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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #105 on: Mon Jul 05, 2021 - 13:12:10 »
Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
(Act 2:38)

'Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.'
(Act 22:16)

Two among many I could cite.
Agreed.  We just put a totally different sense on them so as not to take away from justification by grace through the obedience of ONE PERSON, not Christ and mine, or yours, etc. but Christ's faith ALONE.

Acts 2:38 is so easily understood within its CONTEXT and will be supported by other scriptures.  ::smile::

I must address 4WD first, then you, maybe tomorrow since we have grandchildren here at the moment that requires my time.

John, on another note: have you or anyone else heard form soterion? I wonder if he's okay health wise since it's been a while since  we have heard from him.

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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #106 on: Wed Jul 07, 2021 - 04:38:32 »
First, my reply #97 applies to most of your post here as well. 
::pondering:: Since you did not truly comment, not sure how you thnk it applies here.
Quote from: 4WD Reply #98 on: Mon Jul 05, 2021 - 07:19:37
John 1:13 alludes to the fact that spiritual rebirth [regeneration] is distinguished from physical birth in that it is not the result of procreation.
4WD, it said so much more than that, and I think you know that to be so.
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It does not preclude the actions of the one being reborn.  In fact, the previous verse ascribes rebirth to "all who did receive him, who believed in his name", that is faith.
Your "in fact is, not a biblical fact~it is a wishful fact on your part where you desire others to believe it as biblical truth.
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John 1:11-13~"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
If one carefully follows the context of John's words they should see: 

1. He who created the world and all things therein came into the world that he created~and the world (those unregenerate) knew him not~that is, in their natural understanding and power without the gift to see and hear could not see him to be our sin offering unto God as a payment for our sins!

2. He came unto the JEWISH people, his own people after the flesh, and those who knew him not that were not the children of God's promises~some did but according to Jesus himself that was a gift given.
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
Matthew 16:13-17~"When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
So far it should be clear to any unbias person and a lover of the truths of God.

3. After John 1:11,12 we read these words which are connected with what was previously stated:
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John 1:12~But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
The exact words that Jesus said to Peter in Matthew 16. THe world did not know Jesus, and neither did his own people received him~"BUT" those that did, the POWER/RIGHT to do so was given~again listen carefully to John's words:
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But as many as received him, to them gave he the power to become the sons of God
It could not have been said any clearer than what the apostle John said~the POWER/RIGHT to become the sons of God were given~even to such as only believe on his name, which had no works of righteousness beforehand!

John 1:13  is the Holy Spirit's COMMENTARY on John 1:12!
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John 1:13~Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

4. 4WD, in John 1:13, John clearly gives a commentary on verse 12 and explained how one receives Jesus Christ. It is NOT by the power of our WILLS, since our will is in bondage to sin and Satan before we are born of God. Also, it not by the will of another man and his gift of preaching, or his gift of persuading, or in some cases threatening people with a burning hell, to the altar, etc. And it is not through as you said procreation.

The new birth is total OF GOD, man is passive ~God is the only active person in our new birth which can occur anytime after procreation and before death. John the Baptist and the thief on the cross are the two prime examples of this.

Later I'll come back to work on answering your post. RB
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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #107 on: Wed Jul 07, 2021 - 07:54:07 »
John 1:11-13 He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him.  But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.


4WD, in John 1:13, John clearly gives a commentary on verse 12 and explained how one receives Jesus Christ. It is NOT by the power of our WILLS, since our will is in bondage to sin and Satan before we are born of God. Also, it not by the will of another man and his gift of preaching, or his gift of persuading, or in some cases threatening people with a burning hell, to the altar, etc. And it is not through as you said procreation.

The new birth is total OF GOD, man is passive ~God is the only active person in our new birth which can occur anytime after procreation and before death. John the Baptist and the thief on the cross are the two prime examples of this.
I don't understand how you can so completely misread and misunderstand the straightforward reading of these verses.

Yes the new birth is total OF GOD, man is passive.  God is the only active person in our new birth.  That much of what you say is absolutely the truth. But that is not the where you mistake what is being said.  What you get wrong is the rest of statement, namely,
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"which can occur anytime after procreation and before death. John the Baptist and the thief on the cross are the two prime examples of this."
First of all, the Bible never tells us that either John the Baptist or the thief on the cross were ever born again.  That is pure eisegesis on your part.  Second of all, as I said, there is no question that God is the only active agent in regeneration. The question to be answered is who does God regenerate.  Verse 12 answers that question. It was "all who did receive him, who believed in his name"  Those are the ones that were given the right, the power, to receive the gift of regeneration.  RB, that is what the verse says and that is what the verse means.  God, through the Holy Spirit, has identified specifically who are given the right, the power, to become children of God.  It is the ones who believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God.  Believing in His name, i.e., Jesus' name, is the precursor to receiving that gift.  That is precisely in line with Paul's statement about the gospel, when he said the gospel "is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes" (Rom 1:16).

I would add here that contrary to those who claim that salvation is by faith alone, it is not declared that they were made children by believing, but by believing God gives the power to become a child. When one believes in Christ, when one has faith in Christ, his faith leads him to yield himself to God and to receive the Word into his heart. He can then repent of sin, surrender to the will of the Father, and, being baptized into Christ, he puts on Christ, God forgives his sins and gives him the gift of the Holy Spirit and in doing so he becomes  a child of God by adoption.

So that while in all of that God is the only active agent in the act of regeneration, i.e., rebirth, it is "all who did receive him, who believed in his name" that were given the right, the power, to become children of God.

And I would simply add here that none of that contradicts verse 13; but rather is precisely what it says.

And finally I have to point out that verse 12 flies in face of your adherence to the doctrine of Total Depravity.  But that of course is precisely why you have to distort the clear meaning of the passage and insert into the passage what isn't there.

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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #108 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 02:09:20 »
What is a child in the kingdom?

God is spirit and we worship him in spirit and in truth. The spiritual kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of earth .

We all who are born again are babies . Into what kingdom. Not of the earth, as you could be 95 years old. The day you receive him you are a baby. In the spiritual kingdom. So now, he gives us, the power to become children of God. Why? His desire is for us to be with him .

God is spirit. We have been given the right , the legal blood access to be with him. By going into his spiritual kingdom,  by starting to expand reach out with our inner man that has become awoken . Born again. As we start to engage him with the word , prayer and worship and sometimes just looking around us in amazement , and really not knowing but dreaming of knowing him more. We start to act like a child does , when he or she first enters the earthly world. Playing in the sandpit, looking up at mum and dad with that look.

We must become a child to enter his kingdom. His kingdom is not this earthly kingdom where we walk as adults.

Yes all the cows on the hills are his
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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #110 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 04:54:18 »
I don't understand how you can so completely misread and misunderstand the straightforward reading of these verses.
4WD, I can understand how folks miss the truth, for the power to see the truth is given to folk~it is true it is base upon a few things, but the bottom line is God MUST open eyes and ears to see and hear before one can.
Quote from: JESUS CHRIST
John 8:43~“Why do ye not understand My speech? Even because ye cannot hear My word!”
From the human side:

“Even because ye cannot hear my word.”~The word “hear” signifies to receive and believe~compare John 9:27; 10:3; 12:47; Acts 3:22, 23, etc. And why was it that these Jews “could not hear”~the Jews because they were still in their sins....children of God at times cannot hear because they have in the past listen to other voices which they gave heed to, and the truth to them seems to be untrue! It is very hard to unlearn the error one has received and believed for years.

Speaking from the Divine side, for true it is that the Lord Himself must prepare the heart [Proverbs 16:1] and give the hearing ear [Proverbs 20:12]. It is God’s sovereign and gracious choice that any hear or see spiritual truths. Hearing and seeing are not rights; they are blessed privileges. And the greatest gift of hearing and seeing is the ability and desire to discern and receive the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ and the words of wisdom and truth.

A deaf or blind child is not an accident. It is not a result of fate. It cannot be overturned by science. It is the choice of the true God. He is perfect in all choices, and He makes thousands of such choices for each person. His power is unlimited and his authority absolute. As the Creator of a rebellious race, He has the right to do as He chooses.

We were not even consulted if we wanted to live, if we wanted existence. Consider his infinite authority and sovereignty over us. Once we were alive, we could not turn off our existence. Suicide only kills our body. Our existence is the choice of Almighty God without our agreement.

He chose our generation of birth, our height, the nation of origin, sex, parents, temperament, siblings, intelligence, athletic ability, opportunities in life, and every other factor that influences our existence. He is the LORD! We are nothing! He is the Potter! We are the clay! His choices have drastically affected our life without our approval.

Do we humbly believe what we have said so far? God warns about us fighting against Him (Is 45:9). Since He is the Potter, and We are the clay, he considers our arguments fit only for broken pieces of pottery to exchange with each other. The clay does not even have the right to question the Potter when a human form is made without hands (Is 45:9).

We must humble ourselves before this great and dreadful God. Crush our vain thoughts. Give Him praise and worship. Adore Him. Thank Him for all that we have and are. Offer Him all that we have and are. Beg Him for mercy for our sins. Dedicate our life to Him, today.

When the disciples saw a man born blind, they knew it had been God’s choice. Jesus told them it was for God’s glory (John 9:1-3). Would God blind a man for 30 years just for His own glory? Easily! Would God put a man out to pasture like an ox for His own glory? Definitely! Read Daniel 4 about Nebuchadnezzar. Do we love and fear this God?

Spiritual hearing and sight are much more important than physical. It is only by God’s free grace that any sinners are given spiritual ears and eyes to hear and see the things of God. Most men do not think about God in any meaningful way their entire lives (Psalms 10:4). Spiritual senses are given when you are born again. You received natural hearing and vision at your first birth; you receive spiritual hearing and vision at your second birth.

Jesus said, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3). And also, “He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47). Both sight and hearing are the gifts of God. Jesus Christ hid the truth from the Jews, but He revealed it to His disciples (Matthew 11:25-27; 13:10-16).

Why do most men not even consider God and truth? Why do most men think the gospel to be foolish? God has not opened their ears to hear it with understanding and conviction. Why do most see His glorious creation and ascribe their existence to evolution and fate? God has not opened their eyes to see Him or His truth. You depend on God’s choice.

Have you wondered why family and/or friends do not appreciate the things God has shown you in His word? Why are they not convicted like you about God and godliness? You know what would happen if you have ever confronted classmates or colleagues about Jesus Christ, coming judgment, and living a holy life. They would reject your words and hate you. What is the explanation? You have hearing ears and seeing eyes – they do not.

There are no human means that can create hearing to ears and sight to eyes. Only the LORD can do this great work. Manmade evangelistic efforts to sound the gospel to deaf ears or show the Saviour to blind eyes are foolish and vain. The gospel is only heard and seen by those already born again, men with hearing ears and seeing eyes (Ist Corinthians 1:18,24; 2:14-15).

Salvation is of the Lord! God has chosen some to eternal life (Ephesians 1:4). He sent Jesus Christ to die for their sins, and He will surely regenerate and glorify them (Romans 8:29-33). He gives them hearing ears and seeing eyes. Luke described those who believed Paul this way: “And as many as were ordained to eternal life believed” (Acts 13:48).

How is a man born again with spiritual ears and eyes? Jesus the Son of God commands him to come to life and resurrects his soul from spiritual death (John 5:25-29). This glorious work is by the power and grace of God, without any human cooperation (John 1:13; 3:8; Romans 9:16; Ephesians 1:19-20; 2:1-10). The Lord Jesus Christ exercises the same creative power He used to bring forth light in the beginning (2nd Corinthians 4:3-6; Ephesians 2:10).

Only after that great event will we or can we hear and see the things of God. It is then that pagans like Cornelius begin fearing God, praying each day, and giving alms to the poor (Acts 10:1-4). And when the gospel is brought to such a man by the providence of God, he believes and obeys it as the glorious news that it is (Acts 10:33,44-48).

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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #111 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 05:55:32 »
4WD, I can understand how folks miss the truth, for the power to see the truth is given to folk~it is true it is base upon a few things, but the bottom line is God MUST open eyes and ears to see and hear before one can.
You did it again. You have just named God as the responsible agent for all who fail to believe and thus are condemned. You will argue that they are condemned because they have sinned.  But all have sinned so that is not the deciding factor. Therefore, according to you, the distinguishing characteristic between those who receive the gift of eternal life and those who receive eternal condemnation has nothing to do with their sins; it has to do with God not opening their eyes to see and their ears to hear.  According to you the failure that leads to condemnation is not man's failure; rather it is God's failure.  All that He needed to do was to open their eyes to see and their ears to hear, but He failed to do that.  You have placed the blame for all those condemned to hell strictly on God.  It is not their fault; it is God's fault.  That is your theology; your soteriology.  And that is the basis for all your failure to truly understand any of God's word concerning His plan of salvation for mankind.

You can perhaps convince yourself that God can choose to do anything; but that is not true.  God cannot choose to lie.  His righteousness will not permit Him to lie.  There are actually a lot of things that God cannot do.  God cannot choose to do wrong; He cannot sin.  God cannot go against His promise.  God cannot choose to be unjust.  God cannot change; He is perfect; He cannot choose to not be perfect.  He cannot choose to be spiritually ungracious to anyone.

You can disregard all of that and accept instead the false theology of election/reprobation.  The entire rest of your post  is basically the affirmation of your acceptance of that false theology. 
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« Reply #112 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:04:54 »
You did it again. You have just named God as the responsible agent for all who fail to believe and thus are condemned. You will argue that they are condemned because they have sinned.  But all have sinned so that is not the deciding factor.
To me that is one of the biggest downfalls of the T.U.L.I.P. core of Calvinism.  Unconditional election, point #2, is that God has chosen some to eternal life, and doomed the rest to eternal torture; based on absolutely nothing the person does one way or the other. That is capriciousness in the extreme; and is altogether the opposite of the God of the Bible, who is described as a loving Father.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

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« Reply #113 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:08:59 »
4 WD I ask you a question. Why doesn't God not come down upon every person with party balloons and birthday cake saying it’s your born again day before you die?

He doesn’t. Has he the ability to do so?  Maybe not a born again cake with candles, but at least a burning bush?

If his desire is that none shall perish but receive eternal life ....why not?  Why not make it so clear that without receiving him they would perish?

Why not? Why are there people  that the lights go on and others not?

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« Reply #114 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:13:20 »
Saul to Paul another example. How could he not believe .

But the thief’s on the cross.one sore him , one did not.

Ones eyes was opened the other closed. He was right there before them both . What had one to loose right before there death not to get that free ticket . One could see, the other could not.

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« Reply #115 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:13:34 »
To me that is one of the biggest downfalls of the T.U.L.I.P. core of Calvinism.  Unconditional election, point #2, is that God has chosen some to eternal life, and doomed the rest to eternal torture; based on absolutely nothing the person does one way or the other. That is capriciousness in the extreme; and is altogether the opposite of the God of the Bible, who is described as a loving Father.
It is not capriciousness; it is heresy.

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« Reply #116 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:38:16 »
God destroyed the world by flood and will do again by fire. That’s man women children babies . Babies who have done nothing wrong. All the other times it’s normally just natural disasters.

There is a time that God commands it to be done like S&G

Sodom and Gomorrah Would have had Little boys and girls and babies as well.


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« Reply #117 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:42:51 »
God also took the first born in Egypt. Commanded it

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« Reply #118 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:43:24 »
4 WD I ask you a question. Why doesn't God not come down upon every person with party balloons and birthday cake saying it’s your born again day before you die?
God doesn't do that for anyone, let alone everyone. 

Rom 10:5  For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them.
Rom 10:6  But the righteousness based on faith says, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down)
Rom 10:7  or "'Who will descend into the abyss?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
Rom 10:8  But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
Rom 10:9  because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10  For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11  For the Scripture says, "Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame."
Rom 10:12  For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13  For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Rom 10:14  How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
Rom 10:15  And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!"
Rom 10:16  But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?"
Rom 10:17  So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
Rom 10:18  But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for "Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world."
Rom 10:19  But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, "I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry."
Rom 10:20  Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, "I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me."
Rom 10:21  But of Israel he says, "All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people."

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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #119 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:48:21 »
He loved Israel so much he didn’t let Egypt to prevail .

He loves us so much he will not let sin go on forever.

His love is proved to us in HIS righteous judgement

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« Reply #120 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:54:12 »
He loves us so much he will not let sin go on forever.
  Who is us?

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« Reply #121 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:57:09 »
It is not capriciousness; it is heresy.
That someone would act that way is capricious. 

That God is capricious is heresy.

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« Reply #122 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 06:59:34 »
4wd he did . Moses and the burning bush. Saul was blinded and was spoken too. All Israel sore God descend upon the mountain and was afraid. Many people throughout the world have had encounters with him. It happens and with others it doesn’t.

The ones outside of this are 2 kinds. They have heard the gospel and have had there inner man convicted of there sins.

Others have heard the gospel and the light hasn’t gone on. Especially those in other religions or who have a strong belief system. Like science people who believe we came from apes.

You speak to a believer who rejected Christ. They say it didn’t make any sense. Then one day it did. The light went on

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« Reply #123 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 07:00:35 »
  Who is us?
who is Israel in Egypt’s time.

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« Reply #124 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 07:10:00 »
4 WD was you saved as a child?   Like thats all you have ever known ?

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« Reply #125 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 07:57:34 »
Then he shows his love this way as well. By doing nothing.

He allows his children to get snuffed chocked out . Chocked out  by evil people and there evil ways . We pray and he does nothing about it. The world doesn’t understand his ways. His ways are higher than ours

Curse God and die they say . How has God ever helped you , the God you love.

We know better because we have the word of God

Matthew 13:24-30
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The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’

It’s a strange kind of love ...right. His wisdom is above us

But even though all these  trials and tribulations comes against us ....we still love him. Lol

The world doesn’t see and nor can they. They are blind
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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #126 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 09:08:22 »
Who made the world blind?

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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #127 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 13:31:52 »
4 WD I ask you a question. Why doesn't God not come down upon every person with party balloons and birthday cake saying it’s your born again day before you die?
Now, I've heard a lot over my many years of walking in the Christian faith, but Mark, that's a FIRST~it made me laugh out loud!I kinda read it a little different than the way you intended, regardless either way it is still funny.

I heard that and thought to myself~"we actually DO NOT KNOW when God quickened our hearts and made us a new creation after the image of Jesus Christ"~we only can remember the times when we being to see and believe to a point we changed our way of living, thinking, and our outlook on life, etc.

Well, Mark, thank you for giving me a different perception of God viewing when we got born of the Spirit of God. It would be nice (I'm speaking a little foolish, the Lord forgive us) if God threw a big birthday party for each of us.  ::smile::
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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #128 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 15:30:22 »
Now, I've heard a lot over my many years of walking in the Christian faith, but Mark, that's a FIRST~it made me laugh out loud!I kinda read it a little different than the way you intended, regardless either way it is still funny.

I heard that and thought to myself~"we actually DO NOT KNOW when God quickened our hearts and made us a new creation after the image of Jesus Christ"~we only can remember the times when we being to see and believe to a point we changed our way of living, thinking, and our outlook on life, etc.

Well, Mark, thank you for giving me a different perception of God viewing when we got born of the Spirit of God. It would be nice (I'm speaking a little foolish, the Lord forgive us) if God threw a big birthday party for each of us.  ::smile::
lol. Yes it’s funny. I thought it I wrote it laughing.

Luke 15 The Lost sheep, the lost coin, the lost son

5 And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6 And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

9 And when she has found it, she calls her friends and neighbors together, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the piece which I lost!’ 10 Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

22 “But the father said to his servants, [f]‘Bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet. 23 And bring the fatted calf here and kill it, and let us eat and be merry; 24 for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry.



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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #129 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 15:39:14 »
Who made the world blind?
we are born into darkness. I don’t see toddlers running around praising God unless they are within a church setting. Taught by there parents. They also have a veil upon there face. The veil is removed when we receive the blood. No man can come to the father but through Jesus Christ. The blood protects us or we would die. We get covered in His Glory. His righteousness.
2cor 4

3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 Colossians 1:13-14
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13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and [a]conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #130 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 15:59:47 »
we are born into darkness.
I don't believe that; but if true, who caused that? 

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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #131 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 16:59:32 »
I don't believe that; but if true, who caused that?
well blame thing is a seperate issue . What we do know is he saved, delivered us from the power of darkness. It means we was captive there. In darkness. You cant see in the dark. You can’t know Gods goodness . He delivered us from the POWER OF DARKNESS  he CONVEYED  (moved ) us into his  Kingdom . That means we was in  another kingdom......we had another father . The dark one

Colossians 1:13-14
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13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and [a]conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
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Re: Why I believe eternal security is biblical part 1
« Reply #132 on: Thu Jul 22, 2021 - 17:04:23 »
This can only happen because of verse 14 ..

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins

 

     
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