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Communism vs. Christianity

Started by admin, Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 10:41:19

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fanuvmxpx

Quote from: Mere Nick on Wed Nov 19, 2008 - 18:47:06
And finally,this. Christians and Conspiracy Theories, A Call to Repentance.
I won't address it anymore, we just disagree on economic policies. I'll listen to the economist you sent me though, because I do love hearing/analyzing the topic.

And I'm not a conspiracy theorist, fyi, I'm just not very pro-media. Hope you didn't get upset over my responses, their merely my opinion on policy. God Bless.

Mere Nick

Quote from: fanuvmxpx on Thu Nov 20, 2008 - 15:14:45
Quote from: Mere Nick on Wed Nov 19, 2008 - 18:47:06
And finally,this. Christians and Conspiracy Theories, A Call to Repentance.
I won't address it anymore, we just disagree on economic policies. I'll listen to the economist you sent me though, because I do love hearing/analyzing the topic.

And I'm not a conspiracy theorist, fyi, I'm just not very pro-media. Hope you didn't get upset over my responses, their merely my opinion on policy. God Bless.

Ok.  It just hacks me when folks like you-know-who start spouting off loads of excrement expecting it to be gobbled up like cavier.  If you read the call to repentance, you might understand why.

Bon Voyage

Quote from: Mere Nick on Thu Nov 20, 2008 - 15:23:46
Quote from: fanuvmxpx on Thu Nov 20, 2008 - 15:14:45
Quote from: Mere Nick on Wed Nov 19, 2008 - 18:47:06
And finally,this. Christians and Conspiracy Theories, A Call to Repentance.
I won't address it anymore, we just disagree on economic policies. I'll listen to the economist you sent me though, because I do love hearing/analyzing the topic.

And I'm not a conspiracy theorist, fyi, I'm just not very pro-media. Hope you didn't get upset over my responses, their merely my opinion on policy. God Bless.

Ok.  It just hacks me when folks like you-know-who start spouting off loads of excrement expecting it to be gobbled up like cavier.  If you read the call to repentance, you might understand why.

I bet you don't want to hear how Gary Coleman is gonna rise up, and help lead one world government then do you?  It will serve you right, it will be too late for you to ask, "Whatchyou talkin' bout Willis?"

the innate

Quote from: admin on Wed Nov 19, 2008 - 17:54:25
People risk their lives to float on old doors across the ocean to escape communist Cuba. They don't do that because communism is just so awesome. They do that for freedom.
people risk their lives for far more ignorant reasons than to go make money in america...


like flying thousands of miles away from america for american freedoms because iraqis hate our freedoms and supposedly tore down the towers in new york...

i'm not voting for cuba, but communism is an ism like the rest of them... a charitable capitalist could be called a benevolent communist...
i would say that the kgb were pretty good capitalists...

johnnyQ

Didn't one particular church that we read of in the New Testament pool their goods and resources and had "all things in common" to "share with any man as he had need"?  I am not saying that's what America should be, but I am saying that CHRISTIANITY and CAPITALISM don't seem all that compatible or "on the same page" in regards to how to handle certain society/social issues.  Obviously there are some aspects of a first century church revealed in the Bible that shows Christianity to have more in common with Communism than Capitalism.  Maybe that's a kind of bitter pill to swallow, but the sooner we swallow that our national policies will never reflect TRUE CHRISTIANITY as Jesus lived and taught, the better off we will be.

HRoberson

The difference is that the New Testament Christians were not taxed and then had their property given to others. The individuals gave of their property of their own accord.

Rather, it was through capitalism, or family wealth, that the Christians had the property to give.

profreewill

Quote from: jb728b on Sun Sep 02, 2007 - 08:52:22
Any political system will work (communism, socialism, democracy, empire dictatorship) as long as there are good leaders who put the people needs first.

The problem is that the leaders are not good and the people needs take a back seat to personal power and glory.

I vote republican because their agenda takes into consideration people like me.  The demon-crates have nothing to offer people like me.

I am not a minority
I am not a homosexual
I am against abortion
I believe in the freedom of religion
I believe in the right to keep and bear arms
I understand that diplomacy prevents war it doesn't win war.

The demon-crates have nothing to offer so why vote for them?


A republic would also work but people realized that they could vote themselves power.  A democracy is 51% of the people telling 49% of the people what they can do and say.  Libertarianism is the only political avenue that allows Christians to flourish.  As the republicans no longer stand on principal, they are no longer smaller government.

Mere Nick

Quote from: HRoberson on Sun Feb 15, 2009 - 17:26:02
The difference is that the New Testament Christians were not taxed and then had their property given to others. The individuals gave of their property of their own accord.

Rather, it was through capitalism, or family wealth, that the Christians had the property to give.

Right on, man.  The early Christians didn't do what they did, call it a good idea, then try to influence Ceasar to force the entire empire to do it at the point of a sword. 

Those who look at the early church's volunteerism and figure it justifies massive statism strike me as the ultimate example of "the ends justifies the means" mindset.

walker starr

I am completely convinced that GOD is strong enough not to need to be defended. I am quite sure thatall will acknowledge that it is us that are defended by CHRIST !! Amen

LittlePinky82

I don't know how many communist's are here on the forum but I'm one.  I came to communism from studying socialism actually and found communism just made a lot of sense to me and was closest to Christianity.  There's a lot of propaganda out there about communism as should be expected.  People can read more at http://www.cpusa.org  It's the Communist party of the U.S. website.  I'm still new to communism compared to some people out there so I'd be happy to do what I can in answering any question's.

the J Man

Quote from: LittlePinky82 on Sat Jul 11, 2009 - 20:42:35
I don't know how many communist's are here on the forum but I'm one.  I came to communism from studying socialism actually and found communism just made a lot of sense to me and was closest to Christianity.  There's a lot of propaganda out there about communism as should be expected.  People can read more at http://www.cpusa.org  It's the Communist party of the U.S. website.  I'm still new to communism compared to some people out there so I'd be happy to do what I can in answering any question's.

You honestly find that "control over people" makes sense and find it close to christianity? Communism has persicuted christianity for the sake of not wanting people to be liberated. Communism doesn't allow freedom of speech. The government basically owns the people when communism is abroad. If you want to take a week off to go on vacation, you need permission. How dare the government tell me that I need permission to go on vacation? They have "no" business trying to run my life.

Communism is a counterfeit to God's way of doing things. God wants us to depend on Him, to work for what we've got and achieve in life. Communism supresses your hard work as the government reaps the beenfit of that. Communism offers false hope to people that they will be taken care of, when in reality, all they get is their basic necessities tooken care of. It is "NOT" the solution to the world's problem's. Jesus is the real solution to the world's problems. He is the "ONE" you should put your trust in for provision.

LittlePinky82

Quote from: the J Man on Sat Jul 11, 2009 - 20:58:50
Quote from: LittlePinky82 on Sat Jul 11, 2009 - 20:42:35
I don't know how many communist's are here on the forum but I'm one.  I came to communism from studying socialism actually and found communism just made a lot of sense to me and was closest to Christianity.  There's a lot of propaganda out there about communism as should be expected.  People can read more at http://www.cpusa.org  It's the Communist party of the U.S. website.  I'm still new to communism compared to some people out there so I'd be happy to do what I can in answering any question's.

You honestly find that "control over people" makes sense and find it close to christianity? Communism has persicuted christianity for the sake of not wanting people to be liberated. Communism doesn't allow freedom of speech. The government basically owns the people when communism is abroad. If you want to take a week off to go on vacation, you need permission. How dare the government tell me that I need permission to go on vacation? They have "no" business trying to run my life.

Communism is a counterfeit to God's way of doing things. God wants us to depend on Him, to work for what we've got and achieve in life. Communism supresses your hard work as the government reaps the beenfit of that. Communism offers false hope to people that they will be taken care of, when in reality, all they get is their basic necessities tooken care of. It is "NOT" the solution to the world's problem's. Jesus is the real solution to the world's problems. He is the "ONE" you should put your trust in for provision.

Wow do you believe a lot of propaganda!  As a communist I can say that's okay though because before I studied communism and socialism myself and really dug into it I used to think the same things. So I'll address what you said okay?

In communism it means community.  Everyone has a say.  In the true sense of communism (which has NEVER existed by the way) people vote on issues and there are elections and city councils and whatnot.  It's easy for you to think that Christian's have been persecuted by communism because of Stalin.  He persecuted other communist's as well and killed them because they stood up to him when he wasn't doing something that had to do with communism.  Did you know that? I bet not.  I didn't either until I became more involved with communism.  The first people he killed were comrades so I'm not very fond of him.  In communism I have yet to be persecuted for my beliefs as a Christian.  Yes lots of communist's are atheist's and don't like religion at all but when people find out I'm Christian they really don't care.  We believe it's a private issue and has nothing to do with government and in a strong separation of church and state and that benefits both sides both government and religion.   Even Fidel Castro, who is one of the most well known communist's, is a Catholic.  Religion is in Cuba and Catholicism is very big and popular which is expected since they're Spanish influenced.  They have their own version of the IRS with rules to churches.

As far as controlling people that's untrue in the true sense of communism.  Sure there are dictators like Kim Jung-IL of North Korea but he isn't a communist if you look at him and at communism.  He has the label but that's pretty much it and the cult following.  There aren't unions, people can't vote, nobody can live anywhere etc.  Communism is like with any ideology and has people who are humans and we humans can become corrupt and obsessed and all those other negative attributes that comes with humanity.  It comes with free will. 

As far as Communism and Christianity read through the book of Acts.  The first Christian's mentioned there do a lot of communism such as not owning anything and sharing everything as a group.  Just one example.   

What do you mean with communism owns the people when they're abroad? That's how it is with any government on Earth.  When Americans go over seas or to another country on this side of the water's we're representing a democratic republic government.  Just be careful in some parts of Latin America cause you may be called a gringo which is a bad word there (it basically means greedy).

Uh of course the government repeats what you do.  Same thing for this government when we pay taxes.  Same thing in communism.  The government is of the people, by the people and for the people.  Sound familiar? That's a communist idea. As Christian's we're called to help the poor and those least of us, the sick, orphans, love our neighbors and take care of ourselves and the Earth.   And you know what?  Because of my religious beliefs I came to communism.  Jesus was a socialist in every sense of the word.

the J Man

Quote from: LittlePinky82 on Sat Jul 11, 2009 - 22:36:28




Wow do you believe a lot of propaganda!  As a communist I can say that's okay though because before I studied communism and socialism myself and really dug into it I used to think the same things. So I'll address what you said okay?

Concerning what you've studied, they will never tell you the "real" truth about it.

QuoteIn communism it means community.  Everyone has a say.  In the true sense of communism (which has NEVER existed by the way) people vote on issues and there are elections and city councils and whatnot.

I am aware of the fact that it derives from the word "community." That is just a cosmetic delusion to get people to accept it. Make it seem harmless and innocent and actually good for the well being of humanity. You know, Satan himself can appea as an angel of light. He can disguise himself as being good. The anti-Christ(that one world government leader) will make himelf out to be for people's best interest, but in reality, is deceiving people with an ulterior motive. That's what the anti-Christ's communist one world government will consist of.

QuoteIt's easy for you to think that Christian's have been persecuted by communism because of Stalin.

Ever heard of a book called "Voice Of The Martyr's?" There are many stories of persicuted christians, some coming from communist nations, or nations that were communist.

 
QuoteHe persecuted other communist's as well and killed them because they stood up to him when he wasn't doing something that had to do with communism.

He had people killed because they stood their ground. That is how a communist society will operate. Persicute and even murder those who take a stand for anything right. That is pure control over people and what you just posted shows how wicked communism is. Those in power do whatever they please regardless of the agony they may cause on others.

QuoteDid you know that? I bet not.

Never make an assumption of what somebody knows. You may be surprised as to what they know.

QuoteI didn't either until I became more involved with communism.

If you are wise, then you'll get out of it. You are following a lie.

QuoteThe first people he killed were comrades so I'm not very fond of him.

And I wouldn't be fond of any other communist leader either.

QuoteIn communism I have yet to be persecuted for my beliefs as a Christian.

Not yet you haven't.

QuoteYes lots of communist's are atheist's and don't like religion at all but when people find out I'm Christian they really don't care.

If you start speaking Jesus to people, they will care. Many revile at the truth. Jesus even told us we'd be persicuted for His sake. A communist governmet will persicute us for His sake. That is because they despise christianity for the sake that it liberates people.

QuoteWe believe it's a private issue and has nothing to do with government and in a strong separation of church and state and that benefits both sides both government and religion.   Even Fidel Castro, who is one of the most well known communist's, is a Catholic.

Anyone can go to church. That doesn't mean that they serve Christ.

QuoteReligion is in Cuba and Catholicism is very big and popular which is expected since they're Spanish influenced.  They have their own version of the IRS with rules to churches.

I will have to look into that one. But even so, what would happen if evangelical christians there were preaching the gospel??? Catholicism isn't known for that, and nonetheless, it's not the fact that there are church buildings that bother Satan and his one world government conspirators, it is bible believing christianity.

QuoteAs far as controlling people that's untrue in the true sense of communism.  Sure there are dictators like Kim Jung-IL of North Korea but he isn't a communist if you look at him and at communism.

It's a known fact that North Korea is communist. Since he is the leader of that nation, he is obviously a communist. Also, christianity is heavily persicuted there. Citizens are not even allowed to mention the Name of the Lord.

QuoteHe has the label but that's pretty much it and the cult following.

He wouldn't have that label if he couldn't carry the label.

QuoteThere aren't unions, people can't vote, nobody can live anywhere etc.  Communism is like with any ideology and has people who are humans and we humans can become corrupt and obsessed and all those other negative attributes that comes with humanity.  It comes with free will.  

Communism works very, very well with the corrupt I must say.

QuoteAs far as Communism and Christianity read through the book of Acts.  The first Christian's mentioned there do a lot of communism such as not owning anything and sharing everything as a group.  Just one example.  

That wasn't communism, that was people who truly worked together. Remember, communism is a counterfeit to that. That's why it looks so alike.

QuoteWhat do you mean with communism owns the people when they're abroad? That's how it is with any government on Earth.

Yes, these government subtly practice a brand of cummunism. They have done a real job keeping it behind the woodwork.

 

QuoteAs Christian's we're called to help the poor and those least of us, the sick, orphans, love our neighbors and take care of ourselves and the Earth.   And you know what?  Because of my religious beliefs I came to communism.  Jesus was a socialist in every sense of the word.

Don't be able to expect to do so much of thatif communism takes over. They will do all they can to prohibit you so thatn "they" can be in charge.

LittlePinky82

QuoteConcerning what you've studied, they will never tell you the "real" truth about it.

LOL.  So you shouldn't study from the source?  Do you not study from the Bible for Christianity?  Just like with communism I study the Communist Manifesto.  The sorta "bible" of communism.  So should you not believe anything with Christianity then? Your whole thing with that goes a long with Christianity.   Do you not go to church and study with people there? Or should you go to other churches to learn about your specific denomination?  ::doh::

QuoteI am aware of the fact that it derives from the word "community." That is just a cosmetic delusion to get people to accept it. Make it seem harmless and innocent and actually good for the well being of humanity. You know, Satan himself can appea as an angel of light. He can disguise himself as being good. The anti-Christ(that one world government leader) will make himelf out to be for people's best interest, but in reality, is deceiving people with an ulterior motive. That's what the anti-Christ's communist one world government will consist of.

Uh no hon. It's not some delusion.  It's what it is and what it means and has meant that since it came to be.  LOL the anti-Christ is now communist? LOL and here I thought it was President Obama.  Just joking.  But seriously Jesus was a socialist hon.  If you read through the book of Acts the first Christian's there did communism.  Have you ever read Acts and studied it?

QuoteIt's easy for you to think that Christian's have been persecuted by communism because of Stalin.

QuoteEver heard of a book called "Voice Of The Martyr's?" There are many stories of persicuted christians, some coming from communist nations, or nations that were communist.

And people can easily lie too. People claim all the time they're persecuted here when they're told to play by the same rules as everyone else.  It's called the persecution complex.  We (as a country) persecute Muslims and Jews and pagans and don't forget McCarthyism and that persecution.  


QuoteHe had people killed because they stood their ground. That is how a communist society will operate. Persicute and even murder those who take a stand for anything right. That is pure control over people and what you just posted shows how wicked communism is. Those in power do whatever they please regardless of the agony they may cause on others.

Uh hon did you forget the part that those communist's were fighting for true communism and that's why they were killed?  Please don't twist things.  



QuoteNever make an assumption of what somebody knows. You may be surprised as to what they know.

But you've been doing that in this thread all a long with communism.  


QuoteIf you are wise, then you'll get out of it. You are following a lie.

LOL sorry to disappoint you hon but no I'm not.  As I said before the first Christian's in Acts were practicing what is called communism today.  Google Christian Communist's.  

QuoteAnd I wouldn't be fond of any other communist leader either.

And I can't stand republican rightwing fascists like George W. Bush.  I do like Fidel, Raul, Che and Lenin.



QuoteNot yet you haven't.

Only one's who have done any sort of persecuting are people like you.  In communism, guess what? We don't care.

QuoteIf you start speaking Jesus to people, they will care. Many revile at the truth. Jesus even told us we'd be persicuted for His sake. A communist governmet will persicute us for His sake. That is because they despise christianity for the sake that it liberates people.

Oh so now you're psychic.  Hmm and here I thought that was supposed to be a Satan sorta thing but you seem to have it down pat.  Hmm maybe you're of Satan?  But seriously communist's do not care.  I've had plenty of theological religious discussions with my communist friends and a lot of them like Jesus even if they don't believe in him they like the idea and story.  LOL oh yes that's so true that in fact Fidel Castro early last year went to an opening of a Catholic Church in Cuba. OMG! LOL.  You're too much.


QuoteAnyone can go to church. That doesn't mean that they serve Christ.

Wow aren't you holier than thou? How would you like it if I said you didn't serve Christ?  I don't think you would like it very much would you?


QuoteI will have to look into that one. But even so, what would happen if evangelical christians there were preaching the gospel??? Catholicism isn't known for that, and nonetheless, it's not the fact that there are church buildings that bother Satan and his one world government conspirators, it is bible believing christianity.

They can do that.  They just have to be registered.  I used to know someone who went to Cuba and did some mission work and they were trying to get a church set up.  She said a well known member of the Communist party in Cuba was very supportive of their work and helping them out with the authorities.  This is Church of Christ too.  Psst hon communism is everything opposite of Satan. If you're wanting to find Satan's one world government look to capitalism.

QuoteIt's a known fact that North Korea is communist. Since he is the leader of that nation, he is obviously a communist. Also, christianity is heavily persicuted there. Citizens are not even allowed to mention the Name of the Lord.

No he is not.  You're not a communist nor know a thing about communism so you can't say.  Such nonsense.  Go to the Communist party website I mentioned (cpusa.org) and read everything there.  Nothing there is anywhere in North Korea.  You're lying and lying is a sin.  



QuoteHe wouldn't have that label if he couldn't carry the label.

Gee hon weren't you just saying above that people call themselves things all the time but are lying when talking about Castro and being a Christian? So which is it? If Kim Jong-Il is carrying the label of a communist and that makes him one then Fidel Castro is a Catholic Christian. You can't have it both ways.



QuoteCommunism works very, very well with the corrupt I must say.

Oh please.  Look at what capitalism has done in the last 8 years.  Invaded and occupied TWO countries, torture, persecuting people cause of faith (Muslims), making more people poor etc.  Get real.


QuoteThat wasn't communism, that was people who truly worked together. Remember, communism is a counterfeit to that. That's why it looks so alike.

Psst that's what communism is.   ::doh::


QuoteYes, these government subtly practice a brand of cummunism. They have done a real job keeping it behind the woodwork.

LOL no they don't.  Only Cuba is pretty close but they still have a lot of work to do.   ::frustrated::

QuoteDon't be able to expect to do so much of thatif communism takes over. They will do all they can to prohibit you so thatn "they" can be in charge.

LOL sorry you've seen too many red scare movies.  Were you around during McCarthyism?  ::noworries::

the J Man

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Quote from: LittlePinky82 on Sat Jul 11, 2009 - 23:51:49


  Do you not go to church and study with people there? Or should you go to other churches to learn about your specific denomination?  ::doh::

I don't follow denominations, I follow Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life(John14:6). If you follow His way, you don't adhere to the counterfeit called "communism."


Quote
Uh no hon. It's not some delusion.

It's a delusion that has deceived numerous people throughout the ages.

QuoteLOL the anti-Christ is now communist?

That's how he will operate his one world goverment.

 
QuoteIf you read through the book of Acts the first Christian's there did communism.  Have you ever read Acts and studied it?

Your wrong about that! What they did was work together and help each other. But on a political spectrum, it's not going to work that way. What the world leaders are trying to implement is "control over the people."



QuoteAnd people can easily lie too. People claim all the time they're persecuted here when they're told to play by the same rules as everyone else.  It's called the persecution complex.

If you say that people being persicuted in the Name of Jesus under communist rule, is a lie, that you must have hidden agenda your trying to promote right in this forum. "Nobody" can honestly say that it's a lie that these people were persicuted in the Name of Jesus.

QuoteWe (as a country) persecute Muslims and Jews and pagans and don't forget McCarthyism and that persecution.  

That's hogwash! People don't persicute pagans, pagans are well respected. The occult nowadays is very popular. I don't see too many persicuting jews or muslims either.



Quote
Uh hon did you forget the part that those communist's were fighting for true communism and that's why they were killed?  Please don't twist things.  

You've got your facts backwards when it comes to twisting things.


 

Quote
LOL sorry to disappoint you hon but no I'm not.  As I said before the first Christian's in Acts were practicing what is called communism today.  Google Christian Communist's.  

Oh, your not disappointing me. You can do whatever you like with your life. I believe in freedom and liberty. I just simply told you the truth that your following a lie.


Quote
And I can't stand republican rightwing fascists like George W. Bush.  I do like Fidel, Raul, Che and Lenin.

They all come from the same barrel of apples. Yeah, there is a left and a right, but they both support the same political power structure that is really controlling things.



Quote
Only one's who have done any sort of persecuting are people like you.  In communism, guess what? We don't care.

More twisted facts on your behalf. Telling the truth according to your left wing agenda is persicuting you??? What a rack of bologne that is. Jesus told people the truth, so did the apostles. Left wingers whine and cry when they don't get their way. They are so good at twisting things around.

I don't stand for either right or left, I stand right down the centre where God wants me. Both the left and right are frints to stir up chaos and confusion.


QuoteOh so now you're psychic.  Hmm and here I thought that was supposed to be a Satan sorta thing but you seem to have it down pat.  Hmm maybe you're of Satan?

I am a man of God who does the will of the Lord Jesus Christ, the very thing that Satan and his kingdom hate. Where do you get off accusing me of being a psychic??? That is just an accusation to make me look bad in hopes that others wouldn't listen to anything I am posting. Accusing me of being of Satan? I am not the one supporting the devil's lie called "communism." You have twisted scripture around to convince people that christianity and communism go hand in hand.

QuoteBut seriously communist's do not care.

Sure they do. They don't want the truth to come out. They want people to be oblivious to what is truly going on in the world. That is why one will come in this forum and stir up tension against someone speaking the truth about the wickedness in communism.

QuoteI've had plenty of theological religious discussions with my communist friends and a lot of them like Jesus even if they don't believe in him they like the idea and story.

Oh, please, Jesus Himself spoke about how the world hated Jesus and would hate His followers too(John15:18-21). Also, 2nd timothy3:12 says that those who live godly will suffer persecution. No way around it. It's right in the Word of God that saints of God will be persecuted.

QuoteLOL oh yes that's so true that in fact Fidel Castro early last year went to an opening of a Catholic Church in Cuba. OMG! LOL.  

That don't mean he supports christianity. Unless the Spirit of the Lord is present in church, it's just some religious gathering. It is not going to church that feeds the soul, it is the Word of God. Jesus mentioned how He is the bread of life(John6:35).  Communism would "NEVER" alow that! Communist leaders don't mind people going to some church building, they have a problem with true, genuine christianity. Satan himself can accept watered down lukewarm christianity. That brand of christianity doesn't get people saved, doesn't heal, deliver, set free, bring life and hope to anyone.



Quote
Wow aren't you holier than thou?

Another of your twisted pervsions. Your really good at that.

QuoteHow would you like it if I said you didn't serve Christ?  I don't think you would like it very much would you?

Your opinion of me doesn't matter. The truth is, going to church doesn't make you a christian. If you call me holier-than-thou because of that, then it's obvious what your real motives are. It's obvious that your opposing the truth in the guise of a christian, when your really trying to promote a communist agenda.



Quote
No he is not.  You're not a communist nor know a thing about communism so you can't say.

I know very well how Satan's kingdom operates. You know that I know. That's why Satan along with his cohorts hate me being on here. because I know what they do.

 
QuoteGo to the Communist party website I mentioned (cpusa.org) and read everything there.  Nothing there is anywhere in North Korea.  You're lying and lying is a sin.  

You know that I am standing for the truth, yet you accuse me of lying? Oh boy, talk about deception being implemented in this forum.




Quote
Oh please.  Look at what capitalism has done in the last 8 years.  Invaded and occupied TWO countries, torture, persecuting people cause of faith (Muslims), making more people poor etc.  Get real.

you mean people with a subtle communist agenda who are using all this as a ploy to start a third world war. It will take a third world war to bring in a one world government.





Quote
LOL sorry you've seen too many red scare movies.  Were you around during McCarthyism?  ::noworries::

I don't watch too many movies actually, it goes to show that you can do nothing but accuse me.

Sanktspirit

Communism is a complete fraud. It was devised purely to destabilize the West and destroy Christianity and is the antithesis to Jesus teachings. Its not a viable political or economic system that was designed to work and its creators knew this and its followers still do. Anyone who has embraced this fraud is a criminal and usually an authoritarian fanatic who will murder those who oppose them. Its also very possible that the Communist Manifesto is the False Prophet described in Revelation and its followers are the AntiChrist. Observe;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN0By0xbst8
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Quotehttp://www.savethemales.ca/000275.html

Rothschilds Conduct "Red Symphony"


Incredible and bizarre as it sounds, humanity is indeed the victim of a diabolical conspiracy.

War, depression and genocide in the past century were not accidental or inevitable but the result of malevolent design.

Shocking evidence is a 1938 Stalinist police (NKVD) interrogation of a founder of the Communist International, Christian G. Rakovsky, 65, who was facing execution for plotting to overthrow Stalin.

The 50-page transcript of his interrogation, dubbed "The Red Symphony," was not meant to become public. It confirms that the Rothschild-Illuminati planned to use Communism to establish a world dictatorship of the super rich.

This is perhaps the most explosive political document in modern history. It reveals why the Illuminati created Hitler and then sought to destroy him, and why Stalin made a pact with Hitler in 1939.

Christian Rakovsky was a veteran Communist insider. Born Chaim Rakeover in 1873, he studied medicine in France before becoming a revolutionary. He was the leader of a terror group that attacked government officials.

In 1919, Lenin put him in charge of the Soviet Ukraine government. He successfully kept the area for the Bolsheviks during the Civil War. Stalin appointed him Russian ambassador to Paris in 1925.

Rakovsky belonged to the powerful Trotskyite faction that took their orders from the Rothschilds. Many of this group were shot in Stalin's 1937 Communist Party purge.


MIDNIGHT INTERROGATION

The circumstances of the midnight interrogation Jan. 26, 1938 were very dramatic.

What could Rakovsky possibly say to save his life?

Rakovsky appears to use the tactic of "deceiving with the truth." He wins trust by revealing the truth but leaves some of it out. He tries to impress his interrogator that he and Trotsky represent an invincible power he calls the "Capitalist-Communist Financial International."

He confirms that the "revolutionary movement" was designed to enlist support by pretending to serve mankind's moral and collective ideals. The real aim however is to give total world power to the bankers by dividing society and undermining established authority.

"Revolution" really means, "overturning" Western civilization.

"Christianity is our only real enemy since all the political and economic phenomena of the bourgeois states are only its consequences," Rakovsky, says. (Griffin, p. 264)

Peace is "counter-revolutionary" since it is war that paves the way for revolution.

Rakovsky, whose tongue was loosened by a mild inebriant in his wine, refers to the Illuminati as "they" or "them." He is a member although not part of the inner circle.

He explains that the "Illuminati" is a Masonic secret society dedicated to Communism. Significantly, its founder Adam Weishaupt took the name from "the second anti-Christian conspiracy of that era, gnosticism." (249)

BAH-BLAH

As I said before the first Christian's in Acts were practicing what is called communism today.  Google Christian Communist's. 

No, they were not. No one was FORCED to give by a 3rd party. Gosh the difference is so plain, but that plainness wont penetrate the true believer in this junk

Mere Nick

Quote from: BAH-BLAH on Fri Jul 31, 2009 - 08:35:04
As I said before the first Christian's in Acts were practicing what is called communism today.  Google Christian Communist's. 

No, they were not. No one was FORCED to give by a 3rd party. Gosh the difference is so plain, but that plainness wont penetrate the true believer in this junk

I'm hip.

Joker2

If you read through the book of Acts the first Christian's there did communism.  Have you ever read Acts and studied it?  (end quote)


Acts 4


32All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. 34There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.

This is not communism.     Most of us call this "sharing". 

admin

Quote from: Joker2 on Sat Sep 05, 2009 - 20:12:59
If you read through the book of Acts the first Christian's there did communism.  Have you ever read Acts and studied it?  (end quote)


Acts 4


32All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. 34There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.

This is not communism.     Most of us call this "sharing".  

Joker, there is a MASSIVE difference in communism and what the early church did in the book of Acts. They voluntarily gave up certain things. Some people gave up everything, some people gave some. It was CHOICE. Communism is a government system that forces people to give up what they have and the government is certainly not going to have the same priorities as the early church or God....though a communist government seeks to become God so that there's not any independent thought or questioning of what they're doing.

The early American pilgrims tried communism for a winter and nearly starved (actually, about half died of starvation or disease due to malnutrition). It was because people learned that they could not work and yet still eat and so more and more people decided they didn't want to work. Finally the first governor of the colony instituted a total free market. He gave everyone a plot of land and told them that whatever they got to grow on that land or whatever animal they killed they could do with it whatever they wanted (keep it, sell it, give it away, whatever they wanted). It was a GREAT success and the overfill was shared with the Indians. It was partially from that failed experiment with communism that the American free market was born.

Northboy

Quite a discussion.

To my mind early Christians did not follow "Communist" principles, but that of a commonwealth. Ancient Israel did the same. Communism seeks to centralize control, while commonwealths tend to decentralize control, providing empowerment to its citizens. Commonwealths are governed by the rights of the people, such as outlined in the ancient documents of the Magna Carta and the Charter of Forests. To the average person the Charter of Forests is most important as it lays down the right of an individual to pursue rightful livelihood.

Capitalism is an economic development tool, primarily used to develop colonies "in the day" and I'm not sure you can describe it as an ideology. Sure it works, but at what cost?


As no one has brought this into the discussion, but I would like to draw your attention to


Deuteronomy 15-7 and 8

"When one of your fellow-countrymen in any of your settlements in the

land which the Lord God is giving you becomes poor, do not be
hard hearted or close fisted with your countryman in his need."
Be open handed towards him and lend him on pledge as much as he needs.

Any country which wishes to live under God's providence is required to live by the Father's laws. How we go about managing our economy or our affairs is pretty much left up to us, but this is the specification.

I suggest a deeper look into commonwealth, after all, some states still are commonwealths aren't they?

TradCath

Hello
THough I might try to add some facts to this thread. They seem to be in short supply




Aleksandr Solzhenitsyns who spent 10 years in The Gulag in Communist Russia wrote the Pulitizer and Nobel Prize winning 'The Gulag Archipelago, and used the research of the official Soviet Statistician who had access to secret government files,

I. A. Kurganov, estimated that between 1918 and 1959, at least 66 million died at the hands of the Communist rulers of Russia.'


These were 66 Million Christians.  
I have lots of Info on this topic and can be as graphic as you like..


"The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was the Work of Jewish Brains, Jewish Dissatisfaction and Jewish Planning, whose goal is to create a New Order in the world.
What was performed in so excellent a way in Russia, thanks to Jewish Brains and Jewish planning, shall also, through the same mental and Physical forces, Become a reality all over the world."
-American Hebrew, September 8, 1920


"Some call it Marxism — I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).


"The Communist Movement and ideology played an important part In Jewish life, particularly in the  1920s, 1930s and during and after World War II  
Jews became the leading element in the legal and illegal Communist Parties..
Jews were instructed to change their names so as "not confirm right-wing propaganda that presented Communism as an alien, Jewish conspiracy."
-Front cover Volume 5, 1971  Encyclopedia Judaica, published Jerusalem, Israel
Under the entry for "Communism":Vol. 5, page 792


The flip side to Communism is not the market based economy based on sound money, but on Capitalism.


"Capitalism was born from the money loan. Money lending contains the root idea of capitalism. Turn to the pages of the TALMUD and you will find that the Jews made an art of lending money. They were taught early to look for their chief happiness in the possession of money. They fathomed all the secrets that lay hid in money. They became Lords of Money and Lords of the World.'
SOMBART, WERNER. 20th century German economist




And Please spare me the nonsense about invading 2 nations
We invaded them for Israel and an oil pipeline to Haifa Israel as reported by the Israeli Haaretz and Jerusalem Post.


Chief Rabbi Metzger thanks Bush for intervening in Iraq
M. Wagner-Jerusalem Post 1/9/2008

During a short verbal exchange Wednesday at the Ben Gurion Airport Terminal, Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi Yona Metzger thanked George Bush for the US military intervention in Iraq.
"I want to thank you for your support of Israel & in particular for Waging a War against Iraq," Metzger told Bush, according to the spokesman
Bush answered that the words "warmed his heart"




"Of course the Iraq war is about oil"
"We've treated the Arab world as a collection of big gas stations,
Our message to them is: Guys, keep your pumps open, prices low, be nice to the Israelis and you can do whatever you want out back. Osama and 9/11 is the distilled essence that represents everything going on out back."
-General John Abizaid (Ret.), the former CENTCOM Commander

Mere Nick


Logismos

#233
I agree with those arguing that the the Bible favors collective ownership and brotherly equality. Not necessarily 19th century Marxism, but definitely little could be found in Scripture to support blanket Christian support for capitalist theory which teaches that if everyone is selfish it will be good for society.

I disagree with those who are arguing that Communism automatically relates to authoritarian, totalitarian dictatorships like Stalin or the Chinese Cultural Revolution. No truly communist country has ever existed and its only ever been attempted by pre-industrial developing nations as a means for authoritarian single-party dictatorships to force industrialization.  None of that is part of Marxist theory.

Mere Nick

If you and some fellow Christians near you decide to throw in together and pool your resources, that's your business. 

profreewill

Quote from: kanham on Sun Sep 02, 2007 - 08:38:27
Unless something has changed communism is not the enemy and health care isn't the problem, Satan is.

If communism is so evil and such a harsh thing for Christians to allow why is the church growing in a communist country?

Yes, Israel wanted to be governed by man, doesn't seem to me to be any different then the church wanting to be governed by Republicans.

The other myth I see perpetuated on this thread is the idea that Republicans are for smaller government. It would seem they love to spend just as much, they just prefer to cut taxes and spend.

In the end it would seem to me that the only difference between either party is who gets the money when they are in power. 


Could you offer some proof that church is growing in Communist countries.  Be specific.

PS As you insinuated, republicans are just theirs in different clothing.

doggieseatdoggies

I wonder about socialism in the Bible when I read Acts 2:42-47.

Here's my take: Communism crumbled because Marx's "Religion is the Opiate of the People."
Capitalism is crumbling because greed is not a God thing.  We've taken a world of plenty and made it a place of enormous disparity of wealth, even among those who work hard every day. The Bible makes it clear that an honest day's work should be rewarded accordingly.  Capitalism for its part in this world has brushed God out of it.  A system is only as good as it allows God to exist within.

Northboy

Quote from: doggieseatdoggies on Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 16:25:18
I wonder about socialism in the Bible when I read Acts 2:42-47.

Here's my take: Communism crumbled because Marx's "Religion is the Opiate of the People."
Capitalism is crumbling because greed is not a God thing.  We've taken a world of plenty and made it a place of enormous disparity of wealth, even among those who work hard every day. The Bible makes it clear that an honest day's work should be rewarded accordingly.  Capitalism for its part in this world has brushed God out of it.  A system is only as good as it allows God to exist within.


Bingo!!~!!!

Socialism or any other of the "isms" have an element of central control, central authority. Ultimately as many have pointed out, leads to some sort of system failure.

Commonwealth on the other hand does not include centralized control.

Its the difference between command and control and dialogue.

This is a scriptoral specification as you are discerning.

Mere Nick

Quote from: doggieseatdoggies on Sun Nov 22, 2009 - 16:25:18
Capitalism is crumbling because greed is not a God thing.  We've taken a world of plenty and made it a place of enormous disparity of wealth, even among those who work hard every day. The Bible makes it clear that an honest day's work should be rewarded accordingly.  Capitalism for its part in this world has brushed God out of it.  A system is only as good as it allows God to exist within.

The free market is the only moral economic system.  All others are based upon force and coercion.

Logismos

An unregulated free market leads to its own forms of coercion and exploitation. It is not inherently more or less moral than any other economic system.

Mere Nick

Since governments, when instituted, must not violate individual rights, I oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals. People should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others. They should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders; and the resultant economic system, the only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.


Logismos

#241
Oh what a tidy set of absolutes just waiting to be spoiled by even the slightest wiff of reality.

Quote from: Mere Nick on Thu Nov 26, 2009 - 09:43:32
I oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals.

Are there any goods or services that I should not be legally able to purchase?

QuotePeople should not be forced to sacrifice their lives and property for the benefit of others.

So hypothetically a man could morally withhold food from his children until they starve to death? After all, it is his property and he cannot be forced to give it to someone else. Speaking of homicidal fathers, suppose a man  murders all of his children with a hammer as they sleep--would it benefit others in the community for such a man to be executed by the government? Keep in mind that if you allow for even one exception to your seemingly absolute principle then it opens the possibility that there might be other reasonable exceptions.

QuoteThey should be left free by government to deal with one another as free traders

What happens if the repeated tendency is for one group of free traders to continually exploit another group of free traders to the point that the second group is eventually no longer free?

Quotethe only one compatible with the protection of individual rights, is the free market.

Many tens of millions of people over many hundreds of years have been enslaved to various degrees as a direct consequence of completely free trade. Likewise millions of others have been enslaved by overly coercive political systems. To claim that one kind of economic system champions individual rights is historically naive.

TonkaTim

#242
Communism, Socialism, Fascism whatever "ism" you prefer to call it is a serious threat. It permeates throughout our society. As of the early 20th century it became part of our laws. It was designed to destroy the Free Enterprise System aka the American System and more importantly to destroy the belief in the One True God, our Lord, our Savior, Jesus. The "isms" teaches one to take your eyes off the Kingship of Christ and to hand that crown to men. The "isms" are the politics of the religion secular humanism which teaches the first lie "you can be as gods".

As I said we have communist laws on the books now, two of the great communist laws have been on the books since 1913. They come directly from Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. They are the state monoply of credit and the progessive income tax known as the Federal Reserve banking System & the Internal Revenue code.

The Income Tax specifically steals the first fruits which belong to God and places a yoke of servitude on you.

When it comes to money God requires "honest weights & measures" & no "usury". The Federal Reserve System undoes both. It gives fiat paper money backed only by "faith". It also imposes debt slavery upon our nation, our children & our children's children. Every dollar is borrowed is debt and every dollar is dimishing under the usury (compounding interest).

When our money was an honest weight & measure, gold & silver as perscribed by law, the value of money (purchasing power) increased by 42%, a bountiful blessing. When the communist (ungodly) money system was imposed on us in 1913 our money has decreased in value by 96%. Since then we have suffered financial bubbles, recessions, depressions, chaos. God's ways are stability & peace. Man's way are instability & strife.

Logismos

Fascism and communism are direct opposites by the way. Fascism supports power of the business elites, reinforces traditional values, and is ultra nationalistic to the extent that it is the only thing that matters. Communism de-emphasizes the state in preference of class consciousness, it rejects traditional values for tradition's sake, and it attempts to eliminate the power of the ruling business elite and all other social inequalities.

As far as the actual main point of your post about taxes and usury I have no comment. I'd say we have far more than just two socialist laws in the united states. I'm not in favor of a fully socialist system but in each case you have to weigh the pros and cons and the end result is a mixed economy with a bit of both.

TonkaTim

Quote from: Logismos on Sun Nov 29, 2009 - 16:06:13
Fascism and communism are direct opposites by the way. Fascism supports power of the business elites, reinforces traditional values, and is ultra nationalistic to the extent that it is the only thing that matters. Communism de-emphasizes the state in preference of class consciousness, it rejects traditional values for tradition's sake, and it attempts to eliminate the power of the ruling business elite and all other social inequalities.

As far as the actual main point of your post about taxes and usury I have no comment. I'd say we have far more than just two socialist laws in the united states. I'm not in favor of a fully socialist system but in each case you have to weigh the pros and cons and the end result is a mixed economy with a bit of both.

I understand the propaganda difference between the these "isms", but when one looks at the actual economic & legal basis the "isms" themselves and strip away the "so-called ideology"(propaganda) it all leads to statism or better said the authority of man usurping the authority of God.

Marx's propaganda describes your definition of Communism but his economics and transfer of control to state defy his own propaganda. When looked at objectively they only difference between the fascist & the communist is who actually controls the state monopolies the "intellectuals" or the "corportists"

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