Give it a try.  I have had many people (mis)quote Jesus to me, but perhaps you have something better.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

I have no fear of what most of those others are hearing.  It is obvious what the source might be given the fact that too many times it is in direct opposition to what the Holy Spirit has already given us by way of the Bible.  My fear is not of them but for them.

How noble of you to show so much concern for Jiggy and others but...
.... in the comment in which you expressed being afraid, nothing was stated that would warrant you telling someone they were hearing voices other than that of the Holy Spirit.

It seemed to me you got offended because Jiggy suggested that you were not being led of the Holy Spirit in your reading of the scripture.
It seemed to me that he was inferring that you understood the letter of the Law while ignoring the Spirit.
I could be wrong but truthfully I must admit that many times you do not seemed to be led by the Holy Spirit but by the letter.
A lot of the time it seems that you have the goal in mind of telling most of us we don't know what we're talking about or we don't understand the bible.

That stated
 
This discussion is one of a few that I started. Most of the comments were geared toward people giving the reasons they thought most appropriate to the original question of this discussion as to why the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees, like you, as experts in the "reading" of scripture were so lacking in their "spiritual hearing" that they could not hear the voice of God the Son... nor recognize Him in any degree at all.

Your comment expressing your fear of Jiggy hearing voices seemed to infer he didn't understand, comprehend or reverence the Written Word, which as we ( should ) know, is only shadow of the Living Word, which is Jesus, and therefore in reading the Written Word we are required to hear, listen and be led by the voice of God the Holy Spirit who is the only one who can decisively explain and make clear to us what the Written Word means as it relates to what the Living Word Jesus is saying and has said

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you
John 14:26

But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come John 16:13

Bonnie on the other hand gave a great answer earlier. She said their hearts were far from Jesus.
The question then follows is this.....what is it about the Law that causes those who "pride" themselves as experts in it to mock, ridicule, miss, trip and stumble over that which God Himself considers most important which is the purpose behind His Word, The Revelation of Jesus the Christ and the Redemption of Man?
Or.....
...What causes people who are experts in reading the Law to have hearts that are far from God?

Put another way.... if the experts, that being the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees could not see Jesus in the Garden, in the Flood, in Joseph, in the Exodus, in the Wilderness, in the Tabernacle, in the Priestly Garments, in the Psalms or by the voice of the Prophets....

....but the tax collectors, the lepers, the prostitutes and all the outsiders could,
What would make anyone today want to hold a position that puts them in a category of "godliness" that would not recognize Jesus, and that Jesus did not give any kudos whatsoever for their expertise and did not even come for in the first place?

It's a long question but I think it restates and clarifies my reason for posting this thread in the 1st place  

For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost." Luke 19:10

I've come to call sinners to change the way they think and act, not to call people who think they have God's approval. Luke 5:32 ( GWT )

Both John 14:26 and 16:13 were directed specifically to the disciples, not anyone else.  That you would claim authority from Jesus that was given to the disciples is truly amazing.

Therein lies the problem....Even though you are well read, you really don't know what you are reading

Jesus sent out 70 ...do you know who they were? (Luke 10:1)

They were disciples you know!
120 were in the Upper room ....do you know who they were? They were disciples as well..you do realize that don't you? ( Acts 1 )

Stephen was the 1st Martyr...he was a deacon and not one of the 12, He was full of the Holy Spirit...  ( Acts 7:65)

“Ananias was not one of the 12, yet it was He Jesus spoke to to go minister to Paul then Saul ( Acts 9:12 )

You have got to be joking if you don't realize, Peter quoting the prophet Joel in Acts 2, along with what Paul in Romans 8 and so much more in the bible, does not make it abundantly clear that the Promise of the Holy Spirit was given to All who receive Jesus!!!

Don't you even know He resides in every believer not just the 12?
Geesh!!

Have a good weekend everyone

But here lies the dilema who's version of His written word? Jimmy's version, Bonnie's, Jiggyfly's???   No only the HolySpiriit's version is truth.

Spoken like the gospel we have come to know here at the forum  --  judgmental to the core.


Yes I do.  And you are not one of them.  They were 70 people specifically chosen by Jesus to perform a specific function for Him in His earthly ministry.  And it was likely only temporary for the specific mission that Jesus sent them on at that particular time.  You have no part in their mission or ministry or their empowerment. One of the keys to interpretation of any passage of Scripture is to determine the following four keys:
  1)  Who is speaking in the passage,
  2)  To who are they speaking,
  3)  What did it mean to whom it was spoken,
and
  4)  How does it apply to us today

You clearly have not done a very good job at answering those four question concerning the 70.

And by the way, Judas was one of the 12 disciples -- certainly more distinctive than the 70.  Do you take what Jesus said to him and apply it to yourself as well?



And if you have spent any time in studying that passage, you would know that there is question concerning what the 120 actually experienced.  Whether Acts 2:4 applies to the 120 in addition to the 12 is pure conjecture.


First it doesn't meantion anywhere that he was a deacon.  But moreover it is clear that whatever supernatural power he enjoyed, he most likely received it by the laying on of hands of the 12.  That is something that I am almost certain that you have not experienced.

Act 6:6  And these they brought before the apostles; and after praying, they laid their hands on them.


And what. dear gospel. does that have to do with you.  Go again to the four basic questions that I presented above.  The situation with Ananias is clearly presented as an historical record concerning the conversion of Saul and not one of general counsel to the believer.


Again, you should know that Peter's quoting Joel in Acts 2 was directed at what the audience was seeing and hearing from the apostles (and perhaps the 120, but not likely) and has nothing to do with you necessarily.

And yes I know that the Holy Spirit dwells in the Christian.  But I know also that the Holy Spirit filled many different people for many different reasons.  Not all involved the giving of supernatural abilities.  The promise of the Holy Spirit being given is the promise of salvation, not necessarily the promise of working miracles.

That from just a cursory reading of the Bible should be apparent to you (but obviously isn't)

gospel, it says in Exodus,

Exo 31:1  Now the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
Exo 31:2  "See, I have called by name Bezalel, the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah.
Exo 31:3  "And I have filled him with the Spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all kinds of craftsmanship,
Exo 31:4  to make artistic designs for work in gold, in silver, and in bronze,
Exo 31:5  and in the cutting of stones for settings, and in the carving of wood, that he may work in all kinds of craftsmanship.

Do you usurp that filling with the Holy Spirit as you seem to do other mentions of filling with the Spirit?


Yes indeed  --  Geesh!!    Such a marvelous description of the nonsense you presented.