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Rapture occured!
« on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:43:23 »
On april occured raptre around the world:


The antichrist is here h1n1 pandemic, war preparation, chiping etc...
Wake up and do some research you have max year untill the hell breaks out...

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« Reply #1 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:51:02 »
 No it has not yet, with due respect, unless we did not make it, and I know I will. I do not doubt the signs that may be some you mentioned, but we will all see his glorious appearing.

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« Reply #2 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:54:05 »
Your last film about Obama was interesting but I don't see how you can think video of UFO's means the rapture has already occured.  But, thanks for posting this, it was an interesting watch.

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« Reply #3 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:55:27 »
No it has not yet, with due respect, unless we did not make it, and I know I will. I do not doubt the signs that may be some you mentioned, but we will all see his glorious appearing.

Did you watch his Obama video?  That was fascinating.  Don't know if it means anything, time will tell.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 20:55:40 »
NOW LSO...

That is only if you are a dispensationalist pre-tribber, post tribber, or mid tribber.

An All millenialist will say...yes....been going on for 2,000 years now and still going

A historicist/preterist will say the same thing.

But if she means what you take her to mean...

I'm still here...so...we got a few minutes.

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« Reply #5 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:08:45 »
No it has not yet, with due respect, unless we did not make it, and I know I will. I do not doubt the signs that may be some you mentioned, but we will all see his glorious appearing.

Did you watch his Obama video?  That was fascinating.  Don't know if it means anything, time will tell.

 No but will, though I am going, so it has not occurred.

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« Reply #6 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:16:45 »
No it has not yet, with due respect, unless we did not make it, and I know I will. I do not doubt the signs that may be some you mentioned, but we will all see his glorious appearing.

Did you watch his Obama video?  That was fascinating.  Don't know if it means anything, time will tell.

 No but will, though I am going, so it has not occurred.

No, of course not.  Millions will disappear and the world will be disrupted.
Those films of the UFO's though, I honestly speculate that they are demonic.  Getting Earthlings ready for a possible introduction of demon possessed aliens.  I've been watching too many science fiction movies I think.   ::crazy::

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« Reply #7 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:20:06 »
 I do believe Obama is the Beast of Revelation 13. My husband a year and a half ago saw a woman at walmart, scan her hand, to pay for purchases, he was so upset, he called me on cell phone. He is a very reserved, logical man. I ask the walmart checker, late one night. She said " Yes it happens, and makes the checkers feel weird, we were discussing it in the breakroom today." I actually in 2006, saw a similar formation, more like a V, over my home, I did not know what it was, and thought maybe something to do with weather balloon, or military. I really cannot say, what it was or was the same as in the YOUTUBE. My young daughter actually called me to the porch to see it.

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« Reply #8 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:29:27 »
I do believe Obama is the Beast of Revelation 13. My husband a year and a half ago saw a woman at walmart, scan her hand, to pay for purchases, he was so upset, he called me on cell phone. He is a very reserved, logical man. I ask the walmart checker, late one night. She said " Yes it happens, and makes the checkers feel weird, we were discussing it in the breakroom today." I actually in 2006, saw a similar formation, more like a V, over my home, I did not know what it was, and thought maybe something to do with weather balloon, or military. I really cannot say, what it was or was the same as in the YOUTUBE. My young daughter actually called me to the porch to see it.


If you have time to read sometime, check this out (it's long).

http://gracethrufaith.com/ikvot-hamashiach/the-anti-christ-and-mr-obama/

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« Reply #9 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:47:59 »
Relax, it all happened in 70 A.D. when the Temple fell.  Read your Bible, they expected it to happen at the end of the age, and it did.  Most of the Book of Revelation can be lined up with the events of the Roman Empire that took place while John wrote the Book.  Good Grif!   

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« Reply #10 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:50:07 »
Relax, it all happened in 70 A.D. when the Temple fell.  Read your Bible, they expected it to happen at the end of the age, and it did.  Most of the Book of Revelation can be lined up with the events of the Roman Empire that took place while John wrote the Book.  Good Grif!   

ARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!  (More to follow)

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« Reply #11 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:52:29 »
 That is very interesting, thank you, it will take time to process it, but is intriguing to say the least.

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:54:52 »
Relax, it all happened in 70 A.D. when the Temple fell.  Read your Bible, they expected it to happen at the end of the age, and it did.  Most of the Book of Revelation can be lined up with the events of the Roman Empire that took place while John wrote the Book.  Good Grif!   

 banished I do believe in the Olivette discourse is talking about the Temple, and trust me, I know the word, and am balanced.  do believe in the glorious appearing of the Lord Jesus. Don't you? That is biblical in itself.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 21:57:35 »
Relax, it all happened in 70 A.D. when the Temple fell.  Read your Bible, they expected it to happen at the end of the age, and it did.  Most of the Book of Revelation can be lined up with the events of the Roman Empire that took place while John wrote the Book.  Good Grif!  

One of the scripture texts which the Preterists use in arguing for the second coming in some form having taken place before the destruction of the Jerusalem in 70 AD is found in Matthew 16:28, Mark 9:1 and Luke 9:27.

Jesus is telling His disciples about His need to die and His future second coming bringing rewards to His followers and makes the statement “I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death fefore they see the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom.
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« Reply #14 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 22:03:42 »
 ::help:: Stucky, you are smarter than I am at this, I do not know what trib, I believe (LOL). I think I will bow out of the endtimes forum LOL, it gets more rough than politics.

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« Reply #15 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 22:45:21 »
::help:: Stucky, you are smarter than I am at this, I do not know what trib, I believe (LOL). I think I will bow out of the endtimes forum LOL, it gets more rough than politics.

Honey I am the dumbest person here so you are definately smarter than i.  I'm just lucky I have Jack Kelley at www.gracethrufaith.com as a resource or I couldn't take part in them at all.  Yoou're right about it being rough in here but it's rough in Theology also.  There are many good debaters with lots of knowledge here and then there are those pompous, self-righteous intellectuals only interested in sounding important.  Fortunately the good guys outnumber the "bad" guys.

I'm just a dumb old country boy with a big mouth.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 23:08:54 »
Stucky,

My wife is enrolled in a $240 Eschatology Course at Chruch.  If you want some inside informaion I can peek into her books for you. Her assignment sheets have questions like, "Who is the male child of Revelation 12?" Question sub "a", "If the woman is the Bride of Christ, and the fallen away are the 3rd of the stars of heaven, then is safe to conclude that the male child are the martyrs?"  I had better put these sheets back before my wife catches me!      

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« Reply #17 on: Sat Dec 05, 2009 - 23:14:44 »
Stucky,

My wife is enrolled in a $240 Eschatology Course at Chruch.  If you want some inside informaion I can peek into her books for you. Her assignment sheets have questions like, "Who is the male child of Revelation 12?" Question sub "a", "If the woman is the Bride of Christ, and the fallen away are the 3rd of the stars of heaven, then is safe to conclude that the male child are the martyrs?"  I had better put these sheets back before my wife catches me!      

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You're nice to offer me your covert aid (I don't want you to get in trouble because of me) but I disagree with what you just wrote from her assignment sheets.  I believe the male child is Jesus, the woman is Israel and the one third of stars are the angels that followed satan.  You're a good guy.

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« Reply #18 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 01:42:58 »

       My wife is enrolled in a $240 Eschatology Course at Church.  


rofl  That surely sounds like a "Freely ye have received, freely give" course.
 

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« Reply #19 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 07:52:24 »

       My wife is enrolled in a $240 Eschatology Course at Church.  


rofl  That surely sounds like a "Freely ye have received, freely give" course.
 

larry2,

She has been employed at that Church for over 20 years now, and whenever there is a class that they can't fill, She almost has to enroll.  Not that we expect the end to come soon. Stucky already has disagreed, so it proves that it's a wasted $240.

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« Reply #20 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 08:17:46 »

I believe the male child is Jesus, the woman is Israel and the one third of stars are the angels that followed Satan.  


Dear Stucky, I'll run the following scripture and reasoning past you to show why the "Man Child" is not Jesus.

Revelation 1:1. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass." Was John here prior to the birth of Jesus?

Revelation 1:10  "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet," When is the Lord's day, or the day of the Lord? It will be when Jesus takes over as King of kings, and Lord of lords.

Revelation 1:19  "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;" The things which He has seen; John did not see the birth of Jesus, the things which are will be those at the beginning of the tribulation, and the things which shall be hereafter come after John is told to come up to heaven in Revelation 4:1 where we read "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither (To heaven), and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Jesus' birth did not wait until Revelation Chapter Twelve to occur.

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« Reply #21 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 08:25:14 »
Relax, it all happened in 70 A.D. when the Temple fell.  Read your Bible, they expected it to happen at the end of the age, and it did.  Most of the Book of Revelation can be lined up with the events of the Roman Empire that took place while John wrote the Book.  Good Grif!   

Exactly. And it's better to pay for a study & it be in line with Scripture & God's will. (ie- Spiritual cleansing seminar, introduction to Preterism, etc., than to be spoon-fed the wrong paradigm from the start & insist that history didn't take place.
I think the spoon fed lessons of end-times promote  being a coward about dying. There is really no such thing as "rapture"
My aunt, bless her soul, told me a long time ago the "rapture" is when an individual dies & their spirit returns to God.
Oh hallejulah, that's the only material "catching up" we ever do.

And please don't ruin the song by Blondie that i always loved (she was the original rapper)
I won't post the lyrics- but i'm singing it right now!

God Bless,
rezar

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« Reply #22 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 09:37:37 »
Relax, it all happened in 70 A.D. when the Temple fell.  Read your Bible, they expected it to happen at the end of the age, and it did.  Most of the Book of Revelation can be lined up with the events of the Roman Empire that took place while John wrote the Book.  Good Grif!   

John wrote the book of revelation over 25 years after the fall of Jerusalem, and he talked about things to come.  Thus your theory is moot.

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« Reply #23 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 09:51:19 »

Tradition says the Book of Revelation was written after AD70. Tradition is wrong. And is ruining the church. The one major event so important to the Apostles & Jews, we note, is never spoken of as an accomplished fact in Scripture- the fall of Jerusalem.
God said what was fact - It would happen shortly. Futurists are denying God's words. Even if you say John writes from hindsight in AD95- don't ya get it? It still came to pass shortly- so it's over & fulfilled. Or John still is living!

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« Reply #24 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 13:51:29 »

I believe the male child is Jesus, the woman is Israel and the one third of stars are the angels that followed Satan.  


Dear Stucky, I'll run the following scripture and reasoning past you to show why the "Man Child" is not Jesus.

Revelation 1:1. "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass." Was John here prior to the birth of Jesus?

[color/purple]It is just what it says it is, a revelation from Jesus to belivers regarding things that are to occur.[/color]

Revelation 1:10  "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet," When is the Lord's day, or the day of the Lord? It will be when Jesus takes over as King of kings, and Lord of lords.

the sabbath.

Revelation 1:19  "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;" The things which He has seen; John did not see the birth of Jesus, the things which are will be those at the beginning of the tribulation, and the things which shall be hereafter come after John is told to come up to heaven in Revelation 4:1 where we read "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither (To heaven), and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Jesus' birth did not wait until Revelation Chapter Twelve to occur.

He is referring to the things John will see in his revelation.  The things that are, the revelation to the seven churches and the things that are hereafter, the future.  John being called to come up and see the things that were going to happen in the future.  It is a picture of the rapture of the church.

These are my interpretations, not given as truths.

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« Reply #25 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 14:00:47 »
Relax, it all happened in 70 A.D. when the Temple fell.  Read your Bible, they expected it to happen at the end of the age, and it did.  Most of the Book of Revelation can be lined up with the events of the Roman Empire that took place while John wrote the Book.  Good Grif!   

Exactly. And it's better to pay for a study & it be in line with Scripture & God's will. (ie- Spiritual cleansing seminar, introduction to Preterism, etc., than to be spoon-fed the wrong paradigm from the start & insist that history didn't take place.
I think the spoon fed lessons of end-times promote  being a coward about dying. There is really no such thing as "rapture"
My aunt, bless her soul, told me a long time ago the "rapture" is when an individual dies & their spirit returns to God.
Oh hallejulah, that's the only material "catching up" we ever do.

And please don't ruin the song by Blondie that i always loved (she was the original rapper)
I won't post the lyrics- but i'm singing it right now!

God Bless,
rezar

When someone agrees with you they are serious students of prophecy, or people of the truth, or whatever, but if they disagree they are cowards, spoon-fed and anti-christ.  Wow.

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« Reply #26 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 18:22:13 »

Tradition says the Book of Revelation was written after AD70. Tradition is wrong. And is ruining the church. The one major event so important to the Apostles & Jews, we note, is never spoken of as an accomplished fact in Scripture- the fall of Jerusalem.
God said what was fact - It would happen shortly. Futurists are denying God's words. Even if you say John writes from hindsight in AD95- don't ya get it? It still came to pass shortly- so it's over & fulfilled. Or John still is living!

rezar, it is not tradition, it is fact.


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« Reply #27 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 18:33:12 »

Tradition says the Book of Revelation was written after AD70. Tradition is wrong. And is ruining the church. The one major event so important to the Apostles & Jews, we note, is never spoken of as an accomplished fact in Scripture- the fall of Jerusalem.
God said what was fact - It would happen shortly. Futurists are denying God's words. Even if you say John writes from hindsight in AD95- don't ya get it? It still came to pass shortly- so it's over & fulfilled. Or John still is living!

rezar, it is not tradition, it is fact.


What's fact? That God told John the events in Revelation were to happen soon? Because that's what I am reading. You don't believe that God told John those things were about to happen- but that is what the Scriptures say. That is fact.

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« Reply #28 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 18:39:41 »
 My belief on Revelation. 12, dumb for coming here, but here it is. The pregnant woman, is the church, true believers, who do God's will. The woman is giving birth to the word. The devil persecutes, tries to destroy true believers faith, by trying to oppress them. God, protects the churches faith, by coming to their rescue. When Satan cannot, destroy the the believers faith, he attacks the remnant's offspring, their children. If Satan, cannot get to you personally, he knows that your children's suffering, will hurt you like nothing else, or shake your faith. That is the cliff notes, of what I believe. Now be nice, even if you do not agree. It is ridiculous to see Christians attack each other like dogs over the second coming of Christ. Does anyone think, if we are so mean to each other no matter our position, it does not matter, because were not going anywhere anyway, because Christ is coming back for a perfect ( mature church), fruitfilled. Remember you cannot be filled with the HolySpirit, and grieving him at the same time.

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« Reply #29 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 18:41:41 »
 anyone ever thought Revelation can have dual meanings, like the book of Isaiah?

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« Reply #30 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 20:05:40 »
anyone ever thought Revelation can have dual meanings, like the book of Isaiah?

lightshineon,

My wife is sitting here in the room with me, so I can't look into her study guide.  I think it's save to assume that before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many. The one enduring truth that emerges from the Old Testiment is that nobody can go to heaven without a Passover. Just as the wrath of God was upon everyone in Egypt when God went about to slay the firstborn and God said “if I see the blood, I will pass over you,

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« Reply #31 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 20:10:20 »
anyone ever thought Revelation can have dual meanings, like the book of Isaiah?

lightshineon,

My wife is sitting here in the room with me, so I can't look into her study guide.  I think it's save to assume that before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many. The one enduring truth that emerges from the Old Testiment is that nobody can go to heaven without a Passover. Just as the wrath of God was upon everyone in Egypt when God went about to slay the firstborn and God said “if I see the blood, I will pass over you,

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« Reply #32 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 20:19:49 »

Tradition says the Book of Revelation was written after AD70. Tradition is wrong. And is ruining the church. The one major event so important to the Apostles & Jews, we note, is never spoken of as an accomplished fact in Scripture- the fall of Jerusalem.
God said what was fact - It would happen shortly. Futurists are denying God's words. Even if you say John writes from hindsight in AD95- don't ya get it? It still came to pass shortly- so it's over & fulfilled. Or John still is living!

rezar, it is not tradition, it is fact.


What's fact? That God told John the events in Revelation were to happen soon? Because that's what I am reading. You don't believe that God told John those things were about to happen- but that is what the Scriptures say. That is fact.

Stop twisting my words and playing games.

You know full well what I meant.

Revelation was written in 96 AD.  THAT is fact.

It's bad enough you twist God's Word to support your theories...now you want to warp reality itself.

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« Reply #33 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 20:35:03 »
 Honestly, I do not know where I stand, on pretrib, mid trib/  no trib,I do not know. Revelation to me, is what the name means, we are reveled the Jesus who is the glorified God man, who is so Holy, that John his beloved disciple, who laid his head on his chest, fell as a dead man in his presence. Jesus touched him with his right hand and told him not to be afraid. That just made my heart jump. Anyway, I do not like teaching on Revelation by pastors, because everyone interputs it differently. I have read commentaries some, and the book, of course but, do not pretend to understand it all, as of yet.

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« Reply #34 on: Sun Dec 06, 2009 - 20:39:55 »
Honestly, I do not know where I stand, on pretrib, mid trib/  no trib,I do not know. Revelation to me, is what the name means, we are reveled the Jesus who is the glorified God man, who is so Holy, that John his beloved disciple, who laid his head on his chest, fell as a dead man in his presence. Jesus touched him with his right hand and told him not to be afraid. That just made my heart jump. Anyway, I do not like teaching on Revelation by pastors, because everyone interputs it differently. I have read commentaries some, and the book, of course but, do not pretend to understand it all, as of yet.

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