love God. If you want the truth try reading the last page of it.

I am going to ask that both threads be locked because I'm tired of being questioned over and over about this when the truth is plain as day.

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« Reply #79 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 10:48:48 »
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Thanks for your post. Yes, not loving God has been a huge topic in this thread for maybe the the last couple of pages.  I felt I was being baited to get into an argument that Christians don't or can't love God.  It's been a shocker for me.  You can go back through a few posts and read for yourself. I would have never dreamed a Christian wouldn't love God.  How could that be possible!  I sure was glad for YHP's help.

I'm glad to know that you do!  Praise the Lord.

bonnie, this is unfair.  NO ONE has suggest that he, or any other Christian, doesn't love God.  It looks like you and phoebe are talking about different concepts, and to be honest, I don't really understand what either of you are saying.  But phoebe has explained to you that you misunderstood her posts, and it is unworthy of a Christ-follower to continue to imply differently.



Exactly, no one in this thread or on this forum has every suggested that Christians don't love God.
Every post I have seen here gives greater insights into the truths before us.  And that's what's so great about sharing these ideas........

Don, all I can say is that you haven't read the posts and gotten their intents right.  Post 66 in this thread seems pretty plain to me and it's one of the weaker posts on the topic.

I really wish that this thread would be locked and go under because it serves no purpose anymore.

The other thread "Hate Crimes Against Humanity" definitely shows that there are people who think they don't have to love God. If you want the truth try reading the last page of it.

I am going to ask that both threads be locked because I'm tired of being questioned over and over about this when the truth is plain as day.

First of all let me say that I never read posts thinking that I have the ability to get the "intents" of the author "right", ever, I cannot see, nor do I have the ability to look into the heart of man, only God can do that.

Secondly, I have read post 66, I simply disagree with you, you are free to insist what you say it says.....But I, and I think others here, don't think it is dismissive of what you have said, it is an added thought to it, and it is not intended as bait for you.

You can request your own threads to be locked when people post things you disagree with, but that generally, as I understand it, is not a valid basis for closing a thread, because by its very nature, this forum encourages dissenting comment, which means such comment may be disagreeable to you.

Sorry, but I simply disagree with your sentiments and perceptions here.

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« Reply #80 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 11:24:57 »
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Thanks for your post. Yes, not loving God has been a huge topic in this thread for maybe the the last couple of pages.  I felt I was being baited to get into an argument that Christians don't or can't love God.  It's been a shocker for me.  You can go back through a few posts and read for yourself. I would have never dreamed a Christian wouldn't love God.  How could that be possible!  I sure was glad for YHP's help.

I'm glad to know that you do!  Praise the Lord.

bonnie, this is unfair.  NO ONE has suggest that he, or any other Christian, doesn't love God.  It looks like you and phoebe are talking about different concepts, and to be honest, I don't really understand what either of you are saying.  But phoebe has explained to you that you misunderstood her posts, and it is unworthy of a Christ-follower to continue to imply differently.



Exactly, no one in this thread or on this forum has every suggested that Christians don't love God.
Every post I have seen here gives greater insights into the truths before us.  And that's what's so great about sharing these ideas........

Don, all I can say is that you haven't read the posts and gotten their intents right.  Post 66 in this thread seems pretty plain to me and it's one of the weaker posts on the topic.

I really wish that this thread would be locked and go under because it serves no purpose anymore.

The other thread "Hate Crimes Against Humanity" definitely shows that there are people who think they don't have to love God. If you want the truth try reading the last page of it.

I am going to ask that both threads be locked because I'm tired of being questioned over and over about this when the truth is plain as day.

First of all let me say that I never read posts thinking that I have the ability to get the "intents" of the author "right", ever, I cannot see, nor do I have the ability to look into the heart of man, only God can do that.

Secondly, I have read post 66, I simply disagree with you, you are free to insist what you say it says.....But I, and I think others here, don't think it is dismissive of what you have said, it is an added thought to it, and it is not intended as bait for you.

You can request your own threads to be locked when people post things you disagree with, but that generally, as I understand it, is not a valid basis for closing a thread, because by its very nature, this forum encourages dissenting comment, which means such comment may be disagreeable to you.

Sorry, but I simply disagree with your sentiments and perceptions here.

If you have read that post and still stand by your statements then I would assume either you don't understand it or you agree with it.

YHP finally gives Phoebe the answer to her question.  Do you disagree with his posts? She did.

You should know how closing threads go since you tried closing mine and it worked only until the mods knew I had not made the request. So I think you are starting out bias here simply because you didn't get your way. You shouldn't let your personal feelings rule you and stop you from being fair.

That's all I have to say to you.

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« Reply #81 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 11:31:11 »
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Thanks for your post. Yes, not loving God has been a huge topic in this thread for maybe the the last couple of pages.  I felt I was being baited to get into an argument that Christians don't or can't love God.  It's been a shocker for me.  You can go back through a few posts and read for yourself. I would have never dreamed a Christian wouldn't love God.  How could that be possible!  I sure was glad for YHP's help.

I'm glad to know that you do!  Praise the Lord.

bonnie, this is unfair.  NO ONE has suggest that he, or any other Christian, doesn't love God.  It looks like you and phoebe are talking about different concepts, and to be honest, I don't really understand what either of you are saying.  But phoebe has explained to you that you misunderstood her posts, and it is unworthy of a Christ-follower to continue to imply differently.



Exactly, no one in this thread or on this forum has every suggested that Christians don't love God.
Every post I have seen here gives greater insights into the truths before us.  And that's what's so great about sharing these ideas........

Don, all I can say is that you haven't read the posts and gotten their intents right.  Post 66 in this thread seems pretty plain to me and it's one of the weaker posts on the topic.

I really wish that this thread would be locked and go under because it serves no purpose anymore.

The other thread "Hate Crimes Against Humanity" definitely shows that there are people who think they don't have to love God. If you want the truth try reading the last page of it.

I am going to ask that both threads be locked because I'm tired of being questioned over and over about this when the truth is plain as day.

First of all let me say that I never read posts thinking that I have the ability to get the "intents" of the author "right", ever, I cannot see, nor do I have the ability to look into the heart of man, only God can do that.

Secondly, I have read post 66, I simply disagree with you, you are free to insist what you say it says.....But I, and I think others here, don't think it is dismissive of what you have said, it is an added thought to it, and it is not intended as bait for you.

You can request your own threads to be locked when people post things you disagree with, but that generally, as I understand it, is not a valid basis for closing a thread, because by its very nature, this forum encourages dissenting comment, which means such comment may be disagreeable to you.

Sorry, but I simply disagree with your sentiments and perceptions here.

If you have read that post and still stand by your statements then I would assume either you don't understand it or you agree with it.

YHP finally gives Phoebe the answer to her question.  Do you disagree with his posts? She did.

You should know how closing threads go since you tried closing mine and it worked only until the mods knew I had not made the request. So I think you are starting out bias here simply because you didn't get your way. You shouldn't let your personal feelings rule you and stop you from being fair.

That's all I have to say to you.

That's fine Bonnie, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm afraid the "personal feelings" hysteria is yours alone..........

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« Reply #82 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 14:40:22 »
 
 One thing to remember is God's love is unconditional. He loved us from the beginning of time, That is why He sent His Son to earth to die for sins.
 He paid a debt He did not owe, we owed a debt we could not pay! ::amen!::
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« Reply #83 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 14:55:14 »

 One thing to remember is God's love is unconditional. He loved us from the beginning of time, That is why He sent His Son to earth to die for sins.
 He paid a debt He did not owe, we owed a debt we could not pay! ::amen!::
 Rob ::hug::
 

Amen! ::clappingoverhead::
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« Reply #84 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 15:17:10 »
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Thanks for your post. Yes, not loving God has been a huge topic in this thread for maybe the the last couple of pages.  I felt I was being baited to get into an argument that Christians don't or can't love God.  It's been a shocker for me.  You can go back through a few posts and read for yourself. I would have never dreamed a Christian wouldn't love God.  How could that be possible!  I sure was glad for YHP's help.

I'm glad to know that you do!  Praise the Lord.

bonnie, this is unfair.  NO ONE has suggest that he, or any other Christian, doesn't love God.  It looks like you and phoebe are talking about different concepts, and to be honest, I don't really understand what either of you are saying.  But phoebe has explained to you that you misunderstood her posts, and it is unworthy of a Christ-follower to continue to imply differently.



First of all I'm not being unfair to anyone.  Let the posts speak for themselves. You should stay out of things you don't understand or at least attempt to understand them.  Maybe post #41 which is mine and Phoebe's start with post #43 would help you understand.  I think that's the one anyway.

You made a post to me in this thread and you know what it's about.  I'm not going to get baited into an argument by anyone over this.

edited to correct post numbers

I'm sorry, I'm not understanding.  I think maybe a line was deleted from your reply?



bonnie, since you didn't respond, I assume that you did, in fact, intend to tell me to stay out of things I don't understand.  Which seems an odd thing to say after one has started a discussion on a public forum.

Obviously, to post your opinion on a public forum is to invite comment on your words - that's the point of a public forum, in fact.  Surely you don't expect to post to a discussion forum then just tell everyone who disagrees with you to butt out? 

I took your advice to da... and reread post 66.  Here it is:
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It seems to me, connecting this to the OP, that if loving others via loving God is a "condition for salvation", then precious few are actually saved if there are so many feeling so unloved. In fact, Mother Theresa may be the only one who has perfectly demonstrated this kind of selfless love.

Maybe the statement was simply worded badly and that isn't what Bonnie was saying. I think it is a way to grow into, this perfect, selfless love, but to say that it is a condition for salvation... is reading more into it than I believe God is saying via Scripture. It may be a way of identifying those who are maturing in this love, but that idea holds no place for those who are still trying to understand, those who still struggle with forgiveness and letting go of self, learning how to love. IOW, it says that we aren't saved until we have reached perfect and complete maturity, and I don't buy that.

But, I gather this discussion is not really about the unloved, anyway, but about End Times theology, so I will step out, since I don't dwell on and feed on that. I have enough to worry about today.

As best I can tell (which I admit is imperfectly), phoebe is saying that we fail in perfectly loving God by the way we love others, as evidenced by the way so many feel unloved.  And, as best I can tell (which I admit is imperfectly), you are saying either that God only loves us if we love Him, or that our salvation is conditional upon our love for God.  I may very well be wrong, as I don't know either of your intent.

On the other hand, your sister in Christ has told you twice that you misunderstand her.  That should be enough for you.  Why is it not?


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Re: Why Are People Feeling Unloved
« Reply #85 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 16:29:49 »
I think I'm beginning to see "Why Are People Feeling Unloved".

Thanks to da525382 and KMV for hearing me.

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« Reply #86 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 16:53:11 »
I think I'm beginning to see "Why Are People Feeling Unloved".

Thanks to da525382 and KMV for hearing me.


Here Phoebe.......have a hug!.......... ::huggingyou::


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« Reply #87 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 16:58:16 »
I think I'm beginning to see "Why Are People Feeling Unloved".

Thanks to da525382 and KMV for hearing me.


Well I love you sister.

BTW we are commanded to become Christ like, Hmmm..... God is love, we must become love, even if the world hates us. We feel unloved because we fail to love. It is more blessed to give than receive, giving love is better than receiving love.

Make it your goal to become the Love of Christ. Then I believe you will feel loved.

God loves us unconditionally, there are no conditions attached to God's love, giving or receiving.

He loves us even when we are bad, or unfaithful.

FTL

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« Reply #88 on: Sat May 03, 2008 - 17:40:03 »
Thanks guys.

I totally know that I am loved by God, even when I am at my most unlovable, because His love for me is a decision He made at Creation. That has never been a question for me.