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Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« on: Sun Mar 15, 2020 - 12:52:40 »
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In the very beginning, human life was immortal (Gen 1:26-27) plus; up till the time of the Flood, man and beast lived in peaceful co-existence together (Gen 2:19-20 & Gen 9:2) so the little critters-- e.g. viruses, bacteria, fleas, mites, mosquitoes, and lice, et al --posed no dangers to public health and safety back then.

Also in the very beginning, human life was the master of all other forms of life (Gen 1:28) so that before any one of the little critters could proceed to harm human life, it would've needed their intended victim's permission to do so.

I really don't think it was ever God's intended purpose for human life to lose either its mastery or its immortality, nor for the animal kingdom to turn against Man in a full-out rebellion. For sure God saw all that coming, but I seriously doubt that He's to blame for instigating any of it.
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« Reply #1 on: Sun Mar 15, 2020 - 19:20:29 »
Viruses need a host to survive, it's unlikely the strains we know of today existed before man.

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« Reply #2 on: Sun Mar 15, 2020 - 21:57:25 »
Please let not blame the animal kingdom, but the men who abuse, torture and eat wild animals. Of course many believe it was created in a lab.

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« Reply #3 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 01:39:57 »
Please let not blame the animal kingdom, but the men who abuse, torture and eat wild animals. Of course many believe it was created in a lab.

Blame it on Eve and Adam?

Ultimately, blame it on the ancient serpent, Satan?

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« Reply #4 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 02:04:46 »
Please let not blame the animal kingdom, but the men who abuse, torture and eat wild animals. Of course many believe it was created in a lab.

Yeah, people believe a lot of things. Some even believe that abuse and torture create new viruses.
The reality is that most diseases that are linked to animals come from domesticated lifestock or from the mere presence of animals.
In the case of Covid19, a link with the consumption of wild animals is not at all established.

Theologically speaking, all diseases and misfortune that hits creation only has one origin: evil.
Man abandoned God and this is what you get.

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« Reply #5 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 03:52:00 »
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He "allowed" the Chinese to do so ........NOT that they are righteous, contrary to that, they are evil with no fear of God whatsoever, only a "few" exceptions within them no doubt.

I cannot prove this and neither can anyone outside of the powers that be in China~ just I believe this may be the source of the origin...WHY? There are a few reasons that could be given. But, bottom line, AVZ is correct in what he said.
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Theologically speaking, all diseases and misfortune that hits creation only has one origin: evil. Man abandoned God and this is what you get.
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« Reply #6 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 04:29:54 »
Yeah, people believe a lot of things. Some even believe that abuse and torture create new viruses.
The reality is that most diseases that are linked to animals come from domesticated lifestock or from the mere presence of animals.
In the case of Covid19, a link with the consumption of wild animals is not at all established.

Theologically speaking, all diseases and misfortune that hits creation only has one origin: evil.
Man abandoned God and this is what you get.

IF you abuse and torture and eat wild animals we aren't supposed to, then we are asking for trouble. There are consequences for that sort of appalling behaviour.
From evil comes evil.

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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« Reply #7 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 06:42:42 »

Why Would God Create Coronavirus? He didn't.

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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« Reply #8 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 07:27:25 »
Viruses need a host to survive, it's unlikely the strains we know of today existed before man.

I agree that the strains we know today likely are newer, perhaps mutating or mans interference.
But remember, ahost can be an animal.

Even if you are YE, animals came before man.

Even if you are evolutionist, most will say animals came before man.


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« Reply #9 on: Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 07:35:01 »
Yeah, people believe a lot of things. Some even believe that abuse and torture create new viruses.


Unfortunately we will never know the truth.

Man has used animals in their experimenting and who knows what effects that has had?

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In the case of Covid19, a link with the consumption of wild animals is not at all established.

It does not have to be consumption. But what if it was man-made and injected testing into animals.... that ultimately got spread?

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« Reply #10 on: Tue Mar 17, 2020 - 23:20:17 »
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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?

According to Gen 2:1-2, God completed the current cosmos with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy in six days and then took a break on the seventh day.

All the other days of creation were bounded by an evening and a morning; but the seventh day wasn't bounded, it's open-ended; which tells me that God has been on sabbatical ever since then and hasn't created anything new for the current cosmos in all this time, so all of nature's virus species, in one form or another, have always been here.

Ecc 1:10 . . Is there anything of which one can say: "Look! This is something new." It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time.

Anyway, we could ask the OP's question about lots of other things in nature too like toad stools, poison ivy, lightening, rattlesnakes, scorpions, avalanches, thorns, swamp water, quicksand, tornadoes, typhoons, hurricanes, cactus needles, tsunamis, Carrington events, UV light, gamma rays, rip tides, the vacuum of space, earthquakes, fire, lava, lead, cadmium, and arsenic and hemlock.

Those things can be hazardous, yes, but they were all created to fit into the natural scheme of things; and God pronounced them all just as much "very good" as He pronounced everything else.

The problem isn't coronavirus nor any other virus for that matter. The real problem is humanity's mortality. Once that's remedied, then all those hazards will become curiosities instead of threats to public health and safety.
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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« Reply #11 on: Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 08:25:44 »
. In the very beginning, human life was immortal (Gen 1:26-27) plus; up till the time of the Flood, man and beast lived in peaceful co-existence together (Gen 2:19-20 & Gen 9:2) so the little critters-- e.g. viruses, bacteria, fleas, mites, mosquitoes, and lice, et al --posed no dangers to public health and safety back then. Also in the very beginning, human life was the master of all other forms of life (Gen 1:28) so that before any one of the little critters could proceed to harm human life, it would've needed their intended victim's permission to do so. I really don't think it was ever God's intended purpose for human life to lose either its mastery or its immortality, nor for the animal kingdom to turn against Man in a full-out rebellion. For sure God saw all that coming, but I seriously doubt that He's to blame for instigating any of it. _

I totally agree, he isn't to blame for all of this, satan is! once satan cause the first couple to sin again Jehovah God. that sin brought on death ,(Rom. 5:12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned). as well as sickness because every living being, both humans and animals because imperfect. peace

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 22:14:12 »
Jojo +1.
Chosen you don’t think we should eat wild animals?

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« Reply #13 on: Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 23:38:31 »
I totally agree, he isn't to blame for all of this, satan is! once satan cause the first couple to sin again Jehovah God. that sin brought on death ,(Rom. 5:12 When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned). as well as sickness because every living being, both humans and animals because imperfect. peace

Neither Satan is to blame for all of this, nor did Satan "cause" Adam and Eve to sin.
Yes, Satan has a part to play, but man is his own cause for the state he is in right now.

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« Reply #14 on: Fri Mar 20, 2020 - 23:55:49 »
Neither Satan is to blame for all of this, nor did Satan "cause" Adam and Eve to sin.
Yes, Satan has a part to play, but man is his own cause for the state he is in right now.

Agree.

There is really no point in trying to figure out who's to blame.

The point I think is, as the construction of the topic question suggest, what is this event telling mankind? Is God saying something to mankind? Is God saying something to us individually? What is it?

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« Reply #15 on: Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 05:47:45 »
In the very beginning, human life was immortal (Gen 1:26-27)

Gen 1:26  Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


Nothing there about human life being immortal.  You just made that up.

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up till the time of the Flood, man and beast lived in peaceful co-existence together (Gen 2:19-20 & Gen 9:2) so the little critters-- e.g. viruses, bacteria, fleas, mites, mosquitoes, and lice, et al --posed no dangers to public health and safety back then.

Gen 2:19  Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.
Gen 2:20  The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him.


Nothing there about man and beast living in peaceful co-existence.  You just made that up.

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In the very beginning, human life was immortal (Gen 1:26-27)



Gen 1:26  Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


Nothing there about human life being immortal.  You just made that up.

Correct. In these verses there is nothing about eternal life.

The correct verse to proof this point should have been

Gen 2:17   but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die"

This pretty much indicates had Eve not first eaten of this specific tree, and cause Adam to follow along, they would have had an immortal life.


And I did not make this up... If false it was the original author(s) of Genesis.


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up till the time of the Flood, man and beast lived in peaceful co-existence together (Gen 2:19-20 & Gen 9:2) so the little critters-- e.g. viruses, bacteria, fleas, mites, mosquitoes, and lice, et al --posed no dangers to public health and safety back then.

Gen 2:19  Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.
Gen 2:20  The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him.


Nothing there about man and beast living in peaceful co-existence.  You just made that up.

Again, correct.

And there is no verse in Genesis that would indicate there was to be a peaceful co-existence other then the assumed implication that the idelic life within the Garden of Eden would have provided that. But we are not told that.

One might use Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over [g]all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that [h]moves on the earth.”

to say that if man was given charge to care for all of the non-human creations, they must have lived in a peaceful co-existence.

I think not. Even a farmer will have issues with farm animals.. such as bulls that are not peaceful.

This idea is not supported in my opinion anywhere.



In answer to Why would God create Coronavirus.

He would not create it.

He would permit it. Big difference.

Whether by natural mutation or man made assisted mutation this is not a creation by God. And certainly not given, but whatever it came into being by, into the hands of those that hold great disdain for Christianity.

UNLESS: We are finally seeing....  ::prayinghard::

Mathew 24 : 7-8

7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.





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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« Reply #17 on: Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 07:43:43 »
Correct. In these verses there is nothing about eternal life.

The correct verse to proof this point should have been

Gen 2:17   but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die"

This pretty much indicates had Eve not first eaten of this specific tree, and cause Adam to follow along, they would have had an immortal life.

I do not believe verse 17 is speaking about physical immortality.  There is no such thing nor was there ever. The fruit of the tree of life in the Garden was the hedge against physical death. They lost access to that when God kicked them out of the Garden (Gen 3:22). The death spoken of in verse 17 is, to me, clearly spiritual.  They, as Paul explained in Ephesians 2:1-2, became dead in their trespass, in their disobedience to God regarding the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 07:57:12 »


Gen 1:26  Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Gen 1:27  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


Nothing there about human life being immortal.  You just made that up.

Correct. In these verses there is nothing about eternal life.

The correct verse to proof this point should have been

Gen 2:17   but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die"

This pretty much indicates had Eve not first eaten of this specific tree, and cause Adam to follow along, they would have had an immortal life.


And I did not make this up... If false it was the original author(s) of Genesis.


Gen 2:19  Now out of the ground the LORD God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.
Gen 2:20  The man gave names to all livestock and to the birds of the heavens and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper fit for him.


Nothing there about man and beast living in peaceful co-existence.  You just made that up.

Again, correct.

And there is no verse in Genesis that would indicate there was to be a peaceful co-existence other then the assumed implication that the idelic life within the Garden of Eden would have provided that. But we are not told that.

One might use Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over [g]all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that [h]moves on the earth.”

to say that if man was given charge to care for all of the non-human creations, they must have lived in a peaceful co-existence.

I think not. Even a farmer will have issues with farm animals.. such as bulls that are not peaceful.

This idea is not supported in my opinion anywhere.



In answer to Why would God create Coronavirus.

He would not create it.

He would permit it. Big difference.

Whether by natural mutation or man made assisted mutation this is not a creation by God. And certainly not given, but whatever it came into being by, into the hands of those that hold great disdain for Christianity.

UNLESS: We are finally seeing....  ::prayinghard::

Mathew 24 : 7-8

7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.


There have been many such things down through history.

Just in the few years of 1914 -19, 50-100 million died of the Spanish flu, and 9-15 million in WW1.
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« Reply #19 on: Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 08:41:42 »
I do not believe verse 17 is speaking about physical immortality.  There is no such thing nor was there ever. The fruit of the tree of life in the Garden was the hedge against physical death. They lost access to that when God kicked them out of the Garden (Gen 3:22). The death spoken of in verse 17 is, to me, clearly spiritual.  They, as Paul explained in Ephesians 2:1-2, became dead in their trespass, in their disobedience to God regarding the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

You possibly are correct.... but would they have known of a spiritual v physical death?

Had Adam ever witnessed a non human death in one of the animals? We are not told.

Yes, They were protected in the garden and lost that protection.

You said "The fruit of the tree of life in the Garden was the hedge against physical death."

We only know, for certain, if Eve had not taken a bite from that apple they would not have suffered any death. According to scripture... but it gets a  bit sticky for God would have known the failings of man. He knows everything.

So eventually God knew Adam would fail.


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« Reply #20 on: Sat Mar 21, 2020 - 19:09:37 »
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In these verses there is nothing about eternal life.


Eternal life and immortality are not the same thing. The first is perpetual in all directions; viz: eternal life always was, it always is, and it always shall be.

Immortality is perpetual in only two directions, viz: immortality always is, and it always shall be; but immortality typically never refers to the infinite past like eternal life does.

Also; eternal life is non physical, while immortality is only physical; which is why it's possible for people to have eternal life while at home in a mortal body.

Christians won't obtain immortality until their resurrections (Rom 8:23-25, 1Cor 15:51-53, and 1Thss 4:14-17). However; it's possible for people to obtain eternal life before they pass on.

Note the grammar in the passages below. The verb "has" is present tense rather than future, indicating that believers have eternal life right now-- no delay, and no waiting period.

John 3:36 . . He who believes in the Son has eternal life

John 6:47 . .Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who heed my message, and trust in God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from Death into Life.

1John 5:13 . . I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

The right-now possession of eternal life is very crucial because according to God's testimony, as an expert witness in all matters pertaining to Christianity; people lacking eternal life don't have God's son. In other words: they are currently quite christless.

1John 5:11-12 . . This is what God has testified: He has given us eternal life, and this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has this life; and whosoever does not have this life, does not have His son.
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« Reply #21 on: Sun Mar 22, 2020 - 20:24:25 »
I believe 99% of human suffering is caused by sin and stupidity.   If we lived right, the Chinese virus infection would create no to mild symptoms to most of us.  You might even consider an infection a blessing to help you appreciate good health.

For those who die by the Chinese virus, it's still a blessing.  Most of the people who have died have suffered from one to several severe chronic health problems.  When I'm very old, or if I were otherwise very weak, I look forward to something like this pushing me over the edge, so to speak.  I'm only visiting here.   

I think the shutdown of America is insane.

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« Reply #22 on: Mon Mar 23, 2020 - 02:44:16 »
I think the shutdown of America is insane.
So do I.
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f we lived right, the Chinese virus infection would create no to mild symptoms to most of us.
Agreed. The world should call it the Chinese virus for they started this virus..... I'm totally confidence of this~the powers that be there know why they did and we should not trust them for one second, and that would be too long.
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In answer to Why would God create Coronavirus.

He would not create it.

He would permit it. Big difference.

Whether by natural mutation or man made assisted mutation this is not a creation by God. And certainly not given, but whatever it came into being by, into the hands of those that hold great disdain for Christianity.

Everything that exists is created by God, without God nothing can exist.

Exodus 4:11
The LORD said to him, "Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the LORD?

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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« Reply #24 on: Fri Mar 27, 2020 - 08:34:05 »
I really don't think it was ever God's intended purpose for human life to lose either its mastery or its immortality, nor for the animal kingdom to turn against Man in a full-out rebellion. For sure God saw all that coming, but I seriously doubt that He's to blame for instigating any of it.

you're right! Jehovah God ,(Exo. 6:3) isn't the one to be blamed for mankind's woes, satan is! he knew that if he could get man to turn from Jehovah God. it would bring a woe until them, and it did! sickness and death is the result of believing the lies satan told Eve. in order to get her to disobey Jehovah. because of satan, Jehovah told us about what would be happening during the LAST DAYS of satan's wicked system, or this world as we know it.

remember the Horsemen of the Apocalypse?... ("Rev. 6:4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth"). there really don't seem to be much peace, the world is getting worst.

(Rev. 7 "So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand"). since this virus has started, grocery stores are either opening later or closing earlier. certain Major stores where I live, are asking that one buy ONLY one of Each Item...rationings! I can see this Black Horse kicking in.

(Rev.  "8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him"). people are dying from this disease, love ones painfully have to bury them.

yes, Jehovah never plan for any of this to happen. soon though it will be all over, and there will be peace and all other good things to follow, (Rev. 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful).   (Matt. 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth).

(Rev. 7:16,17 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes). peace

 



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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« Reply #25 on: Mon Mar 30, 2020 - 17:46:11 »
Isn't it simply the result of the sin curse? Just saying! I mean, why blame God who's actually blameless?

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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« Reply #26 on: Tue Mar 31, 2020 - 02:54:33 »
Isn't it simply the result of the sin curse? Just saying! I mean, why blame God who's actually blameless?

I agree, why blame God? What opinion could be more erroneous than blaming God for the corona virus? Instead, the world ought to be reminded of the worldwide disasters that happened in the past. In times like this, God's voice goes out all around the globe, to the lost sheep. That they may hear it and recognize the voice of their Shepherd calling out to them. So, today, if you hear God's voice, harden not your heart, and follow Jesus Christ, who is the Good Shepherd.

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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« Reply #27 on: Tue Mar 31, 2020 - 08:54:20 »
I believe 99% of human suffering is caused by sin and stupidity.   If we lived right, the Chinese virus infection would create no to mild symptoms to most of us.  You might even consider an infection a blessing to help you appreciate good health.

For those who die by the Chinese virus, it's still a blessing.  Most of the people who have died have suffered from one to several severe chronic health problems.  When I'm very old, or if I were otherwise very weak, I look forward to something like this pushing me over the edge, so to speak.  I'm only visiting here.   

I think the shutdown of America is insane.

Much of human suffering is undeniably the result of free will and evil men.  However, much human suffering can also be attributed to natural disasters.  We may have a part in some things deemed natural due to our effect on climate and environment, but some things are completely devoid of human cause.  Volcano's, earthquakes,  tsunamis, and some diseases such as some cancers.

99% may be a tad high.

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Re: Why Would God Create Coronavirus?
« Reply #28 on: Fri Apr 03, 2020 - 07:39:36 »
Neither Satan is to blame for all of this, nor did Satan "cause" Adam and Eve to sin. Yes, Satan has a part to play, but man is his own cause for the state he is in right now.
                         

if that wicked angel known as satan, had NOT wanted Jehovah God's Glory. he wouldn't had went to Eve with an all out lie. she wouldn't have anyone wicked to believe in turns, wouldn't have taken it to her husband. Neither of them wouldn't have sinned, because there wouldn't have been anyone deceitfully leading them. they were perfect and knew NO wrong, satan had to place that into their hearts, in order to get them to disobey Jehovah God. I do agree, man has cause himself injury, because through Adam's sin, human's are imperfect as well as selfish, wicked, and evil. we as humans allowed satan's wicked influences to direct our action ,(Cor. 4:4) and (1John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one). peace

 

     
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