author=4WD link=topic=105660.msg1055159372#msg1055159372 date=1585258914]
Sorry GB, but I completely reject your ideas on "works of Law". Works of Law aren't what the priests did for atonement.
I'm sorry you reject the "works" required for atonement in the Old Covenant. I have posted them, they are in your Bible. There was no other way for the home born, or the stranger who sojourns among them, to be cleansed of their "transgressions of God's Commandments". There was no other way to be made perfect. There was no other way to be justified, unless you took an offering specifically to a Levite Priest, who would perform "works" according to the Law of Offerings given by God through Moses to them.
I know you reject this Biblical Truth, I just don't know why because you have never offered anything other than your words to support your rejection.
Works of Law were what the God's people were commanded to do.
Yes, as Paul said in the verse you posted.
Eph. 2:For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works
, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them
So Yes, God created Commandments that His People are to learn to "walk in", as Paul says here.
The rituals of atonement administered by the priests were required when they, God's people, disobeyed those commandments.
Yes, absolutely. When a man disobeys the "Good Works" God before ordained that they should walk in, they were required by Law to take an offering specifically to a Levite Priest in order for their trespasses to be forgiven.
These "rituals of Atonement" administered specifically by the Levite Priest, were LAW 4WD. Just because you don't "believe" they were Law, doesn't make void the Word's of God which say they were.
Lev. 6:2 If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbour;
So here we are, this man has sinned against God, he has not "Loved his Neighbor as himself" as the Law of God commanded.
So now what? How is this man Justified according to the God of the Bible?
6 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest
7 And the priest shall make an atonement for him before the LORD
: and it shall be forgiven him
for any thing of all that he hath done in trespassing therein.
So there you are 4WD. The man that breaks God's Command to Love their neighbor as themselves, were to bring a sin offering, by Law, to the Levite Priest.
8 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
9 Command Aaron and his sons
, saying, This is the law of the burnt offering
: It is the burnt offering, because of the burning upon the altar all night unto the morning, and the fire of the altar shall be burning in it.
14 And this is the law of the meat offering
: the sons of Aaron shall offer it before the LORD
, before the altar.
15 And he shall take of it his handful, of the flour of the meat offering, and of the oil thereof, and all the frankincense which is upon the meat offering, and shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour, even the memorial of it, unto the LORD.
16 And the remainder thereof shall Aaron and his sons eat
: with unleavened bread shall it be eaten in the holy place; in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation they shall eat it.
17 It shall not be baken with leaven. I have given it unto them for their portion of my offerings made by fire; it is most holy, as is the sin offering, and as the trespass offering.
18 All the males among the children of Aaron shall eat of it
. It shall be a statute for ever
in your generations concerning the offerings of the LORD made by fire: every one that toucheth them shall be holy
While those rituals did directly involve the priests, I do not recall anywhere reading that God's approval or acceptance for atonement depended upon the belief, the righteousness or anything else of the priests except that they follow the rules set down.
Those "Rituals", (Law of Sin and Trespass offerings, etc.) were Specifically given to the Levite Priest. No other tribe or blood line was allowed to perform any of these duties, under any circumstance, by Law. King Saul was stripped of his title because he didn't wait for the Levite Priest to perform the Priesthood Duties. Uzzah simply tried to steady the Ark of God and was killed when he touched it, because he wasn't a Levite Priest.
Like killing a Lamb for Passover, these "works of the Law" for atonement of sins were a shadow of things to come. But as the God of the Bible said.
Mal. 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi
, saith the LORD of hosts.
So these Priests had lost sight of the "shadow", and were still performing "works of the Atonement laws" for the justification, even though the Messiah had already came.
Zechariahs was led to the Christ by this Law, and so was Simeon. But not the Pharisees who had "corrupted the Covenant of Levi".
You say you have no evidence that God approved or accepted these Priesthood Laws for the Atonement of sins? Then in your religion, who gave them to the Levites?
So again, I reject you view of works of Law.
But 4WD, your rejection doesn't make void the Word's of God I just posted.
For what it is worth, even though Paul spoke against the works of law as any requirement for salvation, he did speak about obedience to the gospel as a requirement for salvation. Perhaps another topic is in order here.
All I wanted to do in replying to this topic of what Paul meant by "Works" regarding "Atonement" is to expose the Elephant in the room. There was an existing religion, which was there for centuries, which still adhered to their version of the "LAW of sin offering" given Specifically to the Tribe of Levi.
You say this Priesthood wasn't a Law separate from the Commandments of God. But as you are so fond of telling others, "You are Wrong".
The Priesthood "Works" for the atonement of sins was a Law, and this Law had to actually be changed before Jesus could become the High Priest. (Heb. 7)
If you close your eyes to these Scriptures, and "reject them", you will never understand what Paul is speaking about when he says, to those who are being bewitched by the Circumcision, "No man is justified by works of the Law".
How you believe you can even have a Biblical discussion about "works" and not include these sacrificial atonement Laws, the Jews were still pushing, is astonishing to me. And why you would you even want to?