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« Reply #240 on: November 11, 2009, 10:09:07 PM »
Quote from: Gary on November 11, 2009, 09:32:30 PM
John 3

 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

Yes great scriptures, real nice thanks.
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« Reply #241 on: November 11, 2009, 10:11:04 PM »
Quote from: Gary on November 11, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Galatians 1

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

 Again here we are after 16 pages of posts your still back on page one Gary. Go back and read the responses to the scriptures you posted and the word study for aionios.
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« Reply #242 on: November 11, 2009, 10:11:32 PM »
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Gospel, I know you said you were done with this thread, but I am still curious of how you interpret this scripture and how you fit it with your mindset of the gospel.

Col 1:19&20  For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross. 

If your done with the thread I understand, but if you want to continue can you explain you position in light of what paul says here?

God made a way...that is what love does; some will reject it...
I think you may have quoted the wrong post  thankfuldad. I don't see any connection between your comment and the scripture in Col.1

God made a way for us to be reconciled back to Him; His love made a way...some however, will reject His grace...His Spirit.

Love never forces itself on anyone...if it did; it would not be love.
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« Reply #243 on: November 11, 2009, 10:15:37 PM »
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Quote from: godisuniversal on November 11, 2009, 06:47:46 PM
Im not going to ask a third time.  Bye.  Rolling on floor laughing Playing guitar Clapping up high

Either you are found in Him and He in you and you have life...or you are in darkness, with no hope at all...

Do you have life?  The fruits of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Against such things there is no law...

God tells us not to become conceited, provoking and envying each other...

God tells us if anyone thinks he is something when he in nothing, he deceives himself...

Go back and read some of your replies...God bless you this day; I thank God that I am nothing, and He is my life...

To his defense you have not answered the question nor have you given any credible scriptural support. It's ok if you don't have the answer, none of us has all the answers, no shame but it looks foolish to continue to post the same remarks without any scriptural support.
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« Reply #244 on: November 11, 2009, 10:20:35 PM »
Quote from: Thankfulldad on November 11, 2009, 10:11:32 PM
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Gospel, I know you said you were done with this thread, but I am still curious of how you interpret this scripture and how you fit it with your mindset of the gospel.

Col 1:19&20  For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross.  

If your done with the thread I understand, but if you want to continue can you explain you position in light of what paul says here?

God made a way...that is what love does; some will reject it...
I think you may have quoted the wrong post  thankfuldad. I don't see any connection between your comment and the scripture in Col.1

God made a way for us to be reconciled back to Him; His love made a way...some however, will reject His grace...His Spirit.

Love never forces itself on anyone...if it did; it would not be love.

Seems you are a little confused here with this scripture, it says nothing about making a way now does it. You are inserting things that just simply aren't there and and that could be considered by some as adding to the gospel couldn't it.  Try in just interpret what is said in these two scriptures by what is actually said and not what you want them to say.
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« Reply #245 on: November 11, 2009, 10:21:10 PM »
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 11, 2009, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Thankfulldad on November 11, 2009, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: godisuniversal on November 11, 2009, 06:47:46 PM
Im not going to ask a third time.  Bye.  Rolling on floor laughing Playing guitar Clapping up high

Either you are found in Him and He in you and you have life...or you are in darkness, with no hope at all...

Do you have life?  The fruits of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Against such things there is no law...

God tells us not to become conceited, provoking and envying each other...

God tells us if anyone thinks he is something when he in nothing, he deceives himself...

Go back and read some of your replies...God bless you this day; I thank God that I am nothing, and He is my life...

To his defense you have not answered the question nor have you given any credible scriptural support. It's ok if you don't have the answer, none of us has all the answers, no shame but it looks foolish to continue to post the same remarks without any scriptural support.

I gave him 2Timothy...I guess I should of qouted chapter and verse:

2Timothy 2:11-13...Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; 12if we endure, we will also reign with him, IF WE DISOWN HIM, HE WILL ALSO DISOWN US; 13 If we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

Those who reject God...God will also reject
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« Reply #246 on: November 11, 2009, 10:24:20 PM »
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 11, 2009, 10:20:35 PM
Quote from: Thankfulldad on November 11, 2009, 10:11:32 PM
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 11, 2009, 10:07:31 PM
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Gospel, I know you said you were done with this thread, but I am still curious of how you interpret this scripture and how you fit it with your mindset of the gospel.

Col 1:19&20  For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and by him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of his blood on the cross.  

If your done with the thread I understand, but if you want to continue can you explain you position in light of what paul says here?

God made a way...that is what love does; some will reject it...
I think you may have quoted the wrong post  thankfuldad. I don't see any connection between your comment and the scripture in Col.1

God made a way for us to be reconciled back to Him; His love made a way...some however, will reject His grace...His Spirit.

Love never forces itself on anyone...if it did; it would not be love.

Seems you are a little confused here with this scripture, it says nothing about making a way now does it. You are inserting things that just simply aren't there and and that could be considered by some as adding to the gospel couldn't it.  Try in just interpret what is said in these two scriptures by what is actually said and not what you want them to say.

Read on to verse 23...if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.
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« Reply #247 on: November 11, 2009, 10:28:29 PM »
Quote from: Thankfulldad on November 11, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 11, 2009, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Thankfulldad on November 11, 2009, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: godisuniversal on November 11, 2009, 06:47:46 PM
Im not going to ask a third time.  Bye.  Rolling on floor laughing Playing guitar Clapping up high

Either you are found in Him and He in you and you have life...or you are in darkness, with no hope at all...

Do you have life?  The fruits of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Against such things there is no law...

God tells us not to become conceited, provoking and envying each other...

God tells us if anyone thinks he is something when he in nothing, he deceives himself...

Go back and read some of your replies...God bless you this day; I thank God that I am nothing, and He is my life...

To his defense you have not answered the question nor have you given any credible scriptural support. It's ok if you don't have the answer, none of us has all the answers, no shame but it looks foolish to continue to post the same remarks without any scriptural support.

I gave him 2Timothy...I guess I should of qouted chapter and verse:

2Timothy 2:11-13...Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; 12if we endure, we will also reign with him, IF WE DISOWN HIM, HE WILL ALSO DISOWN US; 13 If we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

Those who reject God...God will also reject

Ok and I think I see your dilema you think that our only opertunity to accept Christ is while we are alive in the flesh but this simply isn't true. It does not negate the scriptures that state all things, all men, everyone, every knee, every tongue, restored, reconciled, made alive, bowed and confessing.

Deal with these scriptures instead of ignoring them.
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« Reply #248 on: November 11, 2009, 10:32:15 PM »
Sorry to leave you hanging Thankfuldad, it's late and i'm off to bed, I'll answer your last post in the morn. God bless
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« Reply #249 on: November 11, 2009, 10:33:51 PM »
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 11, 2009, 10:28:29 PM
Quote from: Thankfulldad on November 11, 2009, 10:21:10 PM
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 11, 2009, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: Thankfulldad on November 11, 2009, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: godisuniversal on November 11, 2009, 06:47:46 PM
Im not going to ask a third time.  Bye.  Rolling on floor laughing Playing guitar Clapping up high

Either you are found in Him and He in you and you have life...or you are in darkness, with no hope at all...

Do you have life?  The fruits of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Against such things there is no law...

God tells us not to become conceited, provoking and envying each other...

God tells us if anyone thinks he is something when he in nothing, he deceives himself...

Go back and read some of your replies...God bless you this day; I thank God that I am nothing, and He is my life...

To his defense you have not answered the question nor have you given any credible scriptural support. It's ok if you don't have the answer, none of us has all the answers, no shame but it looks foolish to continue to post the same remarks without any scriptural support.

I gave him 2Timothy...I guess I should of qouted chapter and verse:

2Timothy 2:11-13...Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; 12if we endure, we will also reign with him, IF WE DISOWN HIM, HE WILL ALSO DISOWN US; 13 If we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.

Those who reject God...God will also reject

Ok and I think I see your dilema you think that our only opertunity to accept Christ is while we are alive in the flesh but this simply isn't true. It does not negate the scriptures that state all things, all men, everyone, every knee, every tongue, restored, reconciled, made alive, bowed and confessing.

Deal with these scriptures instead of ignoring them.

Hard to believe that there are those that will reject His grace; but, there is one sin that will not be forgiven...

1John 5:16...If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. THERE IS A SIN THAT LEADS TO DEATH. I am not sayin that he should pray about that.
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« Reply #250 on: November 11, 2009, 10:35:02 PM »
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 11, 2009, 10:32:15 PM
Sorry to leave you hanging Thankfuldad, it's late and i'm off to bed, I'll answer your last post in the morn. God bless

Have a good night sleep! God bless you as well Smile
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« Reply #251 on: November 11, 2009, 10:43:27 PM »
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you quote Colossians 1:19-20 as a support for universalism.
 

 19For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,

 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

Do you understand Christs death as being a completed act in total reconciliation or do you understand it to be ongoing?

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« Reply #252 on: November 11, 2009, 11:11:38 PM »
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 11, 2009, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: Gary on November 11, 2009, 09:32:30 PM
John 3

 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

Yes great scriptures, real nice thanks.

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Quote from: Gary on November 11, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Galatians 1

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

 Again here we are after 16 pages of posts your still back on page one Gary. Go back and read the responses to the scriptures you posted and the word study for aionios.

I am only worried about God's Word's not the words of man.  A word study for aionios will not overrule the words of Christ, or of the Bible.  Do a word study on anathema.

I believe what you believe is contrary to the gospel, and Galatians 1 is quite a warning.
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« Reply #253 on: November 11, 2009, 11:23:48 PM »
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  After doing a study on Colossians 1:19-20 I believe that ther are two possible outcomes form a Greek perspective. I am not sure that this is a good text for you to use to defend your universalist teachings.

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« Reply #254 on: November 12, 2009, 05:25:13 AM »
Quote from: Gary on November 11, 2009, 11:11:38 PM
Quote from: jiggyfly on November 11, 2009, 10:09:07 PM
Quote from: Gary on November 11, 2009, 09:32:30 PM
John 3

 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

Yes great scriptures, real nice thanks.

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Quote from: Gary on November 11, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Galatians 1

6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

 Again here we are after 16 pages of posts your still back on page one Gary. Go back and read the responses to the scriptures you posted and the word study for aionios.

I am only worried about God's Word's not the words of man.  A word study for aionios will not overrule the words of Christ, or of the Bible.  Do a word study on anathema.

I believe what you believe is contrary to the gospel, and Galatians 1 is quite a warning.

Aionios is in the scriptures, lol, re read your statement here Gary. As far as the warning in Galatians1, I try to preach/teach/represent  the same gospel as Paul, the GOOD NEWS as laid out throughout the  scriptures. I hear your warning, but that warning applies to you also and everyone else. Just because  there may be great numbers that agree with your thoughts concerning reconciliation is not justification that it's true.
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