author=Michael2012 link=topic=105660.msg1055159717#msg1055159717 date=1585578534]
So, the Levitical priesthood law, including the "Works" for the ministration of the Temple and atonement of sins, the ceremonies, the meats and drinks, washings, are carnal ordinances. At least that's settled now.
Yes, in Paul's time the "works of the Law" that the Mainstream Preachers were still requiring for justification had became obsolete. At least you are now believing the Word's of God which shows the two separate Laws. "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith"
I am refusing nothing from scriptures, but only your interpretation of scriptures which in my view is wrong. You said and teach that God gave the Levites a Covenant on Israel's behalf, separate from the Holy, Just and Good Laws God gave to Abraham. Why, I hope you are not implying by that , that the Levitical priesthood law and the "Works" for the ministration of the Temple and atonement of sins, are not holy, just and good. For it is the same God who gave such laws to them, and any and all law that comes from God are holy, just and good.
You chase your tail and keep moving the bar because you don't know the Scriptures. Yet, you preach as though you do.
1 Tim. 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully
It is not "lawful" to continue the Priesthood practice of the "ministration of death" for the atonement of sins, when the Lamb of God has already shed HIS Blood.
Yes, as I have said in every post in which I discussed this, God gave Levi, through Moses, the Old Covenant of the Levitical Priesthood, which the Levites Corrupted. I do not deny this truth at all, but declare it to all who preach to the world that what became "obsolete" was not the old priesthood, but God's Laws Noah honored, which were given to Abraham and then to Abraham's children.
I know you preach that. You tirelessly, but needlessly, repeat it in your post. You speak of "the Old Covenant of the Levitical Priesthood". If it was "old", it follows that there is a new that replaced the said covenant. And if the former was "the Old Covenant of the Levitical Priesthood", what is the new?
Again, you ask questions because you don't know the Scriptures, but preach as though you do.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law
,) what further need was there that another priest should rise
after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed
, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe
, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda
; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
The New Covenant Priesthood is not exclusive to the Levites as the Old Covenant was.
The New Covenant Priesthood has a NEW and Better Way for sins to be forgiven, and for God's Laws to be administered.
Heb. 8: 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices
: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer
4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry
, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant
, which was established upon better promises
And what are these "better Promises?"
Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts
, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is it anything sort of like "the New Covenant of the Christ's Priesthood" or what? If the former covenant was between God and the Levites, on Israel's behalf, the new covenant, to be a replacement of the former, should likewise be between the same parties in covenant, right?
The former Covenant was on behalf of the Home Born, and the Stranger that sojourned with them. The Christ said that anyone who keeps from polluting HIS Sabbaths and honors HIS judgments will be considered as one of His Own. But the Priest's corrupted the Covenant of Levi, they caused many to depart out of the way, they said the stranger was "strangers to the commonwealth of Israel, without God and without Hope in the World.
Heb. 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them
, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
So yes, the New Priesthood includes the same parties, as Paul teaches.
Rom. 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches
17 And if some of the branches be broken off
, and thou, being a wild olive tree
, (Gentile) wert graffed in among them
, (Sojourned with them) and with them partakest of the root
and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the (Holy) root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off
, and thou standest by faith
. Be not highminded, but fear
21 For if God spared not the natural branches
, take heed lest he also spare not thee
For only then would the former covenant with Levi properly be the "Old", and what replaced it, be properly the "New". But as it is, the New Covenant is no longer with the Levites on behalf of Israel.
Yes, there is no longer a "Levitical Priesthood", but a Priesthood after the order of Melchizedek.
It's just repeating what you said in basically every post you make. Nothing new. And many had addressed that part of your preaching and teaching. So there is nothing new to address there.
No, nothing new. It is the same truth religious men of this world has rejected for centuries, and the religions before that as well. But it is right there in your own bible if you can consider the warnings therein, and acknowledge your own ignorance of them. Hard to do when you are already convinced you are all set.
I don't know for sure why God did it this way. I just know HE did. But HIS Theme remains the same through out the Bible and His Creation.
Since you have elected not to discuss the rest of my post, I will stop here as well.