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You are not able to remarry
(Unless your spouse has died)


Matt 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery


Matt 19: 8-9
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."


Is this your second marriage ...or more?
You're in an adulterous marriage !

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: Billy Notagoat  Fri Jan 25, 2019 - 11:42:55Matthew 5:32~But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.  Matthew 19:4-9~And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

I added more scripures~WHY did you say

: Billy Notagoat Is this your second marriage ...or more? You're in an adulterous marriage !

And THEN quoted scriptures that has an exception clause in them? Let us debate this subject for the benefit of those who might truly care. Billy, show me that you are not a goat. RB

: Billy Notagoat  Fri Jan 25, 2019 - 11:42:55
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You are not able to remarry
(Unless your spouse has died)


Matt 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery


Matt 19: 8-9
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."


Is this your second marriage ...or more?
You're in an adulterous marriage !

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Yet you give that exception clause which disproves your point completely. Except for pornea(sexual immorality).

You also may have forgotton that God forgives, wipes away our past, and loves to give His children fresh starts and new beginnings. He restores all that the locusts have eaten and uses what we have been though for good. He puts the lonely in families. Also that in the Bible a divorce always ends a marriage. Also that in the story of the woman at the well, He recognises all of the woman's past husbands as having been her husbands, except the man she is living with when they met who she wasnt married to. Had they been committing adultery and not married he would have said so.

Next.

FWIW -- This site (https://www.divorce-remarriage.com/).

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Matt 19: 8-9
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

I suppose in that patriarchal culture, men had all the power and it was a given that being married was a way out of poverty for women; that women would never seek divorce.

In our culture, is a divorce legitimate if the husband is unfaithful?

: chosenone  Fri Jan 25, 2019 - 17:09:05 Also that in the Bible a divorce always ends a marriage.

That is not a true statement. All divorces as far as the law of the land ends all marriages, but not according to God's word does all divorces end a marriage, or Jesus' teaching concerning the law of marraige is wrong.

: JESUS CHRISTMark 16:18~"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery."

So your statement is not biblical.

: JESUS CHRISTMatthew 5:31,32~"It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

Here the Lord Jesus added a clause exception to marriage and divorce, the "only exception" given in the word of God~the sin of fornication which takes in MANY SEXUAL SINS from incest (1st Corinthians 5)~to Sodomy (Jude 7) .....bestiality.....to Necrophilia....to Paraphilias, etc.  Marriage and divorce are LIMITED to sexual sins~I see no other exceptions in the word of God.

If my wife ever dies, I WOULD NOT marry a woman with a living husband, EXCEPT she left him because of fornication.

I will add this: IF my wife left me for whatever reason, I WOULD marry again to a woman who does NOT have a living husband....WHY do you ask? because men in the scripture were ALLOW to have more than one living wife at a time and were NOT considered by God to be living in adultery. That is so clear in the scriptures. A woman was NOT allowed to have two husbands at a time~no where do you ever see that practice in the word of God.  If you do not think that's fair then take it up with God when you see him on that day!

: RB  Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 03:52:55
That is not a true statement. All divorces as far as the law of the land ends all marriages, but not according to God's word does all divorces end a marriage, or Jesus' teaching concerning the law of marraige is wrong. So your statement is not biblical.  Here the Lord Jesus added a clause exception to marriage and divorce, the "only exception" given in the word of God~the sin of fornication which takes in MANY SEXUAL SINS from incest (1st Corinthians 5)~to Sodomy (Jude 7) .....bestiality.....to Necrophilia....to Paraphilias, etc.  Marriage and divorce are LIMITED to sexual sins~I see no other exceptions in the word of God.

If my wife ever dies, I WOULD NOT marry a woman with a living husband, EXCEPT she left him because of fornication.

I will add this: IF my wife left me for whatever reason, I WOULD marry again to a woman who does NOT have a living husband....WHY do you ask? because men in the scripture were ALLOW to have more than one living wife at a time and were NOT considered by God to be living in adultery. That is so clear in the scriptures. A woman was NOT allowed to have two husbands at a time~no where do you ever see that practice in the word of God.  If you do not think that's fair then take it up with God when you see him on that day!

Yet Jesus recognised all of the woman at the wells husbands as having been her husbands. So clearly He also recognised all of her divorces as having ended the previous marriages. God led me to that story when I was studying this subject. While he may not like divorce,(and who does), He recognises them as having ended previous marriages. Many in those days were also leaving their wives for another woman and not even giving her a certificate of divorce, so that she could not marry again. 

I would marry a man whose wife had either cheated or abandoned him or both. Or whose wife has committed some other sort of sexual immorality.

To the OP, of course in Bible times it was expected that women would marry again quite quickly, otherwise she would have been destitute.

: RB  Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 03:52:55
That is not a true statement. All divorces as far as the law of the land ends all marriages, but not according to God's word does all divorces end a marriage, or Jesus' teaching concerning the law of marraige is wrong. So your statement is not biblical.

If a marriage isn't assumed with the acceptance of God, why would it be necessary to seek God to end that marriage? I'm talking about the difference between a marriage that was granted legally by the state opposed to a marriage where the couple was ceremoniously presented to God. Shouldn't there be a difference if a couple marries purely for legal purposes, devoid of any commitment to God?

: chosenone  Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 04:46:57
I would marry a man whose wife had either cheated or abandoned him or both. Or whose wife has committed some other sort of sexual immorality.

Or if she chased him around the house with a butcher knife.

: Alan  Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 06:17:13

Or if she chased him around the house with a butcher knife.

Yep:-)

: Alan  Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 06:15:17

If a marriage isn't assumed with the acceptance of God, why would it be necessary to seek God to end that marriage? I'm talking about the difference between a marriage that was granted legally by the state opposed to a marriage where the couple was ceremoniously presented to God. Shouldn't there be a difference if a couple marries purely for legal purposes, devoid of any commitment to God?

Also if a couple divorced for unbiblical reasons and remarried before they were Christians, and then became Christians, that is wiped away and forgiven anyway.

: Alan  Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 06:15:17If a marriage isn't assumed with the acceptance of God, why would it be necessary to seek God to end that marriage? I'm talking about the difference between a marriage that was granted legally by the state opposed to a marriage where the couple was ceremoniously presented to God. Shouldn't there be a difference if a couple marries purely for legal purposes, devoid of any commitment to God?

Like it was in Ezra 10? That may very well fall under what you are asking.

Ezra 10:1-12~'Now when Ezra had prayed, and when he had confessed, weeping and casting himself down before the house of God, there assembled unto him out of Israel a very great congregation of men and women and children: for the people wept very sore. And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, : yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing. Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law. Arise; for this matter belongeth unto thee: we also will be with thee: be of good courage, and do it. Then arose Ezra, and made the chief priests, the Levites, and all Israel, to swear that they should do according to this word. And they sware. Then Ezra rose up from before the house of God, and went into the chamber of Johanan the son of Eliashib: and when he came thither, he did eat no bread, nor drink water: for he mourned because of the transgression of them that had been carried away. And they made proclamation throughout Judah and Jerusalem unto all the children of the captivity, that they should gather themselves together unto Jerusalem; And that whosoever would not come within three days, according to the counsel of the princes and the elders, all his substance should be forfeited, and himself separated from the congregation of those that had been carried away. Then all the men of Judah and Benjamin gathered themselves together unto Jerusalem within three days. It was the ninth month, on the twentieth day of the month; and all the people sat in the street of the house of God, trembling because of this matter, and for the great rain. And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel. Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives. Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do."

Brother, would this fall under what you are asking? If so, let all consider this.

Here the Lord Jesus added a clause exception to marriage and divorce, the "only exception" given in the word of God~the sin of fornication which takes in MANY SEXUAL SINS from incest (1st Corinthians 5)~to Sodomy (Jude 7) .....bestiality.....to Necrophilia....to Paraphilias, etc.  Marriage and divorce are LIMITED to sexual sins~I see no other exceptions in the word of God.

If my wife ever dies, I WOULD NOT marry a woman with a living husband, EXCEPT she left him because of fornication.

I will add this: IF my wife left me for whatever reason, I WOULD marry again to a woman who does NOT have a living husband....WHY do you ask? because men in the scripture were ALLOW to have more than one living wife at a time and were NOT considered by God to be living in adultery. That is so clear in the scriptures. A woman was NOT allowed to have two husbands at a time~no where do you ever see that practice in the word of God.  If you do not think that's fair then take it up with God when you see him on that day!

Great post! Thank you for your thoughtful contribution to this thread.

: RB  Sat Jan 26, 2019 - 08:40:48
Like it was in Ezra 10? That may very well fall under what you are asking.  Brother, would this fall under what you are asking? If so, let all consider this.

I think that fits very well Red.

To all those trying to rationalize what was taught by Jesus, he supersedes all of your rationalization.

You are NOT allowed to remarry, indeed , you may get a divorce if your spouse committed adultery, but that does not allow you to remarry.

: Billy Notagoat  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:14:05
To all those trying to rationalize what was taught by Jesus, he supersedes all of your rationalization.

You are NOT allowed to remarry, indeed , you may get a divorce if your spouse committed adultery, but that does not allow you to remarry.

Nonsense

: Billy Notagoat  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:14:05
To all those trying to rationalize what was taught by Jesus, he supersedes all of your rationalization.

You are NOT allowed to remarry, indeed , you may get a divorce if your spouse committed adultery, but that does not allow you to remarry.

No where does the Bible say that we cant remarry if God blesses us in that way. No where does the Bible say that a divorce does not end the previous marriage, you have ignored the things we said, such as the story of the woman at the well.  If the people are divorced for sexual immorality or abandonment, they are then free to marry again. They are not longer married. They are single.

Maybe you dont think that God restores to us all that the locusts have eaten or gives fresh starts? Or that he forgives yours and my past sins?
I know that He does. I have seen it time and time again. I am sad that you haven't.

You believe that your sins will be forgiven if you do not obey Jesus?

The world has been told  a false gospel.

You cannot remarry , and if you do/ have , you are in an adulterous marriage.

: Billy Notagoat  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:37:51
You believe that your sins will be forgiven if you do not obey Jesus?

The world has been told  a false gospel.

You cannot remarry , and if you do/ have , you are in an adulterous marriage.

You're wrong and the Bible doesn't follow your allegations.

@Alan
Please see the OP for the scripture

If you see that and still disagree...Its not me your disagreeing with rather Jesus

There is also a post under the Theology forum discussing obedience to Jesus and his teachings

Keeping feeding the troll.

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Sharing what Jesus teaches is not trolling.

Though to a world who rejected him and killed him when he came down for  what he taught.
Telling the world the same things Jesus taught will surely not make them popular
If they are staying true to the message

: Billy Notagoat  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:37:51
You believe that your sins will be forgiven if you do not obey Jesus?

The world has been told  a false gospel.

You cannot remarry , and if you do/ have , you are in an adulterous marriage.

You are wrong. We are not told we cant remarry if we are Biblically divorced.

: Billy Notagoat  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 11:41:21
@Alan
Please see the OP for the scripture

If you see that and still disagree...Its not me your disagreeing with rather Jesus

Jesus never said that you can't remarry if you are divorced for those specific reasons.

: Texas Conservative  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:25:41Keeping feeding the troll.

Keeping feeding the troll goats....we shall see.  Now Billy, prove to me you are not a goat. Lets you and myself discuss this subject. Address Matthew 5; 19 AND EZRA 10. In the meantime, I'll look at Ezra ten with some thoughts for my brother Alan.  Right now, I have a duty to do call RESTING.

: chosenone  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:41:52You are wrong. We are not told we cant remarry if we are Biblically divorced.

Chosenone, please tell me what you think is Biblically divorced~we know that all divorces are not biblical.

I also was going to comment and ask what you think biblically divorced is?

: RB  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 12:51:25
Chosenone, please tell me what you think is Biblically divorced~we know that all divorces are not biblical.

There are permitted reasons for a divorce to occur. Pornea, which can mean many different types of sexual immorality, and/or abandonment.  If someone divorces you against your will, that can be abandonment.

And you cannot marry someone who is divorced

: Billy Notagoat  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 13:47:14
And you cannot marry someone who is divorced

You are a troll.  But not a good one.   ::pokingwithstick::

Call me what you will
Matt 10:25

: Billy Notagoat  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 14:02:12
Call me what you will
Matt 10:25

You think you are going the work of God, but you are not.
John 8:44.

Crazy thing is ... when Jesus taught these things... the pharisees said the same thing about him.
John 8:48

I say to obey Jesus and this is what I'm told.

: Billy Notagoat  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 13:47:14
And you cannot marry someone who is divorced

Depends on why they are divorced.

: Billy Notagoat  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 14:22:03
Crazy thing is ... when Jesus taught these things... the pharisees said the same thing about him.
John 8:48

I say to obey Jesus and this is what I'm told.

Taught what things??? Jesus never said that you can't remarry after a divorce for Biblically allowable reasons.

: chosenone  Sun Jan 27, 2019 - 13:16:30There are permitted reasons for a divorce to occur. Pornea, which can mean many different types of sexual immorality, and/or abandonment.  If someone divorces you against your will, that can be abandonment.

You are adding abandonment please give me scriptures for that. I DO believe a man can have MORE than one wife and NOT be in an adulterous marriage~but a woman cannot. There are David and Michal as the perfect example of what I'm saying. WHY did David go and get Michal back ONLY to put her away from him and never went unto her again? Was that fair for her? Was David wrong in what he did? I think not!

Judy, you make a lot of statements without support from the scriptures, and you do this often~ In doing so, your position means nothing, the only thing it means is that it is your personal position, nothing more.

: Billy Notagoat on: Yesterday at 12:52:36I also was going to comment and ask what you think biblically divorced is?

I have given my position above, did you not read it? Now, I'm waiting on you to prove to me that Matthew 5; and 19 where the exceptiuon clause is given by Jesus, does not mean that there ARE exceptions as you are saying that there are not~so, prove what Matthew 5 and 19 are saying, IF you do not believe that there are exceptions....then prove it by explaining what you think Jesus is teaching in those two instances. All you have done so far is making bold statements without any biblical proof. Billy, prove to me that you are not a goat. That should not be that hard if you have truth. Maybe, you are just a confused sheep...which is it?

Alan, you are next, my friend.  Ezra 10.....RB

: RB  Mon Jan 28, 2019 - 04:47:49
You are adding abandonment please give me scriptures for that. I DO believe a man can have MORE than one wife and NOT be in an adulterous marriage~but a woman cannot. There are David and Michal as the perfect example of what I'm saying. WHY did David go and get Michal back ONLY to put her away from him and never went unto her again? Was that fair for her? Was David wrong in what he did? I think not!

Judy, you make a lot of statements without support from the scriptures, and you do this often~ In doing so, your position means nothing, the only thing it means is that it is your personal position, nothing more. I have given my position above, did you not read it? Now, I'm waiting on you to prove to me that Matthew 5; and 19 where the exceptiuon clause is given by Jesus, does not mean that there ARE exceptions as you are saying that there are not~so, prove what Matthew 5 and 19 are saying, IF you do not believe that there are exceptions....then prove it by explaining what you think Jesus is teaching in those two instances. All you have done so far is making bold statements without any biblical proof. Billy, prove to me that you are not a goat. That should not be that hard if you have truth. Maybe, you are just a confused sheep...which is it?

Alan, you are next, my friend.  Ezra 10.....RB

As Christians we are clearly told not to have more than one husband or wife together. Paul says 'let each man have his own wife and let each woman have her own husband'. Even Solomon said later in his life 'be faithful to the wife of your youth'. Sorry no wiggle room for 2 women or 2 men in a marriage. God's intention was always for one man and one women as He says right from the beginning. 'The man shall leave his father and mother and join to His wife'. He made Eve for Adam, not Eve and many other women.
He may have permitted more than one in the OT, but it was never His will or desire, and for us as Christians its not permitted. If a man or woman have sex with someone other than their spouse its adultery. Plus the fact that we are told to obey the laws of our land and in most countries getting married to a woman or man when you are already legally married to another is bigamy and against the law.

Sorry dont agree that what I post is unbiblical at all. I have studied these subjects.

Luke 16 :18
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

: Billy Notagoat  Mon Jan 28, 2019 - 12:35:17
Luke 16 :18
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

We have already been though all this. You have clearly not been reading.

Matthew 5 v 32But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for a matter of sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7 v 15

15 But if the unbelieving partner leaves, let him leave. In such cases the [remaining] brother or sister is not [spiritually or morally] bound.

No thanks , Ill listen to what Jesus commands.

And whether or not you do as well will be what you are judged on

John 12:48

: chosenone  Mon Jan 28, 2019 - 10:15:05As Christians we are clearly told not to have more than one husband or wife together.

You never answered my question to you. But, that's okay, because I know you cannot~you were wise for not trying.

: Chosenone Reply #38 on: Today at 10:15:05As Christians we are clearly told not to have more than one husband or wife together

The truth is, be it OT or NT, no woman was ever allowed to have more than one living husband and be free from not living in sin. Men did and could, even though it was NOT God's will from the beginning, yet once sin entered, God allowed Moses to permit it. God allowed it because of the hardness of man's heart.

: Chosenone Reply #38 on: Today at 10:15:05Even Solomon said later in his life 'be faithful to the wife of your youth

He said it under the inspiration of God~but never practiced it! God allowed him to have them JUST to show us what is good for a man under the sun, and Solomon's gave us what that was~in Chapter twelve of Ecclesiastes.

: Chosenone Reply #38 on: Today at 10:15:05 Sorry no wiggle room for 2 women or 2 men in a marriage

Two women for one man~yes, two men for one woman~NO. Now, that being said, I will add this~it is NOT what makes a great marriage, proven by Genesis 1,2 and many other scriptures. The glorious marriage and the happiest is ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN for LIFE living in obedience to the word of God~the man loving his wife as Christ loved the church, and woman being under her lord as her head as the church is to Christ.

: Chosenone Reply #38 on: Today at 10:15:05, but it was never His will or desire, and for us as Christians its not permitted

Chosenone, you can not prove that it is NOT permitted for IT IS~only it is not the perfect marriage that God ordained. Just because you as a woman can not get past it, does not make it sinful, for it is not, or else men in the scriptures (GODLY MEN) lived in the sin of adultery.

Plus the fact that we are told to obey the laws of our land and in most countries getting married to a woman or man when you are already legally married to another is bigamy and against the law.

Man's laws DO NOT make void the word of God. I have no problem with ONE MAN with ONE woman, I KNOW it's God perfect will for man to be the most satisfied and happiest while living in the flesh. Yet, I will NOT judge a man with more than one wife (actually I have NO right to) in other cultures other than my own.

: Chosenone Reply #38 on: Today at 10:15:05 Sorry dont agree that what I post is unbiblical at all. I have studied these subjects.

So have I for almost fifty years. Yet, that within itself means very little if the scriptures do not support our teachings, and I'm convinced it does mine, or else, I would keep my mouth shut. 

: Billy Notagoat  Mon Jan 28, 2019 - 13:56:03
No thanks , Ill listen to what Jesus commands.

And whether or not you do as well will be what you are judged on

John 12:48

Billy, you are looking more like a goat the little that you post in defense of the OP. You must do better than what you are doing, or admit you just confuse and truly cannot defend what you think you believe and have been taught by other men.

Billy, you have not as of yet tried to explain even one scripture and give its true biblical sense~why not? It is because you cannot? I think so.

....I was the  OP...

: RB  Mon Jan 28, 2019 - 14:14:34
You never answered my question to you. But, that's okay, because I know you cannot~you were wise for not trying. The truth is, be it OT or NT, no woman was ever allowed to have more than one living husband and be free from not living in sin. Men did and could, even though it was NOT God's will from the beginning, yet once sin entered, God allowed Moses to permit it. God allowed it because of the hardness of man's heart. He said it under the inspiration of God~but never practiced it! God allowed him to have them JUST to show us what is good for a man under the sun, and Solomon's gave us what that was~in Chapter twelve of Ecclesiastes. Two women for one man~yes, two men for one woman~NO. Now, that being said, I will add this~it is NOT what makes a great marriage, proven by Genesis 1,2 and many other scriptures. The glorious marriage and the happiest is ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN for LIFE living in obedience to the word of God~the man loving his wife as Christ loved the church, and woman being under her lord as her head as the church is to Christ. Chosenone, you can not prove that it is NOT permitted for IT IS~only it is not the perfect marriage that God ordained. Just because you as a woman can not get past it, does not make it sinful, for it is not, or else men in the scriptures (GODLY MEN) lived in the sin of adultery. Man's laws DO NOT make void the word of God. I have no problem with ONE MAN with ONE woman, I KNOW it's God perfect will for man to be the most satisfied and happiest while living in the flesh. Yet, I will NOT judge a man with more than one wife (actually I have NO right to) in other cultures other than my own.  So have I for almost fifty years. Yet, that within itself means very little if the scriptures do not support our teachings, and I'm convinced it does mine, or else, I would keep my mouth shut.

Its very clear that for us as Christians there is only one man and one wife permitted.
'But because of [the temptation to participate in] sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband' Both singular. 
Keep the marriage bed pure we are told. No mention of beds just bed.
Be faithful to the wife of your youth. Wife not wives. Finally Solomon came to his senses. 

There is no permission at all for us as Christians to have another man or woman. If we do we are committing adultery.

As for what David did, I will ask Him when I get to heaven. 

You are indeed correct Chosenone
That marriage is between one man and one woman. That is true.

The  OP was that you cannot remarry.
I'm not talking about what your "church" has to say on the matter, I'm not saying what your "pastor" has to say on the matter.

What does JESUS have to say on the matter? Who is the one  we will all be answering to.


Luke 16 :18
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

: Billy Notagoat  Mon Jan 28, 2019 - 16:12:12
You are indeed correct Chosenone
That marriage is between one man and one woman. That is true.

The  OP was that you cannot remarry.
I'm not talking about what your "church" has to say on the matter, I'm not saying what your "pastor" has to say on the matter.

What does JESUS have to say on the matter? Who is the one  we will all be answering to.


Luke 16 :18
"Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

I never go by what a church says or what a pastor says, that's why I study thing for myself.

Matthew 5 v 32But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for a matter of sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

1 Corinthians 7 v 15
15 But if the unbelieving partner leaves, let him leave. In such cases the [remaining] brother or sister is not [spiritually or morally] bound.

So yes there are indeed grounds for a divorce and thus remarriage according to God.

: chosenone  Mon Jan 28, 2019 - 15:41:05Its very clear that for us as Christians there is only one man and one wife permitted.

What is clear is that the perfect ideal marriage IS INDEED one wife for one man~that's clearly revealed. Just as clear is that God through Moses permitted a man to have more than one wife, at the same time and that "NOT" to be considered an adulterous relationship. We must take the scriptures as one cohesive whole to establish our understanding of the truth of any doctrine before that doctrine can be esablish as the doctrine of the word of God in truth. Neither you nor Billy Notagoat, have even attempted to do so, but you both purposely and of course conveniently just close your eyes to most of God's testimony concerning this important subject under consideration~each for different reasons~and you both are wrong in doing so~because your doctrine position  judges men who are not sinning as sinners who are not doing the will of God according to your bias~that's called in the scriptures phariseeism, who happened to be Christ's greatest enemy as they went about teaching for God's commandments the doctrines of men that turn men from the truth. See Matthew 5-7; Matthew 15; Mark seven; and John eight; in all places of the scriptures Christ had to correct their adding to the scriptures, or taking away from the scriptures in order to teach their own preconceived perversion of the scriptures that placed them as an enemy of the truth, instead of a defender of the truth. Consider how man times Jesus spent correcting a false understanding and teachings of the word of God:

: JESUS CHRISTMatthew 5:21-47~Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Jesus' teaching had much more substance added to his word than just a single quote here and there~he did much more than either of you two are doing~ he gave senses to his teachings to help his followers to have a very broad understanding of any given doctrine that was under consideration.

: Chosenone Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 15:41:05 There is no permission at all for us as Christians to have another man or woman. If we do we are committing adultery.

Chosenone can a man or woman possess eternal life and will they enjoy it in the world to come if live in a state of adultery? Yes or no? I say NO.

: The apostle PaulGalatians 5:19-21~"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

If a person's overall life is known as one who did the works of the flesh and lived under its powers, they WILL NOT inherit the kingdom of God in its final eternal state~and that's not my personal opinion, but the truth of God's word.

Those are hard words but true~so, are you telling me that Abraham, Jacob, David, Solomon and others who had more than one woman at a time lived under the works of the flesh? If it is sin now, it was a sin then, the works of the flesh are the same in BOTH testaments. Nowhere in the NT is it condemned as sin, and we truly do not know if any person had more than one wife at a times, we assume they did not since it is not mentioned that any did. Overall in the scriptures, it was NOT practiced, yet at the same time was NOT condemned~as a matter of fact listen to Nathan speaking to David concerning him taking ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE....

: The HOLY GHOST2nd Samuel 12:1-13~"And the LORD sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor. The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds: But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter. And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him. And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity. And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon. Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife. Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD."

David did NOT sin when he took Abigail since her husband had died, he sinned greatly by taking ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE and committed adultery with her. God gave David WIVES and would have given him MORE if he wanted them, but he sinned when he took another woman who had a LIVING HUSBAND! That's adultery~ not having more than one wife at a time who has NO LIVING HUSBAND.

I must move on to Ezra ten come there and let us all three talk. RB

Red what I know is that as Christians we are told that each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. That does not mean sharing a spouse. God knows what is best for us, and His desire and intention for marriage is one man and one women. If we now have sex with someone else we are committing adultery. If we marry twice we are breaking the law of our land, which we are told to do, and disobeying God, so for us as believers its NOT an option.

: chosenone  Tue Jan 29, 2019 - 05:05:43Red what I know is that as Christians we are told that each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.

Where specifically do we read that in the Bible?  It does say that elders are to be "husbands of one wife" (1 Tim 3:2ff).  But I do not know of any other specific reference to monogamy per se.   By the way, the requirement of being a husband of one wife is not repeated for deacons (1 Tim 3:8ff).  Interesting.

: 4WD  Tue Jan 29, 2019 - 06:56:23
Where specifically do we read that in the Bible?  It does say that elders are to be "husbands of one wife" (1 Tim 3:2ff).  But I do not know of any other specific reference to monogamy per se.   By the way, the requirement of being a husband of one wife is not repeated for deacons (1 Tim 3:8ff).  Interesting.

Genesis 2 v 24

For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Hebrews 13 v 4

Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Ephesians 5 v 33

However, let each one of you love his wife(singular) as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

1Corenthians 7:2-4 

Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. (All singular again)

While I believe that monogamy is certainly the best option, none of those actually speak against polygamy.

As to the subject of remarriage, it is divorce, except for unfaithfulness, that Jesus was condemning, not polygamy.

RB, 4WD,

I guess the solution to not committing adultery is to just marry the other woman and have both for a wife (or all three, or all four, etc.). This way the man is not sleeping with a woman who is not his wife and it keeps the desire for the other woman from being the cause of any divorce from the first wife. ::sarcasm::

I have to agree with chosenone. Does anybody really want to say that 1 Corinthians 7:2-4 can make sense in a polygamous relationship? The obvious (to me) reading of that and other passages is that marriage is to be between a man and a woman...one of each.

Setting aside any state regulations, does anybody believe God would bless a polygamous relationship today?

I think the point behind Mat 19-9 is for a man to not trade his wife for a better prize, the intent wasn't directed to 21st century people that end their marriages for irreconcilable differences. Not that I agree with those terms for divorce, it is the result of a lost society with little if any values but if your wife/husband walks away because they can no longer stand the sight of your face, you should be free to marry again .

: 4WD  Tue Jan 29, 2019 - 07:36:39
While I believe that monogamy is certainly the best option, none of those actually speak against polygamy.

As to the subject of remarriage, it is divorce, except for unfaithfulness, that Jesus was condemning, not polygamy.

We will have to agree to disagree on that one. If each woman has her 'own' husband then he is hers  If the 2 have become one, then there can not be anyone else in that marriage. 

: soterion  Tue Jan 29, 2019 - 17:58:28
RB, 4WD,

I guess the solution to not committing adultery is to just marry the other woman and have both for a wife (or all three, or all four, etc.). This way the man is not sleeping with a woman who is not his wife and it keeps the desire for the other woman from being the cause of any divorce from the first wife. ::sarcasm::

I have to agree with chosenone. Does anybody really want to say that 1 Corinthians 7:2-4 can make sense in a polygamous relationship? The obvious (to me) reading of that and other passages is that marriage is to be between a man and a woman...one of each.

Setting aside any state regulations, does anybody believe God would bless a polygamous relationship today?

I cant see how He would bless something that isn't permitted for us as Christian.  Apart from the fact that we may be in jail.

: chosenone  Tue Jan 29, 2019 - 05:05:43Red what I know is that as Christians we are told that each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.

Chosenone, you keep saying as Christians, yet you have never honestly address my points taken "from" the scriptures. All you do is that you keep giving your personal preferences ~nothing more. Yes a man or a woman should have their own wife, husband other than living in fornication~but that does not mean that a man like King David could NOT have taken Abigail to be his wife along with the other wives he ALREADY HAD. Whoever has truth on this subject, can reconcile all scriptures to make them have a perfect flow one to the another without having any trouble with each other....your doctrine does! Let me ask you a question~is the church Christ's wife? If yes, then are you the ONLY legitimate wife of Christ? You must think so believing as you do. He actually has two~Jews and Gentiles, are you jealous of the Jews, are they of us? Can we NOT BOTH live together AS ONE?

: Chosenone Reply #49 on: Yesterday at 05:05:43 God knows what is best for us, and His desire and intention for marriage is one man and one women.

It is not so much as what is best for us, but I AGREE that it is what makes a most glorious marriage for us in the flesh~one man with one woman for life....NO ONE is disagreeing with that, you are building a strawman and fighting against him to prove what you best desire~ not so much as what God's word allowed BECAUSE of the fall of man.

: Chosenone Reply #49 on: Yesterday at 05:05:43If we now have sex with someone else we are committing adultery.

Are you ready for this?  A woman, YES, a man NOT if he's has taken her to be his wife in certain cultures around the world, and NEITHER did any of the holy men of God in scriptures IF they had first taken them as their wife to love and support. A woman was NEVER allowed to have more than one husband~and ONLY death could separate her from her husband~Romans 7:1-4 and only death could separate David from his wives INCLUDING MICHAL! That's the very reason why he went and got her and brought her back ONLY to place her in the house of his concubines and never went unto her again since SHE committed adultery against him! David had a few of them, you do know that do you not? (we know he had at least ten)   Only humble and godly women will receive those scriptures and accept them from the God of heaven. The feminist of the twenty-first century hates a God that allowed men more liberty than women in such area's.

: Chosenone Reply #49 on: Yesterday at 05:05:43 If we marry twice we are breaking the law of our land, which we are told to do, and disobeying God, so for us as believers its NOT an option.

Chosenone, debating you is like playing a broken record over and over again.

Chosenone we are discussing what saith the word of God we are not discussing the laws of the land~besides they are different according to where one lives.

Also, again I ask you, did holy men of old live in adultery by having more than one wife at a time? If so, they, according to the scriptures said clearly~NO man who lives under the power of the flesh and serves flesh will enter into the Kingdom of God but shall be cast into outer darkness.

: chosenone  Tue Jan 29, 2019 - 19:56:18I cant see how He would bless something that isn't permitted for us as Christian.  Apart from the fact that we may be in jail.

Name me the five greatest men in the OT~stating with Abraham and see if you are more righteous than them. Well, maybe you should go back to Moses and start with him. He had at least two wives, and one had a pretty good suntan.

I'm very content with my wife and have been since I first met her back in 1966, so I'm NOT here defending my personal preferences but the word of God against people who think they have a better way than what is recorded in the scriptures to make people MORE HOLY. Neither you or myself are worthy to wash Moses' feet or even King David's. 

I don't think Judy is contesting the lifestyles of Patriarchs, it is the message(s) received in the NT, and moving forward that are how we should be living our lives.

: Alan  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 04:33:02I don't think Judy is contesting the lifestyles of Patriarchs, it is the message(s) received in the NT, and moving forward that are how we should be living our lives.

Alan, no she is not, yet the doctrine of marriage is the same from Genesis to Revelation~truth is ONE cohesive whole and we need to consider all of it before we can safely know we understand the truth on the given doctrine under consideration. The NT does not change any truth, even though certain mysteries are revealed to us by the apostles, but marriage is not one of them~UNLESS, its original intent before sin entered into the world, is that God's perfect and most fulfilling marriage IS INDEED between one man and one woman~nevertheless, even if a culture like many nations in the middle east still practice having more than one wife, we cannot say scripturally that they are living in sin, even though we can say that it is IMPOSSIBLE to love more than one woman as you can loving ONLY one woman and devoting your love to her and her only. I think many in our day like some Mormons do it MORE for serving the flesh~yet I'll leave that to God to judge, and judge he will. No man needs more than ONE wife, if we believe in what God did when he created Eve for Adam....he did not bring him two or three and asked him which one would you like to have, God, arranged Adam's marriage for him and brought to him ONLY one wife and she turned out to be more than an handful for him. A husband is to lead about his wife into the true worship of God, and if she's spiritual, then she also can be a great help meet for him to help to make him be the man God desires him to be. Two are indeed better than one.

: Alan  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 04:33:02
I don't think Judy is contesting the lifestyles of Patriarchs, it is the message(s) received in the NT, and moving forward that are how we should be living our lives.

Exactly Alan, you totally got it. Thank you.

God merely permitted a few men of that time(mainly Kings etc) to have more than one wife. However it never turned out well and Solomon himself realised later in life that being faithful to your one wife is the best thing to do. 'Be faithful to the wife of your youth'. Also their many wives and children made all sort of serious problems for them and they suffered greatly because of it. Its always wisest to stick to what God has always intended and desired for us, He knows us best after all.

For us now, as Christians, marriage is to be as God intended from the start with Adam and Eve, one wife and one husband. Let each woman have her OWN husband, and let each man have his OWN wife. Clear as day.

: chosenone  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 07:01:17Exactly Alan, you totally got it. Thank you.

Judy, do not think for one minute that I did not understand perfectly what you were saying for I did, only you were wrong in most of what you said and still are btw. The problem is that you did not want to hear what I was saying from the scriptures~not sure if you can hear what I am saying because you do not want to hear what I am saying.

: Jesus ChristMatthew 13:14,15~"And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

This is very true of either you or me, and I'm convinced I know who. So, on the subject of having more than one wife at a time, I will stop talking with you for there is no progress to be made. Without question a woman can NEVER have two living husbands at the same time either living together or separate UNLESS the first husband has committed fornication, or, is dead, there are NO OTHER exceptions.  On this do you agree?

A man CAN have two living wives at the same time (either together, which we will no longer discuss) or even separated and it is NOT limited to just fornication~and NOt be guilty of adultery do you agree with this?

: RB  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 13:48:36
A man CAN have two living wives at the same time (either together, which we will no longer discuss) or even separated and it is NOT limited to just forication~and NOt be guilty of adultery do you agree with this?

Well, that answers my question to you and 4WD.

4WD, how about you?

: soterion  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 14:57:22Well, that answers my question to you and 4WD.
4WD, how about you?

Well, you are more than welcome to give your understanding...please do so. Just be prepared to defend it. Do not do as Chosenone, who gives her opinions without ever defending her position with scriptures AND addressing her opponents positions which we do with scriptures. Would love to hear from you.

As usual, I'm off until 4:00 am.  Would love to wake up with others comments added to this thread.  Most likely I will wake up to this:

: ChosenoneFor us now, as Christians, marriage is to be as God intended from the start with Adam and Eve, one wife and one husband. Let each woman have her OWN husband, and let each man have his OWN wife. Clear as day.

......RB

: RB  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 16:19:58
Well, you are more than welcome to give your understanding...please do so. Just be prepared to defend it. Do not do as Chosenone, who gives her opinions with ever defending her position with scriptures AND addressing her opponents positions which we do with scriptures. Would love to hear from you.

As usual, I'm off until 4:00 am.  Would love to wake up with others comments added to this thread.  Most likely I will wake up to this:  ......RB

You clearly haven't been reading my posts.  I have posted scriptures many times, especially the one that tells us that each man should have his own wife and each woman should have her own husband. Think I have posted that about 5 times on this thread now as well as several other verses. I don't live by my opinions, I live by His truth. The truth is that for us as Christians there is one wife and one husband, as Gods desire and intention always was.

It seems to me the problem is not divorce necessarily, but with re-marriage and to whom one re-marries depending on whether the new spouse is the innocent party or not in the previous divorce. Could be other problematic scenarios, but that seems to be where the rub is for some especially in my tribe.

Fortunately, I have been married to one woman for almost 46 years. I am fuzzy as to what is the right position on who can remarry who. I tend to avoid judgment on divorce and remarriage but I will admit my views have fluctuated, because in most cases it is not clear who is the "innocent party" in a divorce. A lot of times we "think" we know but I admit one has to be rather nosy to ferret out those answers and I usually don't go there. I assume many divorced Christians are faced with some interesting questions. From my experience, the issue usually comes to a head when a person is selected as an elder or deacon, and then the particular church's stance may vary from group to group.

Good discussion though. I am reading here to learn, not to take sides. I really don't know what I know, if you know what I mean.  ::smile::

: Jaime  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 17:18:19
It seems to me the problem is not divorce necessarily, but with re-marriage and to whom one re-marries depending on whether the new spouse is the innocent party or not in the previous divorce. Could be other problematic scenarios, but that seems to be where the rub is for some especially in my tribe.

Fortunately, I have been married to one woman for almost 46 years. I am fuzzy as to what is the right position on who can remarry who. I tend to avoid judgment on divorce and remarriage but I will admit my views have fluctuated, because in most cases it is not clear who is the "innocent party" in a divorce. A lot of times we "think" we know but I admit one has to be rather nosy to ferret out those answers and I usually don't go there. I assume many divorced Christians are faced with some interesting questions. From my experience, the issue usually comes to a head when a person is selected as an elder or deacon, and then the particular church's stance may vary from group to group.

Good discussion though. I am reading here to learn, not to take sides. I really don't know what I know, if you know what I mean.  ::smile::

Its one of those questions that if you ask 20 Christians what they believe the Bible says about divorce and remarriage you will get 20 different answers.
That's why I did study it a few years ago, and as well as God's word, heard some good Biblical teaching on it as well and read a few excellent Biblically based books. I feel totally at peace about what I believe God says and to that end I am not worried if others think differently.

The only thing that I am still not sure about, is whether the one who caused the ending of the marriage(say by cheating or running off) is permitted to remarry. In our case neither of our former spouses has married again(as far as we know with my ex) after 14 and 19 years of the marriages ending, which seems pretty unusual.
My feeling is that if the guilty spouse is truly repentant, and have apologised to all concerned, then there is forgiveness and God wipes away all sin. The marriage has ended, their former spouse may have remarried, and they are single. However it may be that that a consequence of their actions is that they remain single for the rest of their life.   

Must admit that I would never be interested in a divorced man who had cheated on a previous spouse and caused the ending of that marriage, or who had walked out for no apparent reason. However many divorced people are in that situation through no fault of their own. It didn't bother me at all that my husband was divorced, in fact I would far rather marry a divorced man than a widower because they do tend to idolise their dead wives and you just can't compete with a dead person. Also any man who is still single in middle age is usually single for a reason, as there are so many available women in the church.

The repentance part is fuzzy also. How does one repent or turn from a heart for divorce? Reconcilation?

I question whether being sorry is really repentance. Godly sorrow LEADS to repentance. Godly sorrow is NOT repentance. I've heard the term it is impossible to unscramble eggs. But it seems Godly reconciliation IS possible even after divorce proceedings.

: Jaime  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 18:15:02
The repentance part is fuzzy also. How does one repent or turn from a heart for divorce? Reconcilation?

I question whether being sorry is really repentance. Godly sorrow LEADS to repentance. Godly sorrow is NOT repentance. I've heard the term it is impossible to unscramble eggs. But it seems Godly reconciliation IS possible even after divorce proceedings.

Repenting for what they did that lead to the divorce. Making sure they don't do that ever again.
I agree, sorrow isn't always repentance, but if a murderer can be forgiven when the dead person can never be bought back, then so can adultery, sexual immorality, abuse, abandonment or whatever it was that lead to the marriage ending.
Asking the one you wronged for forgiveness is a good start I would have thought.

Repenting for divorce isn't always appropriate. If you were divorced against your will, or if your spouse caused the marriage covenant to be broken, (both applied in my husbands case), then being divorced was never what you wanted to happen or caused. You have no need to repent of something that was done to you.

: chosenone  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 23:19:27You have no need to repent of something that was done to you.

Judy, that's about one of the few things you said in relation to the subject~You cannot remarry that has some truth to it....but even that saying, could come down to pointing fingers at who's at fault.  I truly believe many men have put their wife in a very vulnerable situation by the way they treat them with emotional and verbal abuse, etc. and also a "few" women~as our brother said:

: Jaime Reply #66 on: Yesterday at 17:18:19 because in most cases it is not clear who is the "innocent party" in a divorce. A lot of times we "think" we know but I admit one has to be rather nosy to ferret out those answers and I usually don't go there

The bottom line are we going to follow the way of the Pharisees in the NT and allow men to put away women for every cause?

Chosenone, let it be very clear a woman was never allow to put away her husband for any cause~she did indeed have a right to leave her husband but never to divorce him. If you think otherwise then show me the scriptures supporting your beliefs, not just your personal opinion.

: The apostle Paul1st Corinthians 7:10,12~"And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife."

A woman is free to depart from her husband for many different reasons which we could name, but if she departs she is not free to seek another husband based on the law of marriage explain in Romans 7:1-4.

: The apostle Paul (NOT my personal opinion)Romans 7:1-3~"Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law (the law of marriage~RB),) how that the law (the law of marriage~RB) hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man."

The law of marriage instituted by God in Genesis 2 was for life with NO EXCEPTIONS for divorce none whatsoever, not even adultery~David prove that by going after Michal and bring ing back to him after she married another man! Jesus made it very plain that he also understood that marriage, as it was ordained of God, was until DEATH the ONLY thing that frees both husband and the woman from the bond of marriage.

: JESUS CHRISTMatthew 19:3-9~"The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."

BEFORE the fall of man there was NO EXCEPTIONS to the law of marriage as far as allowing divorces, or for a man to put away his wife.

Chosenone it seems to me that you have fallen into to the doctrine of the Pharisees that allows a man to put away his wife for just about any clause. You said:

: Chosenone Reply #69 on: Yesterday at 23:19:27then so can adultery, sexual immorality, abuse, abandonment or whatever it was that lead to the marriage ending.

The only exception is given by Moses after the fall of man is the sins of fornication, and there are NO other exceptions.

Again, as I said above a man can easily remarriage (BUT, he would still be under scriptural obligation to fully support his wives and children~we need to get to Ezra ten)  and NOT be living in adultery, but not so is the case with women! The reason why is that Moses ALSO allows men to have more than one living wife at a time without it being a sin of adultery~but we will leave that be since I have already dealt with that subject. Do you find it hard that Paul said........

: Paullet her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband

and NEVER said the same to the man? I understand why he did, but you reject it.

: Chosenone  Reply #65 on: Yesterday at 16:56:32You clearly haven't been reading my posts.

That something you cannot accuse me of~I read them very carefully proven by the way I answer all thread, which you do not~you are pointing the finger at the wrong person~look into the mirror and you will see who is the guilty one. Well, you may read them that I give you credit, but you refuse to hear me carefully and judge my words with the scriptures. You keep saying that you have studied this subject out...well, so have others and maybe in greater details and with more light and without any bias whatsoever since some still have the same spouses as Jaime said that he does and so do I. It is very hard not to try to protect your marriage as being approved of God, than approach the scriptures to accept ONLY what God said about the law of marriage. Let it be clear, NO ONE has a right to judge another man's salvation based on the law of marriage for ONLY God knows the details we do not and cannot know. Now that being said~there is only one exception to marriage and divorce and that be the sins of fornication ONLY, there are no others. If so, prove it with using scriptures. If I'm wrong then I will repent and confess that I'm in the wrong~ I rather have the truth than thinking I'm right when I'm wrong and fighting against God.



 

: RB  Wed Jan 30, 2019 - 16:19:58
Well, you are more than welcome to give your understanding...please do so. Just be prepared to defend it. Do not do as Chosenone, who gives her opinions without ever defending her position with scriptures AND addressing her opponents positions which we do with scriptures. Would love to hear from you.

As usual, I'm off until 4:00 am.  Would love to wake up with others comments added to this thread.  Most likely I will wake up to this:

For us now, as Christians, marriage is to be as God intended from the start with Adam and Eve, one wife and one husband. Let each woman have her OWN husband, and let each man have his OWN wife. Clear as day.

  ......RB

You can believe whatever you want, but 1 Corinthians 7:2 is, to me, just as chosenone said...clear as day. It absolutely excludes multiple partners for either spouse. I would have to believe Paul understands the O.T. scriptures very well and he isn't giving any allowance from the laws and customs of those times to say otherwise in his writings regarding marriage for those in Christ.

Also, you seem to want to apply certain restrictions to the wife that you believe are not applicable to the husband, such as the husband being allowed to divorce his wife, but the wife not being able to divorce her husband. However, in 1 Corinthians 7:10-13, I believe that what is said regarding the allowances and restrictions for the wife are equally applicable to the husband. Where the passage says that if the wife should depart from her husband, she is not to be remarried or else she should be reconciled to her husband, the same is true for the husband, in that verse 11 says, "...and that the husband leave not his wife."

Regarding Romans 7:1-4, the passage is aimed at helping the readers understand that trying to be subject to Christ and subject to the law of Moses at the same time is adultery. I am sure that you understand this. I personally cannot read it and claim that in actual marriage, the husband has allowances that are not applicable to the wife. I believe both parties have equal allowances and restrictions regarding marriage. Paul did not go into such details except what was needed to make his point regarding the reader's relationships to Christ and the law of Moses.

Not all marriages are even God sanctioned. What I mean by that is God doesn't get behind all marriages. Sometimes it was man who joined two together, such as the case with my ex-wife and I.

We were coerced into marrying by Pastors who we thought had our best interests in mind when they kept saying you two should get married, you should be married, God has ordained that you get married, God wants you two to be married. We listened and it was the worst thing we could have done. She said that I don't make her happy. So, she divorced me, even though I didn't want to be divorced. I still tried to make it work, prayed that we would stay together, but she divorced me anyway. After the divorce and during the separation I realized that her and I are toxic together. After we separated I was able to come off of depression medication that I was put on during our marriage. That says something right there.

I now have a wonderful relationship with a girl. I prayed one night that God bring me the woman that He has for me, three weeks later I met my girlfriend. Come to find out that she prayed that same exact night that God bring her the man he has for her. There is no arguing, yelling or screaming. We get along so much better than anyone I have ever been with. She divorced her husband because he couldn't keep it in his pants. He cheated on her with many women and is currently living with the last one he cheated on her with. He told her that he will not stop.

This relationship is indeed God ordained and we are talking marriage.

: Billy Notagoat  Fri Jan 25, 2019 - 11:42:55
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You are not able to remarry
(Unless your spouse has died)


Matt 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery


Matt 19: 8-9
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."


Is this your second marriage ...or more?
You're in an adulterous marriage !

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What if you never consummated the marriage with each?   Can you divorce then?  How can you commit adultery against someone you haven't had sex with?