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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #70 on: Tue May 26, 2009 - 08:56:18 »
I'd say it depends on what you are killing and how. If you kill a Goomba by jumping on his head I'd say no. If you kill a person by ripping out their guts I'd say yes. Most games today would fall under the sinful category. I don't even see how you would get pleasure from pretending to kill people.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #71 on: Tue May 26, 2009 - 16:34:13 »
I'd say it depends on what you are killing and how. If you kill a Goomba by jumping on his head I'd say no. If you kill a person by ripping out their guts I'd say yes. Most games today would fall under the sinful category. I don't even see how you would get pleasure from pretending to kill people.

If killing in video games is a sin than being in the military and killing someone is a sin.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #72 on: Mon Jun 29, 2009 - 03:37:46 »
If you feed a sin it grows. Video games are for fun. Why kill anything for fun? It's violence for pleasure. In a war situation you kill out of necessity for self-defence, not enjoyment.

Self-defense is different to taking life (or pretending to) to entertain yourself. Would jesus do it? I doubt it very much. And if he wouldn't do something it's for a reason.

Loving violence is a sin. Violence is only necessary for justice or protection, it shouldn't be used or encouraged at any other time.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #73 on: Mon Jul 13, 2009 - 00:02:49 »
Games with violence have been used to train soldiers. Why is anything "fun" anyway? Games as timeless as chess and checkers have involved "killing" between opponents, who, in real life, know full-well they are merely challenging each others' skill and intelligence to sharpen their skill. Videogames just take away the need for imagination. Not a whole lot of games are designed with killing defenseless people who don't bother you. Therefore, it actually ISN'T usually the killing itself where the appeal really is

I'm kind of annoyed that with all the pushes for realism gaming violence is unrealistically bloody, though. But in gaming, I think it's the context that really counts--I liked a lot of things about Grand Theft Auto but in the end I didn't care for role-playing as a jerk. But gaming is something that can be enjoyed depending on how it is approached (and is usually designed to allow for that). It's not like I made everything, I just USE it. People can use discernment about what they're seeing rather than "do not taste, do not touch, do not handle" rules and just decide if the thing is beneficial or not.

But back again, I think of how soldiers train on shooting ranges shooting at dark silhouettes--in real life killing people is hard on a person psychologically, and the more realistic the targets look, I think it can be harder on a person (like, if they used more life-like targets, they wouldn't be doing so well after training every day). Something to think about for this day in age.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #74 on: Tue Jul 14, 2009 - 23:01:35 »
Wow, I never thought of it that way.  I used to be an avid StarCraft player back in the day, but even now, I would still say - No, it's not a sin.  But that's just my opinion. 

Although, I do agree with those who say that there is nothing beneficial (spiritually) in playing video games....But they ARE fun!  ::joker::

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #75 on: Tue Jul 14, 2009 - 23:52:34 »
"Fun" and "escapism" is very important, it stimulates the brain that counteract the "flight/fight" stress hormones--and stress hormones can actually become a chemical addiction!

It always blows my mind when some modern study finally figures out that some of the functions challenged by videogames are actually ones that you use in real life, such as a recent experiment that showed that gaming surgeons had better control than others'.
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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #76 on: Sat Aug 08, 2009 - 21:09:42 »
If it feels wrong:
it is
If you are playing these games to get rid of anger problems:
1. Get help.
2. find another way
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Remeber:
the devil wants to:
steal, KILL and DESTROY
dont copy the devil

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #77 on: Sun Aug 09, 2009 - 02:22:43 »
If it feels wrong:
it is
If you are playing these games to get rid of anger problems:
1. Get help.
2. find another way
[/b]
Remeber:
the devil wants to:
steal, KILL and DESTROY
dont copy the devil

But WHEN did the devil save the world from ALIENS?  ::cool:: Or from nuclear destruction, or terrorists? Or fight in WWII?

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #78 on: Sun Aug 09, 2009 - 18:41:11 »
"But WHEN did the devil save the world from ALIENS?   Or from nuclear destruction, or terrorists? Or fight in WWII?"
can you rephrase that
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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #79 on: Mon Aug 24, 2009 - 12:33:52 »
Killing?  It is just a bunch of pixelized images on a screen.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #80 on: Mon Aug 24, 2009 - 13:21:09 »
How can you kill something that is not alive to begin with?

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #81 on: Mon Aug 24, 2009 - 22:08:25 »
How can you kill something that is not alive to begin with?

Good point!

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #82 on: Mon Aug 24, 2009 - 23:51:16 »
One of my friends recently said to me the reason 'why I like GTA so much is because you can do things on there that you cant do in real life'.
So does that mean if a satanic game came out and you played it does that mean its right even though its not actually real?
Your praticing stuff that is evil either way-so in my opinion thats a sin
Would God want to watch you kill people just for fun even if they are fake?

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #83 on: Tue Aug 25, 2009 - 04:30:45 »
One of my friends recently said to me the reason 'why I like GTA so much is because you can do things on there that you cant do in real life'.
So does that mean if a satanic game came out and you played it does that mean its right even though its not actually real?
Your praticing stuff that is evil either way-so in my opinion thats a sin
Would God want to watch you kill people just for fun even if they are fake?

Yeah, I also hate that attitude. Self-indulgent violence is not good, no matter what. I even have some trouble with some Spielburg flicks for portraying a weird "fun death." No matter where it's depicted, I take it seriously and I always hate that "but it's pretend" line.

Gaming has had ambitions like "realism," and as an artform (yes, "artform") it's rather young and experimental. The appeal of GTA in general, I think, is simply the exaggeration of one's effect on the world. They did it in the negative sense and I'd rather one would be ambitious about, say, a single guy dragging his world into something good but equally explosive--slightly different context. Actually there are a lot of games like that (one severely underrated gem is coming to mind right away . . .) GTA also struck a perfect balance between direction and player freedom, and it feels like "earned progress" even while it's forgiving.

Anyway, solid game concept, lousy context.  ::shrug:: Very sad. Ironically I think it's possible for gangter films to have a moral base as long as they make it clear that "this is a bad thing" in the story context, which GTA actually does also to an extent--I mean that sort of thing is even found in the Bible, although I don't want to "be" one of those guys.

Anyway, my general answer remains that most games with violence are not for violence's sake. Or at least they didn't used to be.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #84 on: Wed Aug 26, 2009 - 18:46:16 »
Whether or not it is wrong or a sin, is it actually beneficial for us spiritually tor emotionally to play such games? I would say no, it isnt beneficial.
God told my son recenly to sell his x box. he didnt even play violent games like this but it was because he spent too  much time on it. However it gives an indication about what God thinks about computer games.

Friend, David Berkowitz, the "Son Of Sam" killer told cops that God spoke thru his dog and told him to kill people.  That does not show what God thought of people.  I dare say that "what God thinks about computer games" would better be translated as "what Daddy thinks of video games..."

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #85 on: Wed Aug 26, 2009 - 18:47:53 »
I can't help but think that people with serious anger issues shouldn't play these games.  Fantasy can become reality.  Scary...

Agreed.
They have done experiments on young children who played 'fighting' computer games or watched fairly violent things on televsion, (obviously not too violent for their age), and without exception they all became more violent in their games afterwards than they were before.I cant understand why people keep saying that we arent affected by what we do or watch, its obvious that we are, even if we are relatively well balanced normally.We are seeing these things with our eyes and hearing them with our ears, and therefore they are going into our souls and affecting our spirits.Why do you thnk that children get nightmares after watching violent films or programmes? I am sure that some wil get them after playing some video games also.

I have played vidoe games for 32 years now.  Never had one nightmare about them.  Never had an urge to kill either.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #86 on: Sun Oct 25, 2009 - 11:21:28 »
I'm almost sure someone else said this before me, but I had little time to read through the previous six pages of replies, but I'll say this anyways.

Personally, I think alot of things rest on circumstancial areas of things. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - I played it, and the first mission, you have to KILL the pizza delivery boy bcz you're trying to prevent him from spilling some beans on some deal that was crooked to begin with. When I did it, I kinda felt sedistic. I was getting money and I had spent quite a while trying to find my first objective, and when I finally did, I felt really accomplished. I'd never played a game like that before, but it just stirred something that I never knew was there, nor did I want to know that it was there.

On the other hand, I picked up Max Payne. The first one. This is a story of a man who walks into his house after an ordinary day at work as an on-the-field cop/detective, and his house is broken into, and his wife and baby girl are killed in cold blood in his very presence. When you play the game yourself, it is a VERY scary and horrible experience, as it should be. My heart actually sank pretty low. Granted, the man had been pushed over a certain edge, numbing him to the idea of killing a TON of men on his quest for justice and vengeance, and exaggeration seems to have become an art/necessity for video games, but I think the circumstancial area of a game is what the player remembers. In other words, "WHY" do I need to "kill" these people in this game? What's the motive?

Circumstance is what justifies the action. God's reasons for telling Israel to smite entire tribes was certainly justifiable. Capital punishment is justifiable. Flat out murder or genocide for personal gain is NOT justifiable, obviously. I felt actually kind of good killing those men who slaughtered my "wife and only child" in Max Payne. If thugs came into my house and did that...I'm not exactly sure what I might do. I could see myself taking them down if I could, but whether I would actually kill them or not, that would depend on how impulsive I would be.

When I say it's completely circumstancial, I'm not talking saying it only matters to the character in the game. It obviously matters how it reflects on the player above anything. Circumstance is how the player relates. Is there anything there that's justifiable to cause these thought processes to line up with what God wants or calls for, IF this circumstance were true and happening? That's the question people should be asking.

A ruthless faction comes in and invades your territory/country without qualm or querry and wants to conquer? ..Sure. Kill 'em. Psychotic/deranged serial killer? Without question. Knocking someone off regardless of motive or reason, just to put a huge lump sum in your pocket? ..Um..WRONG. Going postal to rack up score just to see how much you can kill/destroy within a certain time frame. WRONG. The game Postal disgusts me.

You get the idea.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #87 on: Sat Jan 02, 2010 - 07:46:17 »
Personally I would say  its not a sin unless your doing it for hatred towards someone. I personally only play on occasion but just for the story, rpg, etc, of the games. I don't play cause of the violence. Its all fake and its not real so I would say NO its no a sin. The only games I would not recommend are demonic ones like silent hill, resident evil, doom, etc.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #88 on: Tue Jan 05, 2010 - 08:42:44 »
DOOM..I certainly don't mind KILLING demons. As long as I don't become one, I'm completely fine with the game.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #89 on: Thu Feb 04, 2010 - 16:29:47 »
Outside of the fact that the object in the game is something that you eliminate by "killing" it, it's really no different than any other game that teaches the same thing. Chess, Pacman, checkers, bowling. It's just a game. Some of the newer 3d graphics games get a little morbid. Some of the philosophy behind the plot in the games teaches some bad ideas about right and wrong. But as far as the "killing" goes, I don't see it as a sin. It's not about real feelings that deal with real people. It's just a game of eliminating objects. But I do think some of the philosophy behind the game plots needs to be cleaned up some.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #90 on: Tue Jun 01, 2010 - 06:32:36 »
Games in which killing takes place is nothing new.  Chess for instance is simulated warfare.  The only difference now is the realism.  Perhaps it is getting too real, but each generation of gamers has seen that progress and has had to adjust.  I think it's a problem if it defiles your own conscience or stretches your sense of personal liberty in Christ.  I also believe age is ESPECIALLY important here.  Older people are able to distinguish fantasy from reality more easily and shake off the effects of movies, games, and music, but this is more difficult for youth.  The age advisories for games are usually pretty well judged (better than those in the movie business) and should be used.  We can't forget that the Hebrews KILLED their enemies.  VIOLENTLY.  With God's blessing.  And American soldiers do the same (sometimes with God's blessing, sometimes without).  Certainly there is a time for killing as Solomon said (Ecc 3:8) and it's no secret that our military has benefited from the video game industry, especially in the area of flight simulators due to the advancement of powerful video cards driven by the FPS industry.  So you could say it's your patriotic duty to exercise your fingers and kick some virtual butt every once in while as long as it's kept in perspective and moderation is well attended to. :)


1 Cor 8:7
7   Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
(KJV)


1 Cor 10:28-29
28   But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:
29   Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
(KJV)


Ps 144:1
1   Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
(KJV)



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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #91 on: Wed May 25, 2011 - 21:08:54 »
Killing in a game is not a sin.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #92 on: Thu May 26, 2011 - 23:36:14 »
Why would anyone be entertained by such vile foolishness.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #93 on: Tue Jun 14, 2011 - 16:44:08 »
they are not all so graphic, I like to play the Lego games, themes like Batman, Star Wars and Indiana Jones.  There is fighting and destruction of Lego's.  I find it a great stress reliever, and have not been convicted by the Spirit.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #94 on: Tue Jun 23, 2015 - 18:33:29 »
Well no. If you can fully distinguish that you are not killing an actual person, your probably fine.

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Re: Is Killing in a video game a sin?
« Reply #95 on: Tue Jun 23, 2015 - 19:27:06 »
It has been five years since this was posted. Chances are they've outgrown video games.

Vicarious killing that provides all the graphic gore and visceral imagery without the punishment phase does have an affect on the psyche. It desensitizes the individual to the full on impact of bloody graphic slaughter by repeatedly cycling the visuals that occur due to the players participation in the action .

This is why the Army and other branches often incorporate graphic war first person shooter games into new recruitment. To monitor a persons proficiency and will to fire.

Also, there's no punishment phase after committing artificial mass murder. Hours upon hours of programming the mind with first person graphic violence cause and effect implants in the psyche the notion of invincibility graduating in degrees with equal success in the games survival.
Many of the mass murderers that were under 30 that didn't commit suicide after a bloody attack on unarmed people in the U.S. and studied over the course of the last five years played first person shooter video games. And for hours on end. This wasn't released in the press because the headline was the gore not the psyche evaluation of the suspects. And also because the video game industry is a multi-million dollar entity. Very often subsidiaries of higher powers in the Hollywood entertainment machine.

One programmer for a Chinese gaming company once said in a meeting on our soil while in a sit down with marketers: We-meaning China- don't have to worry about going to war with America and killing the U.S. Our games insure Americans do that to themselves.
And then he laughed. The sick part was all those Americans at the table laughed with him. Well, all but one.