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Video games with magic spells
« on: August 31, 2009, 02:12:37 AM »
I hate it how certain Christians (usually older ones) pass judgement against video games with magic and spells, because they think it is evil. If it were real life, then yeah, the only two powers are Gods power and the enemies power. But if you look at it from a story perspective, the story being as if its world were different than ours. I believe most forms of magic in games are simply the abilities that humans or creatures are naturally capable of within that non-existant world and story. That world being different from ours. It's just simply showing the ability to manipulate force and matter. Someone writes a story "If the world were like this, we could do cool hings like fly or teleport"

It's almost like saying Xmen is evil. The guys in xmen are MUTANTS. Their special abilities or "Powers" are the results of science and biology changing their bodies so that their body works differently than other humans. Its not like they are pray to some false god to be able to perform such ability.

I believe the magic in games is strictly story and science, unless they are actually praying to demons or something in the game. Then that would obviously be bad. I'd like to hear some peoples opinions on this.

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Re: Video games with magic spells
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2009, 02:28:37 AM »
Depending on how it's handled, I tend to agree with your astute observation.

Some game designers made games that were simply built on traditions where the context likewise treats them as just a vehicle for a gameplay device that could have easily been called something else and worked the same way. Similar with stories and fairy tales, probably.  ::pondering::

On the other hand, I consider your example of X-Men: it's a scientific idea, but in real life some of the things they do ARE done by real magicians as "magic" (that is, I think the ideas they use--just look at Xavier--are inspired by magic).

Something to think about, i.e. why? What's the true appeal of fantasy anyway? Christ used symbolism all the time (just look at Joseph's dreams) to get a point across.

So, it depends entirely on the intent of the storyteller, methinks.

But thanks for throwing that out! Some people's judgment of media is simply LAZY and superficial and that doesn't help anybody.
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Re: Video games with magic spells
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2009, 09:02:17 PM »
I find most of the criticisms surrounding books/movies/games that deal with magic to be pretty absurd, the simple presence of magic in a work of fiction isn't a sign of anything at all sinister, it's a plot device that helps introduce viewers/players/readers into a different world that exists within the bounds of its own logic and natural laws.  Some of the most entertaining works of fictions include just such devices and actually use them to tell wonderful stories that express great messages.

For example, some people find Harry Potter satanic because it's about children learning magic.  If the book suggested that children reading the books should study the topic further or that they would have something to gain by employing magic in their lives, than they would have a point, but J.K. Rowling is not telling kids to study magic, she's using a plot device that captivates children's imaginations to tell a story and expose them to themes of friendship, love and bravery, the makings of any good piece of fiction.  As Cally put it, it's the intent of the work that matters most

Would any Christian forbid their child from reading C.S. Lewis' The Chronicles of Narnia because it contains magic?  I would hope not, it uses this familiar plot device to teach children about the power, love and glory of Christ.  If something can be used to bring someone closer to God, than I can't consider it inherently evil.

Though I'm aware some people decry The Chronicles of Narnia BECAUSE it strives to bring children closer to God in a harmless and fun way...the world we live in

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Re: Video games with magic spells
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 07:46:16 PM »
It's all the same.

I was playing KOTOR 2 once and my 7 y/o boy made an astute observation:  "The force is like mana and the blaster is like a bow and the lightsaber is a sword."

Call it magic or force or psych or bird watching power...it's all the same.  So long as you understand it is only a game, no problem.

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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 10:43:20 AM »
Okay..so, God made angels. (He didn't make demons "demons." Demons are fallen angels)

I want to make movies about spiritual warfare and the Satanic rebellion that occurred before the fall of man. Angels have supernatural powers by their very nature. They can rift in and out of our realm at will, and possibly even control certain elements in our realm. I also want to make video games where players can control (ONLY elect) angels (NO demons or bad guys), fighting for the pure sake that the humans they're guarding will be able to perceive windows where God's love shines through to them in order that they can be saved. These angels have control over certain elements (i.e. water, fire, earth, and even darkness and light), and they have to fight off fiersome demons and powers of evil that try and distort things for the human you're guarding.

Fighting style and gameplay is HIGHLY inspired by the Devil May Cry series. In DMC, you're a fallen/outcast demon (which is not that unplausible to me, considering that angels and demons have their own sense of volition anyways) who has scores to settle against other demons. Dante and Nero have a rather crass attitude towards life and show no restraint to the thought of knocking those who stand in their way off. But the gameplay...was a blast. Nothing more satisfying than killing other demonically infused beings with sheer style and mastery.

...why can't Christian make games like this??

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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2009, 01:19:07 AM »
^There's a number of ideological issues with Devil May Cry if it isn't taken as symbolism (which it was clearly meant to be).

The Vampire-versus-vampire thing is similar, of simply rejecting one's evil heritage, even to the point of warfare with relatives, those back in one's native culture, and so on. There's no way a demon could turn back into an angel (or rebel against the devil), but that's the thought. It also symbolizes fighting off one's own sinful inclinations while, again, fighting everyone else who didn't make the conversion.

The other thing is, there's no way something TRULY "evil" can fight against evil, HOWEVER, again, this is understood to be symbolic unless someone foolishly thinks in terms of "lesser of two evils" (like violence is evil no matter what so they're doing something "right" but should still be punished).

Dante also isn't supposed to be seen as a morally perfect "hero" in particular, either, except in the sense that he's struggling in the right direction even if he has his flaws.
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« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2010, 04:47:52 PM »
Now that we are talking about magic in videogames; Many people think those games are evil, while they allow their kids to read fairytales like 'Sleeping Beauty', 'Beauty and the Beast', etc. In these stories many unnatural/magic things occur. What is the difference between magic in fairytales and magic in videogames? Although the storylines are completely different, I don't see much difference in the magic itself. Magic = Magic.

My opinion is that as long as we handle it as being part of a fairytale or game, and we know from our heart that it doesn't affect our Christian faith or way-of-life, it's harmless.

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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2010, 07:10:54 AM »
I have played MMORPG's for a couple of years now and I really dont look at the "spells" I look at whether or not I am able to kill the mobs....faster than anyone else.  ::crackup:: So for me I don't really pay attention to that stuff. My dad has had many discussions with me about this aspect of the game and whether or not it is godly to play the game. I always argued that I don't pay attention to it but his argument is "Would you still be playing such a game if Jesus was sitting next to you?" And sadly I would not. So, Ive stopped playing MMORPG's and moved on to a game called Minecraft. No spells or magic involved.