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« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2009, 06:08:35 AM »

The answer is in this verse, " You search the scriptures, believing that in them you will find life, but you will not come to be so that I can give you eternal life". And for that same reason today, if Jesus came, He would have the same problem with Christians. They wont know Him because He would not fit into the image the have formed of Him. You see, you all read the bible. thinking it has all the answers, in that it will bring you life, but it does not, it tells you of Jesus, and He constantly in his words, calls you to Himself, yet you wont go to Jesus so that He can give you that life.



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« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2009, 06:10:42 AM »

I would rather that the law be written on my heart than knowing book, chapter, and verse.  Reading Amen!

Hallelujah!
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« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2009, 06:19:58 AM »

Please "gospel", don't contribute to this "confusion", and don't allow yourself to become one of those who is guilty of "offending one of these little ones".

Interesting...in that I don't see "gospel" doing that at all.  If anything, what he is saying is that with Christ in us; we are held to a higher standard then the law...much higher...a standard of Christ Himself which is love, taking on His nature, being united with Him in Spirit and understanding...

Even the atheist can keep the law (big deal); Jesus wants us to have a relationship with Him, to grow through His Spirit and the Word.  To grow out of sins such as lust, hate, envy, unresolved anger, deceit, lying, sexual sins (yes, even masturbation) and anything that brings harm to our neighbor...or fear into someones life.  When we have suffered enough, we are done with sin.  Sin is its own destruction...which will either bring that person to Christ for a new life in HIM; or...they will harden their heart to the point where sin is "there life" and they could care less what it does to those around them.

The law is good; there is no dispute there.  However, where is the relationship with the law?  It will only cause those that follow it...to judge others based on their knowledge of it.  Leaving little room for mercy...however, if we follow the law of Christ; we are to carry one anothers burdens...in other words; love one another.  The law brings only judgement.....love brings mercy and grace which leads to hope and salvation.

Love drives out fear...because fear has to do with Judgment...the one that loves, has nothing to fear; for they have fullfilled the law of Christ...and the glory goes to God, because we can only do this with His love/Spirit in us... 



Excellent post, very good paraphrase of John's words in his first letter.
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« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2009, 06:25:45 AM »

Do you all realize that most of the threads here in this section are dealing with Law? Just wondering why it takes so many threads to talk about the same thing?

Funny thing is this is a "grace centered forum" but many of it's participants are still very bound by the law, the letter that kills and always has resulted in death.
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« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2009, 06:40:24 AM »

Do you all realize that most of the threads here in this section are dealing with Law? Just wondering why it takes so many threads to talk about the same thing?

Funny thing is this is a "grace centered forum" but many of it's participants are still very bound by the law, the letter that kills and always has resulted in death.

And funny thing is such views as you and others present here border dangerously on the heresy of gnosticism.
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« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2009, 06:45:55 AM »

Do you all realize that most of the threads here in this section are dealing with Law? Just wondering why it takes so many threads to talk about the same thing?



Funny thing is this is a "grace centered forum" but many of it's participants are still very bound by the law, the letter that kills and always has resulted in death.

And funny thing is such views as you and others present here border dangerously on the heresy of gnosticism.


Tis  your opinion and your welcome to it but you might consider that Jesus was considered a heretic by the pharisees as well.
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« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2009, 06:46:06 AM »

I would rather that the law be written on my heart than knowing book, chapter, and verse.  Reading Amen!

But unless you can actually find that law in book, chapter and verse, you and only you are the judge of whether what is written on your heart is from God.  Faith comes from hearing not feeling.  Emotions are always to be subject to suspect.
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« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2009, 06:47:35 AM »

Do you all realize that most of the threads here in this section are dealing with Law? Just wondering why it takes so many threads to talk about the same thing?

Tis  your opinion and your welcome to it but you might consider that Jesus was considered a heretic by the pharisees as well.

Funny thing is this is a "grace centered forum" but many of it's participants are still very bound by the law, the letter that kills and always has resulted in death.

And funny thing is such views as you and others present here border dangerously on the heresy of gnosticism.

Are you reposting for emphasis?  If so, I guess I should thank you.
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« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2009, 06:54:56 AM »

Do you all realize that most of the threads here in this section are dealing with Law? Just wondering why it takes so many threads to talk about the same thing?

Tis  your opinion and your welcome to it but you might consider that Jesus was considered a heretic by the pharisees as well.

Funny thing is this is a "grace centered forum" but many of it's participants are still very bound by the law, the letter that kills and always has resulted in death.

And funny thing is such views as you and others present here border dangerously on the heresy of gnosticism.

Are you reposting for emphasis?  If so, I guess I should thank you.

No, I actually posted within your quote but I corrected it, sorry.
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« Reply #69 on: November 05, 2009, 06:56:25 AM »

I would rather that the law be written on my heart than knowing book, chapter, and verse.  Reading Amen!

But unless you can actually find that law in book, chapter and verse, you and only you are the judge of whether what is written on your heart is from God.  Faith comes from hearing not feeling.  Emotions are always to be subject to suspect.


Yes hearing not reading. You should really stop contradicting yourself it doesn't help your arguement.  Ever hear of HolySpirit?
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« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2009, 07:08:43 AM »

I would rather that the law be written on my heart than knowing book, chapter, and verse.  Reading Amen!

But unless you can actually find that law in book, chapter and verse, you and only you are the judge of whether what is written on your heart is from God.  Faith comes from hearing not feeling.  Emotions are always to be subject to suspect.


Yes hearing not reading. You should really stop contradicting yourself it doesn't help your arguement.  Ever hear of HolySpirit?

You see, I was afraid of that.  Another one hearing voices and presenting it as authentic with absolutely no sign of that authority or authenticity.  That is, as you should well know, the very definition of gnosis, i.e., mystical knowledge.  How many times that gets presented here at the forum as truth.  Tis sad indeed.
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« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2009, 07:36:55 AM »

Actually Bonnie, He was talking to the Pharisees at the time ..

Yes, He was. The Pharisees great sin was that they didn't love God and only worshipped him with their lips.

This may have some truth to it...but as Paul pointed out; before he came to Christ, he put all his confidence in the flesh...and followed the law to the letter.


I thought Christ was the only human to ever completely keep the law.
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« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2009, 07:44:31 AM »

Do you all realize that most of the threads here in this section are dealing with Law? Just wondering why it takes so many threads to talk about the same thing?

Funny thing is this is a "grace centered forum" but many of it's participants are still very bound by the law, the letter that kills and always has resulted in death.

And funny thing is such views as you and others present here border dangerously on the heresy of gnosticism.

Amen, Jimmy!
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« Reply #73 on: November 05, 2009, 12:49:43 PM »

I would rather that the law be written on my heart than knowing book, chapter, and verse.  Reading Amen!

But unless you can actually find that law in book, chapter and verse, you and only you are the judge of whether what is written on your heart is from God.  Faith comes from hearing not feeling.  Emotions are always to be subject to suspect.


Yes hearing not reading. You should really stop contradicting yourself it doesn't help your arguement.  Ever hear of HolySpirit?

You see, I was afraid of that.  Another one hearing voices and presenting it as authentic with absolutely no sign of that authority or authenticity.  That is, as you should well know, the very definition of gnosis, i.e., mystical knowledge.  How many times that gets presented here at the forum as truth.  Tis sad indeed.

You're afraid because fear is the problem. The letter of the Law produces fear and why would it not?
It's the Law of sin and death!

It magnifies the dread of separation from God, judgment, condemnation and guilt....every thing Jesus endured to free us from.

So of course you're afraid, you wrongly believe you are still a servant to the Law of Sin and Death consequently ...you're afraid.

Particularly afraid of the freedom we have in Christ. Someone mentions hearing or being led by The Holy Spirit and you're afraid because you see that as weird.
You should be careful not be counted among those that mock The Spirit of God and those who reverence Him as such.
Belittling a brother, equating his statement as hearing voices, calling things of The Spirit gnostic because he said he hears or we should hear the Holy Spirit is mockery!
The Pharisees did that to Jesus, attributing the source of His Power and ministry to Satan!

The Holy Spirit is God, if you don't hear God you will have bi-g-g-g-g problems living a true Christian life by the wisdom of man based on logic and reason.

God's ways are not like our way and often do not make sense in the wisdom of men
therefore the wisdom of men will inevitably lead one to belittle and mock the very presence as well as the acts of God.

At this point I will remind you, it was only the mockers who did not hear God on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2. Quite naturally they were not counted among the 3000 saved that day.  Pondering

For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength
. 1 Cor 1:25

( also see Isaiah 55:8,9)

Meanwhile Jesus said

"My sheep hear my voice"
( John 10:27. John 10:16 )

He also said

The Holy Spirit will "speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." ( John 16:13 )

Hearing Jesus is necessary and essential, this is why during the transfiguration when Peter suggested putting up 3 shelters for Moses, Elijah and Jesus

God interrupted and spoke a clear resounding message

Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” Mark 9:7  

The meaning of this message is made even more clear by what followed

Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Jesus Mark 9:8

Jesus is our ALL IN ALL!!!

As far as fear and being afraid of being led by God The Holy Spirit. Jesus often said be not afraid.

Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (John 14:27)

We have no more reason to fear and fear is not of God. Slaves fear but the children love because they know they are loved

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 2 Tim 1:7


For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "Abba! Father!
Romans 8:15


For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
Romans 8:2

Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God. 1 Peter 2:16
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« Reply #74 on: November 05, 2009, 03:17:05 PM »

I would rather that the law be written on my heart than knowing book, chapter, and verse.  Reading Amen!

But unless you can actually find that law in book, chapter and verse, you and only you are the judge of whether what is written on your heart is from God.  Faith comes from hearing not feeling.  Emotions are always to be subject to suspect.


Yes hearing not reading. You should really stop contradicting yourself it doesn't help your arguement.  Ever hear of HolySpirit?

You see, I was afraid of that.  Another one hearing voices and presenting it as authentic with absolutely no sign of that authority or authenticity.  That is, as you should well know, the very definition of gnosis, i.e., mystical knowledge.  How many times that gets presented here at the forum as truth.  Tis sad indeed.

I would quote Jesus but you would probably question it also, so simply wont bother.
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