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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #700 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 09:22:13 »
Any reason?   protection of one's family... I thank God, John did not HAVE to kill any one to protect us and i thank God for Winchester.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #701 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 09:29:06 »
Any reason?   protection of one's family... I thank God, John did not HAVE to kill any one to protect us and i thank God for Winchester.



Right on! Couldn't have said it better!

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« Reply #702 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 09:59:23 »
I don't want to be accused of xenophobia, but this attitude could hardly be voiced anywhere but America.  "The right to bear arms" - instituted in or around 1776 in such a violent time and never repealed.  Someone quite recently said something like "If guns made a land safe, America would be the safest country on the planet."  Should Christians own guns?"  There is nothing in the New Testament which promotes anything but peace and passivity.  A question which I want to ask is "Would Jesus have used a gun (even for self-defence) if they existed in the first century?  I think in our heart of hearts, we know the answer.

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« Reply #703 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 10:04:22 »
Yes. We as christians have the right to bare arms  ::clappingoverhead:: Them yanks got it backwards! I said, Do not Kill! It is one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS. If you want protection for your family? PRAY!

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #704 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 10:21:05 »
acmcccxlviii


  Would Jesus own a gun..... I love when folks use such statments..... When was the last time you hung on a Cross? In my heart of hearts i know the answer.



Baring arms 250 years ago was to protect the people from the govering. The more control the government has over the peoples guns the more control they have over all. Just look around the USA.

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« Reply #705 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 12:54:46 »
Perhaps its time to remind you all what happened to Jesus and what he said when the troops came out to arrest him.

All who draw the sword will die by the sword. Matthew 26:52-54

And, Do you not think I can call on my Father and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

And, But how then would the scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen this way?

Saints!!! You ARE SHEEP MARKED FOR SLAUGHTER!!! Do not resist an evil person even if it means your own death!!!

Are we trying to protect something that perishes???

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #706 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 14:34:25 »
Enough of the Drama Queen act. If you don't like guns then don't buy one and shut up!

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #707 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 15:31:47 »
benfighter, you should be ashamed if you are a brother in Christ saying to a fellow believer to "shut up"

Not sure that anyone had read my previous post, for no one responded to it, so here it is...

Now here is my conflict, when I was vacationing in Florida a few years back I believe God prepared me for a physical attack from a kidnapper.

I was watching a program on self-defense, then I got bored and went for a bike ride, a car pulled in front of me, a man jumped out, pushed me down, grabbed me from behind and started dragging me to the car, everything from the self defense show started going through my mind, but because of the way he was holding me I could not use the techniques.

He pushed me in the car, slapped me, and then a vision appeared before me of my 3 young boys, my adrenaline heightened, my hands finally free, I screamed in his face, 'you will not take me from my kids!' and used an attack from the show, shouting, then gouging the eyes.  He moaned grabbed his face, I ran, got the license, he went to jail.

So....I guess if you have a leading from the Spirit to protect yourself, or maybe a desire to protect our citizens such as police or military, pray and ask God, for I do believe God was involved in all that happened that day.

So this is not a black or white answerer, we each need to take it God and see what He wants, we should always try to stop and evil person with the power of Jesus, and the last resort would be a weapon of injury, or death.















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« Reply #708 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 15:53:26 »
God bless Debrah... Concerning governing authorities who have rule over the kingdom of men. Romans 13 They bear the sword for your good. Its a deterent.

Further however this authority is misused! Pilate himself did all he could to release Jesus but because of public opinion washed his hands of it and gave him to the people. This misuse of his authority is found in 1 Corinthians 2:8

Therefore Jesus told Pilate, the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin. Pilate was not held guiltless. He gave in to public pressure AND HOW OFTEN DO WE SEE THAT INCREASING TODAY???

To beat off an attacker is not a sin Debrah. I am reminded of the prophet (Samson??)who was attacked by a lion and full of the Holy Spirit ripped it in pieces.

When your time comes its your time! But God delivers us from every evil attack and we continue to put our hope in him that he will continue to deliver us.

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« Reply #709 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 15:55:11 »
Going to get some more guns soon!   ::clappingoverhead:: ::clappingoverhead:: ::clappingoverhead::

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #710 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 16:01:04 »
Debrah,

I read your post .... we had 'bad guys' kick down our frontdoor coming in the house with guns.

I fully understand your situation.  Glad to know your are with your kids....

I could not stand by and allow my family to be harmed.  The Scriptures are full of killing, war, liers, cheaters, just as in todays world.  Samson brought the house down.  Moses murdered.  

God gave me this life i will do all i can to preserve it, When He says thats 'it' NO man will stand in His way.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #711 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 16:58:20 »
Debrah:

You sound like one of those self-proclaimed Christian women who has a problem with just about everything. I suspect the fact that most gun owners are men is part of the reason you are against firearm ownership.

If mostly women owned guns I'd bet good money that your attitude would be different.

At any rate, you don't get to preach to me or tell me to be ashamed nor do you have any say in whether or not I'm a believer.

I'm sorry you had to endure an attack like you described but that experience should be a lesson to you to consider purchasing a firearm and getting some training.




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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #712 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 17:41:56 »
not sure how you justify me having a problem with "everything", nor did I make the statement Americans should not own guns,  ::headscratch::

your a very rude man.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #713 on: Mon Sep 20, 2010 - 19:52:49 »
Benfighter i don't see how you got what you did from Debrah's post.  There is nothing preachy nor self proclaiming.     

a quote of Debrah's post ...

 
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So this is not a black or white answerer, we each need to take it God and see what He wants, we should always try to stop and evil person with the power of Jesus, and the last resort would be a weapon of injury, or death.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #714 on: Sat Feb 15, 2014 - 12:24:35 »
Yes.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #715 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 14:12:30 »
yes

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #716 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 17:36:32 »
Yes.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #717 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 17:53:10 »
NO!
Christians should be humble peaceful types who would rather give up their life than take the life of another person. When I die, I am going to heaven. If I kill a person who is committing a crime he is likely going to hell. I don't want that to happen.
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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #718 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 18:04:36 »
Yes it is much easier to shoot my food than to chase it down and stab it.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #719 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 18:11:51 »
NO!
Christians should be humble peaceful types who would rather give up their life than take the life of another person. When I die, I am going to heaven. If I kill a person who is committing a crime he is likely going to hell. I don't want that to happen.
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Owning a firearm is not synonymous with killing people. 

You guys need to get a grip.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #720 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 18:19:42 »
I am fine with owning a gun for hunting and critter control on the farm, just not for self-defense.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #721 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 19:12:37 »
NO!
Christians should be humble peaceful types who would rather give up their life than take the life of another person. When I die, I am going to heaven. If I kill a person who is committing a crime he is likely going to hell. I don't want that to happen.
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Owning a firearm is not synonymous with killing people. 

You guys need to get a grip.
 

There is no other reason to own a gun except to use it to shoot and maim when you 'need' or 'want' to.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #722 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 19:20:22 »
I am fine with owning a gun for hunting and critter control on the farm, just not for self-defense.

I will never understand that desire to kill/maim/torture animals for so called 'sport' either. What is 'sporting' about causing unnecessary suffering and pain to any animal? God has given me a strong compassion for animals as well as people, and I cant understand where that 'desire' comes from that cares nothing for others pain and suffering. What right do we have to take the life of another whether human or animal?

There is no way that I would ever have any sort of gun or other firearm ever in my home or on my person. I hate them with a passion.    WE need to put more trust in God for protection than guns. I know a man personally who used to be a policeman. God supernaturally protected him and one colleague when they came across a large number of men were about to attack them, but then walked away. Many years later he met the ring leader who said that had it not been for the fact that there was so many police men they would have 'had them'. There were only the two of them but the gang had seen many more...........Gods protection. He realised at that point why the men had walked away(he had never understood it till then) and that it was Gods angels they had seen.
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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #723 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 19:28:56 »
So those who hunted animals in the Bible - Nimrod, Esau, David, for example - were wrong?  God even made clothing from animal skins for Adam and Eve... Do you suppose he had a method or painless skin removal that left the animal alive and naked?

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #724 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 19:30:08 »
Is it possible that my training and skill at using a firearm IS God's plan for my protection?

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #725 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 19:58:58 »
I am fine with owning a gun for hunting and critter control on the farm, just not for self-defense.

I  more than fine with gun ownership for self defense. I ain't much for hunting. To defend one's self with a gun doesn't necessrily mean even pulling the trigger. Brandishing a weapon to a perpitrator can ne enough. Most people I know carry a pistol for self defense on long road trips. Roadside car trouble can turn tragic without something to repel the 2 legged vermin that intend harm to the vulnerable.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #726 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 20:01:04 »
I not only own a gun I carry it on my person almost everywhere I go.  I do not believe God has a problem with us defending ourselves.

For the those are wondering, no I've never drawn it in public, except at a shooting range.  That said, I was taught by a wise man (my father) that "Guns aren't toys; if you pull it out, you better be planning on using it."

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #727 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 20:14:40 »
NO!
Christians should be humble peaceful types who would rather give up their life than take the life of another person. When I die, I am going to heaven. If I kill a person who is committing a crime he is likely going to hell. I don't want that to happen.
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Owning a firearm is not synonymous with killing people. 

You guys need to get a grip.
 

There is no other reason to own a gun except to use it to shoot and maim when you 'need' or 'want' to.

I own quite a few firearms, for the sole reason that they were my Dad's.  That makes you wrong... again.

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #728 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 20:45:35 »
I am fine with owning a gun for hunting and critter control on the farm, just not for self-defense.

I will never understand that desire to kill/maim/torture animals for so called 'sport' either. What is 'sporting' about causing unnecessary suffering and pain to any animal? God has given me a strong compassion for animals as well as people, and I cant understand where that 'desire' comes from that cares nothing for others pain and suffering. What right do we have to take the life of another whether human or animal?


So I'll ask you again. You're a vegetarian now?

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Re: Should Christians Own Guns?
« Reply #729 on: Mon Feb 17, 2014 - 20:47:47 »
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For the those are wondering, no I've never drawn it in public, except at a shooting range.  That said, I was taught by a wise man (my father) that "Guns aren't toys; if you pull it out, you better be planning on using it."

True, I'd think one of the quickest ways to get shot, is to pull a gun. That is saying all other avenues have been exhausted and it's time to end the conversation.

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There is no other reason to own a gun except to use it to shoot and maim when you 'need' or 'want' to.

I came home from work one day and a bunch of wild dogs were trying to get to the calves and had already killed (just for the sport of it apparently) probably 100 chickens and just leaving them lay. Had run my wife and neighbor into the house and the police and game warden were here trying to stop the carnage. A gun was definitely needed in that situation, and for the dogs that got away, I had to shoot a few on occasion for a couple weeks. Not to mention a big red hog that thought this was his farm instead of mine. I was afraid he's eat one of the children. A friend got him while I was at work, but you couldn't get close to him without him charging.
 Self defense it not just against humans.  That stuff almost made me nervous.
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