Since September 12th of 2001 I was placed under a form of modified house arrest by the FBI as a person of great interest. In May of 2001 I published a prophecy given to me by our Lord and God, Christ Jesus, on the most popular web site at that time on the www. Nothing I had ever considered myself, yet following the directive of my Lord and God, and laughing all the time in the personal effort it took to do so, I presented all that I was given. I was no less surprised than anyone else as 911 became reality, just as I had published earlier. Not being able to explain my new found gift of prophecy to the FBI, led to my being placed under this modified form of house arrest. Last February I was informed that I was now free to go and do as I pleased. Yet in pressing 72 years of age, just where am I to go and do as I please?
During these past twenty some odd years, I received many calls requesting my personal insight on various affairs, since the 911 prophecy was spot on. Expecting insight on various world affairs as they came along, so as to be best prepared for the outcome. Since 2015, I am not very well liked for the insight I had given on present world affairs. It goes against what most Christians now hold on to and believe about these last days.
The lesser of two evils is just that, especially when it comes to the standard election cycle. It does not matter whether the evil is seen as Democrat or Republican, nor some form of independent, yet it must be accepted as our present form of government. All claim to be different, yet there is never any real change to the status quo, for one an all are working toward the same goals and adjectives. A New World Order.
As for those who profess to be Christians, they presently fall into the classifications of Zionist, Neo-Cons and Armageddon Now movements, the likes of Israel First. Expecting that God is dependent upon their personal conduct and actions to establish the Kingdom of Heaven upon this whole earth. Once again, A New World Order. Nothing could be further from the truth.
At present, our Lord and God is standing by, just allowing world events to unfold as one an all have plans and designs to advance their own personal New World Order. Very soon, especially for those of the USA, divine intervention will be most needed as all spins out of control.
At present, world affairs match the book King James has removed from our present day bibles. "King James Bible or nothing else!", is the present spirit of strong delusion that is designed to leave one an all most unprepared for the wrath of our Lord and God that is about to blaze forth.
No where else in this present world has Satan a more powerful seat than right here in the USA.
Don't be caught off guard. Please stay alert an attentive to all Christ Jesus had to say about these last days of this present day and age.
Resting and giving all praise, honor and glory to our most eternal word, Christ Jesus, I pray.
Thank you for telling us of you insights and perspectives.
As I am not only personally involved by way of our Lord and God's own personal insight, but have received calls on these affairs, Bible Prophecy and current world affairs, from others who have requested this all be kept most secret. My Lord and God is as stated, on stand by, allowing these affairs to unfold. I am to follow his lead as well, for it is not my own personal words of prophecy, but our own Lord and God's eternal words of bible prophecy being fulfilled.
One an all in Christ Jesus should most certainly draw near, to see, hear and to have their own personal fate explained by the author and finisher of their very own faith. Listen and follow all his personal directives in direct regards to your very own and personal needs. Our Lord and God does not play favorites. Become dependent on the one true Lord and God of All, he will never leave you or forsake you.
The present nation state of Israel is only a marker and a reminder for one and all in Christ Jesus, the true Bride, Body and Church of Christ Jesus. This present nation state does not honor, praise let alone glorify our personal Lord and God, Christ Jesus. These words of promise of and from our Lord and God are for HIS personal Bride, Body and Church, and not some nation state. That is the true Israel our Lord and God died for.
These soon coming events will draw my own life and walk with Christ Jesus to it's present close. My new life in and for Christ Jesus does lay just ahead as well. Most anxious to see all the treasured loved ones who have pass on before me, especially my twin brother and my Lord and God, Christ Jesus.
Most fearful to leave my children and grand children behind, yet given the blessing and assurance they will remain to establish the soon coming Kingdom of Heaven upon this earth.
Watch and pray for your very own personal guidance at this hour of need, in Christ Jesus I pray.
: Rella Sat Jun 26, 2021 - 08:33:33
Thank you for telling us of you insights and perspectives.
Rella, you just might want to go and check out this man before thanking him. I went and briefly read his posts back as far as ten years or so. All I will say is he's strange. He just started back posting after about three years of not posting. Read them for yourself and you can make your own judgment.
Even if God really did reveal prophetic events to you personally, do you really think He is now on stand by, because He has perhaps not given you any additional visions or what have you, lately? Or has He told you personally, that He is now on stand by? Do you think the evil one, the man of sin, and Babylon the Great are now on stand by as well? Or is it just God that is now on stand by? What exactly does it mean for God to be on stand by?
Since September 12th of 2001 I was placed under a form of modified house arrest by the FBI as a person of great interest. In May of 2001 I published a prophecy given to me by our Lord and God, Christ Jesus, on the most popular web site at that time on the www. Nothing I had ever considered myself, yet following the directive of my Lord and God, and laughing all the time in the personal effort it took to do so, I presented all that I was given. I was no less surprised than anyone else as 911 became reality, just as I had published earlier. Not being able to explain my new found gift of prophecy to the FBI, led to my being placed under this modified form of house arrest. Last February I was informed that I was now free to go and do as I pleased. Yet in pressing 72 years of age, just where am I to go and do as I please?
During these past twenty some odd years, I received many calls requesting my personal insight on various affairs, since the 911 prophecy was spot on. Expecting insight on various world affairs as they came along, so as to be best prepared for the outcome. Since 2015, I am not very well liked for the insight I had given on present world affairs. It goes against what most Christians now hold on to and believe about these last days.
The lesser of two evils is just that, especially when it comes to the standard election cycle. It does not matter whether the evil is seen as Democrat or Republican, nor some form of independent, yet it must be accepted as our present form of government. All claim to be different, yet there is never any real change to the status quo, for one an all are working toward the same goals and adjectives. A New World Order.
As for those who profess to be Christians, they presently fall into the classifications of Zionist, Neo-Cons and Armageddon Now movements, the likes of Israel First. Expecting that God is dependent upon their personal conduct and actions to establish the Kingdom of Heaven upon this whole earth. Once again, A New World Order. Nothing could be further from the truth.
At present, our Lord and God is standing by, just allowing world events to unfold as one an all have plans and designs to advance their own personal New World Order. Very soon, especially for those of the USA, divine intervention will be most needed as all spins out of control.
At present, world affairs match the book King James has removed from our present day bibles. "King James Bible or nothing else!", is the present spirit of strong delusion that is designed to leave one an all most unprepared for the wrath of our Lord and God that is about to blaze forth.
No where else in this present world has Satan a more powerful seat than right here in the USA.
Don't be caught off guard. Please stay alert an attentive to all Christ Jesus had to say about these last days of this present day and age.
Resting and giving all praise, honor and glory to our most eternal word, Christ Jesus, I pray.
Since we already have God's word to the Prophets, Jesus and the Apostle's, why would we need additional prophecies from you, and how would we know they are the actual words of God, beyond you telling us they are? Reading through some of your earlier posts, it seems that you traveled widely, I would say extremely widely for someone who claims to have been under FBI house arrest since 911.
Prophecy in the Bible is always centered on the Middle East. Tangentially it is sometimes dealing with other areas, but it is still Middle East-centric and all prophesies, at their core are there to predict what will ultimately happen to Israel, God's people, and Christ's Kingdom. So I am always amazed when people try to focus in on biblical prophecy and attempt to make it's focus pointing to the USA. The USA is not the Holy Land and it is not God's main End Times focus. The USA will fall at some point. It is not an important country, eschatologically, beyond sheltering God's people and it will not play a major role in the End Times because it will be a fallen Hot Mess 3rd world country by that time. It's headed there now. At some point the Fed will print one too many dollar bills and the economy will crumble like one of those cute domino videos on Youtube. The Jews are God's people, whether they are currently faithful to Him or not. And we are to support them as such. I have found that people who toss out the word "Zionist" are also usually people who believe in Replacement Theology. The Church does not replace Israel. The church is nothing more than a temporary annex of Israel. As such, we can already quite clearly know that your "prophecies" do not originate with God.
: Cobalt1959 Tue Jul 06, 2021 - 01:37:57Prophecy in the Bible is always centered on the Middle East.
Though I disagree with the man who made the opening post, you too are just plain wrong in some of your statements. Bible prophecy has to deal with THIS WORLD as a whole, which is MYSTERY BABYLON with its religion and its commerce and entertainments. Every prophet of the OT prophesied concerning Babylon and her utter destruction that is coming upon her. We can consider this if you desire to do so.
: Cobalt1959 on: Today at 01:37:57 Tangentially it is sometimes dealing with other areas, but it is still Middle East-centric and all prophecies, at their core are there to predict what will ultimately happen to Israel, God's people, and Christ's Kingdom.
Sir, that's false teaching. Physical Israel is NOT God's people, and the kingdom of God has not one thing to do with Israel after the flesh,
zero! Other than they who are children of God's promises along with the Gentiles are the two witnesses that make of the church of Jesus Christ which is the TRUE KINGDOM of God visible on this earth, and that shall inherit the world to come.
: Cobalt1959 on: Today at 01:37:57The USA is not the Holy Land and it is not God's main End Times focus.
Actually there's no "holy" land in THIS earth, for it shall all soon perish with fire. Agree with the USA is not the main focus point of bible prophecy, yet without question a big part in its final destruction, along with every other nation, EXCEPT the holy nation of Jesus Christ, his called-out ones.
: THE HOLY GHOSTRevelation 11:18~And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."
: Cobalt1959 on: Today at 01:37:57 The Jews are God's people, whether they are currently faithful to Him or not.
That's a lie! God's people are the children of his promises known by their FAITHFULNESS and their love for Jesus Christ....period! You are giving physical Israel a false hope that shall keep them in their sins safe and secured!
The Church does not replace Israel.
Well now, the church of Jesus Christ is NOT a
afterthought in God's plan of redemption for his people the church of Jesus Christ made up of JEWS and GENTILES In the OT, God dealt mainly with Physical Israel with a few Gentiles here and there~in the NT he is dealing mainly with Gentiles, with a few Jews here and there~to teach us a great bible truth~that SALVATION is entirely of Lord, and not of men!
: PaulRomans 11:30-36~"For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen."
: Cobalt1959 on: Today at 01:37:57The church is nothing more than a temporary annex of Israel.
Blasphemy! The church of Jesus Christ which is HIS BODY, he being the head thereof, is NOT a subordinate part of National Israel, and
never will be! The church has been grafted in
with Israel OT SAINTS and they TWO are ONE holy temple in the Lord for the Spirit of God to dwell in, world without end. This is a mystery hidden in the OT reveal to us by JEWISH APOSTLES of the NT, mainly Paul, Peter, James, and John. (Ephesians 2:11-3:21. etc.)
: Saber Sat Jun 26, 2021 - 09:50:25
As I am not only personally involved by way of our Lord and God's own personal insight, but have received calls on these affairs, Bible Prophecy and current world affairs, from others who have requested this all be kept most secret. My Lord and God is as stated, on stand by, allowing these affairs to unfold. I am to follow his lead as well, for it is not my own personal words of prophecy, but our own Lord and God's eternal words of bible prophecy being fulfilled.
One an all in Christ Jesus should most certainly draw near, to see, hear and to have their own personal fate explained by the author and finisher of their very own faith. Listen and follow all his personal directives in direct regards to your very own and personal needs. Our Lord and God does not play favorites. Become dependent on the one true Lord and God of All, he will never leave you or forsake you.
The present nation state of Israel is only a marker and a reminder for one and all in Christ Jesus, the true Bride, Body and Church of Christ Jesus. This present nation state does not honor, praise let alone glorify our personal Lord and God, Christ Jesus. These words of promise of and from our Lord and God are for HIS personal Bride, Body and Church, and not some nation state. That is the true Israel our Lord and God died for.
These soon coming events will draw my own life and walk with Christ Jesus to it's present close. My new life in and for Christ Jesus does lay just ahead as well. Most anxious to see all the treasured loved ones who have pass on before me, especially my twin brother and my Lord and God, Christ Jesus.
Most fearful to leave my children and grand children behind, yet given the blessing and assurance they will remain to establish the soon coming Kingdom of Heaven upon this earth.
Watch and pray for your very own personal guidance at this hour of need, in Christ Jesus I pray.
Anti-Semitic rhetoric does not suffice to promote Biblical truth. It does, however, further the hatred of Jews inspired in most Christians today.
The Bible NOWHERE says the church will replace Christ or that the LAW has been abolished. The STATE OF ISRAEL is the actual physical homeland of God's people on earth. The church hasn't displaced them in some sort of metaphysical adaptation. Replacement theology is a heresy of the Roman Catholic church - THE anti-christ beast identified in Revelation.
When a man or woman becomes saved THEY BECOME JEWS in God's sight. (Romans 2:29) The church IS NOT the saving grace of God on earth. Nobody will be saved by church membership. Only the blood of Jesus Christ is sufficient to save. Christian tradition won't save anyone - any more than Jewish tradition will save. Jesus saves - not Popes, not the Jewish rabbinate, and certainly not self-aggrandizing protestant churches.
Zionism was begun to establish a homeland for Jews. The defense of the Jewish homeland remains a top priority NOT world conquest as is the expressed desire of the fanatic followers of the church (mostly RCC) or the corporate powers that now direct the policy of the United States government.
Prophecy is given by God to encourage believers, NOT to glorify a man or woman who claims to have special "powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men".
ALL Biblical prophecy centers around the State of Israel, not Washington DC, London, Moscow, Bejing or the home town of some self-proclaimed future teller. Read the Bible, not your tea leaves, chicken bones or Ouija board. The center of God's work is in the hearts of redeemed men and women and in Israel itself. The mystery of redemption is still unfolding.
HATE LANGUAGE directed at Jews in general and the State of Israel in particular does not reveal truth. It only demonstrates vile affections to the whole world. It does not glorify Jesus Christ A JEW.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Choir Loft Wed Jul 07, 2021 - 07:40:47Anti-Semitic rhetoric does not suffice to promote Biblical truth. It does, however, further the hatred of Jews inspired in most Christians today.
Just because one does not lift Physical Israel upon a petal, does not mean we hate them, far from that.
Romans 15:8-27~"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people. And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust. Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another. Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God, That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost. I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God. For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed, Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ. Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation: But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand. For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you. But now having no more place in these parts, and having a great desire these many years to come unto you; Whensoever I take my journey into Spain, I will come to you: for I trust to see you in my journey, and to be brought on my way thitherward by you, if first I be somewhat filled with your company. But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them (SAINTS~RB) in carnal things."
We Gentiles are made PARTAKERS WITH THEM in the promises of God. We LOVE all men, especially so SAINTS be they Jews or Gentiles, yet we owe no Jews who do not show love for the truth anything
just because they are Jews. God is no respecter of a person as far as
nationality goes and neither are his people, we love all that love our Lord Jesus Christ be whoever they may be.
: Choir Loft
on: Yesterday at 07:40:47 The Bible NOWHERE says the church will replace Christ
I have no clue what you mean by this statement, and most likely neither do you. Do you want to try this again?
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 07:40:47or that the LAW has been abolished
Briefly~Yes and no would be the answer to that statement. Yes, it has been as far a the means of eternal life~ no, as far as it STILL is a rule saints walk by as the most perfect standard of righteousness.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 07:40:47The STATE OF ISRAEL is the actual physical homeland of God's people on earth.
A Jewish fable~absolutely no biblical truth attached to that statement.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 07:40:47The church hasn't displaced them in some sort of metaphysical adaptation. Replacement theology is a heresy of the Roman Catholic church - THE anti-christ beast identified in Revelation.
Replaced? No, the CHURCH (called out ones) has always been the people to WHOM God's promises were given to, NOT to physical Israel.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 07:40:47When a man or woman becomes saved THEY BECOME JEWS in God's sight. (Romans 2:29)
They just do not become a Jew but WERE the TRUE JEWS and the TRUE seed of Christ to whom God's promises were given to in Christ before the world began.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 07:40:47ALL Biblical prophecy centers around the State of Israel
Prove it~I'll be watching to see if you can, but I will not hold my breath.
HATE LANGUAGE directed at Jews in general and the State of Israel in particular does not reveal truth.
NO ONE hates a Jew just because he is a Jew~we rejects Jewish fable supported by men void of the Spirit of God. Jesus Christ spoke very hard against Jewish fables in his day~ did this mean that he hated them? LOVE tells the truth, hate keeps the truth from folks! Do I need to prove this also?
: RB Thu Jul 08, 2021 - 08:28:17
Just because one does not lift Physical Israel upon a petal, does not mean we hate them, far from that. We Gentiles are made PARTAKERS WITH THEM in the promises of God. We LOVE all men, especially so SAINTS be they Jews or Gentiles, yet we owe no Jews who do not show love for the truth anything just because they are Jews. God is no respecter of a person as far as nationality goes and neither are his people, we love all that love our Lord Jesus Christ be whoever they may be. I have no clue what you mean by this statement, and most likely neither do you. Do you want to try this again? Briefly~Yes and no would be the answer to that statement. Yes, it has been as far a the means of eternal life~ no, as far as it STILL is a rule saints walk by as the most perfect standard of righteousness. A Jewish fable~absolutely no biblical truth attached to that statement. Replaced? No, the CHURCH (called out ones) has always been the people to WHOM God's promises were given to, NOT to physical Israel. They just do not become a Jew but WERE the TRUE JEWS and the TRUE seed of Christ to whom God's promises were given to in Christ before the world began. Prove it~I'll be watching to see if you can, but I will not hold my breath. NO ONE hates a Jew just because he is a Jew~we rejects Jewish fable supported by men void of the Spirit of God. Jesus Christ spoke very hard against Jewish fables in his day~ did this mean that he hated them? LOVE tells the truth, hate keeps the truth from folks! Do I need to prove this also?
Ignorance of history and the Bible do not do service to any who attempt to interpret Christian ideology. REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY or SUPERSESSIONISM is a reference to the Roman Catholic (and now Protestant) ideology that the church has superseded Israel and the Jewish people. It is entirely false, but protestants who choose to be ignorant of history and who are Biblically illiterate continue to adhere to it. It is entirely false and an extreme example of religious anti-Semitism.
Jesus didn't speak against Jewish fables, whatever that phrase is supposed to mean. He spoke against the Talmud and extreme dependence upon tradition. To this day Christians rely upon the exact same philosophy to save themselves. Jewish tradition won't save anybody, but neither will Christian traditions. Christians continue to worship Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, and the Halloween pumpkin witch as demi-gods - placing offerings of sweet foods and gifts at their feet. They hypocritically denounce Jewish traditional observances even as they promote their own.
What is love of truth? In the mind of Christians no Jew can embrace the truth unless they join a church. This is the foremost of hypocrisy, since no JEW of Jesus' time ever joined a church. Read the Bible. Approximately 33% of Jews in Jesus' time became believers in Him as ha-Mashiach (messiah - the anointed One). Every instance of group worship of these people was set in a synagogue. There were home Bible studies to be sure, but worship was always conducted in a synagogue - until gentile influence dictated it be done in a venue of their own choosing and design.
Your post reveals a deep rooted hatred of Jews. I abhor such language and lies promoted on a web site that identifies with Christ - Himself a JEW. You really need to make a great effort to understand history and what the Bible says, rather than the propagandistic rhetoric you repeat here. A basic knowledge of theology and history wouldn't hurt either.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Choir Loft Sun Jul 11, 2021 - 08:21:00
Ignorance of history and the Bible do not do service to any who attempt to interpret Christian ideology. REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY or SUPERSESSIONISM is a reference to the Roman Catholic (and now Protestant) ideology that the church has superseded Israel and the Jewish people. It is entirely false, but protestants who choose to be ignorant of history and who are Biblically illiterate continue to adhere to it. It is entirely false and an extreme example of religious anti-Semitism.
Jesus didn't speak against Jewish fables, whatever that phrase is supposed to mean. He spoke against the Talmud and extreme dependence upon tradition. To this day Christians rely upon the exact same philosophy to save themselves. Jewish tradition won't save anybody, but neither will Christian traditions. Christians continue to worship Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, and the Halloween pumpkin witch as demi-gods - placing offerings of sweet foods and gifts at their feet. They hypocritically denounce Jewish traditional observances even as they promote their own.
What is love of truth? In the mind of Christians no Jew can embrace the truth unless they join a church. This is the foremost of hypocrisy, since no JEW of Jesus' time ever joined a church. Read the Bible. Approximately 33% of Jews in Jesus' time became believers in Him as ha-Mashiach (messiah - the anointed One). Every instance of group worship of these people was set in a synagogue. There were home Bible studies to be sure, but worship was always conducted in a synagogue - until gentile influence dictated it be done in a venue of their own choosing and design.
Your post reveals a deep rooted hatred of Jews. I abhor such language and lies promoted on a web site that identifies with Christ - Himself a JEW. You really need to make a great effort to understand history and what the Bible says, rather than the propagandistic rhetoric you repeat here. A basic knowledge of theology and history wouldn't hurt either.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Hello Choir Loft. Could you please give me your understanding of the following scriptures in light of your testimony above? Thank you.
Mat 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: 34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 42 Jesus saith unto them,
Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 4 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Who do you understand the kingdom of God was taken away from, and to whom was it given?
Are Jews and Gentiles in Christ still two separate peoples, even though the above quoted scriptures say they have been made one?
Are Jews who still reject Jesus as their Messiah still the Israel of God? If so why? If not why not?
Just wondering what your understanding is regarding these issues, in accordance with your statement above. Please use scripture to verify your positions. Thank you.
: Amo Sun Jul 11, 2021 - 09:50:32
Hello Choir Loft. Could you please give me your understanding of the following scriptures in light of your testimony above? Thank you.
Mat 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: 34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 4 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Who do you understand the kingdom of God was taken away from, and to whom was it given?
Are Jews and Gentiles in Christ still two separate peoples, even though the above quoted scriptures say they have been made one?
Are Jews who still reject Jesus as their Messiah still the Israel of God? If so why? If not why not?
Just wondering what your understanding is regarding these issues, in accordance with your statement above. Please use scripture to verify your positions. Thank you.
First let me clarify that the following requested answer is not MINE, but that of accepted scholars of the Bible. One must do one's own homework in regard to these matters. Apparently you have neglected such studies. Nevertheless I serve to instruct.
Matthew 21:33 parable of the householder: The remarks of Christ quoted here are in direct reference to the Jewish rabbinate, who dictated interpretations of the mitzvah. Their influence, as well as the entire theocratic structure of ancient Israel,
was to be destroyed and replaced by God - directly. What took its place? It wasn't the church - the licensed and approved religion of the Roman Empire.
Shavuot is the Jewish feast of weeks, but is also an observance of God's giving of the LAW to Moses.
Pentacost is recognized as the observance of God's giving of the Holy Spirit to believers in Y'shuah (Jesus) as ha-Mashiach (anointed One).
Is it a coincidence that these two events happened on the SAME [Jewish] CALENDAR DAY? Thus God is saying something important about the interaction of LAW & GRACE. One does not replace the other.
The Kingdom of Heaven was thus removed from the Jewish rabbinate, who mostly follow the Talmud instead of Torah anyway. It was given by God to those who, by means of faith, became true JEWS IN GOD'S EYES. (Romans 2:29)
Ephesians 2 asks the question "who is a Jew?" Paul answered the question in his second chapter to the Romans, but further explanation needs to be given.
Unfortunately most Christians, influenced by RCC dogma, accept Replacement Theology which suggests the church replaced Israel as God's earthly representative. This is entirely false, being predicted by the prophet Daniel as representative of the anti-Christ system. The 'legitimate' licensed church is NOT representative of the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Indeed it is part of the anti-Christ system predicted in Revelation 13. The following example of blaspheme, also predicted by Daniel, was released by the Vatican itself. Read and learn.
"The
Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." - Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.
Ezekiel 37 is a prophecy of the resurrection of the
State of Israel, which was fulfilled in 1948. It is nothing less than a miracle of God, for nothing of the sort ever happened in history before that time. Thus the church is NOT a replacement of Israel in any imaginable way. Church membership doesn't save even though most Christians believe it does. Jewish tradition doesn't save, but neither does Christian tradition (Santa Claus, Easter bunny & Halloween pumpkin witches and demons - all embraced by the American church).
Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. - quote of Jesus' prophecy in Luke 21:24
We see in the above that even the capital city of Jerusalem will be returned to Jewish authority as happened in June 1967.
Thus we see that those who accept Christ become Jews - spiritually grafted into the body of Christ (who is definitely not murdered on Catholic altars every Sunday morning according to Romans 6:10). These people are to be guided in the ways of the LAW by the work of GRACE performed by the Holy Spirit. As a divinely sanctioned nation on earth the State of Israel, now a republic, serves the purpose of representing God's kingdom among the family of nations.
I caution the reader that I have given only a thumbnail sketch as an answer to the lengthy question quoted at the head of this post. It remains for the true scholar of scripture and history to weigh the evidence and arrive at an appropriate conclusion - far separate from RCC Futurism and American secular conjecture.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Choir Loft Thu Jul 15, 2021 - 08:57:08
First let me clarify that the following requested answer is not MINE, but that of accepted scholars of the Bible. One must do one's own homework in regard to these matters. Apparently you have neglected such studies. Nevertheless I serve to instruct.
Matthew 21:33 parable of the householder:
The remarks of Christ quoted here are in direct reference to the Jewish rabbinate, who dictated interpretations of the mitzvah. Their influence, as well as the entire theocratic structure of ancient Israel, was to be destroyed and replaced by God - directly. What took its place? It wasn't the church - the licensed and approved religion of the Roman Empire.
Shavuot is the Jewish feast of weeks, but is also an observance of God's giving of the LAW to Moses.
Pentacost is recognized as the observance of God's giving of the Holy Spirit to believers in Y'shuah (Jesus) as ha-Mashiach (anointed One).
Is it a coincidence that these two events happened on the SAME [Jewish] CALENDAR DAY? Thus God is saying something important about the interaction of LAW & GRACE. One does not replace the other.
The Kingdom of Heaven was thus removed from the Jewish rabbinate, who mostly follow the Talmud instead of Torah anyway. It was given by God to those who, by means of faith, became true JEWS IN GOD'S EYES. (Romans 2:29)
Ephesians 2 asks the question "who is a Jew?" Paul answered the question in his second chapter to the Romans, but further explanation needs to be given.
Unfortunately most Christians, influenced by RCC dogma, accept Replacement Theology which suggests the church replaced Israel as God's earthly representative. This is entirely false, being predicted by the prophet Daniel as representative of the anti-Christ system. The 'legitimate' licensed church is NOT representative of the Kingdom of Heaven on earth. Indeed it is part of the anti-Christ system predicted in Revelation 13. The following example of blaspheme, also predicted by Daniel, was released by the Vatican itself. Read and learn.
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." - Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.
Ezekiel 37 is a prophecy of the resurrection of the State of Israel, which was fulfilled in 1948. It is nothing less than a miracle of God, for nothing of the sort ever happened in history before that time. Thus the church is NOT a replacement of Israel in any imaginable way. Church membership doesn't save even though most Christians believe it does. Jewish tradition doesn't save, but neither does Christian tradition (Santa Claus, Easter bunny & Halloween pumpkin witches and demons - all embraced by the American church).
Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. - quote of Jesus' prophecy in Luke 21:24
We see in the above that even the capital city of Jerusalem will be returned to Jewish authority as happened in June 1967.
Thus we see that those who accept Christ become Jews - spiritually grafted into the body of Christ (who is definitely not murdered on Catholic altars every Sunday morning according to Romans 6:10). These people are to be guided in the ways of the LAW by the work of GRACE performed by the Holy Spirit. As a divinely sanctioned nation on earth the State of Israel, now a republic, serves the purpose of representing God's kingdom among the family of nations.
I caution the reader that I have given only a thumbnail sketch as an answer to the lengthy question quoted at the head of this post. It remains for the true scholar of scripture and history to weigh the evidence and arrive at an appropriate conclusion - far separate from RCC Futurism and American secular conjecture.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Sounds more like the resurrection to me, and the future kingdom of Israel which will be in the presence of God forever. Where is king David in Israel now and forever, as Eze 37 testifies? Where is God's sanctuary in the midst of Israel now and forever, as it testifies. Why are they still sinners as Eze 37 seems to suggest they will no longer be? Why are they still under attack from so many, recently having 2000 misses launched at them, when your prophecy says the all the heathen will know that they are the Lord's sanctified? Of course this is said to be because God's sanctuary is in the midst of them for evermore. It is not with them now, so how can this prophecy be fulfilled as you claim?
: Choir Loft Sun Jul 11, 2021 - 08:21:00Jesus didn't speak against Jewish fables, whatever that phrase is supposed to mean.
Mock on, you are only showing your ignorance of the scriptures.
: Paul a Jew by natureTitus 1:18~"Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth."
I could give you a long list of Jewish fables preached by men just like you as you folks are being used as a puppet by men who have more Judaism in the teaching than Christianity!
: Choir Loft Reply #9 on: Sun Jul 11, 2021 - 08:21:00 To this day Christians rely upon the exact same philosophy to save themselves. Jewish tradition won't save anybody, but neither will Christian traditions. Christians continue to worship Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, and the Halloween pumpkin witch as demi-gods - placing offerings of sweet foods and gifts at their feet. They hypocritically denounce Jewish traditional observances even as they promote their own.
Christians worship God through our Lord Jesus Christ~
religion and religious folks do as you have said here, not Christians! So please do not use that sacred name "Christians" and accused them of something they do not do. Are you someone other than a Christian?
: Choir Loft Reply #9 on: Sun Jul 11, 2021 - 08:21:00What is love of truth? In the mind of Christians, no Jew can embrace the truth unless they join a church.
Sir, you are full of BEANS! You ae making up lies which you cannot support. NO ONE here has said one MUST join a church before they can be
in the truth, be they Jews or Gentiles! If they have, then, they are wrong.
: Choir Loft Reply #9 on: Sun Jul 11, 2021 - 08:21:00Your post reveals a deep rooted hatred of Jews. I abhor such language and lies promoted on a web site that identifies with Christ - Himself a JEW.
No, not even close~for Abraham, and his natural seed who were children of God promises are my brothers and sister in the faith of Jesus Christ,
these like many Gentiles are enemies to Jesus Christ and should be avoided and surely not supported even though they profess to be children of Abraham, yet Not all Jews are children of God's promises not his true children, if so, they would do the works of Abraham and LOVE JESUS CHRIST and his people be they Jews or Gentiles.
The only person(s) who has a deep-rooted hatred in them are those who reject the truth that ONLY those who loved Jesus Christ ARE HIS TRUE SPIRITUAL SEED~the rest are children of the devil be they Jews or Gentiles.
Just because you are not capable of answering a post made to you, do not use ad hominem of making false accusations.
: Choir Loft Thu Jul 15, 2021 - 08:57:08As a divinely sanctioned nation on earth the State of Israel, now a republic, serves the purpose of representing God's kingdom among the family of nations.
Prove from the scriptures that are written by Jews were they taught their nation in the latter days of the times of Christ (beginning at his birth to his second coming at the last day) the natural seed of Abraham would serve as God's kingdom among the nations of the earth~I can save you some time by telling you there is not even a word of promise stating this will be so. God's kingdom on earth since Christ and until his coming again where Jesus Christ is Lord and King~ is a spiritual kingdom comprised of people from ALL NATIONS of the earth. THESE make up the twelve tribes of Israel!
: John a Jew by natureRevelation 7:9~"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;"
The 144,000 represented
a GREAT MULTITUDE which NO MAN could number! They were from ALL NATIONS, KINDRED, PEOPLE, and TONGUES~not just from Abraham's natural seed, who like the rest of the world APART from God's grace...... were his enemies.
You have been deceived by many Jewish fables! This one the biggest of them all that they are his chosen people EVEN WHILE they reject Jesus Christ and his TRUE BRIDE and lover................... people from ALL NATIONS.
: Amo Sun Jul 18, 2021 - 09:26:55
Sounds more like the resurrection to me, and the future kingdom of Israel which will be in the presence of God forever. Where is king David in Israel now and forever, as Eze 37 testifies? Where is God's sanctuary in the midst of Israel now and forever, as it testifies. Why are they still sinners as Eze 37 seems to suggest they will no longer be? Why are they still under attack from so many, recently having 2000 misses launched at them, when your prophecy says the all the heathen will know that they are the Lord's sanctified? Of course this is said to be because God's sanctuary is in the midst of them for evermore. It is not with them now, so how can this prophecy be fulfilled as you claim?
Let everyone understand that you mean only to argue, not to provide understanding.
Ezekiel's chapter 37 prophecy was fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became a sovereign nation. Jerusalem was liberated in 1968 by the IDF in fulfillment of Jesus prophecy of Luke 21:24.
It is no less the power of God which brought Israel into existence after two thousand years and which protects and preserves her daily.
If all you can do is argue against fact and reality, then I suggest you prepare yourself for a life of bitter disappointment. You are not in agreement with either the Bible or reality. I suggest you do a bit of study of God's Word.
Hatred of Jews doesn't do you service.
But it does please the plastic church of today. Its time to choose your allegiance - God or the devil.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Choir Loft Fri Jul 23, 2021 - 10:39:24
Let everyone understand that you mean only to argue, not to provide understanding.
Ezekiel's chapter 37 prophecy was fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became a sovereign nation. Jerusalem was liberated in 1968 by the IDF in fulfillment of Jesus prophecy of Luke 21:24.
It is no less the power of God which brought Israel into existence after two thousand years and which protects and preserves her daily.
If all you can do is argue against fact and reality, then I suggest you prepare yourself for a life of bitter disappointment. You are not in agreement with either the Bible or reality. I suggest you do a bit of study of God's Word.
Hatred of Jews doesn't do you service.
But it does please the plastic church of today. Its time to choose your allegiance - God or the devil.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Let everyone understand that you answered none of my questions. Let everyone understand that you have no idea what my intentions are. I do not hate anyone because you have said so. My Grandfather on my mother's side was Jewish, I therefore am part Jewish, I have of course Jewish family, and have had many Jewish friends throughout my life. Again, you do not know me or what my intentions are.
Just declaring everyone who disagrees with you to be of the devil, or biblically ignorant does not, and will not makes such so. If you are not able to answer the questions I have asked, or are not able to explain your views to others without personally attacking them if they disagree with you, then maybe you are the one who needs to apply yourself to a little more bible study.
One more question for you. The prophecies of Ezekiel were written during and shortly after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Babylonians, and before Israel, Jerusalem, and the sanctuary were rebuilt the second time, when many Jews of that time as well gathered again in Israel. Why then do you not apply his prophecy of chapter 37 to that time, when the temple was actually built again and in the midst of Israel again? Instead you apply them to 1948, even though the temple is still not rebuilt and in the midst of Israel to date. What makes 1948 a better fulfillment of Eze 37, than the previous rebuilding of Jerusalem and the temple under the Persians? Some thoughtful attempts at answers would be more appreciated than just another personal attack. Thank you.
'The USA will fall at some point. It is not an important country, eschatologically, beyond sheltering God's people and it will not play a major role in the End Times because it will be a fallen Hot Mess 3rd world country by that time. It's headed there now.'
Dear Cobalt, how do you know that? Didn't you just make a prophesy? Perhaps it is just speculation,or guessing? At the very minimum how can you say with confidence that the most powerful and financially wealthiest, most Christian nation that ever existed on this earth is not important? It was in large part because of us that Israel came back into existence. Isn't that "eschatologically important"?
But none of us know for sure where the United Staes will be if we will be anywhere at all by the time Jesus returns. Isn't it possible that the USA is the little horn that grew out of the ten horns? After all, Great Britian was part of the Roman empire and we grew out of GB. Now I'm speculating but the truth is, no one seems to know for sure.
'The USA will fall at some point. It is not an important country, eschatologically, beyond sheltering God's people and it will not play a major role in the End Times because it will be a fallen Hot Mess 3rd world country by that time. It's headed there now.'
Dear Cobalt, how do you know that? Didn't you just make a prophesy? Perhaps it is just speculation,or guessing? At the very minimum how can you say with confidence that the most powerful and financially wealthiest, most Christian nation that ever existed on this earth is not important? It was in large part because of us that Israel came back into existence. Isn't that "eschatologically important"?
But none of us know for sure where the United Staes will be if we will be anywhere at all by the time Jesus returns. Isn't it possible that the USA is the little horn that grew out of the ten horns? After all, Great Britian was part of the Roman empire and we grew out of GB. Now I'm speculating but the truth is, no one seems to know for sure.
God has not left His own in ignorance. The truth is revealed, but surrounded by the many falsehoods of the enemy. For now denial and falsehoods abound, but when the Lord returns those who had the truth will be revealed, and there will be no denying it. Though until then, the majority will accept, promote, and bow to the devil, the beast, and the false prophet.
The USA does not appear in Biblical prophecy. Full stop. 10-4, over and out.
-Jarrod
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh Wed Aug 11, 2021 - 22:41:13
The USA does not appear in Biblical prophecy. Full stop. 10-4, over and out.
-Jarrod
Try as we may, God alone will declare the full stop of all interpretations when He appears to settle all disputes. At that time you and I and all the rest will either be condemned or rewarded for the words we have uttered or written which were truth or lies.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
: Amo Thu Aug 12, 2021 - 07:09:17
Try as we may, God alone will declare the full stop of all interpretations when He appears to settle all disputes. At that time you and I and all the rest will either be condemned or rewarded for the words we have uttered or written which were truth or lies.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
That's rich, coming from the most likely person here to churn out a long-form essay on the least important topics.
: Amo Fri Jul 23, 2021 - 20:48:26
Let everyone understand that you answered none of my questions. Let everyone understand that you have no idea what my intentions are. I do not hate anyone because you have said so. My Grandfather on my mother's side was Jewish, I therefore am part Jewish, I have of course Jewish family, and have had many Jewish friends throughout my life. Again, you do not know me or what my intentions are.
Just declaring everyone who disagrees with you to be of the devil, or biblically ignorant does not, and will not makes such so. If you are not able to answer the questions I have asked, or are not able to explain your views to others without personally attacking them if they disagree with you, then maybe you are the one who needs to apply yourself to a little more bible study.
One more question for you. The prophecies of Ezekiel were written during and shortly after the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Babylonians, and before Israel, Jerusalem, and the sanctuary were rebuilt the second time, when many Jews of that time as well gathered again in Israel. Why then do you not apply his prophecy of chapter 37 to that time, when the temple was actually built again and in the midst of Israel again? Instead you apply them to 1948, even though the temple is still not rebuilt and in the midst of Israel to date. What makes 1948 a better fulfillment of Eze 37, than the previous rebuilding of Jerusalem and the temple under the Persians? Some thoughtful attempts at answers would be more appreciated than just another personal attack. Thank you.
You DO NOT want answers. You only want to argue endlessly and to assert your opinion (which I doubt you yourself are sure of...).
God isn't interested in your opinion - or mine either for that matter. It is the duty of those who seek His will to find it and follow it. This can be accomplished by an attitude of servitude and humility and study.
Most self-justified Christians don't even know how to study - falsely assuming as they do that they will be granted knowledge by some sort of spiritual osmosis.
DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.You know little. You present many questions. Find your own answers or stop asking.
The only guideline I can offer at this point is for you to abandon the traditional Christian anti-Semitic attitudes inherent in today's plastic church. Jews are not your enemy.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh Wed Aug 11, 2021 - 22:41:13
The USA does not appear in Biblical prophecy. Full stop. 10-4, over and out.
-Jarrod
Actually a number of scholars have suggested the Earth Beast of Revelation is representative of the United States.
Revelation 13:11-15 speaks of the Earth Beast. The Earth Beast supports the Sea Beast, which appears earlier in the chapter. Without going into lengthy explanations, the Sea Beast is NOT a man. Using the book of Daniel as a template for understanding Biblical references to human-animal hybrids we can see that the Sea Beast isn't a man. It's the Roman Catholic church. Horns that come out of the head of a human-animal hybrid represent a leader or succession of leaders. Thus the several horns on the head of the Sea Beast represent leadership of a succession of Popes.
It is a rather unique feature of American politics that ONLY TWO horns determine policy.
Only the United States has two political parties. Other nations have but one or have several (such as Israel, Britain, France, etc.) Revelation 13 also says the Earth Beast will be able to call down fire from the skies upon people. What better interpretation can we find in history other than the US dropping atomic bombs on Japan or napalm in Vietnam or targeted smart bombs in our many middle east wars? In fact, President Truman used THOSE VERY WORDS (fire from the sky) when he warned Japan to surrender prior to unleashing the first atomic bomb upon Hiroshima. How clear does it have to get?
There's a lot more to include in this, but lack of space prevents a detailed study or explanation. I recommend the reader take a hard look at Biblical prophecy. Such a hard look begins with rejecting the typical interpretation of End Times which was, in fact, promoted by the RCC jesuit priest Francisco Ribera in the doctrine of FUTURISM. Look it up. Once you've rejected all the dead wood of popular End Times dogma from your list of prophecies you'll being to discover new and really creepy things...
Such as the ACTUAL HISTORICALLY REAL event of the death of one Sea Beast horn (Pope - Rev 13:3 circa 1799) and its replacement by the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini in 1929 (Lateran Treaty).
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Captain Shays Wed Aug 11, 2021 - 13:18:17
'The USA will fall at some point. It is not an important country, eschatologically, beyond sheltering God's people and it will not play a major role in the End Times because it will be a fallen Hot Mess 3rd world country by that time. It's headed there now.'
Dear Cobalt, how do you know that? Didn't you just make a prophesy? Perhaps it is just speculation,or guessing? At the very minimum how can you say with confidence that the most powerful and financially wealthiest, most Christian nation that ever existed on this earth is not important? It was in large part because of us that Israel came back into existence. Isn't that "eschatologically important"?
But none of us know for sure where the United Staes will be if we will be anywhere at all by the time Jesus returns. Isn't it possible that the USA is the little horn that grew out of the ten horns? After all, Great Britian was part of the Roman empire and we grew out of GB. Now I'm speculating but the truth is, no one seems to know for sure.
Perverse Biblical interpretation notwithstanding, the United States is already circling the drain of history.
As I write America is engaged in a full retreat from a lengthy war in Afghanistan. The similarities between the political aberration of Vietnam and Afghanistan are too numerous to be listed here. We lost the war there, as well as all the other middle east nations, because WE AMERICANS have turned our back upon God.
The Arab news service Al Jazeera released a statement ten years ago to the effect that 'America can not and will not win its wars in the middle east until and unless the nation fully devotes itself to Jesus Christ.' That's a rather odd statement coming from a Muslim news source don't you think? Our enemies know how and why we lose, but we are still lying to ourselves about being the biggest and best bully on the block.
Since America has turned its back upon God, it is reaping a harvest of death, defeat and financial mismanagement........AGAIN.
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to relive it. - George Santayana
When God judged ancient Israel He gave them what they wanted - and REMOVED His protection from them. This is EXACTLY what is happening in America today. God is giving us what we want - hedonism, pride, and reliance upon a military that can't win a war against a bunch of camel jockies. Divine protection has been removed from America and we will suffer the consequences of our own stupidity and stubborn pride.
IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.America is not the great nation we like to think we are. We have become a dying empire of fools and humanistic religious types who employ the devices of plastic religion in our churches (1 Samual 4:21).
It is an axiom in our nation's capital that if a man wants to go crazy he should move to Washington DC where it will not be noticed.
There will be no salvation for America. Every expert worth his salt has declared America has crossed a line from which it cannot return. We have crossed the Rubicon figuratively and literally. America will never be great again, BUT those who humbly and sincerely repent of their SINs and WICKEDNESS before God will find His forgiveness and guidance and hope in their lives. They shall live as those in the eye of a hurricane when the winds and storms of history sweep away what remains of the American global empire. Indeed, it is already in an advanced state of collapse.
God shall wipe America the way a man wipes a plate - wiping it and turning it upside down. (2 Kings 21:13) Watch and learn, pilgrim.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh Thu Aug 12, 2021 - 12:16:11
That's rich, coming from the most likely person here to churn out a long-form essay on the least important topics.
Here we are, enlighten us, tell us what is really important. Or why the topics I address are in fact not important. Which would mean of course that the threads themselves I am addressing are not important. Is this the case? Are most of the threads on these boards unimportant?
: Choir Loft Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 08:28:09
You DO NOT want answers. You only want to argue endlessly and to assert your opinion (which I doubt you yourself are sure of...).
God isn't interested in your opinion - or mine either for that matter. It is the duty of those who seek His will to find it and follow it. This can be accomplished by an attitude of servitude and humility and study.
Most self-justified Christians don't even know how to study - falsely assuming as they do that they will be granted knowledge by some sort of spiritual osmosis.
DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.
You know little. You present many questions. Find your own answers or stop asking.
The only guideline I can offer at this point is for you to abandon the traditional Christian anti-Semitic attitudes inherent in today's plastic church. Jews are not your enemy.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
OK. Here is some of what I have found. One of those lengthy posts of mine Wycliffes_Shillelagh really appreciates.
The Church is now the Israel of God. Thus has she been given the attributes of the same.
Exod 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then
ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
1 Pet 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones,
are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1 Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation,
a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Rev 1:6 And hath made us
kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God
kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Israel was said to be a peculiar people of God, a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. The Church of Christ is given all the same attributes.
Hosea 1:9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. 10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only,
but also of the Gentiles? 25 As he saith also in Osee,
I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 26
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Though many of Israel would not be God's people, yet the number of the children of Israel would be as the sand of the sea. This would be accomplished when those who were not called God's people, should be called the sons of the living God. The Church is composed of those who were not the people of God, who became the people of God. They are the children of promise that are counted for the seed, which are the children of God. They are no longer strangers, but fellow citizens with the saints and of the very household of God.
Deut 7:6
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.1 Pet 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy,
so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.As Israel was called to be a holy people unto God, so the Church is called to be a holy people unto God.
Deut 4:20 But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt,
to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling,
and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,As the Jews were a people of inheritance to God, so the Church are a people of inheritance to God.
Jer 31:10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say,
He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.As the Lord was the shepherd of Israel, so the Lord is the shepherd of the Church.
Isa 45:17
But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author
of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive
the promise of eternal inheritance.As Israel was saved with everlasting salvation, so the Church is saved with eternal salvation.
Lev 26:11
And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. 12 And I will walk among you,
and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.Exod 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary;
that I may dwell among them.Exod 29:44 And I will sanctify the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar: I will sanctify also both Aaron and his sons, to minister to me in the priest's office. 45
And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will be their God. 46 And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, that brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, that I may dwell among them: I am the LORD their God.
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them,
Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21
But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh,
and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
2 Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them;
and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
As God placed His temple in the midst of Israel, that He might dwell among them, so Christ became the living temple and dwelt among us. The Church is connected to God through His Son Jesus Christ in a way far superior to that capable of being so during the old covenant dispensation. God became one of us, and therefore the living temple of God in human flesh, of which the Church is the body. Now all who are in Christ are truly literal flesh and blood children of God.
Isa 54: 5
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD;
for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
Hosea 2:19
And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion
to a comely and delicate woman.Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery:
but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy:
for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren,
ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.As God was an husband to the nation of Israel, so now is the Church married to God in and through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Again it is in a far superior way that the Church is betrothed to God in Christ. As a man and a woman become one flesh in marriage, so humanity and God became one flesh in and through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who literally became one with our human flesh in order to live the life we could not live, and die the death we could not die.
Thus all who are in Christ are the literal flesh and blood children of God. These things the old covenant nation of Israel only pointed to, have been accomplished upon us, the new covenant Israel of God. PRAISE GOD'S PURE, RIGHTEOUS, HOLY, UNDEFILED, AND AWESOME NAME IN AND THROUGH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST FOR OUR UNDESERVED SALVATION AND EXALTATION AS THE LITERAL SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD.
Now all who are in Christ are the Israel of God, whether Jew or Gentile. Now all those who reject the same are none of His, and have no part of the kingdom of God or the gospel of the same, whether Jew or Gentile.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
: Amo Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 11:43:28
OK. Here is some of what I have found. One of those lengthy posts of mine Wycliffes_Shillelagh really appreciates.
The Church is now the Israel of God. Thus has she been given the attributes of the same.
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The quote above refers to the doctrine called REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY or SUPERSESSIONISM.
Major protestant theologians have rejected the idea mostly because it is anti-Semitic in nature.
The doctrine originated with the Roman Catholic Church, although the name of the ideology has been modified over time.
The basic idea is that the Bible ought to be ripped in half and the Old Testament thrown out. Nothing could be more demonic or further from contextual understanding of God's Word.
God never abandoned His people Israel - either as individual Jews, Jewish communities or the modern State of Israel. Jew haters can deny the political and spiritual reality of the modern State of Israel but they cannot shut their eyes to its existence in the world.
Romans 2:29 is a brief statement by St. Paul saying a Jewish or gentile believe IS A JEW in the eyes of God. In other words, church membership isn't worth the paper its written on. Church membership has no currency in the Kingdom of Heaven. Revelation 18:4 even issues a warning that believers in Christ should abandon the church !!!
New Jerusalem mentioned in the Bible is a Jewish city. It isn't new Rome or new Washington or new-any-gentile-town.
Jesus IS a Jew and those who are joined to Him are members of His JEWISH body. The idea that the church inherited any part of Christ's body is absurd for it is the church that has murdered and oppressed more Jews and saints than all other worldly religions combined.
God has an issue with the church. Look around and see. It is Ichabod (1 Samuel 4:21)
The Holy Spirit (Ruach Ha-Kodesh) has departed from major Christian denominations in America because they've rejected it. Most of them have declared the Holy Bible is NOT God's inspired word and that its just another work of human literature. Is this consistent with behavior of an organization that's supposed to represent Christ on earth - or is spiritual Israel.
The church cannot be spiritual Israel when it has actively persecuted Jews and rejected God's word.
think about it
that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
: Choir Loft Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 10:34:20
The quote above refers to the doctrine called REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY or SUPERSESSIONISM.
Major protestant theologians have rejected the idea mostly because it is anti-Semitic in nature.
The doctrine originated with the Roman Catholic Church, although the name of the ideology has been modified over time.
The basic idea is that the Bible ought to be ripped in half and the Old Testament thrown out. Nothing could be more demonic or further from contextual understanding of God's Word.
God never abandoned His people Israel - either as individual Jews, Jewish communities or the modern State of Israel. Jew haters can deny the political and spiritual reality of the modern State of Israel but they cannot shut their eyes to its existence in the world.
Romans 2:29 is a brief statement by St. Paul saying a Jewish or gentile believe IS A JEW in the eyes of God. In other words, church membership isn't worth the paper its written on. Church membership has no currency in the Kingdom of Heaven. Revelation 18:4 even issues a warning that believers in Christ should abandon the church !!!
New Jerusalem mentioned in the Bible is a Jewish city. It isn't new Rome or new Washington or new-any-gentile-town.
Jesus IS a Jew and those who are joined to Him are members of His JEWISH body. The idea that the church inherited any part of Christ's body is absurd for it is the church that has murdered and oppressed more Jews and saints than all other worldly religions combined.
God has an issue with the church. Look around and see. It is Ichabod (1 Samuel 4:21)
The Holy Spirit (Ruach Ha-Kodesh) has departed from major Christian denominations in America because they've rejected it. Most of them have declared the Holy Bible is NOT God's inspired word and that its just another work of human literature. Is this consistent with behavior of an organization that's supposed to represent Christ on earth - or is spiritual Israel.
The church cannot be spiritual Israel when it has actively persecuted Jews and rejected God's word.
think about it
that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
That is a big fat negative. Your position and that of the Catholic Church, are opposite extremes of real replacement theology. You both separate that which our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ came to make one.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Both of your teachings separate that which Christ came to make one. You are the replacement theologists. The remnant of Israel accepted their Messiah Jesus Christ, formed the New covenant church and Israel of God, composed of all truly in Christ Jesus our Lord. All of whom whether Jew or Gentile, are children of Abraham, according to his faith.
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.Rom 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
You declare those circumcised merely of the flesh to be the Israel of God, because they have formed a Jewish state again, in denial of the above truths of scripture. Exalting many of those who to this very day reject Jesus Christ as their Messiah, as the true Israel of God. This is pure unadulterated replacement theology, in direct contradiction to NT teaching and the few verse I have shared concerning the same. Do you not? If not please expound upon how many denying Christ can compose the true Israel of God? Thank you.
: Choir Loft Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 08:38:53
Actually a number of scholars have suggested the Earth Beast of Revelation is representative of the United States.
You should hit "unsubscribe" on all of them.
: Amo Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 11:33:11
Here we are, enlighten us, tell us what is really important.
The simple things that do not require argument. Don't murder. No adultery. Etc.
: Amo Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 11:33:11
Or why the topics I address are in fact not important.
They mostly fall into the category of "doubtful disputations."
: Amo Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 11:33:11
Which would mean of course that the threads themselves I am addressing are not important. Is this the case?
Yes.
: Amo Fri Aug 13, 2021 - 11:33:11
Are most of the threads on these boards unimportant?
Yes.
-Jarrod
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 20:20:45
The simple things that do not require argument. Don't murder. No adultery. Etc.
They mostly fall into the category of "doubtful disputations."
Yes.
Yes.
-Jarrod
I think I understand. What scriptures Wycliffes -Shillelagh thinks are important are important, all else is doubtful disputation.
What about -
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you,
and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Read your bible, the words of the prophets, Jesus, and His apostles. And you will be reading their non stop testimony of the truth and refutations of error. Which they pursued to the point of literal death at the hands of those who did not want to hear the truth, or decidedly fought against it. Are we discussing what to eat, or holidays here? Do you deny the following words?
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
2Pe 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Just what are you calling doubtful disputations, and unimportant scripture or prophecy?
: Choir Loft Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 10:34:20The quote above refers to the doctrine called REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY or SUPERSESSIONISM.
Who CARES what people of religion called them? God's children certainly do not, we call it
the truth. : THE HOLY GHOSTActs 24:5~"For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:"
A pestilence fellow.....a mover of sedition...belonging to a sect called Nazarenes, etc.
Guess who was behind this name labeling?
Well, well, would you not know......the Jews! Who were the most obstinate folks toward the truth in Paul's, days! Now, it is those folks who are trying to
REPLACE THE CHURCH with natural unbelieving Israel~trying to say we are stepchildren and they (Jews) regardless if they show faith in Jesus Christ or not~ are the rightful heirs! When the truth is: both are
ONE people making up the spiritual temple of God known throughout the world BY THEIR FAITH and without faith, we DO NOT recognize them as God's children be they Gentiles or Jews but children of the Devil!
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 10:34:20 Major protestant theologians have rejected the idea mostly because it is anti-Semitic in nature.
Who cares what MOST follow~God's children do not. Saying a doctrine is anti-Semitic just because we refuse to say amen to others false doctrine, does not carry any weight, nor does it proves a doctrine right or wrong, the scriptures does both~we will go with God's testimony concerning WHO are the true children of God and to WHOM are the
sure mercies of David directed toward.
: Paul a JEW BY NATUREActs 13:26-39~"Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead: And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David. Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption: But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption. Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses."
Major protestant theologians are preaching lies concerning natural Israel promising them the sure mercies of David when THAT PROMISE
has been fulfilled in Christ~and ALL that fear God and believe are justified from all of their sins~without fear and faith in God NO MAN has a right to think they are children of God and we should not give anyone a false hope of causing them to believe just because they may be a Jews, THEY are God's chosen people~even in the OT that was not so!
: Paul a JEW BY NATURERomans 9:6-8~"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Be they Jews or Gentiles.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 10:34:20 The doctrine originated with the Roman Catholic Church
No, you are wrong~let me show you where it truly originated from:
: Paul a JEW BY NATUREActs 22:17-23~"And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance; And saw him saying unto me, Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me. And I said, Lord, they know that I imprisoned and beat in every synagogue them that believed on thee: And when the blood of thy martyr Stephen was shed, I also was standing by, and consenting unto his death, and kept the raiment of them that slew him. And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles. And they gave him audience unto this word, and then lifted up their voices, and said, Away with such a fellow from the earth: for it is not fit that he should live. And as they cried out, and cast off their clothes, and threw dust into the air,"
Need to say I more? God has spoken let every man shut his mouth and listen!
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 10:34:20The basic idea is that the Bible ought to be ripped in half and the Old Testament thrown out. Nothing could be more demonic or further from contextual understanding of God's Word.
What is more demonic is not listening to NT Apostles who were BORN AGAIN JEWS interpreting their OT scriptures for us IN the NT~without the NT Jesus Christ would have been an imposter and his followers a true false sect against the Jews.
"contextual understanding of God's Word"~comes by using ALL SCRIPTURES, and in this doctrine under consideration~ mainly the NT as it interprets the OT for us since most of the OT was kept HIDDEN until the death of Jesus Christ and the time of TRUE BIBLICAL REFORMATION took place.
Read Ephesians 2:11-3:11; Hebrews 9:10, etc., for a starter. I could keep going but time and space said to stop for now. You need to learn your bible before speaking and stop parroting others' doctrine of lies concerning unbelieving Jews who reject Jesus Christ.
Isaiah 55:3~ Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
The good life~a free feast of fat things~ is obtained by going to God to hear His word. Not by following major protestant theologians.
We must incline our ear, which is to hearken diligently or to have focused hearing. We must shut down our thoughts, and humbly turn our hearing to His revelation. We must leave our thoughts and ways and those other voices and go to Him to hear His true offer and ways.
Isaiah foretold a gospel feast of fat things of refined wine and marrow (Isaiah 25:6-8).
If a person will humble themselves, seek God, and hear His word, He will share secrets. God will show His covenant promises to those that properly pursue Him (Psalms 25:14).
The satisfying life of walking with God depends on hearing and believing the gospel. But we must repent and seek Him with all our heart and no less (Jeremiah 29:10-14). We must train ourselves to listen, learn, and change far more than most Christians.
The everlasting covenant and sure mercies of David are Jesus Christ~the seed of David. Our Jesus, the true shepherd of the sheep, came to bring abundant life (John 10:10).
God does not make this covenant due to faith, but reveals it to faith (Romans 1:15-16). He had made it with Himself in eternity, for even Jacob knew about it (Genesis 49:10).
He made it with David, and it was known well 300 years before Isaiah (Psalms 89:1-4).
He makes it with us by the gospel when we claim it and are baptized into this David.
The sure mercies of David are God's promise to David that his Son would reign forever. There is one thing you can count on~God's promise to David for his Son as king. We have a King unlike any other~called a leader and commander.
God's promised mercies to David (Christ) are so sure He raised Him (Acts 13:34). There is one king and leader that Israel and God loved – and it was David of Bethlehem. His spirit from the start was exceptional; his name was much set by (Ist Samuel 18:1-30). Everyone loved David for his wonderful combination of character traits and conduct.
Psalm 89:1 describes the sure mercies of David in a chorus that needs explanation. These are not general mercies and faithfulness we observe and give thanks for daily. This is God's mercy in Christ~that is so clearly revealed in the NT of Jesus Christ. This mercy is equally given to Jews and Gentiles WITHIN THIS dispensation, or TIMES OF CHRIST which will end at his second coming when it will be on VISIBLE DISPLAY FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE. When Christ returns and the resurrection (the rapture and resurrection is ONE AND THE SAME EVENT) of BOTH the righteous and the wicked then TIME shall be NO MORE.
One more thought~ALL the promise to David are to be understood of Christ~per the Jewish apostles of the NT....all the promises to Israel are to be understood of the TRUE ISRAEL of God~the children of God's promises....per Jewish apostles of the NT
There are NO promises to the natural seed of Abraham, who do not show any love for the truth. God's promises are not given to the blood that flows through a person's veins. This is so clear, we should not even have to address this lie from false prophets who go about promising Jews good things to come just before they happen to be of Abraham's natural seed. Why promise Abraham's natural seed hope when he had several sons after Isaac? Are the promises to them as well? The promises are to the seed of Abraham which IS CHRIST and those who are part of his elect body, the children of God's promises. Selah
: Amo Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 11:38:28
That is a big fat negative. Your position and that of the Catholic Church, are opposite extremes of real replacement theology. You both separate that which our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ came to make one.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Both of your teachings separate that which Christ came to make one. You are the replacement theologists. The remnant of Israel accepted their Messiah Jesus Christ, formed the New covenant church and Israel of God, composed of all truly in Christ Jesus our Lord. All of whom whether Jew or Gentile, are children of Abraham, according to his faith.
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
You declare those circumcised merely of the flesh to be the Israel of God, because they have formed a Jewish state again, in denial of the above truths of scripture. Exalting many of those who to this very day reject Jesus Christ as their Messiah, as the true Israel of God. This is pure unadulterated replacement theology, in direct contradiction to NT teaching and the few verse I have shared concerning the same. Do you not? If not please expound upon how many denying Christ can compose the true Israel of God? Thank you.
Scripture references taken out of context and which are used in an attempt to displace or dilute God's truth are meaningless. If such scripture references were bullets, you'd be shooting blanks. They mean nothing because Replacement Theology denies God and hates His people Israel.
You ask how many who deny Christ can compose true Israel - read Jeremiah 50:20. Not all Jews reject Christ. There is a believing remnant who are forgiven. Gentiles are added to Jews/Israel (Romans 11:23) not the other way around (because gentiles, NOT GOD, reject Jews). Who is the true vine? Is it Christ or the pope? If the pope then where is it written that RCC saves?
Arguments supporting the veracity of Replacement Theology are anti-Semitic. While the entire nation of America claims to turn its back on hate language, the church embraces it. Jews are excluded from all its consideration and dogma.
The RCC has been traditionally opposed to Jews, the Jewish state and anything that smells of Jew including but not limited to Mosaic LAW. The post-protestant church, which now marches in lock step with Vatican ideology, now embraces most of these same doctrines. No religion has been guilty of murdering innocent Jews and the saints of Christ more than the RCC (and its vassal protestant religion). The number of murders tallies in the tens of millions, yet those who continue to uphold the doctrines of hate refuse to acknowledge the context of scripture (the entire Bible, not just bits and pieces of it) as well as the testimony of history itself.
No one can be saved apart from the LAW.Aberrations of Biblical doctrine began to proliferate with Vatican insinuation of its dogmas over Biblical context. Ultimately there was little or nothing left of God's intended teachings. Today both the Bible and the general meaning of the word 'context' are ignored displaced and treated with disdain. As a result the Ruach ha-Kodesh (Holy Spirit) has abandoned these denominations to their own devices. The end result of the process is dilution and elimination of anything even closely resembling Godly worship and knowledge. Churches today specialize in humanistic dogma, sexual aberrations, occult themes in music and literature and a form of works to justify themselves. God hates it. (Isaiah 1:14)
The sad situation is that nobody cares. Nobody really studies history or the context of the Bible as a whole. Whenever an encouragement to do so is raised, it is summarily denounced disregarded and minimized.
Nobody wants the truth (John 3:19). Instead they insist upon hearing and reading those things that tickle their ears (2 Tim 4:3). Instead of godly doctrine they produce Vegas style production numbers on Sunday morning. Even as they denounce Jewish tradition as acts that do not save, Christians produce their own traditions which don't save either. These self-righteous bigots look down upon Jews who are the inheritance and beloved of God. (Malachi 1)
Christianity has become a plastic religion eager to bend and shape itself into any form pleasing to the world - including hatred of Jews and rejection of the Jewish State of Israel.Don't deny it. The evidence of this is on display in every community in America.
America has turned its back upon God and God will NOT bless the nation any more. Watch TV news and read your local newspaper. Do you see blessings there or do you see declining respect for America everywhere? We've lost ANOTHER war. Does that mean anything to you? Do you see peace and safety or murder and violence on all our streets? Do you see prosperity and hope or do you see financial struggle for every family and a bleak future for our children? America has turned its back upon God and God's truth. America is reaping the whirlwind of its own lies. America has conjured up the devil and she will pay the devil's price.
Can anyone in his right mind declare the church has replaced Jewish Israel? They cannot because the church has denied God. It has relegated the Eternal to a form of passive indifference. They cannot declare the church has replaced Israel unless they justify or deliberately ignore all the murder and lies perpetrated throughout the last two thousand years
in the name of the church. The church has tried to remove excise and delete Jews from its religion and the world, but the Jew remains. Israel exists and prospers - unlike the church which is in decline everywhere. If prosperity alone were the benchmark for God's blessings then the State of Israel would stand as a shining light. The church is nothing more than a smoldering candle wick.
Christianity has become a plastic religion. All the people of the earth see Christian hypocrisy for what it is - except Christians who've chosen to believe their own lies.
The Truth?When a man accepts Jesus Christ as his lord and savior
he becomes a Jew in God's eyes.(Romans 2:29) The church is thus removed from the equation entirely. (Rev 18:4)
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Amo Sun Aug 15, 2021 - 22:56:21
Just what are you calling doubtful disputations?
Your posts. Most of them, at least.
: RB Mon Aug 16, 2021 - 06:48:58
One more thought~ALL the promise to David are to be understood of Christ~per the Jewish apostles of the NT....all the promises to Israel are to be understood of the TRUE ISRAEL of God~the children of God's promises....per Jewish apostles of the NT
There are NO promises to the natural seed of Abraham, who do not show any love for the truth. God's promises are not given to the blood that flows through a person's veins. This is so clear, we should not even have to address this lie from false prophets who go about promising Jews good things to come just before they happen to be of Abraham's natural seed. Why promise Abraham's natural seed hope when he had several sons after Isaac? Are the promises to them as well? The promises are to the seed of Abraham which IS CHRIST and those who are part of his elect body, the children of God's promises. Selah
Red - you GOTTA drop this replacement theory garbage. It is a pack of lies from the father of lies.
: RB Mon Aug 16, 2021 - 06:48:58
One more thought~ALL the promise to David are to be understood of Christ~per the Jewish apostles of the NT....all the promises to Israel are to be understood of the TRUE ISRAEL of God~the children of God's promises....per Jewish apostles of the NT
There are NO promises to the natural seed of Abraham, who do not show any love for the truth. God's promises are not given to the blood that flows through a person's veins. This is so clear, we should not even have to address this lie from false prophets who go about promising Jews good things to come just before they happen to be of Abraham's natural seed. Why promise Abraham's natural seed hope when he had several sons after Isaac? Are the promises to them as well? The promises are to the seed of Abraham which IS CHRIST and those who are part of his elect body, the children of God's promises. Selah
You really need to read your Bible -
ALL OF IT.
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." - God speaking to Abraham Genesis 12:3
There are two promises in this passage. One is to Israel - the Hebrew children of Abraham. The second is a blessing to all the earth - ha-Mashiach (Christ).
If the promise to Israel,
meaning the REAL people/Jews and the REAL nation, is false then so too is God's promise to save those who trust and obey Him.
Finally do you not realize that Jewish traditions will NOT save? Neither will Christian traditions save. THE PRIMARY Christian tradition is that one become a member of the church. The Bible nowhere says church membership will save anybody.
As I wrote earlier, Replacement Theology is a construction of the Catholic church. According to this barbaric heresy, the church replaces Israel as God's nation and people on the earth. This is entirely false for two reasons mentioned above. In the OT it was necessary to become a Jew to be saved. Now in the NT the church is saying it is necessary to become a church member to be saved. What's the difference? None, whatsoever.
Romans 2:29 says one becomes a Jew by faith. Paul says that gentiles as well as Jews MUST embrace ha-Mashiach to be justified before God. When they do they are joined to Jesus (Y'shuah) THE KING OF THE JEWS.
The church is nothing more than a spiritual squatter - claiming spiritual ground it has no right to possess.
It is all about Jesus Christ (Y'shuah ha-Mashiach) and His blood that saves. It's not about membership in a synagogue or church.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: DaveW Tue Aug 17, 2021 - 06:28:34Red - you GOTTA drop this replacement theory garbage. It is a pack of lies from the father of lies.
Dave, you call the
mystery of Christ (
Read Romans 16:25, 26; Ephesians 2:11-3:11) a pack of lies by calling it
"replacement theory garbage", in order to seemly give your Jewish fable some support~ does not move me, nor will stop me from declaring the
mystery of Christ so help me God. Maybe I'll start a thread on these two doctrines and let us see who is preaching a pack of lies.
I will deal with Choir Loft AFTER the tornado (from Fred) passes by my house the warning just went out. RB
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh Mon Aug 16, 2021 - 14:18:26
Your posts. Most of them, at least.
I see, kind of a personal thing. So be it.
: Choir Loft Mon Aug 16, 2021 - 07:43:58
Scripture references taken out of context and which are used in an attempt to displace or dilute God's truth are meaningless. If such scripture references were bullets, you'd be shooting blanks. They mean nothing because Replacement Theology denies God and hates His people Israel.
You ask how many who deny Christ can compose true Israel - read Jeremiah 50:20. Not all Jews reject Christ. There is a believing remnant who are forgiven. Gentiles are added to Jews/Israel (Romans 11:23) not the other way around (because gentiles, NOT GOD, reject Jews). Who is the true vine? Is it Christ or the pope? If the pope then where is it written that RCC saves?
Arguments supporting the veracity of Replacement Theology are anti-Semitic.
While the entire nation of America claims to turn its back on hate language, the church embraces it. Jews are excluded from all its consideration and dogma.
The RCC has been traditionally opposed to Jews, the Jewish state and anything that smells of Jew including but not limited to Mosaic LAW. The post-protestant church, which now marches in lock step with Vatican ideology, now embraces most of these same doctrines. No religion has been guilty of murdering innocent Jews and the saints of Christ more than the RCC (and its vassal protestant religion). The number of murders tallies in the tens of millions, yet those who continue to uphold the doctrines of hate refuse to acknowledge the context of scripture (the entire Bible, not just bits and pieces of it) as well as the testimony of history itself.
No one can be saved apart from the LAW.
Aberrations of Biblical doctrine began to proliferate with Vatican insinuation of its dogmas over Biblical context. Ultimately there was little or nothing left of God's intended teachings. Today both the Bible and the general meaning of the word 'context' are ignored displaced and treated with disdain. As a result the Ruach ha-Kodesh (Holy Spirit) has abandoned these denominations to their own devices. The end result of the process is dilution and elimination of anything even closely resembling Godly worship and knowledge. Churches today specialize in humanistic dogma, sexual aberrations, occult themes in music and literature and a form of works to justify themselves. God hates it. (Isaiah 1:14)
The sad situation is that nobody cares.
Nobody really studies history or the context of the Bible as a whole. Whenever an encouragement to do so is raised, it is summarily denounced disregarded and minimized. Nobody wants the truth (John 3:19). Instead they insist upon hearing and reading those things that tickle their ears (2 Tim 4:3). Instead of godly doctrine they produce Vegas style production numbers on Sunday morning. Even as they denounce Jewish tradition as acts that do not save, Christians produce their own traditions which don't save either. These self-righteous bigots look down upon Jews who are the inheritance and beloved of God. (Malachi 1)
Christianity has become a plastic religion eager to bend and shape itself into any form pleasing to the world - including hatred of Jews and rejection of the Jewish State of Israel.
Don't deny it. The evidence of this is on display in every community in America.
America has turned its back upon God and God will NOT bless the nation any more.
Watch TV news and read your local newspaper. Do you see blessings there or do you see declining respect for America everywhere? We've lost ANOTHER war. Does that mean anything to you? Do you see peace and safety or murder and violence on all our streets? Do you see prosperity and hope or do you see financial struggle for every family and a bleak future for our children? America has turned its back upon God and God's truth. America is reaping the whirlwind of its own lies. America has conjured up the devil and she will pay the devil's price.
Can anyone in his right mind declare the church has replaced Jewish Israel?
They cannot because the church has denied God. It has relegated the Eternal to a form of passive indifference. They cannot declare the church has replaced Israel unless they justify or deliberately ignore all the murder and lies perpetrated throughout the last two thousand years in the name of the church. The church has tried to remove excise and delete Jews from its religion and the world, but the Jew remains. Israel exists and prospers - unlike the church which is in decline everywhere. If prosperity alone were the benchmark for God's blessings then the State of Israel would stand as a shining light. The church is nothing more than a smoldering candle wick.
Christianity has become a plastic religion. All the people of the earth see Christian hypocrisy for what it is - except Christians who've chosen to believe their own lies.
The Truth?
When a man accepts Jesus Christ as his lord and savior he becomes a Jew in God's eyes.(Romans 2:29) The church is thus removed from the equation entirely. (Rev 18:4)
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
We actually agree upon quite a bit. We just part ways considering exactly who new covenant Israel is. I do not deny the Israel of God, or God's new covenant church, they are one and the same. Though the world is filled false Jews and "Christians". Israel and Christ's church always have and still do stand. Neither, is a building, or a denomination, or a nation during this new covenant era. This includes what is called the Jewish state today. There is no true Jew or Christian that is not born again of the Spirit, and therefore citizens of God's kingdom upon this earth, which stands in contrast to all others. Not against them, but in contrast to them. The time for a literal kingdom of God on this earth is passed. It will not return again until God Himself in Christ Jesus our Lord returns again to make all things new. Christ's kingdom during this new covenant era simply is not of the world, nor can it be. No literal nation can have all of its citizens born of God in Christ Jesus. Christ's spiritual kingdom of Israel which is Christ's true church on earth alone is filled with only those born of God in Christ Jesus.
Joh 18:33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews? 34 Jesus answered him,
Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? 35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered,
My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered,
Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.Your error is in making literal Israel filled with many who still reject Christ as their Messiah, the Israel of God of this new covenant era. Yes there are many Jews in Christ who are part of the body of Christ His church, even in literal Israel, but this can never make it the Israel of God in this new covenant era. Christ's true church was founded by the Messiah of the Jews and His Jewish apostles, which welcomes all of every race and nation into the fold. Just as the Old Testament scriptures predicted. Christ's church and new covenant Israel are one. No one is born of either, but all must be born again of Christ Jesus our Lord to truly be part of either. Christ's testimony is the same to Jew and Gentile in this new covenant, both must be born again if they are to be of the church or Israel of God.
Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.It is the same for the Jew as the Gentile. The middle wall of partition is only broken down for those whether Jew or Gentile, who are are born again in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision,
but a new creature. 16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.You will admit of the false body and church of Christ, the devil's counterfeit, but you will not admit of the false Israel of God as well, also the devil's counterfeit. It is not those who accept the truth that the church of Christ and the Israel of God are one in this new covenant era, that present replacement theology. It is those who maintain the wall of separation between them, which our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ came to tear down. Those who maintain the church has replaced Israel, or those who maintain that Israel and the church are still separate entities and peoples.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
It is one thing to declare someone is taking scripture out of context, it is another to explain such. Please do explain how I have taken the scriptures quoted above or in my prior posts, out of context. Thank you.
: Choir Loft Tue Aug 17, 2021 - 07:18:46You really need to read your Bible - ALL OF IT.
I have a few times over. Probably while you were still in diapers and messing all over yourself
maybe before you were ever born.
: Choir boy Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 07:18:46 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." - God speaking to Abraham Genesis 12:3
: THE LORDGenesis 12:1-3~"Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."
If one like you are doing isolate Genesis 12:1-3, you may convince an unlearn seeker of the truth by using surface sound bites that always lead one down the road of embracing a false position and encouraging false doctrines and hope.
To teach Genesis 12:1-3 is referencing Abraham's natural seed in any way whatsoever is to completely ignore hundreds of other scriptures. No scripture is in a vacuum but must be understood by the thousands of other scriptures addressing the true promises of Genesis 12.
How about the promises of the LAND? unto a land that I will shew thee
: THE LORDGenesis 13:14-17~"And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee."
The promised land was NOT the piece of wilderness in the middle east to believe that is to reject the scriptures! When Abraham lifted up his eyes, AS FAR AS HE COULD SEE as HE KEPT WALKING was to be the promised land of the everlasting Covenant~which the Abrahamic covenant was just a small revelation of the one and true EVERLASTING COVENANT with Christ and HIS SEED which included Abraham who is the father of all that followed the SAME SYSTEM of FAITH that he lived by~meaning, HIS FAITH was the evidence that God had truly called him OUT OF this world and promised him a world far superior in every possible imaginable way man could think of.
: THE HOLY GHOSTHebrews 11:8-13~"By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. By faith he sojourned in the land of promise (which was a TYPE of the world to come~RB), as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God. Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable. These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
Again...
: PaulRomans 4:13-15~"For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, (NOT a piece of God-forsaken land in the middle east-RB) was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:"
So, the land was NOT any parcel of land IN THIS WORLD, and certainly not the middle east, the most God-forsaken land in this world, certainly has very little natural beauty to boast of. The spiritual children of Abraham are the children of God's promises, not limited to his natural seed but includes millions upon millions of Gentiles, which actually was what Abraham WAS before God chose him to be the earthly example of the children of his promises.
: Paul who was a Jew by natureGalatians 4:28-30~"Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Genesis 12:1-3 is NOT promised to the natural seed of Abraham, or to the land in the middle east, but the children of God's promises through and in Christ.
: Choir boy Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 07:18:46 If the promise to Israel, meaning the REAL people/Jews and the REAL nation, is false then so too is God's promise to save those who trust and obey Him.
You need to learn how to interpret your bible it might save you from making such foolish statements. Besides, God's promises of saving his people from sin and condemnation are unconditional~
our obedience is the evidence like Abraham that God has INDEED called us out of this world unto a land that we WILL give to us~it is NOT the conditions of securing our inheritance~only Christ's perfect obedience qualify and are means of entering into life eternal.
: Choir boy Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 07:18:46As I wrote earlier, Replacement Theology is a construction of the Catholic church. According to this barbaric heresy, the church replaces Israel as God's nation and people on the earth.
The church (called out ones) has always been the true people of God~people like you and others are trying to REPLACE THE CHURCH with a bunch of Christ rejecters and murders!
: Paul a JEW by natureRomans 9:6-8~"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: (the SAME could be said of the church in our day, they are NOT all OF THE CHURCH which are in the church, very few truly are~RB) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
You are on the wrong side of the fence in this debate with God's word!
: Choir boy Reply #39 on: Yesterday at 07:18:46Romans 2:29 says one becomes a Jew by faith. Paul says that gentiles as well as Jews MUST embrace ha-Mashiach to be justified before God.
Nowhere in Romans 2:29 does it say what you are reading into the scriptures~one does not become a Jew by faith, one is ELECTED by grace to be the children of God's promises, be they natural Jews or Gentiles~once in the fold, they can see and understand how the promises to Israel and the Jews MUST be understood in a spiritual sense for most Jews and Gnetiles hate Jesus Christ and his gospel.
: Amo Tue Aug 17, 2021 - 16:22:56
We actually agree upon quite a bit. We just part ways considering exactly who new covenant Israel is. I do not deny the Israel of God, or God's new covenant church, they are one and the same. Though the world is filled false Jews and "Christians". Israel and Christ's church always have and still do stand. Neither, is a building, or a denomination, or a nation during this new covenant era. This includes what is called the Jewish state today. There is no true Jew or Christian that is not born again of the Spirit, and therefore citizens of God's kingdom upon this earth, which stands in contrast to all others. Not against them, but in contrast to them. The time for a literal kingdom of God on this earth is passed. It will not return again until God Himself in Christ Jesus our Lord returns again to make all things new. Christ's kingdom during this new covenant era simply is not of the world, nor can it be. No literal nation can have all of its citizens born of God in Christ Jesus. Christ's spiritual kingdom of Israel which is Christ's true church on earth alone is filled with only those born of God in Christ Jesus.
. . . .
You will admit of the false body and church of Christ, the devil's counterfeit, but you will not admit of the false Israel of God as well, also the devil's counterfeit. It is not those who accept the truth that the church of Christ and the Israel of God are one in this new covenant era, that present replacement theology. It is those who maintain the wall of separation between them, which our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ came to tear down. Those who maintain the church has replaced Israel, or those who maintain that Israel and the church are still separate entities and peoples.
. . . .
It is one thing to declare someone is taking scripture out of context, it is another to explain such. Please do explain how I have taken the scriptures quoted above or in my prior posts, out of context. Thank you.
Last statement first. I have learned from hard experience NOT to spend precious hours researching the Bible to satisfy the questions of one who has convinced himself of a lie. I submit that you will accept no contextual explanation from me even if I spent one hundred years doing it. Your mind, along with most anti-semitic Christians, is made up and cannot be persuaded with facts. All I can do is write simple statements as clearly as possible.
Context is one of those things Christians refer to but never apply. Instead they rely upon snippets of scripture like religious slogans and buzz words for which they know no truth meaning. Case in point is the almost absolute rejection of the Tanakh - the entire OT. Every Jew hater I've ever met has also expressed the desire to rip the OT out of the Bible and burn it. As a result their theology becomes pathetically perverse.
Top of the list on devilish counterfeit religions is the plastic church - RCC being on top of the heap with post protestant denominations following with their noses up the Vatican's tail feathers. Globally the Christian church is withering on the vine - mostly because it's severed its relationship with the root (Jesus Christ). Even the Pope has admitted to the apostasy of the western church. I have no figures for the Orthodox church, but I imagine its not doing much better as it is primarily a function of national politics rather than an independent ideological entity.
Don't write of the post protestant church as though it was anything special. It isn't. Most protestant denominations have denied the veracity of the Word of God in national conventions and meetings - including but not limited to the Presbyterian Church. The rest play games with the world - admitting sexual aberrations as normal, worshipping political partisanship as something akin to god on earth and holding allegiance to the world's most violent aggressive nation as something god would bless. He doesn't and He won't. The RCC is riddled with corruption as well as the post protestant church. There is nothing spiritual about it except perhaps its wedding with the occult. I call it the plastic church because it bends and twists and shapes itself so as to please the world (which really isn't impressed with the gymnastics of its leaders). The church is not godly by a long shot, yet those who hold with Replacement Theology believe it is. They side with RCC presentation of itself as god on earth.
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." - Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.
First point last - Israel and the church are NOT the same thing. Like all the rest you use twisty words to convey the notion that some sort of plastic Christianity is honored by God when in fact those who are joined to Christ become JEWS. The NT is full of references to Jesus as the KING OF THE JEWS and of those who are joined to Him as becoming one of them. There is NO CHURCH except as the blasphemer of Revelation. At the same time you use language that disrespects Jews and those who hold to Jewish tradition as somehow in league with the devil.
Let me point out AGAIN that although Jewish tradition won't save NEITHER WILL CHRISTIAN tradition save anybody. Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, your Halloween witches demons vampires and pumpkins sold by the truckload at your churches won't save anybody. Neither will anybody be saved by eating bits of bread and sips of juice or wine that have been magically converted by religious incantations.
Christ died once for all. He doesn't need to be crucified over and over again upon Catholic altars or in sanctimonious protestant services.
The United States is guilty of passive indifference toward God. To that end America will be judged. Indeed we are already under judgment. C&E Christians aren't going to impress God with their religious tradition either.
Oh no, there is much that is perverse and corrupt in the church. There is absolutely nothing at all in it or of it that is in any way significantly of Christ. It has become a joke in the eyes of the world and only those who have pitched their tents on shifting sand refuse to see it.
Replacement Theology is a spiritual political and ethnic aberration in the eyes of God and man. Only those who are convince they are better than the Jews God has blessed buy the lie.
God has said He will bless those who bless Israel (the fruit of Abraham's body) and curse those who curse them. Has God lied or has God become senile? I don't think so. I do believe plastic Christianity has become the devil's religion on earth. It has figuratively and literally joined itself to the father of lies thievery and murder and can claim no association with the Kingdom of Heaven at all.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: RB Wed Aug 18, 2021 - 04:27:30
I have a few times over. Probably while you were still in diapers and messing all over yourself maybe before you were ever born. If one like you are doing isolate Genesis 12:1-3, you may convince an unlearn seeker of the truth by using surface sound bites that always lead one down the road of embracing a false position and encouraging false doctrines and hope.
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You are on the wrong side of the fence in this debate with God's word! Nowhere in Romans 2:29 does it say what you are reading into the scriptures~one does not become a Jew by faith, one is ELECTED by grace to be the children of God's promises, be they natural Jews or Gentiles~once in the fold, they can see and understand how the promises to Israel and the Jews MUST be understood in a spiritual sense for most Jews and Gnetiles hate Jesus Christ and his gospel.
Amazing how you make claims for yourself according to your extreme age when you have no idea how old I am.
(2 years older than you are) This is typical of plastic Christians, especially those who justify their own opinions over those of vetted scholars.
I hold a Master's Degree in theology and church history. What do you have - a certificate for Sunday School perfect attendance?
Who are the ELECT? You assume your church membership entitles you to that title, but it doesn't - not in the Bible anyway.
The chosen of God are the physical children of Abraham and the nation of today's State of Israel. Historic proof of the flag of Israel flying over Jerusalem is obvious even to the enemies of God's people.
The elect are those who have
chosen to accept Christ Jesus and
who have become Jews (Romans 2:29) NOT members of an anti-semitic church whose founder hated Jews for most of his adult life.
Church membership doesn't save anybody. Hating Jews certainly won't win any awards on Judgment Day.
The few who are chosen are Jews. The many
who are called are given a choice (Joshua 24:15) of life or death. Nowhere is church membership mentioned anywhere.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Choir Loft Wed Aug 18, 2021 - 16:25:55Amazing how you make claims for yourself according to your extreme age when you have no idea how old I am. (2 years older than you are) This is typical of plastic Christians
Maybe you are, but your writings do not even come close of showing you are an older person, but be that as it may be~if it is so, then concerning you, we must agree with Job...
Job 32:9~"Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgment."
You are a living testimony to the truth of Job's words.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 16:25:55This is typical of plastic Christians, especially those who justify their own opinions over those of vetted scholars.
Your posts continually speak down toward
Christians and the Christian doctrines of the NT which are the doctrines of Jesus Christ if taught properly~ Wonder why you desire Moses over Christ? A
vetted scholars is to me, a misnomer for WHO is doing the search to determine who is truly a biblical scholar? Jesus would have never passed that test among the Pharisees, or even your test, so truly, that matters very little if any.
John 7:15,16~"And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned? Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me."
A wise man will judge those that teach scriptures by THEIR DOCTRINE and their ability to articulate the same
using the word of God, not by what is attached to his name.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 16:25:55I hold a Master's Degree in theology and church history. What do you have - a certificate for Sunday School perfect attendance?
Neither.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 16:25:55Who are the ELECT? You assume your church membership entitles you to that title, but it doesn't - not in the Bible anyway.
First, let me say this and be very clear on this point:
I DO NOT believe in church membership~never have, never will. So, your strawman argument concerning church membership means you are barking up the wrong tree and your perception of my many posts is seriously lacking in knowing what I teach and stand for~and what many sincere Christians believe and teach.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 16:25:55Who are the ELECT? The chosen of God are the physical children of Abraham and the nation of today's State of Israel. Historic proof of the flag of Israel flying over Jerusalem is obvious even to the enemies of God's people. /size]
Sir, you need to check your pants, you are so
full of beans, I can smell you miles away! Without question, you are void of spiritual truth on this subject concerning the
physical children of Abraham being the very elect of God, nothing could be farther from the truth of God's word. It is so clear from God's testimony that the children of His promises are the very elect.
: THE HOLY GHOSTRomans 9:6-8~"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed."
You do not determine who are God's children by blood, and certainly not by a flag flying over their country~the evidence is in THEIR LOVE FOR JESUS CHRIST~this would almost 100% leave the Jews out as the very elect~not totally, we know, but almost completely IN OUR DAY, under the NT~just as we were in the OT when the election of grace ran THROUGH the physical seed of Abraham much more than through the Gentiles, even though only a few of them in comparison to the whole truly love God and fear him, just as it so among the Gentiles now.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 16:25:55NOT members of an anti-semitic church whose founder hated Jews for most of his adult life.
I was not there and cannot speak for Martin Luther (assuming that is whom you are speaking of)~but will say this, JUST BECAUSE Christians refuse to give into the lie that God's true chosen people are the physical children of Abraham, DOES NOT mean we hate them, far from that, it just means that we refuse to give the children of God's promises bread to the dogs, or those (Jews or Gentiles) who show no love for the truth at the present time. If you and others desire to take that position and stamp
Anti Semitic on an individual, then you are being very deceitful in doing so.
: Choir Loft on: Yesterday at 16:25:55The few who are chosen are Jews.
Prove your position with scriptures~which you will never be able to do so. We now have a NEW TESTAMENT just in case you do not know~
read it and learn from Jewish apostles of Jesus Christ~you just might learn something that has been hidden from your eyes from believing in Jewish fables.
: Choir Loft Wed Aug 18, 2021 - 16:16:38
Last statement first. I have learned from hard experience NOT to spend precious hours researching the Bible to satisfy the questions of one who has convinced himself of a lie. I submit that you will accept no contextual explanation from me even if I spent one hundred years doing it. Your mind, along with most anti-semitic Christians, is made up and cannot be persuaded with facts. All I can do is write simple statements as clearly as possible.
Context is one of those things Christians refer to but never apply. Instead they rely upon snippets of scripture like religious slogans and buzz words for which they know no truth meaning. Case in point is the almost absolute rejection of the Tanakh - the entire OT. Every Jew hater I've ever met has also expressed the desire to rip the OT out of the Bible and burn it. As a result their theology becomes pathetically perverse.
Top of the list on devilish counterfeit religions is the plastic church - RCC being on top of the heap with post protestant denominations following with their noses up the Vatican's tail feathers. Globally the Christian church is withering on the vine - mostly because it's severed its relationship with the root (Jesus Christ). Even the Pope has admitted to the apostasy of the western church. I have no figures for the Orthodox church, but I imagine its not doing much better as it is primarily a function of national politics rather than an independent ideological entity.
Don't write of the post protestant church as though it was anything special. It isn't. Most protestant denominations have denied the veracity of the Word of God in national conventions and meetings - including but not limited to the Presbyterian Church. The rest play games with the world - admitting sexual aberrations as normal, worshipping political partisanship as something akin to god on earth and holding allegiance to the world's most violent aggressive nation as something god would bless. He doesn't and He won't. The RCC is riddled with corruption as well as the post protestant church. There is nothing spiritual about it except perhaps its wedding with the occult. I call it the plastic church because it bends and twists and shapes itself so as to please the world (which really isn't impressed with the gymnastics of its leaders). The church is not godly by a long shot, yet those who hold with Replacement Theology believe it is. They side with RCC presentation of itself as god on earth.
"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." - Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.
First point last - Israel and the church are NOT the same thing. Like all the rest you use twisty words to convey the notion that some sort of plastic Christianity is honored by God when in fact those who are joined to Christ become JEWS. The NT is full of references to Jesus as the KING OF THE JEWS and of those who are joined to Him as becoming one of them. There is NO CHURCH except as the blasphemer of Revelation. At the same time you use language that disrespects Jews and those who hold to Jewish tradition as somehow in league with the devil.
Let me point out AGAIN that although Jewish tradition won't save NEITHER WILL CHRISTIAN tradition save anybody. Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, your Halloween witches demons vampires and pumpkins sold by the truckload at your churches won't save anybody. Neither will anybody be saved by eating bits of bread and sips of juice or wine that have been magically converted by religious incantations. Christ died once for all. He doesn't need to be crucified over and over again upon Catholic altars or in sanctimonious protestant services.
The United States is guilty of passive indifference toward God. To that end America will be judged. Indeed we are already under judgment. C&E Christians aren't going to impress God with their religious tradition either.
Oh no, there is much that is perverse and corrupt in the church. There is absolutely nothing at all in it or of it that is in any way significantly of Christ. It has become a joke in the eyes of the world and only those who have pitched their tents on shifting sand refuse to see it.
Replacement Theology is a spiritual political and ethnic aberration in the eyes of God and man. Only those who are convince they are better than the Jews God has blessed buy the lie.
God has said He will bless those who bless Israel (the fruit of Abraham's body) and curse those who curse them. Has God lied or has God become senile? I don't think so. I do believe plastic Christianity has become the devil's religion on earth. It has figuratively and literally joined itself to the father of lies thievery and murder and can claim no association with the Kingdom of Heaven at all.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
You have many words and thoughts to share, and you do so well. Many can do the same, and we all have much to share on these boards I suppose. Short of examining and or expounding upon scripture though, our words are just like us, dust. Here today, gone tomorrow, they will perish along with us. You might want to try and avail yourself of the eternal power of God's word a little more often, and place faith in their effect over and above your own. You are convinced that you cannot convince me, and you are correct. Unless you convince me from scripture, you most certainly are waisting your time. You will neither address the scriptures I have provided, or explain their proper relation to those you mention in defense of your own views. So be it.
No one is cursing Israel but within your own mind. Even the gospel is to the Jew first, from among whom our Lord chose to bring forth the Holy One of Israel unto salvation for all. Nevertheless, neither Jew or Gentile who refuse His salvation, or treat it with indifference or apathy will be saved, or can ever be called the Israel of God. This includes the many Jews of literal Israel of today, who still reject their Messiah Jesus Christ. This is unadulterated biblical truth. Not me or anyone else cursing the Jews.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Those Jews who remain in unbelief are not of the Israel of God, and never can be, just as the rest of us.
You are correct concerning the Protestant slide back to Romanism, but you are dead wrong about the Protestant movement which was out and away from her according to their increasing understanding of the Holy scriptures. This was a movement inspired by God, and adherence to increased understanding of His Holy word. It should be no surprise that new covenant Israel goes back and forth continually between apostasy and reformation, just as Israel of old did over and over again. So it will be, until Christ returns and establishes literal Israel and the New Jerusalem in the new heaven and earth.
: Amo Thu Aug 19, 2021 - 11:46:30
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No one is cursing Israel but within your own mind. Even the gospel is to the Jew first, from among whom our Lord chose to bring forth the Holy One of Israel unto salvation for all. Nevertheless, neither Jew or Gentile who refuse His salvation, or treat it with indifference or apathy will be saved, or can ever be called the Israel of God. This includes the many Jews of literal Israel of today, who still reject their Messiah Jesus Christ. This is unadulterated biblical truth. Not me or anyone else cursing the Jews.
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You are correct concerning the Protestant slide back to Romanism, but you are dead wrong about the Protestant movement which was out and away from her according to their increasing understanding of the Holy scriptures. This was a movement inspired by God, and adherence to increased understanding of His Holy word. It should be no surprise that new covenant Israel goes back and forth continually between apostasy and reformation, just as Israel of old did over and over again. So it will be, until Christ returns and establishes literal Israel and the New Jerusalem in the new heaven and earth.
So too, at the present time there is a
remnant chosen by grace. - Romans 11:5
Do a word study on 'remnant'. A spiritual principle of the Kingdom of Heaven is taught therein that God preserves a REMNANT of believing JEWS from among the many who SIN and turn away. This principle is reiterated often throughout the Tanakh (OT) and repeated again in the epistles. Read what the Word says and cease reading into it. Reading dogma into scripture has been the bane of RCC and the post-protestant church for centuries.
Replacement Theology/Supersessionism dogma didn't have that name when it was originally inserted into RCC teaching, but it has come to have that label since it was embraced by the post-protestant church. It is based upon hatred of Jews, which the church has murdered and ostracized since the earliest days of its existence. Its been estimated that about 33% of Jews accepted Y'shuah (Jesus) as their ha-Mashiach (Annointed One/Christ) when the gospel was first preached. Those numbers were depleted severely when gentiles were invited into the fellowship. Eventually, according to historic record, they were banished altogether - unless they became members of the RCC.
Does church membership save anyone? It does if you're a Catholic. It does if you listen to the rhetoric of certain post-protestant churches. It does if you insist that Jews MUST join a Christian church to be saved. Jewish tradition doesn't save anybody, but NEITHER DOES Christian tradition. It is a matter of the heart and soul between a person and God. It is a matter of the LAW, which Christians reject out of hand without even knowing what it means. Neither do they care to learn..... To blatantly accuse Jews of damnation because they attend synagogue instead of church services is a Nazi lie. THAT is the truth!
Today the lie that all Jews are damned to hell and that they all reject Y'shuah is commonly accepted as truth. You repeat that position in your posts - constantly. Of such lies was the holocaust born and justified. THAT, sir, is historic record. THAT, sir, is ideological fact in most churches. The joke is that most Christians buy into it and don't even think about the ramifications of what they believe. This is one reason I label Christians as members of a plastic religion. It blows with the popular wind, more so recently than previously but it changes nonetheless.
I didn't invent the term post-protestant. It's been coined by theologians to describe the slide into Catholicism by protestants who adopt the religious views of the Vatican. Unfortunately it became an obsolete term almost as soon as it was regularly employed in white papers, magazine articles and by YouTube talking heads. The word plastic is more appropriate. The church today is racing headlong to embrace worldly points of view. At the same time it's turning its back upon Biblical principles (clarified by Reformation theologians).
You cite "increased understanding"?
I submit to you that there is no understanding on your part of that which you defend. Nobody in the church understands anything. Church members are concerned ONLY with reciting scripture like
religious slogans or
buzz words and do not even understand the meaning of the words they parrot. I've witnessed these same parrots lose their ability to speak when an atheist asks why Jesus had to die on the cross. This ought to be Religion 101, but they don't know how to answer the question. Slogans and buzz words are all they understand. The ironic thing is that Jews DID THE EXACT SAME THING when Jesus walked among them. Read the Bible.
What church do you attend? Go to the parking lot during Sunday services and count the number of cars. On Wednesday night, the typical evening for Bible study, you will count far fewer cars. People don't care to waste their time on Middle School level religious teaching they've heard a hundred times before. Nothing new is being taught in our churches. PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN TAUGHT HOW TO "STUDY" THE BIBLE. Who knows what a 'word study' is or how to do it? Who knows the purpose of a Bible dictionary or how to use it? Who knows what an interpretive textbook is or how to balance its writing with their own perceptions of scripture? NOBODY. And they don't care to know either. Do you contest this assessment? It gets worse, sir.
Occult terms and music are replacing traditional words and hymns. Certain 'popular' Christians groups regularly employ satanic imagery in their concerts, yet nobody raises objection. I've tried to do so on these forums and have been summarily banned by moderators who uphold the principles of the kingdom of satan. I cannot even name these groups without being censored. The tendency is insidious and hardly noticed by those who attend regularly, but it's there. Sexual aberrations, forbidden from one end of the Bible to the other, are embraced even as members of the plastic church preach and teach the entire OT ought to be dismembered from the Bible. The list goes on, but those specific points are sufficient to provide clear and present evidence of the current state of the church. It is Ichabod (1 sam 4:21) - the Holy Spirit (Ruach ha-Kodesh) has departed from it. It has departed because church leaders told it to hit the road.
I've read the Qur'an from end to end and studied somewhat of its ideology. Islamic terms and doctrine is creeping into our churches too. I recently attended a Southern Baptist worship service where a substitute preacher delivered the sermon. His references were laced with Muslim terms and doctrine, yet the ignorant Biblically illiterate Christians in attendance simply bobbed their heads in agreement and said 'amen'. They didn't know what they were agreeing to. Stupid is as stupid does and Christians today are redefining the term plastic.
Your unadulterated Biblical truths are stained with a skewed view of historic and current evidence.
Not all Jews reject ha-Mashiach. God NEVER abandoned His people Israel and has preserved and blessed a remnant. The church as we once knew it is dead already. (Luke 21:24) Take a walk through your memory of years gone by. If you're honest with yourself and God you'll admit it's changed dramatically. That which remains is withering even as we discuss its failings. (1 Peter 4:17) Look to see it no more, for in the time to come it will become less and less. Indeed it is time to abandon the sinking ship. (Revelation 18:4)
Are we thinking yet? Are we continuing to hold with the anti-Semitic hatred of Jews perpetrated by modern Christian ideology? We do so at extreme risk, for GOD LOVES JEWS. I do NOT refer here to some sort of metaphysical aberration of RCC doctrine. I refer to actual real physical people as well as the actual real sovereign State of Israel. Jews are the apple of God's eye. In ancient terms the apple of one's eye would be defined by today's medical terms as the pupil of the eye - the absolute center of focus of the eye. Thus Jews are the absolute central focus of God's eye - of prophecy, of worship, of salvation itself. To denigrate Jews is to offend the Kingdom of God for it is composed of Jews and gentile believers who have become Jews in the eye of God (Romans 2:29).
America too believes these doctrinal aberrations of the church. Jews everywhere in this country are in fear for their religion and their personal safety. They've been attacked from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Do you deny it? At the heart of the matter is church ideology, which teaches the Jew is on thin ice with God. I'm here to state it is the church, not Jews who are standing on sinking sand.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Choir Loft Sat Aug 21, 2021 - 07:47:24Jews everywhere in this country are in fear for their religion and their personal safety. They've been attacked from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Do you deny it? At the heart of the matter is church ideology, which teaches the Jew is on thin ice with God. I'm here to state it is the church, not Jews who are standing on sinking sand.
You are an NT Church hater~to me that would tell me you are a Jew by nature or at least with your false religious beliefs that are heavily into in Jewish fables.
Philippians 3:1-9~"Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe. Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:"
I'll let Amo have you, since you directed this to him.
: Choir Loft Sat Aug 21, 2021 - 07:47:24
So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. - Romans 11:5
Do a word study on 'remnant'.
A spiritual principle of the Kingdom of Heaven is taught therein that God preserves a REMNANT of believing JEWS from among the many who SIN and turn away. This principle is reiterated often throughout the Tanakh (OT) and repeated again in the epistles. Read what the Word says and cease reading into it. Reading dogma into scripture has been the bane of RCC and the post-protestant church for centuries.
Replacement Theology/Supersessionism dogma didn't have that name when it was originally inserted into RCC teaching, but it has come to have that label since it was embraced by the post-protestant church. It is based upon hatred of Jews, which the church has murdered and ostracized since the earliest days of its existence. Its been estimated that about 33% of Jews accepted Y'shuah (Jesus) as their ha-Mashiach (Annointed One/Christ) when the gospel was first preached. Those numbers were depleted severely when gentiles were invited into the fellowship. Eventually, according to historic record, they were banished altogether - unless they became members of the RCC.
Does church membership save anyone? It does if you're a Catholic. It does if you listen to the rhetoric of certain post-protestant churches. It does if you insist that Jews MUST join a Christian church to be saved. Jewish tradition doesn't save anybody, but NEITHER DOES Christian tradition. It is a matter of the heart and soul between a person and God. It is a matter of the LAW, which Christians reject out of hand without even knowing what it means. Neither do they care to learn..... To blatantly accuse Jews of damnation because they attend synagogue instead of church services is a Nazi lie. THAT is the truth!
Today the lie that all Jews are damned to hell and that they all reject Y'shuah is commonly accepted as truth. You repeat that position in your posts - constantly. Of such lies was the holocaust born and justified. THAT, sir, is historic record. THAT, sir, is ideological fact in most churches. The joke is that most Christians buy into it and don't even think about the ramifications of what they believe. This is one reason I label Christians as members of a plastic religion. It blows with the popular wind, more so recently than previously but it changes nonetheless.
I didn't invent the term post-protestant.
It's been coined by theologians to describe the slide into Catholicism by protestants who adopt the religious views of the Vatican. Unfortunately it became an obsolete term almost as soon as it was regularly employed in white papers, magazine articles and by YouTube talking heads. The word plastic is more appropriate. The church today is racing headlong to embrace worldly points of view. At the same time it's turning its back upon Biblical principles (clarified by Reformation theologians).
You cite "increased understanding"?
I submit to you that there is no understanding on your part of that which you defend. Nobody in the church understands anything. Church members are concerned ONLY with reciting scripture like religious slogans or buzz words and do not even understand the meaning of the words they parrot. I've witnessed these same parrots lose their ability to speak when an atheist asks why Jesus had to die on the cross. This ought to be Religion 101, but they don't know how to answer the question. Slogans and buzz words are all they understand. The ironic thing is that Jews DID THE EXACT SAME THING when Jesus walked among them. Read the Bible.
What church do you attend?
Go to the parking lot during Sunday services and count the number of cars. On Wednesday night, the typical evening for Bible study, you will count far fewer cars. People don't care to waste their time on Middle School level religious teaching they've heard a hundred times before. Nothing new is being taught in our churches. PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN TAUGHT HOW TO "STUDY" THE BIBLE. Who knows what a 'word study' is or how to do it? Who knows the purpose of a Bible dictionary or how to use it? Who knows what an interpretive textbook is or how to balance its writing with their own perceptions of scripture? NOBODY. And they don't care to know either. Do you contest this assessment? It gets worse, sir.
Occult terms and music are replacing traditional words and hymns.
Certain 'popular' Christians groups regularly employ satanic imagery in their concerts, yet nobody raises objection. I've tried to do so on these forums and have been summarily banned by moderators who uphold the principles of the kingdom of satan. I cannot even name these groups without being censored. The tendency is insidious and hardly noticed by those who attend regularly, but it's there. Sexual aberrations, forbidden from one end of the Bible to the other, are embraced even as members of the plastic church preach and teach the entire OT ought to be dismembered from the Bible. The list goes on, but those specific points are sufficient to provide clear and present evidence of the current state of the church. It is Ichabod (1 sam 4:21) - the Holy Spirit (Ruach ha-Kodesh) has departed from it. It has departed because church leaders told it to hit the road.
I've read the Qur'an from end to end and studied somewhat of its ideology. Islamic terms and doctrine is creeping into our churches too. I recently attended a Southern Baptist worship service where a substitute preacher delivered the sermon. His references were laced with Muslim terms and doctrine, yet the ignorant Biblically illiterate Christians in attendance simply bobbed their heads in agreement and said 'amen'. They didn't know what they were agreeing to. Stupid is as stupid does and Christians today are redefining the term plastic.
Your unadulterated Biblical truths are stained with a skewed view of historic and current evidence.
Not all Jews reject ha-Mashiach. God NEVER abandoned His people Israel and has preserved and blessed a remnant. The church as we once knew it is dead already. (Luke 21:24) Take a walk through your memory of years gone by. If you're honest with yourself and God you'll admit it's changed dramatically. That which remains is withering even as we discuss its failings. (1 Peter 4:17) Look to see it no more, for in the time to come it will become less and less. Indeed it is time to abandon the sinking ship. (Revelation 18:4)
Are we thinking yet? Are we continuing to hold with the anti-Semitic hatred of Jews perpetrated by modern Christian ideology? We do so at extreme risk, for GOD LOVES JEWS. I do NOT refer here to some sort of metaphysical aberration of RCC doctrine. I refer to actual real physical people as well as the actual real sovereign State of Israel. Jews are the apple of God's eye. In ancient terms the apple of one's eye would be defined by today's medical terms as the pupil of the eye - the absolute center of focus of the eye. Thus Jews are the absolute central focus of God's eye - of prophecy, of worship, of salvation itself. To denigrate Jews is to offend the Kingdom of God for it is composed of Jews and gentile believers who have become Jews in the eye of God (Romans 2:29).
America too believes these doctrinal aberrations of the church.
Jews everywhere in this country are in fear for their religion and their personal safety. They've been attacked from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Do you deny it? At the heart of the matter is church ideology, which teaches the Jew is on thin ice with God. I'm here to state it is the church, not Jews who are standing on sinking sand.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
You apparently are not listening to what I am saying, and attributing some absolute crap I never stated or wrote to me. These things exist only in your own mind though, certainly not mine. I am well aware of the abuse suffered by the Jews at the hands of the Catholic church, which I myself have addressed and documented on these boards before, and others throughout history as well. Nevertheless, such does not prove authenticity or correctness of your beliefs. If such were the case, then Christianity would be far ahead of the Jews in this silly competition you seem intent upon, between Christianity and the Israel of God which you imagine. It is estimated that between 50 to 125 million Jews and Christians died at the hands of or inspiration of the Church of Rome, over a period of a little more than a thousand years. The vast majority of them were professed Christians, not Jews. Though many millions were Jews. Both Christians and Jews continue to be persecuted around the world today. None of which proves either's authenticity or correctness, as many others throughout history have been persecuted and killed as well.
Nor should it be forgotten, that Jews persecuted other Jews and Gentiles in Christ, first when they had the power to do so. Yet we understand, that such were not true Jews, but rather those who rejected our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Nevertheless, you apparently will not allow of this toward authentic Christians as well, none of whom ever persecuted or killed anyone let alone in the name of Jesus Christ. It was the persecution of Jews and Gentiles by the Jews who rejected Him themselves, which no doubt necessitated a different name for those in Christ who became known as Christians.
Act 11:19
Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. 20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus. 21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord. 22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch. 23 Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord. 24 For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord. 25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: 26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people.
And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.Yes, it was the persecution executed by the Jews who rejected Christ themsleves, which necessitated a Different name for those Jews and Gentiles who accepted our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as the promised Messiah. You are keen to come down hard on apostate "Christianity" and rightly so, but it seems you are not as willing to look apostate Judaism in the face and identify it as such as well, admitting of it and its place in all of this apostasy as well. So be it. I leave with with your deception, and chip you have placed upon your shoulder toward any who will see that there is plenty of blame to go around concerning both Jew and Gentile when it comes to apostasy.
Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. 3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. 4 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, 6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. 7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
1Co 1:22
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29
That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.If you think you are going to win over Christians by telling them they must call themselves Jews, you are no better than the Christians who think they might win over Jews by telling them they must call themselves Christians.
1 Cor 7:17 But as God has distributed to each one, as the Lord has called each one, so let him walk. And so I [a]ordain in all the churches. 18
Was anyone called while circumcised? Let him not become uncircumcised. Was anyone called while uncircumcised? Let him not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. 20 Let each one remain in the same calling in which he was called.Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision,
a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only,
but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.My advice and question to you remains the same though, as to all others, why will you continue to separate that which God has joined together?
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.Shalom
Sorry to say I received several time outs by our Lord and God since I last posted. Cardiac Arrest, which I am all to familiar with, yet our Lord and God does know just how to get my personal and exclusive attention. Never nothing simple but most profound, as I usually go forth as with blinders on, not really caring about details. Unfolding world events I was told to keep secret, which is easy to do, just say nothing. Yet again, as in the here and now of present world affairs, things are not only heating up, but time is running short as well. So short I need not care about what I say, as it has already been foretold by our Lord and God's very own words of bible prophecy by way of the book of Daniel and 2 Ezra.
Hard to understand the symbolic terms used throughout bible prophecy, unless, our Lord and God's most Holy Spirit spells things out most clearly in present day terms. Beyond all doubt, I am not the only one who has been given insight into present day world affairs. Just do a quick search of prophecy forums and you will find no end of those telling the latest they have received from our Lord and God about his personal judgments coming forth.
Giving all praise honor and glory to my Lord and God for being called into his personal service. Things have been kept most secret by those personally involved, various government officials, yet knowing all was related to bible prophecy. Just where is the law of our Lord and God to keep the right and proper understanding of bible prophecy most secret? It just doesn't exist! Yet again, those of false teaching and doctrinal understanding do not want the truth to be told. Just who wants to explain all the lies being brought forth? Even at the total loss and destruction of the USA by way of the wrath of our Lord and God coming forth in judgment. Just where did this all begin?
Time has allowed all to go around in a full circle. The events of 911 were blamed on terrorist in Afghanistan, was it not? The War on Terror was launched swiftly against these people who had nothing to do with 911. Totally false and misleading was any an all information about the events of 911, as it was planned by those currently in offices of power to bring it all about, THEMSELVES! Nothing is beyond knowing of and by our Lord and God. In spite of our Lord and God's personal warning, all was carried out as preplanned.
Now, and I personally mean right here and now, expect the full wrath of our Lord and God in judgment upon America to pour forth right where it all started. Afghanistan! Terror by way of the Beast and False Prophet rising up to extract the wrath of Satan upon one an all who had any part in the affairs of and since 911. America leading the way will pay the highest price. Satan and his minions know no grace, mercy and forgiveness, so expect far more than our Lord and God would have done in righteous judgment.
Bible prophecy spells this all out most plainly, one will reap what they have sowed. Is it not now already happening to those left behind? The hour of testing and trails has most fully begun.
It is interesting that you write with a two-faced agenda.
On the one hand you admit with greater documentation than I presented - that the church DID persecute Jews. It has been my impression and persuasion that the church persecuted "the saints", which Revelation mentions . History declares gentiles as well as Jews were persecuted. That number in my recollection was between fifty and sixty millions of people. You quote the number as approximately one hundred twenty-five million. That's an interesting figure, something not to be ignored.
On the other hand, you falsely claim Jews did the same to gentiles without quoting any numbers or circumstances. Interestingly you provide NO documentation to certify that particular assertion. Part of the history of church discrimination against Jews was to claim Jewish persecution of gentiles. This is not part of the Jewish faith or any mitzvah, but it was indeed Vatican policy at one time. Indeed to this day the Vatican's position on religion is that its leader, the Pope, IS GOD. "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."
Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.
I am not attempting to Judaize anyone.
I've stated over and over again that Jewish traditions DO NOT save anyone, but neither do Christian traditions. This is a fact oddly overlooked in your posts. Does Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, or Halloween ghosts goblins vampire and pumpkins sold by the truckload in front of our churches save anyone? C&E Christians think their rare appearances in holiday worship services will stamp their passport to heaven, but it won't. Christian tradition doesn't save anyone, yet you will not admit to this heresy without denigrating Jews in the process.
I do quote scripture and the context in which it is written.
It is no fault of mine that most Christians refuse good education and references with regard to learning about their religion. Those that join themselves to Christ submit to Him as their lord savior and King. Jesus, as clearly taught in the gospels, is the King of the Jews. Hence those who swear their allegiance to Him become Jews as well. It is so stated by Paul in Romans 2:29. Denial of this spiritual principle is more than dogma it is treachery against the King who offered Himself as a sacrifice for SINNERS. Millions have sworn their allegiance to the Pope of the RCC. When they do so they declare the Pope is their god, not Christ. Pope would be their spiritual head, not Christ. That to which one swears allegiance is that which is one's lord including but not limited to the flag of the government of the United States.(*)
The Bible nowhere certifies that blaspheme is allowed by God, yet Christians consistently behave as though it is. Believing the church has replaced Israel in the eyes of God is a blasphemous SIN. Its also a bare faced lie.
Attacking Jews is becoming the popular sport these days. Let the reader beware lest he or she become caught up in it for God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse it. (Genesis 12:3)
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
(*) The Pledge of Allegiance as recited in America is actually an oath of loyalty to the government, not the country - BIG difference.... "to the flag and to the republic for which it stands......"
: Saber Tue Aug 24, 2021 - 05:45:37
Sorry to say I received several time outs by our Lord and God since I last posted. Cardiac Arrest, which I am all to familiar with, yet our Lord and God does know just how to get my personal and exclusive attention. Never nothing simple but most profound, as I usually go forth as with blinders on, not really caring about details. Unfolding world events I was told to keep secret, which is easy to do, just say nothing. Yet again, as in the here and now of present world affairs, things are not only heating up, but time is running short as well. So short I need not care about what I say, as it has already been foretold by our Lord and God's very own words of bible prophecy by way of the book of Daniel and 2 Ezra.
Hard to understand the symbolic terms used throughout bible prophecy, unless, our Lord and God's most Holy Spirit spells things out most clearly in present day terms. Beyond all doubt, I am not the only one who has been given insight into present day world affairs. Just do a quick search of prophecy forums and you will find no end of those telling the latest they have received from our Lord and God about his personal judgments coming forth.
Giving all praise honor and glory to my Lord and God for being called into his personal service. Things have been kept most secret by those personally involved, various government officials, yet knowing all was related to bible prophecy. Just where is the law of our Lord and God to keep the right and proper understanding of bible prophecy most secret? It just doesn't exist! Yet again, those of false teaching and doctrinal understanding do not want the truth to be told. Just who wants to explain all the lies being brought forth? Even at the total loss and destruction of the USA by way of the wrath of our Lord and God coming forth in judgment. Just where did this all begin?
Time has allowed all to go around in a full circle. The events of 911 were blamed on terrorist in Afghanistan, was it not? The War on Terror was launched swiftly against these people who had nothing to do with 911. Totally false and misleading was any an all information about the events of 911, as it was planned by those currently in offices of power to bring it all about, THEMSELVES! Nothing is beyond knowing of and by our Lord and God. In spite of our Lord and God's personal warning, all was carried out as preplanned.
Now, and I personally mean right here and now, expect the full wrath of our Lord and God in judgment upon America to pour forth right where it all started. Afghanistan! Terror by way of the Beast and False Prophet rising up to extract the wrath of Satan upon one an all who had any part in the affairs of and since 911. America leading the way will pay the highest price. Satan and his minions know no grace, mercy and forgiveness, so expect far more than our Lord and God would have done in righteous judgment.
Bible prophecy spells this all out most plainly, one will reap what they have sowed. Is it not now already happening to those left behind? The hour of testing and trails has most fully begun.
You seem to be very sincere in your posts, but I submit its possible to be sincerely wrong.
Your basic premise is
gnostic - a long time heresy of the Christian church.
That particular form of gnosticism you claim as your own is
secret knowledge - knowledge
you say you've kept secret.The second problem I have with many people today is that they claim to be taught exclusively of the Holy Spirit. It is a basic axiom of education that
nobody learns by osmosis, yet Christians of all denominations seem to think they've got a lock on some sort of personal degree program from the Kingdom of Heaven. They don't, unless of course they submit themselves to formal education by certified instructors using approved textbooks.
Sorry about the rant. It's directed more at the audience here than at you. Most of your political jargon I agree with.
IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.The SINs of America are many. In times past it was the church that acted as a moral brake upon the excesses of our country. Today the church has become plastic - has adapted itself and approved of the ways of the world and society around us. As a result America has lost its conscience.
According to the Bible, divine judgment against a nation and a people takes two forms. First, God's protection is removed. Second, the people are allowed to do as they please without a conscience to slow their mad rush into SIN and WICKEDNESS and death.
On the first matter, God's protection of America does indeed seem to have been removed. In Afghanistan we have lost ANOTHER WAR. Abroad, other nations are meeting to decide how they will deal with American defeat and a future without American military guidance. American news media is reluctant to inform us of these meetings yet they are happening with increased rapidity.
On the second matter, all sorts of filthiness and wickedness is infecting America. We love violence and it has been brought home to us. It's on our streets and infiltrated our homes and even the halls of congress. We love corruption and foolishness. It has become part of our private conduct and governmental policy. It's been said, for example,
that if a man wants to go crazy he should move to Washington, DC where it will not be noticed. Fools rule everywhere in America but no more so than our nation's capital.
The church has become a plastic religion and is being judged. (1 Peter 4:17)
The church has embraced the ways of the world and rejected Jesus Christ its founder. Several major denominations have declared during their annual policy conventions that the Bible is no longer God's inspired Word for the world. As a result the Holy Spirit has departed from it. (1 Sam 4:21) The church is Ichabod. According to PEW and Gallup statistical poll analysis the number of regular attendance in our churches as determined by one worship service a month has fallen to 50% of 1948 levels in the year 2010. Projections of this decline if unabated will fall to 10% by the year 2050.
The church now fancies itself, like satan before it, on the very throne of God.
Pride goes before a fall and the rainbow flag, which is called pride by its followers, now flies on the property of many of our oldest churches. I've seen it as I'm sure you have too. The LAW of Moses, which is the foundation of Judeo-Christian religion morality and ethics, is rejected by most Christians. The result is that all sorts of doctrines of demons has been approved for dissemination to congregations than number fewer each year. Indeed, many Christians for many years now assert that the entire Tanakh (OT) ought to be stricken from the Bible.
We have entered a new dark age of censorship, ignorance and willful pride. Fools rule and they do not rule well. Everyone has their own opinion, which they regard with higher esteem than God's Word. Unfortunately they, like Eve and Adam before them, have feasted on the tree of Opinion. They have marched out of the garden of their own volition and proudly reject the God who gave them life. They shall have their reward and it will not be a good one.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
You get to tell God what He should do? rofl Maybe you need to be silent in your choir loft.
: Texas Conservative Tue Aug 24, 2021 - 07:45:30
You get to tell God what He should do? rofl Maybe you need to be silent in your choir loft.
I read the Bible and declare its LAW and mercy.
God doesn't care about your opinion - or mine either. It is our duty to seek and DO that which is the will of God as it is revealed in His Word.
Exactly how did you determine I've told God what to do?
Certainly no one can tell you what to do. Can they?
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Choir Loft Tue Aug 24, 2021 - 07:15:09
It is interesting that you write with a two-faced agenda.
On the one hand you admit with greater documentation than I presented - that the church DID persecute Jews. It has been my impression and persuasion that the church persecuted "the saints", which Revelation mentions . History declares gentiles as well as Jews were persecuted. That number in my recollection was between fifty and sixty millions of people. You quote the number as approximately one hundred twenty-five million. That's an interesting figure, something not to be ignored.
On the other hand, you falsely claim Jews did the same to gentiles without quoting any numbers or circumstances. Interestingly you provide NO documentation to certify that particular assertion. Part of the history of church discrimination against Jews was to claim Jewish persecution of gentiles. This is not part of the Jewish faith or any mitzvah, but it was indeed Vatican policy at one time. Indeed to this day the Vatican's position on religion is that its leader, the Pope, IS GOD. "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."
Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V.
I am not attempting to Judaize anyone.
I've stated over and over again that Jewish traditions DO NOT save anyone, but neither do Christian traditions. This is a fact oddly overlooked in your posts. Does Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, or Halloween ghosts goblins vampire and pumpkins sold by the truckload in front of our churches save anyone? C&E Christians think their rare appearances in holiday worship services will stamp their passport to heaven, but it won't. Christian tradition doesn't save anyone, yet you will not admit to this heresy without denigrating Jews in the process.
I do quote scripture and the context in which it is written.
It is no fault of mine that most Christians refuse good education and references with regard to learning about their religion. Those that join themselves to Christ submit to Him as their lord savior and King. Jesus, as clearly taught in the gospels, is the King of the Jews. Hence those who swear their allegiance to Him become Jews as well. It is so stated by Paul in Romans 2:29. Denial of this spiritual principle is more than dogma it is treachery against the King who offered Himself as a sacrifice for SINNERS. Millions have sworn their allegiance to the Pope of the RCC. When they do so they declare the Pope is their god, not Christ. Pope would be their spiritual head, not Christ. That to which one swears allegiance is that which is one's lord including but not limited to the flag of the government of the United States.(*)
The Bible nowhere certifies that blaspheme is allowed by God, yet Christians consistently behave as though it is. Believing the church has replaced Israel in the eyes of God is a blasphemous SIN. Its also a bare faced lie.
Attacking Jews is becoming the popular sport these days. Let the reader beware lest he or she become caught up in it for God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse it. (Genesis 12:3)
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
(*) The Pledge of Allegiance as recited in America is actually an oath of loyalty to the government, not the country - BIG difference.... "to the flag and to the republic for which it stands......"
I think you have some reader comprehension issues.
: Amo Sat Aug 28, 2021 - 13:48:45
I think you have some reader comprehension issues.
Pointless accusation. Be specific.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Saber Sat Jun 26, 2021 - 04:42:21
Since September 12th of 2001 I was placed under a form of modified house arrest by the FBI as a person of great interest. In May of 2001 I published a prophecy given to me by our Lord and God, Christ Jesus, on the most popular web site at that time on the www. Nothing I had ever considered myself, yet following the directive of my Lord and God, and laughing all the time in the personal effort it took to do so, I presented all that I was given. I was no less surprised than anyone else as 911 became reality, just as I had published earlier. Not being able to explain my new found gift of prophecy to the FBI, led to my being placed under this modified form of house arrest. Last February I was informed that I was now free to go and do as I pleased. Yet in pressing 72 years of age, just where am I to go and do as I please?
During these past twenty some odd years, I received many calls requesting my personal insight on various affairs, since the 911 prophecy was spot on. Expecting insight on various world affairs as they came along, so as to be best prepared for the outcome. Since 2015, I am not very well liked for the insight I had given on present world affairs. It goes against what most Christians now hold on to and believe about these last days.
The lesser of two evils is just that, especially when it comes to the standard election cycle. It does not matter whether the evil is seen as Democrat or Republican, nor some form of independent, yet it must be accepted as our present form of government. All claim to be different, yet there is never any real change to the status quo, for one an all are working toward the same goals and adjectives. A New World Order.
As for those who profess to be Christians, they presently fall into the classifications of Zionist, Neo-Cons and Armageddon Now movements, the likes of Israel First. Expecting that God is dependent upon their personal conduct and actions to establish the Kingdom of Heaven upon this whole earth. Once again, A New World Order. Nothing could be further from the truth.
At present, our Lord and God is standing by, just allowing world events to unfold as one an all have plans and designs to advance their own personal New World Order. Very soon, especially for those of the USA, divine intervention will be most needed as all spins out of control.
At present, world affairs match the book King James has removed from our present day bibles. "King James Bible or nothing else!", is the present spirit of strong delusion that is designed to leave one an all most unprepared for the wrath of our Lord and God that is about to blaze forth.
No where else in this present world has Satan a more powerful seat than right here in the USA.
Don't be caught off guard. Please stay alert an attentive to all Christ Jesus had to say about these last days of this present day and age.
Resting and giving all praise, honor and glory to our most eternal word, Christ Jesus, I pray.
I'm not familiar with the remarks you claim drew attention from the FBI. I'm not sure if you're bragging or complaining about that. Be that as it may I have a remark or too of my own to make.
The chief problem God seems to have with the United States is that of
PASSIVE INDIFFERENCE.
As far back as the late 1950's evangelists like Billy Graham and Oral Roberts broadcast sermons with a warning against
PASSIVE INDIFFERENCE toward God. America was drifting in that direction and they warned if nothing was done something dreadful would happen. On November 22, 1963 something dreadful did happen. It permanently and irrevocably altered the direction of American history and government.
In the late 1960's thru the mid-1970's something else of note happened. It was the period of the LAST Holy Spirit revival in America. Most church leaders did all they could to discourage those who were inspired by it. Many actively denied the Holy Spirit itself. Historically there had been a national revival in every generation, but the one that ended in the mid-70's was the last America would ever see. From that time forward the people of the United States began to spiral away from anything approaching respect for the Most High.
Passive indifference toward God is actually ACTIVE MALICE.Here in the twenty-first century America has gone beyond passive indifference into an attitude of overt hatred of God and disrespect of His saving grace. The attitude of active malice is no longer hidden.
"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death." - Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.
In the twenty-first century America is addicted to brutality and hedonism. The qualities of mercy and peace Jesus taught is passe. The application of LAW as presented by Moses and which at one time was the foundation of American society is nowhere respected. Even Christian churches reject it. Nobody accepts these attitudes as something worthy of pursuit. In the 1950's and early 1960's PEACE was actively sought. LAW was respected. Today it is totally and completely unknown among ourselves and our leaders. Bullets and bribes are the accepted tools of the American empire.
But the empire is showing severe signs of stress and possible collapse. We have LOST ANOTHER WAR and our financial prospects for the future are discouraging to say the least.
In all of this, NO church presents REPENTANCE as a viable source of God's mercy. We certainly need help from providence, but we won't get it until and unless we REPENT of our SINs and wickedness.
Are we living in the Last Days of human history? Maybe we are and maybe we aren't. One thing is certain. We ARE living in the last days of the American Empire.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
: Amo Sun Jul 18, 2021 - 09:26:55
Sounds more like the resurrection to me, and the future kingdom of Israel which will be in the presence of God forever. Where is king David in Israel now and forever, as Eze 37 testifies? Where is God's sanctuary in the midst of Israel now and forever, as it testifies. Why are they still sinners as Eze 37 seems to suggest they will no longer be? Why are they still under attack from so many, recently having 2000 misses launched at them, when your prophecy says the all the heathen will know that they are the Lord's sanctified? Of course this is said to be because God's sanctuary is in the midst of them for evermore. It is not with them now, so how can this prophecy be fulfilled as you claim?
The church is in decline as predicted by Christ. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles
until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. - Luke 21:24b
Consult the numbers as well as current events to discover how this prophecy is being fulfilled before our eyes.
According to PEW statistics, protestant church attendance defined as one visit per month has decline to 16% of the American population this year (2022). The decline has been steady since 1967.
Overall church attendance, including RCC churches has declined to 43% of the population. This means that the majority of
Americans DO NOT attend church on a regular basis. Numbers don't lie.
The church is shrinking dramatically. Europe is acknowledged as being completely secularized. In Asia, ancient ritualistic religious are experiencing a resurgence. Missionaries to Japan have informed me that church efforts to evangelize have stalled and in some places reversed. In South America, I have witnessed with my own eyes a return to native religions. Missionaries to the same region have corroborated my experience. Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet and is gaining many new members directly from the church. (Confirmed by PEW statistics.)
American protestant churches are adopting humanistic ideologies - exchanging the gospel for situational ethics. The Gay Authority has invaded many of our major denominations and perverted the message of Christ with its own tinsel thin slogans and dogma. For example, the following words appeared on the bulletin of a Methodist church in NY State for its Easter Sunday celebration. It's supposed to be a dedication prayer, "Let us flitter and fly like butterflies on the wings of the Risen Christ." Christ is not a part of this except as an after-thought.
Demonic music has invaded church entertainment. Unfortunately I'm not allowed to mention the specific groups that perform this rubbish having been warned against it by moderators in various places. Suffice to say that many who are reading this may have also noticed the tendency to allow humanistic lyrics in their songs. Where has the praise of God gone?
Shall I also mention the continued sexual aberrations of church leaders of all denominations? The scandals are so common these days nobody pays attention to it, yet it continues unabated.
Respect once granted to the church has evaporated. The Gay Authority is now immune to criticism - an esteemed position once enjoyed by the church.
Shall I go on or are these items sufficient to prove the prediction of Christ to be fulfilled in our time and in our generation?
Jerusalem was indeed trodden down by the gentiles UNTIL THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES WAS FULFILLED. That time arrived in June 1967 when the IDF liberated the city.
If the establishment of the State of Israel was a landmark in the fulfillment of ancient prophecy, then the liberation of the city of Jerusalem by the Jewish IDF is another. The withering of the gentile church is at hand. The fulfillment of prophecy is upon us whether we like it or not - whether we attempt to disprove it or not.
"If I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible what was the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our (Russian) people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: '
Men had forgotten God; that is why all this has happened.' " ― Alexander Solzhenitsyn
The decline of America began on November 22, 1963 by direction of agencies of our own government. It has further eroded since then.
"On 16 September 1985, when the Commerce Department announced that the United States had become a debtor nation, the American Empire died." - Gore Vidal
On October 26, 2001 following the false flag attacks a month earlier, the US congress began to institute laws de-ratifying constitutional guarantees of liberty granted by the Bill of Rights. Judgment is upon us.
Refusal to admit REPENTANCE is needed will not reverse the trend. Do our churches preach repentance? Most do not.
IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.(Shanghai curse, 1937)
Indeed Judgement IS upon us at this very moment.
It is time to repent.
THAT is the only subject worthy of discussion today.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
PS
The aforementioned Shanghai curse has often been attributed to Ruth Graham, wife of the noted evangelist, who was born in Shanghai. According to my research the source was a missionary who served in the city who may have had contact with Mrs. Graham during her youth. The phrase was written in a letter to missionary authorities in the United States at that time. Regardless of the source it is being fulfilled today. May God have mercy upon those who fear Him in America.