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Dear Readers,

BELIEVE IT OR NOT:

There is NOT a single planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-5  What existed was earth/ground without form and void (Dust), which was used to make Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day.  Gen 1:10

Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

In fact, God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Again, here's what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries two thousand years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void.

God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (Dust)... and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.

The emergence of Light was when YHWH, the Son of God, came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said... Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3) before anything is made that was made.... before the world was.

WHERE did this invisible energy come from. Based on the cited Scripture, below, is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH or Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this physical matters - air, dust, and water - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos.

That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes our worlds.

God Bless
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #1 on: Fri Aug 16, 2019 - 06:16:19 »
Dear Readers,

Genesis 1:1 begins by telling us that the 3 elements created BEFORE the first Day - It was Air, Dust, and Water  - by changing Energy into Matters in the beginning (Gen 1:1).

YHWH, the Son of the invisible God, took some of these matters air, dust, and water at the beginning of the 3rd Day and changed it AGAIN into energy by causing a Singularity. Exactly as YHWH knew it would, matter inflated from the Black hole made by the first of the first Huge Stars to implode and become a Singularity which produced other Universes.

Millions of years later, the Universe had cooled enough to become visible. Genesis 2:4 gives us the Day this Big Bang happened. It was the 3rd Day the SAME Day the first Earth was made, which was the 3rd Day according to Genesis 1:9-10.

God also got the FACT right that Stars didn't shine until the 4th Day, which was millions of years AFTER the Big Bang. This is a recent scientific discovery. There is NO way any ancient man like Moses could have possibly known this.

It's a Proof of our Awesome God.

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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #2 on: Fri Aug 16, 2019 - 17:24:47 »
Dear seekingHiswisdom,

In reference to Private Message to me.....

I am sorry to tell you that, I believe, your understanding of the Genesis is CONVOLUTED and NOT accurate!

Since, your disagreement to my post covers a lot of issues and voluminous, perhaps, we can discuss each and every one of them in my thread here, based on what I have already covered and documented in my posts.

Therefore, feel free to TRY to refute me if you disagree, instead of sending me a private message. Thank you.
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #3 on: Fri Aug 16, 2019 - 17:41:56 »
Dear Readers,

The first 34 verses of Genesis is a BRIEF OUTLINE of ALL of the Events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven.

Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1 & 2 agree totally and in detail.

Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. At Gen 2:4 the narrative RETURNS to the details of the THIRD Day.

[Isa 46:10 KJV] Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In other words, the first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 6 Days of Creative Works, including Events which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus, the Son, returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31.

Then, on the 7th Day, God will REST FOREVER from ALL  His Work which He Created and Made because, the 7th Day of God is the Age of Joy (Sabbath) which will never End, simply because, the 7th Day of God has No Evening and No End = ETERNITY.

Here is a brief summary of how I read the first five verses of the the Book of Genesis - The Story of the Beginning:

Genesis 1:1 Is an Introduction - The Story of the Beginning of the Physical World.
Genesis 1:2 Tells us the condition of the deep - darkness / void - before the making of the physical world.
Genesis 1:3 The bringing forth of the LIGHT before anything is made that was made - before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 The division of light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening and the morning the first day of creation.

As you can see, based on the above proper perspective of the cited texts, our physical heaven and earth that we know of today were still non-existent, formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation. The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven took place on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8 not Gen 1:1 as most people believe. Our Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day Gen 1:9-10.


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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #4 on: Fri Aug 16, 2019 - 18:44:05 »
The Son of God was at the bosom of the invisible Almighty God before the Making of our Physical Worlds (plural) in the Beginning. YHWH, the Son, came forth or begotten into the Physical World from the invisible Spirit of his Father, when God commanded and spoke His first Word in the Beginning and said, Let there be Light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3).

YHWH became the only God ever physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him there was none, neither there shall be after him. He is the Express Image of the invisible God, physically - the First Born of Every Creature (Col 1:15).

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was No God Formed, neither shall there be after me.

To be witnessed is to be seen or experience by others, physically. Of course, the Son was Not Created, since, He was already God himself from the Beginning; from Everlasting.

YHWH or Jesus provided the Light in the Beginning of Creation (Alpha) Gen 1:3, just as He would also be the one to provide the Light of the New Heaven and New Earth in the End (Omega)- Rev 21:23. In fact,  the brightness of His Glory is brighter than the noon day sun.

Rev21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Without YHWH, the Son, was Not anything made that was made, because Everything Physical was made - as a potter would mold a clay - by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God.

When we get to Heaven, we will truly understand that the Son is our only God, Thy Maker, for In Him dwelleth ALL of the fullness of the Godhead, Bodily.

Note: The Almighty God Father is an invisible Spirit- the Spirit of Love - without any physical shape or form that no man hath seen at any time and changes not.

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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #5 on: Sun Aug 18, 2019 - 09:41:47 »
Each of God's Days in Genesis 1 & 2 is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day of God.... and the 6th Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

In fact, today, God continues to save and create sinners in Christ which means that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.

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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #6 on: Sun Aug 18, 2019 - 10:27:40 »
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Dear seekingHiswisdom,

In reference to Private Message to me.....

I am sorry to tell you that, I believe, your understanding of the Genesis is CONVOLUTED and NOT accurate!

Since, your disagreement to my post covers a lot of issues and voluminous, perhaps, we can discuss each and every one of them in my thread here, based on what I have already covered and documented in my posts.

Therefore, feel free to TRY to refute me if you disagree, instead of sending me a private message. Thank you.
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Sincerely,

Veroy

Nope:

Not wasting my time on a hard head.

Why dont you take the time to do a verse by verse...not just random quotes ,like I did and present it as your own writing on the subject.

You do not have to believe me, but yours is not a definitive sway to anyone.

Have  good one.

Dear seekingHiswisdom,

The beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time, scientifically speaking... BUT was on the 3rd Day of Genesis in God's time. Man was made a living soul in the beginning and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his meet, for Billions of years, before, he disobeyed and was made in a perfect body with Shekinah Glory on the 3rd Day. But lost his glory after he disobeyed the 1st commandment of the Lord and sinned on the 6th Day.

The world of Adam (1st heaven or the garden of Eden) was an enclosed Biosphere much much smaller than our earth, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the waters above and below it - into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 .

Adam was physically formed (like a potter would mold a clay) on the 3rd Day, BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made and put forth it’s light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 - millions of years after the Big Bang. Adam was BEFORE Any Other Creature brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21. This included the creation of the sons of God (prehistoric  creature/mankind) originated from the waters some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time.

In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God on the 6th Day (Gen 1:26-27; 5:1-3) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel. This Creation Event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26).

Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:


Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning, was NOT included in the generations of Adam IN THE DAY they were created in the image and likeness of God (Gen 5:1-3} or Born Again, spiritually in Christ. Therefore, NOT everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from the beginning or natural birth, unless, one call upon the name of the Lord and Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

God bless
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #7 on: Sun Aug 18, 2019 - 20:14:21 »
Dear Readers,

The first 34 verses of Genesis is a BRIEF OUTLINE of ALL of the Events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven.

Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1 & 2 agree totally and in detail.

Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. At Gen 2:4 the narrative RETURNS to the details of the THIRD Day.

[Isa 46:10 KJV] Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In other words, the first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 6 Days of Creative Works, including Events which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus, the Son, returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31.

Then, on the 7th Day, God will REST FOREVER from ALL  His Work which He Created and Made because, the 7th Day of God is the Age of Joy (Sabbath) which will never End, simply because, the 7th Day of God has No Evening and No End = ETERNITY.


Dear seekingHiswisdom,

Per your request, here is a brief chronology of the 7 Days or Ages of Creation of the THIRD Heaven - contrary to your view, of course. Feel free to REFUTE any of my Post or Biblical Stand- if you can and wish to... I am NOT being hard headed, though as you have accuse me of... BUT...just trying to help correcting your speculations and errors in understanding the Genesis - The Beginning.

Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light; and there was light. Gen 1:1-5

Day 1- YHWH or Jesus (Son) came forth into the physical world to defeat the darkness which was upon everything God had created apart from his spiritual realm. The Image of the Son is brighter than the Noonday Sun. Gen 1:3
Day 2- Jesus made a firmament or boundary of Adam's world and placed it in the midst or middle of the Water, and God called it "heaven". Gen 1:6-8
Day 3- Jesus caused the BB to happen and AFTER it cooled off He made Adam's Earth and another two HeavenS, or WorldS but before He made the plants, He made man (Adam) of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7
Day 4- The first Stars of our 2nd Heaven put forth their light into our Cosmos, which began as the Big Bang, on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4
Day 5- The heaven and the earth which are now is completed. Every living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the waters by the TRINITY, on the 5th Day - including the Prehistoric Creature or Mankind. Gen 1:21.
Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lords (Gen 4:26) Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image - Gen 1:26 cross Gen 5:1-2 Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.

This brings us up to the present TIME, today, 2019 for God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY.

The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.

Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age.

Gen 2:3 The 7th Day or God's Rest (Sabbath) is FUTURE. Heb 4:9

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Our God is an awesome God.
 
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #8 on: Fri Aug 23, 2019 - 19:36:01 »
Dear Readers,

Here's how you can reconcile from the Scripture the Physical Forming of Adam from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day of Genesis, BEFORE, he was Created, spiritually, in the Image and likeness of God on the 6th Day of Genesis.

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that Man (Adam) was made/formed of the dust the ground on the 3rd Day becoming a natural living soul.

v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Notice that this verse are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, right AFTER the Mist that watered the whole face of the ground, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day
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v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13. Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul.

In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their "original sin" by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.

IOW, contrary to the popular and traditional Ancient Goatherder's Theology of many posters here (perhaps, you know them all), Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually on the 6th Day....only AFTER A&E already have committed their original sin; kicked out of the garden of Eden; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel.

In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generationswhen men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Amen?
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #9 on: Fri Aug 23, 2019 - 21:02:01 »


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  Dear seekingHiswisdom,

In reference to Private Message to me.....

I am sorry to tell you that, I believe, your understanding of the Genesis is CONVOLUTED and NOT accurate!

Since, your disagreement to my post covers a lot of issues and voluminous, perhaps, we can discuss each and every one of them in my thread here, based on what I have already covered and documented in my posts.

Therefore, feel free to TRY to refute me if you disagree, instead of sending me a private message. Thank you.
.
Sincerely,

Vero   


Dear seekingHiswisdom,

The beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time, scientifically speaking... BUT was on the 3rd Day of Genesis in God's time. Man was made a living soul in the beginning and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his meet, for Billions of years, before, he disobeyed and was made in a perfect body with Shekinah Glory on the 3rd Day. But lost his glory after he disobeyed the 1st commandment of the Lord and sinned on the 6th Day.

The world of Adam (1st heaven or the garden of Eden) was an enclosed Biosphere much much smaller than our earth, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the waters above and below it - into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 .

Adam was physically formed (like a potter would mold a clay) on the 3rd Day, BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made and put forth it’s light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 - millions of years after the Big Bang. Adam was BEFORE Any Other Creature brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21. This included the creation of the sons of God (prehistoric  creature/mankind) originated from the waters some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time.

In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God on the 6th Day (Gen 1:26-27; 5:1-3) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel. This Creation Event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26).

Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:


Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning, was NOT included in the generations of Adam IN THE DAY they were created in the image and likeness of God (Gen 5:1-3} or Born Again, spiritually in Christ. Therefore, NOT everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from the beginning or natural birth, unless, one call upon the name of the Lord and Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

God bless

I will repeat.

Not wasting my time on a hard head.

I will comment though

"The beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time, scientifically speaking"

Prove it.

"Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light; and there was light. Gen 1:1-5"

You said in the other thread you do not believe in the trinity.


"BUT...just trying to help correcting your speculations and errors in understanding the Genesis - "

Rubbish. Mine works word for word. I have neither added to or speculated as you have done.

I cannot help but wonder if you live in a country where English is the first language cause there are things you say that just make me  ::frown::

''Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lords (Gen 4:26) Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image - Gen 1:26 cross Gen 5:1-2 Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.''

What a bungled mess of jumbled balderdash. ::frustrated::

When you can write a coherent sentence with understandable thoughts, I will read you.

This mess just makes my eyes hurt. ::eek::

You actually make me long for the return of KS  ::whistle:: who was eminently more understandable.


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later... I have to take care of something..,.
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« Reply #11 on: Fri Aug 23, 2019 - 23:30:07 »

"The beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time, scientifically speaking"

Prove it.

I don't have to prove to you anything. Perhaps, you need to tarry a little bit longer.   rofl

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

"Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light; and there was light. Gen 1:1-5"

You said in the other thread you do not believe in the trinity.

I said ... Your Traditional Goatherder's version of the "Trinity" (3-1) is FLAWED simply because, it's based only on wild imagination and speculation of men like you, who can NOT understand Scripture.

Others can read My Version of the Triune of God (Trinity) on the other thread - "The Mystical Union of God"

I cannot help but wonder if you live in a country where English is the first language cause there are things you say that just make me ::frown::

''Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lords (Gen 4:26) Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image - Gen 1:26 cross Gen 5:1-2 Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.''

What a bungled mess of jumbled balderdash. ::frustrated::

When you can write a coherent sentence with understandable thoughts, I will read you.

This mess just makes my eyes hurt. ::eek::

You actually make me long for the return of KS  ::whistle:: who was eminently more understandable.

No, actually, I can smell and sense that you can NOT help yourself being racially motivated - especially to those who really expose your biblical illiteracy of the Scripture. How sad, isn't it?

Now, don't get mad or bend out of shape, because, I am just giving back your own medicine.  ::noworries::

Dear Readers,

Do you see how DISHONEST this guy "seekinhiswidom" is?  Maliciously Edited my quotes below - specifically, the 6th Creative Day of Genesis - w/c was not presented in a normal way INTENTIONALLY because it is only intended as a BRIEF OUTLINE or SUMMARY purposes only.

How stupid and racist the thinking of this person can get is beyond me. Oh well...
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Dear seekingHiswisdom,

Per your request, here is a brief chronology of the 7 Days or Ages of Creation of the THIRD Heaven - contrary to your view, of course. Feel free to REFUTE any of my Post or Biblical Stand- if you can and wish to... I am NOT being hard headed, though as you have accuse me of... BUT...just trying to help correcting your speculations and errors in understanding the Genesis - The Beginning.

Before the first Day, God (Trinity) created air and ground without form and darkness/death was upon everything He had made apart from Him, so God said: Let there be Light; and there was light. Gen 1:1-5

Day 1- YHWH or Jesus (Son) came forth into the physical world to defeat the darkness which was upon everything God had created apart from his spiritual realm. The Image of the Son is brighter than the Noonday Sun. Gen 1:3
Day 2- Jesus made a firmament or boundary of Adam's world and placed it in the midst or middle of the Water, and God called it "heaven". Gen 1:6-8
Day 3- Jesus caused the BB to happen and AFTER it cooled off He made Adam's Earth and another two HeavenS, or WorldS but before He made the plants, He made man (Adam) of the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7
Day 4- The first Stars of our 2nd Heaven put forth their light into our Cosmos, which began as the Big Bang, on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4
Day 5- The heaven and the earth which are now is completed. Every living creature that moves was created and brought forth from the waters by the TRINITY, on the 5th Day - including the Prehistoric Creature or Mankind. Gen 1:21.

Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lords (Gen 4:26) Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image - Gen 1:26 cross Gen 5:1-2 Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.

This brings us up to the present TIME, today, 2019 for God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or in Christ, TODAY.

The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.

Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age.

Gen 2:3 The 7th Day or God's Rest (Sabbath) is FUTURE. Heb 4:9

Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Our God is an awesome God.

The fact is, malicious people like those posters I have encountered on this forum, will always do this same kind of EDITION of other people' quotes  and misrepresent their actual message by distorting it into out of context....  simply, because, they can NOT refute the issue brought forth and do not know how to use the Scripture for rebuttal... therefore, they have to employ those dirty tactics using AD HOMINEM at the same time - for misdirection of the issue at hand.

Here's another Truth.... So far, seekinghiswisdom has FAILED MISERABLY to refute even a single post I made on this forum - using the Scripture, Science or History for his rebuttal....None, Nada...Zip... Only willingly ignorant people like him always stumble to God's biblical truth.  ::doh::
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #12 on: Sat Aug 24, 2019 - 02:43:54 »
Dear Readers,

Here's how you can reconcile from the Scripture the Physical Forming of Adam from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day of Genesis, BEFORE, he was Created, spiritually, in the Image and likeness of God on the 6th Day of Genesis.

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that Man (Adam) was made/formed of the dust the ground on the 3rd Day becoming a natural living soul.

v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.


v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Notice that this verse are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, right AFTER the Mist that watered the whole face of the ground, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day
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v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13. Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul.

In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their "original sin" by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.

IOW, contrary to the popular and traditional Ancient Goatherder's Theology of many posters here (perhaps, you know them all), Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually on the 6th Day....only AFTER A&E already have committed their original sin; kicked out of the garden of Eden; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel.

In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generationswhen men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Amen?

Dear Readers,

We live in a Multiverse.

Gen 1:6-8 shows the 1st heaven (Adam’ world) was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 2:4 shows other heavenS (plural) being made on the 3rd Day.

That's a Multiverse, containing at least 2 or more separate heavens / universes.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WorldS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Gen 2:4-7 also shows that Adam was made on the SAME 3rd Day as the Big Bang of our Cosmos, but Unbelievers think that it is a misinterpretation of the Scripture.

In fact, there is no interpretation needed since True Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at some 13.8 Billion years ago in man’s time, and God shows it was the 3rd Days or Ages ago, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. God's Truth is the Truth Scientifically, Historically, and in EVERY other way, IF we can understand God's Holy Word.

Only God, the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, the Creator who CANNOT Lie would get these things scientifically correct, even today.

I like the FACT that Gen 2:4 shows that the Big Bang of our world was on the 3rd Day and the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos did NOT put forth their Light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16

Science has recently learned that it took Hundreds of Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang BEFORE the FIRST Stars put forth their Light. It's PROOF that ONLY God could have written Genesis.

God and true science discoveries are in agreement..... and the false ToE and Religionist (i.e. seekinghiswisdom) are the odd men out.

God bless
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #13 on: Sat Aug 24, 2019 - 03:23:40 »
Dear Readers,

It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible.

There is NOT one Truth for True Science and another one for "Bible Believing Christians”. There is Only 1 Truth, and every other discovered Truth MUST agree with God's Truth or we have Not found the 1 Truth.

That's why I seek the agreement of every other discovered Truth, to measure against God's Holy Word. The fault is Not with God's Truth, but with man's ability to understand it, for His thoughts are far above man's thoughts.

I also love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn. The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs, and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action.

When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know God's Truth, face to face. How bout you?

God bless

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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #14 on: Sat Aug 24, 2019 - 08:23:38 »
I don't have to prove to you anything. Perhaps, you need to tarry a little bit longer.   rofl

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

I said ... Your Traditional Goatherder's version of the "Trinity" (3-1) is FLAWED simply because, it's based only on wild imagination and speculation of men like you, who can NOT understand Scripture.

Others can read My Version of the Triune of God (Trinity) on the other thread - "The Mystical Union of God"

No, actually, I can smell and sense that you can NOT help yourself being racially motivated - especially to those who really expose your biblical illiteracy of the Scripture. How sad, isn't it?

Now, don't get mad or bend out of shape, because, I am just giving back your own medicine.  ::noworries::

Dear Readers,

Do you see how DISHONEST this guy "seekinhiswidom" is?  Maliciously Edited my quotes below - specifically, the 6th Creative Day of Genesis - w/c was not presented in a normal way INTENTIONALLY because it is only intended as a BRIEF OUTLINE or SUMMARY purposes only.

How stupid and racist the thinking of this person can get is beyond me. Oh well...
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The fact is, malicious people like those posters I have encountered on this forum, will always do this same kind of EDITION of other people' quotes  and misrepresent their actual message by distorting it into out of context....  simply, because, they can NOT refute the issue brought forth and do not know how to use the Scripture for rebuttal... therefore, they have to employ those dirty tactics using AD HOMINEM at the same time - for misdirection of the issue at hand.

Here's another Truth.... So far, seekinghiswisdom has FAILED MISERABLY to refute even a single post I made on this forum - using the Scripture, Science or History for his rebuttal....None, Nada...Zip... Only willingly ignorant people like him always stumble to God's biblical truth.  ::doh::

 rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

People: I have arrived.Or perhaps hit a nail on its head.

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No, actually, I can smell and sense that you can NOT help yourself being racially motivated - especially to those who really expose your biblical illiteracy of the Scripture. How sad, isn't it?      

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Do you see how DISHONEST this guy "seekinhiswidom" is?  Maliciously Edited my quotes below - specifically, the 6th Creative Day of Genesis - w/c was not presented in a normal way INTENTIONALLY because it is only intended as a BRIEF OUTLINE or SUMMARY purposes only.   

It is confusing to the average reader of a 139 IQ and less.

It is nothing short of bafflegab. Plain and simple though not so plain and not so simple.

I present scripture in chronological order and commentary in like manner. My commentary is as basic as I can be to avoid misunderstanding. I do not,and never have posted to confuse anyone. But clearly I need to work on that because YOU cannot seem to grasp what I say.

Perhaps one of the readers of this will step up to interpret me to you.

I have never maliciously edited a reply of yours. I do point out ... especially in your tirade of ...

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   ''Day 6- Jesus makes the beasts of the field and birds, Adam names them, and then Jesus makes Eve. Adam sins and is cast out from the Garden. A&E have two sons and Cain kills Abel. Seth was born and during his generations, men started to call upon the name of the Lords (Gen 4:26) Then God speaks AGAIN. Let US make man in OUR Image - Gen 1:26 cross Gen 5:1-2 Adam and Eve were BOTH "created in God's Image" In Christ. They were born again Spiritually, just as ALL of mankind MUST be born again in order to inherit the Third Heaven, the object of the 6 Creative Days.''  

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    the 6th Creative Day of Genesis - w/c was not presented in a normal way INTENTIONALLY    

You cannot understand me? By your admission the 6th Creative Day of Genesis - w/c was not presented in a normal way INTENTIONALLY . And this only confuses a great many people.

I do  ::prayinghard:: that you are not a teacher or a professor. For if you are,that certainly explains the mindset these days of the youth.


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     No, actually, I can smell and sense that you can NOT help yourself being racially motivated - especially to those who really expose your biblical illiteracy of the Scripture. How sad, isn't it?   
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What does race have to do with me asking you if you live in a country where English is the predominant language?
If you lived in Italy,Spain or Germany it is not, and would explain much, and not a racist thhought for anyone would ever enter their minds.

So that tells me you have encountered issues before.

OR maybe you are just one of those far left wing nuts who thinks always picking white paper towels is a racist act.

Sheeeesh  ::doh::

I had asked you in the other thread....


#1. Do you believe that Jesus was God's son before the timeline of Genesis?  YES or NO.

#2. If your answer is YES, then do you believe Jesus was begotten or made in some manner ?

#3. Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?  YES or NO 

#4. If you believe that Jesus was the son of God before the timeline of Genesis then do you agree that the Trinity could not have been until Jesus came into being?  YES or  NO.

You replied.

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1)  Answer - YES, see my previous quote above.

2)  Anwer: YES - see my previous posts above.

3) Answer: NO... I don't subscribe to your Ancient Goatherder's Theology of Trinity.

4) Correct... Your flawed version of Trinity (3-1) is NOT supported by the Scripture.

I was correct is saying you do not believe in the Trinity. You have a warped understanding of this and all things biblical.

Here is a hint for you.

You can always block me and then wont see or be offended by my replies.







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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #15 on: Sat Aug 24, 2019 - 19:43:02 »
Dear Readers,

Here's how you can reconcile from the Scripture the Physical Forming of Adam from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day of Genesis, BEFORE, he was Created, spiritually, in the Image and likeness of God on the 6th Day of Genesis.

Genesis 2:4-7 shows that Man (Adam) was made/formed of the dust the ground on the 3rd Day becoming a natural living soul.

v4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

As you noticed, the Earth was made on the THIRD Day. Gen 1:9-10 These verses are documenting the events of the THIRD Day.

v5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Notice that this verse are continuing to identify the time on the THIRD Day BEFORE the plants, herbs, and Trees GREW. Gen 1:12-13

v6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
v7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.


On the THIRD Day, the SAME Day the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants GREW, right AFTER the Mist that watered the whole face of the ground, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. Correct?

Read the next verses which confirm once again that Scripture is speaking of the THIRD Day
.

v8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom He had formed.
v9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


Notice that the Trees were made AFTER the LORD made Adam on the THIRD Day in total agreement with Gen 1:12-13. Also notice that man wasn't "created" but was formed out of dust becoming a natural living soul.

In fact, Adam wasn't even created in the image and likeness of God until AFTER Eve was made from his rib on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 .. and committed their "original sin" by disobeying our Lord’s commandment.

IOW, contrary to the popular and traditional Ancient Goatherder's Theology of many posters here (perhaps, you know them all), Adam was formed physically on the 3rd Day and created in God's image and likeness or Born Again Spiritually on the 6th Day....only AFTER A&E already have committed their original sin; kicked out of the garden of Eden; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel.

In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generationswhen men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Amen?

Dear Readers,

Scientifically speaking, Adam was made BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16. Since, the beginning of our Cosmos (BB) is dated at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time,  and God shows it on the 3rd Day of Genesis - Adam lived with Jesus as His Meet during the creation process of our Worlds for most of that time in a perfect body - protected by Shekinah Glory - like we will have at the Rapture in the New Heaven and New Earth.

Therefore, the false ToE and seekinghiswisdom' ASSumption is WRONG, since, Humans were made Billions of years before ANY other living creature.

God Bless
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #16 on: Sat Aug 24, 2019 - 20:29:18 »

Each of God's Days in Genesis 1 & 2 is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day of God.... and the 6th Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

In fact, today, God continues to save and create sinners in Christ which means that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.


God Bless

Dear Readers,

God's 7 Days/Ages of Creation

A Day in Hebrew is a period of time. In the Creation story, it's one of God's 7 Days or Ages. Genesis chapter 1 is the entire history of God's 6 Creative Days. God is working to create a perfect physical Heaven and fill it with His Born Again children in His image and likeness, spiritually, who will live forever with Him.

God uses the Hebrew word Yowm for Day. The word yowm is used in Scripture for 12 hours, 24 hours, a lifetime and forever.

Since the present 6th Day began when Jesus made the beasts of the field and birds and Adam named them, Gen 2:19 ... and since Gen 1:28-31 tells of events which happen AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon, the idea that each Day is 24 hours, is totally unscriptural.

That is WHY the FUTURE 7th Day of God has NO evening, since, it has NO end. It's Eternity.

God Bless
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #17 on: Sun Aug 25, 2019 - 08:56:29 »
Dear Readers,

Scientifically speaking, Adam was made BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16. Since, the beginning of our Cosmos (BB) is dated at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time,  and God shows it on the 3rd Day of Genesis - Adam lived with Jesus as His Meet during the creation process of our Worlds for most of that time in a perfect body - protected by Shekinah Glory - like we will have at the Rapture in the New Heaven and New Earth.

Therefore, the false ToE and seekinghiswisdom' ASSumption is WRONG, since, Humans were made Billions of years before ANY other living creature.

God Bless


Therefore, the false ToE and seekinghiswisdom' ASSumption is WRONG, since, Humans were made Billions of years before ANY other living creature.

 ::frown:: ::doh:: ::headscratch:: ::shrug:: ::headscratch:: ??? ::mopingaround:: ::parrot:: ::lying:: ::nana:: ::threestooges:: ::scared:: ::sleepinginbed:: ::helpme::

Idiocy. Plain and simple.

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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #18 on: Sun Aug 25, 2019 - 09:21:23 »
Dear Readers,

Scientifically speaking, Adam was made BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16. Since, the beginning of our Cosmos (BB) is dated at some 13.8 Billion years ago, in man's time,  and God shows it on the 3rd Day of Genesis - Adam lived with Jesus as His Meet during the creation process of our Worlds for most of that time in a perfect body - protected by Shekinah Glory - like we will have at the Rapture in the New Heaven and New Earth.

Therefore, the false ToE and seekinghiswisdom' ASSumption is WRONG, since, Humans were made Billions of years before ANY other living creature.

God Bless

Correction:

I meant to say......  Human (Adam) was  made Billions of years before ANY other living creature.

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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #19 on: Sun Aug 25, 2019 - 19:20:11 »
Correction:

I meant to say......  Human (Adam) was  made Billions of years before ANY other living creature.


Therefore, the false ToE and seekinghiswisdom' ASSumption is WRONG, since, Humans were made Billions of years before ANY other living creature.

 ::frown:: ::doh:: ::headscratch:: ::shrug:: ::headscratch:: ??? ::mopingaround:: ::parrot:: ::lying:: ::nana:: ::threestooges:: ::scared:: ::sleepinginbed:: ::helpme::

Idiocy. Plain and simple.
Dear Rella,

There was no 24 Hour Day and Genesis 1&2 do not state that there was a 24 hour Day.  Genesis shows that God has 6 Creative Days, and 1 Day of Rest which will Never End.  How do you explain if you think that God has more than 7 Days in Genesis -- when there’s NOT even an Evening recorded in the Scripture on the 7th, Day?

That is lack of reading comprehension and idiotic position by those who hold this Goatherder's Theology to even try to defend their speculative idea, wouldn't you agree? Do you want to TRY, anyway?

The Un-Scriptural speculative idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture.  The 7th Day has no End.

1 Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme Intelligence, It's just too hard for poor, ignorant, unbelievers and christian pretenders to comprehend. In order to understand, they need to study and be approved by God ….“rightly dividing the word of Truth”.  ::tippinghat::

2 Tim 2:15 KJV Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

God Bless
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #20 on: Mon Aug 26, 2019 - 01:00:20 »
Dear Readers,

Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and in detail.

IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1. What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future.

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,  v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

God Bless

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« Reply #21 on: Mon Aug 26, 2019 - 19:24:37 »
Dear Readers,

The Book of Genesis tells us that God has but 7 Days. He has 6 Creative Days in which He labors to bring His Creation to Perfection. At the end of the 6th Day or Age, God gives man to eat of Every tree, including the Tree of Life (Rev 22:2). God also gives ALL animals to eat herbs as meat. (Gen.1:29-30)

This Prophecy is Future because mankind has NEVER eaten of Every Tree and there has NEVER been a time when ALL animals were vegetarians. The Prophecy of Genesis 1:29-30 has NOT yet happened, which means that we remain in the 6th Day.

When YHWH. the Son of the invisible Almighty God, told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed. Adam did Not die physically within 24 hrs after he sinned, for he lived ANOTHER 930 years AFTER being created in the image and likeness of God , as a living person with the Lord - as shown in Gen 5:5. Adam did not die Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are Born Spiritually are born Eternally.

Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day of Creation. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect... Only then, on the 7th Day, God will rest and cease from ALL his work which He created and made. The 7th Day has No End = Eternal.

Isa 46
v9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

God Bless
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #22 on: Tue Aug 27, 2019 - 18:14:32 »
Dear Readers,

As I have posted before, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1. What is amazing is that God wrote our History more than 3,000 years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future.

Isa 46
v9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, v10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Today, we are still living at Gen 1:27 as we speak, since God is still saving and creating sinners in Christ, spiritually, Today .... and the rest of Genesis 1:28-31 takes place AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.

Below, are few more Biblical Proof Texts for your additional information, reference and serious study:


Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

This is a Future event which will take place in the thousand year reign of Christ on this Earth. At that time, Humans will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living thing that moves on this Earth. That includes Mosquitoes, Viruses and Sharks.. ect. It is something which has NEVER taken place on Planet Earth Before, as the next verses show:

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, AND EVERY TREE, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Again this is a prophecy of the Future since we will NOT eat from the Tree of Life until All Christians are in the New Heaven. Rev 22:14

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Another future happening, except the end of this prophecy is clearly shown in:

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

When you read the verse in context, this event happens AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at Armageddon. Isa 11:1-7

To be continued:

God Bless
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #23 on: Tue Aug 27, 2019 - 21:51:51 »
Dear Readers and Believers,

As we all know by now, Today, we are still living in Gen 1:27 and the rest of Genesis 1:28-31 takes place AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon. In fact, here's how I see  it, below:

The present 6th Day, is also the Day of Salvation and the Day of Judgment as well for ALL of humans. ALL Human kind physically Die on this present 6th Day.

2Co 6:2 (For He saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, NOW is the day of salvation.)

The begging question now becomes - Do Humans still physically die nowadays? If so, then the End of God's 6th Creative Day is still FUTURE because … when God's work is finished (brought to perfection), there will be No More Death (Rev 21:4).

1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

At the end after the Final Judgment, Satan and Death will be cast into hell. Then, Death has been defeated, and we will rise before the beginning of the 7th Day to be with our Lord on the 3rd Heaven.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Finally God's Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven is complete and Earth is Safe for a thousand years. Then, and only then, will the God, Who sees the end from the beginning, says, It was very good, at the end of the present 6th Day of labor in which God is making a perfect heaven and filling it with His Immortal Children, called Christians.

To be continued:
As we all know, the 7th Day is right AFTER the present 6th Day, the Day of Salvation, correct?

God Bless
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Re: Genesis - The Beginning - Scriptural, Scientific & Historical
« Reply #24 on: Wed Aug 28, 2019 - 01:24:49 »
Dear Readers and Believers,

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

The word finished (Gen 2:1) in Hebrew means brought to perfection since that is HOW God's work always ends. Notice also that ALL the host of Heaven (including the last sinners to be saved) are present in Heaven at this time, since, Christians are among the Host of Heaven.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from ALL his work which he had made.

The 7th Day, the Great Sabbath, which God sanctified (set apart) is the Day of Rest when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy in the New Heaven and New Earth which will Never End because the 7th Day has No Evening and No End.

This explains WHY God used the Hebrew language. It shows that His blessing of this Day (Sabbath) is FUTURE, since it is written in Hebrew ImPerfect Tense, which means that the action is not yet complete.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it (set apart): because that in it he had rested from ALL his work which God created and made.

Why others insist that this 7th Day of God (Gen 2:3) is based on a 24hrs Day only, is beyond me. The Sabbath was created for us and NOT for God himself, since, God does not grow tired or need rest. He rested (past tense) as an example to us so that we would rest on the Sabbath day, just as he did, ETERNALLY.

Continue to study and realize that I am Edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day (Gen 2:3), when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a Rest (Sabbath) to the people of God.

God Bless


Isaiah 42:16
And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.
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