author=RB link=topic=104892.msg1055150583#msg1055150583 date=1572267269]
Paul called the Law of Moses and its commandments weak and unprofitable (Hebrews 7:18),
Paul did not ever say that. You do, the Pope does, but not Paul as the following clearly demonstrates.
Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood
, (for under it the people received the law
(of Moses,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed
, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16 Who is made
, not after the law of a carnal commandment
, (Levites appointing other levites to the Priesthood) but after the power of an endless life
. (Obedient to God's Laws unto death, raised from the dead.)
This is not even talking about the 10 Commandments of God you preach are weak and unprofitable at all. It's talking about the Levitical Priesthood, where people were supposed to go to learn the Laws of God.
Here is what Paul actually says about God's Laws.
Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified
Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy
, and the commandment holy, and just
, and good
Not Vain deceit, Traditions of men, Rudiments of the world as you preach.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual
: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Not Carnal as you preach.
You are misrepresenting these scriptures horribly. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Heb. 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment
going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
What Commandment? "Love your neighbor as yourself"? Or are they speaking about the Levitical Priesthood that the Bible says was "Changed"?
19 For the law made nothing perfect
, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
What "LAW" have they been talking about that changed? It's right there in your own Bible. "The Levitical Priesthood".
Heb. 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests
which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
What Law made men High Priests? The 10 Commandments? No Red, you are completely infecting and miss-representing these scriptures. You should actually listen to God's Word instead of all the "other voices" out there.
Of course you will not acknowledge what is right there in front of your face.
carnal ordinances (Hebrews 9:10),
Heb. 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices
, that could not make him that did the service perfect
, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation
You preach this is talking about the 10 Commandments, all of God's Laws. But it's not, it's talking again about "offerings and sacrifices".
Heb. 9:1 Then verily the first covenant
had also ordinances of divine service
, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread
; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
This isn't talking about God's 10 Commandments, Love your neighbor as yourself, etc. This chapter is speaking to the "Changed Priesthood" promised in Jer. 31.
You are purposely, it seems, lying about this scripture. Why would you do such a thing?
rudiments of the world (Colossians 2:8,20),
Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man
spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit
, after the tradition of men
, after the rudiments of the world
, and not after Christ.
So in your religion, God is a man who gave you Laws which are "Vain Deceit", That His Commandments are "Traditions of Men", and that God's Laws are "Rudiments of the World".
This is why I speak out so loudly against you and the religion you peddle. I sit back and wonder, how can a man who claims to know so much about God, promote such falsehoods about His Word?
and beggarly elements in this very epistle (Galatians 4:9).
Gal. 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God
, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now
, after that ye have known God
, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements
, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 9 But now
, after that ye have known God
, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again
to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
So let me see if I have your preaching on this verse right. So when these men didn't know God they were obeying God's Laws which you believe are beggarly elements, then they turned to God, and must have rejected God's Laws for a time, but were now "Turning again" to obeying God's weak and beggarly Laws which bring them in bondage.
What's even worse today is that men (GB and company) believe that one can begin in the flesh and even be made perfect by the same! That's even a greater heresy.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you
, they are spirit
, and they are life
Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
You have it just backwards Red. Your religion, like the Pharisees religion, are the weak and Beggarly Elements men are held in bondage to. It is the preaching of men who are the "Vain Deceit", not God as you preach.
God's Word is Spiritual, His Laws are Spiritual. The Galatians didn't start in the Fleshy man made religions they were born into, they started in the Holy, Just, spiritual Word's of God. They were "Doers" of God's Law, that is starting in the Spirit. Not following religious men who twist God's Word to mold it to the religion they created.
The Pharisees were not trying to get the Galatians to obey the God of the Bible, they were trying to convert them to their man made religion, as you are doing here.
Man's religion, and the Pharisees religion, is the Vain Deceit, Traditions of man, and Rudiments of the World, whereby religious men deceive. Not God's Laws as you preach.