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Matthew 24:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

I asked the question to my class at church as its clear that the internet has reached across the globe, and even Russia, China and even in the wilds of Africa you can see the truth. I don't see what more is needed unless you practically read the words of scripture to each and every individual, which I don't think is what Christ meant. What are your thoughts.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

The main point of the everlasting gospel, is to bring as many as possible back to worshiping the creator, in anticipation of the judgment of all pertaining to the same. While the gospel of Jesus Christ is more available on a global scale today perhaps than ever before, some countries still restrict it, and many people simply have no motivation to examine it. To the contrary, many are deterred by family or government. Nevertheless, the scriptures depict a time when all of humanity will be faced with a choice between true worship of God, or the worship of the beast and or his image. This after the kings and most inhabitants of the earth have been made to drink and become drunk with the wine of Babylon, who compels them to set up the abomination of desolation in the place of the holy, that is to worship the beast over and above our Creator. The difference between the saints and those who worship the beast is that the former keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, while the latter only profess the faith while bowing down to the abomination of desolation, which will be the mark or sign of worshiping the beast.

All of which of course centers around the commandments of God and the fourth commandment in particular. Which commandment calls all to worship the true Creator of heaven and earth, who Himself spoke the commandments to humanity with His own mouth, and wrote them in tables of stone twice with His own finger. The abomination of desolation being that spurious man made sabbath, being set up in place of God's holy sabbath by those who only profess the faith of Jesus Christ but do not keep the commandments of God, forced upon all through civil legislation. The acceptance of which is the sign or mark of the beast.

In the above manner, the simplicity of the everlasting gospel will not only be preached to all humanity, but all of humanity will be forced to consider the issues involved and make a decision regarding them. Who will we worship and therefore serve, God or man. Christ who became human to reveal God to us, or Satan who tempted humanity to sin against Him.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made........
14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Col 1:13  Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

There will be no in between when our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ returns. All will have made their choice to either worship and serve the Creator, or worship and serve the created, which is simply worship of self.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. 25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Rev 12:7  And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. 13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The everlasting gospel of Jesus Christ, is all about bringing humanity back to willing and loving submission to the authority of God who has proved His benevolence in and through His Son Jesus Christ. Submission to the one who created and sustains us and all life. The fourth commandment of God calls all to do just that. In its acceptance or rejection, humanity does and will accept or reject God revealed to us through Jesus Christ. Therefore has God determined that this issue becomes front and center to all of humanity in one generation before He returns to end the sin problem.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The above basic element of faith, will be accepted or rejected by all of humanity in one generation before the end comes. Therefore will the fourth commandment, or not, become central to that decision for everyone as well.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Millions upon millions have died without ever hearing the gospel, namely the indigenous peoples of land masses separated by bodies of water.

: Alan  Sun Jul 04, 2021 - 16:04:40
Millions upon millions have died without ever hearing the gospel, namely the indigenous peoples of land masses separated by bodies of water.

Alan this is absolutely true, not only now, but before Christ even more so.

Brother, I believe in regeneration WITHOUT MEANS, namely, God regenerates sinners and THEN the gospel comes TO THEM, or, it may NEVER COME~the gospel is the means of EDUCATING SINNERS concerning spiritual truths, for their practical salvation of enjoying God's best while they are now living in the flesh by submitting to his will as they hear the gospel and believe, repent, and their faith increases over time, etc. 

The gospel now has more or less reached the entirely of the world through modern witty inventions of man. There may be some areas that have not heard, but overall all have heard so it can be said truly the gospel has gone into all the world, or religions of the world~ before the last fifty years that could not have been said and be true.

: Alan  Sun Jul 04, 2021 - 16:04:40
Millions upon millions have died without ever hearing the gospel, namely the indigenous peoples of land masses separated by bodies of water.

Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

: Alan  Sun Jul 04, 2021 - 16:04:40
Millions upon millions have died without ever hearing the gospel, namely the indigenous peoples of land masses separated by bodies of water.

We do not know how God has worked with those who were far from any source of the gospel, as there are many stories how they were reached by what can only be angelic sources and dreams and other divine manifestations. We wont know and see these events till we get to the heavenly kingdom and see the whole history of the earth and Gods work here.

: Amo  Mon Jul 05, 2021 - 08:11:10
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Amo, this is true, but this does not truly address Alan's statement. All this is saying in Romans 2 is to a certain degree (though corrupt as it may be) even sinners show the work at creation when God wrote his laws upon Adam's heart, whereby, his children after him do by nature certain things that are contained in God's law, though with corrupt motives and selfish ends.

: RB  Sat Jul 31, 2021 - 08:13:45
Amo, this is true, but this does not truly address Alan's statement. All this is saying in Romans 2 is to a certain degree (though corrupt as it may be) even sinners show the work at creation when God wrote his laws upon Adam's heart, whereby, his children after him do by nature certain things that are contained in God's law, though with corrupt motives and selfish ends.

I disagree. The context is exactly about the judgment of God as apposed to the faulty judgement of humanity.

Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

The Holy Spirit of God convicts all hearts and minds of sin, as I personally experienced before ever knowing God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Those who have not had opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ will no doubt be judged by their response to these convictions in favor of or against their intended effect. As the above scriptures testify in direct relation the day of God's judgment of humanity by Jesus Christ our Lord. The Gentiles referred to in the above verses are said to be a law unto themselves because they "shew the work of the law written in their hearts". This is one of the exact purposes of the new covenant established in and by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Far be it from God the Father revealed to us through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to condemn those who never had opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, yet submitted to and obeyed the law of God by way of conviction from the Holy Spirit of God. As the scripture under examination states, they "shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness". The following verses are as applicable to professed Christians today, as they were to the Jews of Paul's day.

Rom 2:28  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Why would God condemn those who have rightly responded to the convictions of the Holy Spirit of God upon their lives, because they never had opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ? Is it not obvious, that they would have accepted the same given the opportunity? It is certainly not beyond God, to know what decision those who never had opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, would have made if they had. To the contrary, the scriptures we are now examining and addressing reveal some of that exact process.

: Amo  Sat Jul 31, 2021 - 09:35:30I disagree. The context is exactly about the judgment of God as apposed to the faulty judgement of humanity.

Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

The Holy Spirit of God convicts all hearts and minds of sin, as I personally experienced before ever knowing God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Those who have not had opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ will no doubt be judged by their response to these convictions in favor of or against their intended effect. As the above scriptures testify in direct relation the day of God's judgment of humanity by Jesus Christ our Lord. The Gentiles referred to in the above verses are said to be a law unto themselves because they "shew the work of the law written in their hearts". This is one of the exact purposes of the new covenant established in and by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Far be it from God the Father revealed to us through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to condemn those who never had opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, yet submitted to and obeyed the law of God by way of conviction from the Holy Spirit of God. As the scripture under examination states, they "shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness". The following verses are as applicable to professed Christians today, as they were to the Jews of Paul's day.

Rom 2:28  For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Why would God condemn those who have rightly responded to the convictions of the Holy Spirit of God upon their lives, because they never had opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ? Is it not obvious, that they would have accepted the same given the opportunity? It is certainly not beyond God, to know what decision those who never had opportunity to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, would have made if they had. To the contrary, the scriptures we are now examining and addressing reveal some of that exact process.

We see how He worked before the written word of the scriptures, so far be it from us to limit what He can do...

: Hobie  Sat Jul 03, 2021 - 17:56:24Matthew 24:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

I asked the question to my class at church as its clear that the internet has reached across the globe, and even Russia, China and even in the wilds of Africa you can see the truth. I don't see what more is needed unless you practically read the words of scripture to each and every individual, which I don't think is what Christ meant. What are your thoughts.

That is very true. And every once in a long while... decades apart ... we will hear of some isolated tribe that barely can start a fire, much less have heard of the Gospel;, so what does that mean for "Preaching to all Nations?"

Does the following stop our looking forward to the end when there will be another at some point.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/inside-story-john-allen-chaus-ill-fated-trip-remote-island-180970971/

Inside the Story of John Allen Chau's Ill-Fated Trip to a Remote Island
Questions abound about the ethics of the missionary's trip and what will happen next

Tim Sohn

December 7, 2018

Or.... is it that preaching to each individual is not what matters so long as the nations are?

You will never get everyone in every nation to believe... but if the offer is on the table, is that enough?

: Rella  Thu Dec 07, 2023 - 12:04:15That is very true. And every once in a long while... decades apart ... we will hear of some isolated tribe that barely can start a fire, much less have heard of the Gospel;, so what does that mean for "Preaching to all Nations?"

Does the following stop our looking forward to the end when there will be another at some point.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/inside-story-john-allen-chaus-ill-fated-trip-remote-island-180970971/

Inside the Story of John Allen Chau's Ill-Fated Trip to a Remote Island
Questions abound about the ethics of the missionary's trip and what will happen next

Tim Sohn

December 7, 2018

Or.... is it that preaching to each individual is not what matters so long as the nations are?

You will never get everyone in every nation to believe... but if the offer is on the table, is that enough?

That is where Gods justice is combined with mercy, and He makes a decision. And who is better suited to do it...

: Rella  Thu Dec 07, 2023 - 12:04:15You will never get everyone in every nation to believe... but if the offer is on the table, is that enough?

God does not "offer" the gospel to sinners, if he only did so, then no one would come to the knowledge of the truth.

God must go before the gospel comes to a certain location and by his Almighty power, ( the very same power that resurrected Jesus from the dead ) give spiritual life to sinners who are at enmity against him, for if he does not, then the men who bring the gospel to any area, remote or not, life would be in danger.

God does not "offer" the gospel to sinners

Luke 5:31 And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."

Let the scriptures do the talking.

: Red Baker  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 04:10:41God does not "offer" the gospel to sinners, if he only did so, then no one would come to the knowledge of the truth.

God must go before the gospel comes to a certain location and by his Almighty power, ( the very same power that resurrected Jesus from the dead ) give spiritual life to sinners who are at enmity against him, for if he does not, then the men who bring the gospel to any area, remote or not, life would be in danger.

What does this mean then?

Matthew 24:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

: Rella  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 08:46:32What does this mean then?

Matthew 24:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Paul already told us when this was fulfilled, back in Colossians 1:5-6.

"...the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit..."

And in Colossians 1:23, "...the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister."

And in Romans 16:25-26, "...according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets according to the commandment of the everlasting God made known to all nations for the obedience of faith..."

As you have suggested, Rella, this worldwide proclamation of the gospel in all nations does not necessarily mean that every single living person on the globe would be required to hear the gospel in order for this prediction to be fulfilled before the end would come.  The condition was that all the nations of the known world would have had some degree of exposure to the gospel.

This Matthew 24:13-15 verse is the same thing spoken about in Revelation 10:7. "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."  This was the "end" that would come when the seventh angel sounded, just after the mystery of God had been revealed to all nations. 

And Romans 16:25-26 said this had already been accomplished in the first century.
That means the "end" which Christ spoke of in Matthew 24:13-15 has also already come back in the first century.

: 3 Resurrections  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 11:03:01Paul already told us when this was fulfilled, back in Colossians 1:5-6.

"...the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit..."

And in Colossians 1:23, "...the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister."

And in Romans 16:25-26, "...according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets according to the commandment of the everlasting God made known to all nations for the obedience of faith..."

As you have suggested, Rella, this worldwide proclamation of the gospel in all nations does not necessarily mean that every single living person on the globe would be required to hear the gospel in order for this prediction to be fulfilled before the end would come.  The condition was that all the nations of the known world would have had some degree of exposure to the gospel.

This Matthew 24:13-15 verse is the same thing spoken about in Revelation 10:7. "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."  This was the "end" that would come when the seventh angel sounded, just after the mystery of God had been revealed to all nations. 

And Romans 16:25-26 said this had already been accomplished in the first century.
That means the "end" which Christ spoke of in Matthew 24:13-15 has also already come back in the first century.

So.  The Navajo and the Cheyenne and the Aztec all had the gospel preached to them in the first century? 

Really? 

What about that tribe on a remote Philippine island that literally had no outside contact since before the time of Abraham?  They only heard the gospel in the middle of the last century. Fortunately, most of them are now believers. 

: DaveW  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 12:01:36So.  The Navajo and the Cheyenne and the Aztec all had the gospel preached to them in the first century? 

Really? 

You haven't heard of the Nephites and Lamanites seeing Jesus in the Americas in the 1st century?   ::headscratch::

: DaveW  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 12:01:36So.  The Navajo and the Cheyenne and the Aztec all had the gospel preached to them in the first century? 

Really? 

What about that tribe on a remote Philippine island that literally had no outside contact since before the time of Abraham?  They only heard the gospel in the middle of the last century. Fortunately, most of them are now believers. 

Apparently you aren't willing to take Paul's word for the truth about this evangelistic coverage of all the nations back in the first century. Why is that?

Don't forget the abilities of the resurrected Matthew 27:52-53 saints back in those days (and anyone else bodily raised to life again by Christ or the disciples).  Those resurrected saints didn't have the normal restrictions upon them that believers do before death.  They would have been able to travel to remote distances and in a manner that the disciples back then would not have been capable of.  No sickness or danger of dying again, falling prey to error or demonic oppression, no urgent need of physical sustenance, etc.. 

It is not beyond reason to believe that these bodily-resurrected saints were a major part of the answer Christ told His disciples to pray - that the Lord of the harvest would send forth reapers into the harvest.   By Paul's testimony and that of Romans, God did that very thing before that "end" came back in the first century.

: 3 Resurrections  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 15:27:28Apparently you aren't willing to take Paul's word for the truth about this evangelistic coverage of all the nations back in the first century. Why is that?

Don't forget the abilities of the resurrected Matthew 27:52-53 saints back in those days (and anyone else bodily raised to life again by Christ or the disciples).  Those resurrected saints didn't have the normal restrictions upon them that believers do before death.  They would have been able to travel to remote distances and in a manner that the disciples back then would not have been capable of.  No sickness or danger of dying again, falling prey to error or demonic oppression, no urgent need of physical sustenance, etc.. 

It is not beyond reason to believe that these bodily-resurrected saints were a major part of the answer Christ told His disciples to pray - that the Lord of the harvest would send forth reapers into the harvest.   By Paul's testimony and that of Romans, God did that very thing before that "end" came back in the first century.

WOW, 3Rs

Truly, my friend, you never cease to amaze me with ideas.

I wont say you are wrong on this... but for me it is a stretch

: 3 Resurrections  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 15:27:28Apparently you aren't willing to take Paul's word for the truth about this evangelistic coverage of all the nations back in the first century. Why is that?

Since "all nations" weren't accessible or even discovered at the time, yet inhabited, it's best to understand the best intentions of the author but at the same time, realize the flaws in the literature. 

: yogi bear  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 08:26:55Luke 5:31 And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance."

Let the scriptures do the talking.

Yogi, I did!

The verse you quoted above, is not revealing how sinners are born again, those two scriptures is a declaration of a truth, both naturally and spiritually.

The only offering we read about in the scriptures is when Christ offered himself unto God. 

Hebrews 10:12~"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;"

Sinners are dead in trepasses and sins, they need life in order to see, hear, and believe! What does an offering do for such people?  Not one thing.

Why not go into any funeral home in Kansas, Oklahoma, and speak to a person that is dead and say to him: Sir, I'll give you life if you would only just believe and receive this offer ~ and believing as you do, you and add water baptism!  Offers means nothing to a person who is dead and who also is at enmity against what you know will help him!

If you have a verse of scripture ( just one would do )  that would prove that you are commanded to  offer any Tom, Dick and Harry, ( or, just provide an example )  eternal life by you offering Christ to them as though, through their power, could accept such an offering. I would love to see it, for I have never seen such and knowing the scriptures overall and knowing the depraved nature of man ~I know that no such offering would do them any good whatsoever~as a matter of truth it would be pure foolishness to them, and they are subject to turn on you, for even thinking that they are so weak minded as to believe in such foolishness. They think much more highly of themselves as to believe in such things. I think I have scriptures supporting my understanding so much more than you do, since you have have none.

: Alan  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 22:52:27Since "all nations" weren't accessible or even discovered at the time, yet inhabited, it's best to understand the best intentions of the author but at the same time, realize the flaws in the literature.

I think it meant all the known world, it could not have meant every single nation ( or kindred if you will ) on the earth at that time. I could be wrong, It just does not seem feasible, or possible in such a short time. I do not accept 3 Resurrections concerning the resurrected saints carrying out his mission ~ that's using one's imagination more so than using scriptures to prove a position. 

: Rella  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 08:46:32What does this mean then?

Matthew 24:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Well, it said nothing of offering Christ to sinners.

To me, all it said is the gospel shall be preached in all nations, and then shall come the end, sometimes afterwards, the exact time is hidden from us.

Since the inventions of the printing press, then Radio, and TV and even more so the internet, the gospel has indeed been preached in all the world as never before. 

: Hobie  Thu Dec 07, 2023 - 10:20:29We see how He worked before the written word of the scriptures, so far be it from us to limit what He can do...

Truly Hobie, what does this have to do with you question to me and then my answer back to you?

: Alan  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 22:52:27Since "all nations" weren't accessible or even discovered at the time, yet inhabited, it's best to understand the best intentions of the author but at the same time, realize the flaws in the literature.

Could you clarify what you mean by "flaws in the literature"?  Do you mean flaws in our translations of what Paul originally said?  Or flaws in Paul's own understanding when his words were originally written? 

Since we as believers are to base our arguments on the inspiration of the scriptures, it doesn't seem a good argument to presume that Paul didn't know what he was talking about. 

If Paul and the author of Romans wrote that the gospel had gone into all nations, into all the world, etc., this is pretty clear that the terms of Christ's statement in Matthew 24:14 were fulfilled back in the first century in Paul's days.  All the NT scriptures unite to present an imminent end that was to come in the Apostles' own days.  Like Peter in 1 Peter 4:7 saying, "the end of all things is at hand". 

: Red Baker  Sat Dec 09, 2023 - 04:13:05To me, all it said is the gospel shall be preached in all nations, and then shall come the end, sometimes afterwards, the exact time is hidden from us.

Since the inventions of the printing press, then Radio, and TV and even more so the internet, the gospel has indeed been preached in all the world as never before. 

Red, here is where you are crippled again when you disregard the original Greek term in Matthew 24:14 when Christ said "and THEN the end will come".  The Greek word for "THEN" is "tote" which means "AT THAT TIME" - the same time when the gospel had been preached in all the habitable world to all nations.

Paul wrote that this had been fulfilled.  Therefore "AT THAT TIME" the end came, just as Christ promised. 

: Red Baker  Sat Dec 09, 2023 - 04:02:06I do not accept 3 Resurrections concerning the resurrected saints carrying out his mission ~ that's using one's imagination more so than using scriptures to prove a position. 

If you don't accept my statement about the resurrected saints helping to carry out this evangelistic mission to all the nations, why don't you accept Paul's?  He wrote in Ephesians that the "multitude of captives" which Christ led out of the grave on the day when He "ascended on high" (the same as the Matthew 27:52-53 saints) were given as "gifts to men", in order to help perfect the saints for the work of the ministry, and for the  edifying of the body of Christ (Ephesians 4:8-12).  The roles they filled were apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers.
 

: Red Baker  Sat Dec 09, 2023 - 03:41:31Yogi, I did!

The verse you quoted above, is not revealing how sinners are born again, those two scriptures is a declaration of a truth, both naturally and spiritually.

The only offering we read about in the scriptures is when Christ offered himself unto God. 
Sinners are dead in trepasses and sins, they need life in order to see, hear, and believe! What does an offering do for such people?  Not one thing.

Why not go into any funeral home in Kansas, Oklahoma, and speak to a person that is dead and say to him: Sir, I'll give you life if you would only just believe and receive this offer ~ and believing as you do, you and add water baptism!  Offers means nothing to a person who is dead and who also is at enmity against what you know will help him!

If you have a verse of scripture ( just one would do )  that would prove that you are commanded to  offer any Tom, Dick and Harry, ( or, just provide an example )  eternal life by you offering Christ to them as though, through their power, could accept such an offering. I would love to see it, for I have never seen such and knowing the scriptures overall and knowing the depraved nature of man ~I know that no such offering would do them any good whatsoever~as a matter of truth it would be pure foolishness to them, and they are subject to turn on you, for even thinking that they are so weak minded as to believe in such foolishness. They think much more highly of themselves as to believe in such things. I think I have scriptures supporting my understanding so much more than you do, since you have have none.

Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Mathew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Why not go into any funeral home in Kansas, Oklahoma, and speak to a person that is dead and say to him: Sir, I'll give you life if you would only just believe and receive this offer ~ and believing as you do, you and add water baptism!  Offers means nothing to a person who is dead and who also is at enmity against what you know will help him!

Red you really do not understand what dead to sin means it is not physical death but spiritually dead. The person is still alive and fully capable of hearing the gospel and understanding. The dead to sin is a separation from God but still able to hear the gospel when it is brought forth and respond.

Salvation comes from obeying the gospel call which is sent by people teaching it to others as told in Romans 10:14,15

It is the gospel sent out to all the world that has the power to save.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Perhaps Col 1:5&6 from some different versions can help clear up the erroneous idea presented, that the gospel had already been preached in all the world in the first century since our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel 6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God's grace.(NIV)

5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the [c]gospel, 6 which is come unto you; even as it is also in all the world bearing fruit and increasing, as it doth in you also, since the day ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth;(ASV)

5 because of the [confident] hope [of experiencing that] which is reserved and waiting for you in heaven. You previously heard of this hope in the message of truth, the gospel [regarding salvation] 6 which has come to you. Indeed, just as in the whole world the gospel is constantly bearing fruit and spreading [by God's power], just as it has been doing among you ever since the day you first heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth [becoming thoroughly and deeply acquainted with it].(AB)

5 Because of the hope [of experiencing what is] laid up ([d]reserved and waiting) for you in heaven. Of this [hope] you heard in the past in the message of the truth of the Gospel,
6 Which has come to you. Indeed, in the whole world [that Gospel] is bearing fruit and still is growing [e][by its own inherent power], even as it has done among yourselves ever since the day you first heard and came to know and understand the grace of God in truth. [You came to know the grace or undeserved favor of God in reality, deeply and clearly and thoroughly, becoming accurately and intimately acquainted with it.](AB,CE)

5 Both spring from the confident hope that you will receive what is stored up for you in heaven. You heard of this earlier in the message about the truth. This Good News 6 has made its presence felt among you, just as it is also being fruitful and multiplying[a] throughout the world in the same way as it has among you since the day you heard and understood the grace of God as it really is.(CJB)

5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven. Of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as indeed in the whole world it is bearing fruit and increasing—as it also does among you, since the day you heard it and understood the grace of God in truth,(ESV)

5 For the [e]hope's sake, which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye have heard before by the word of truth, which is the Go 6 Which is come unto you, even as it is unto all the world, and is fruitful as it is also among you from the day that ye heard and truly knew the grace of God,(1599 GB)

5 because of the hope reserved for you in [g]heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, [h]the gospel 6 which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is bearing fruit and [j]increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard it and [k]understood the grace of God in truth;(NASB)

5 for the hope that is kept to you in heavens. Which ye heard in the word of truth of the gospel, 6 that came to you, as also it is in all the world, and maketh fruit, and waxeth, as [it is] in you, from that day in which ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth.(WB)

The gospel message was going into all the world, it had not already gone into all the world.

: Amo  Sat Dec 09, 2023 - 12:29:22Perhaps Col 1:5&6 from some different versions can help clear up the erroneous idea presented, that the gospel had already been preached in all the world in the first century since our Lord Jesus Christ.

5 the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel 6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God's grace.(NIV)

5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the [c]gospel, 6 which is come unto you; even as it is also in all the world bearing fruit and increasing, as it doth in you also, since the day ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth;(ASV)

5 because of the [confident] hope [of experiencing that] which is reserved and waiting for you in heaven. You previously heard of this hope in the message of truth, the gospel [regarding salvation] 6 which has come to you. Indeed, just as in the whole world the gospel is constantly bearing fruit and spreading [by God's power], just as it has been doing among you ever since the day you first heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth [becoming thoroughly and deeply acquainted with it].(AB)

5 Because of the hope [of experiencing what is] laid up ([d]reserved and waiting) for you in heaven. Of this [hope] you heard in the past in the message of the truth of the Gospel,
6 Which has come to you. Indeed, in the whole world [that Gospel] is bearing fruit and still is growing [e][by its own inherent power], even as it has done among yourselves ever since the day you first heard and came to know and understand the grace of God in truth. [You came to know the grace or undeserved favor of God in reality, deeply and clearly and thoroughly, becoming accurately and intimately acquainted with it.](AB,CE)

5 Both spring from the confident hope that you will receive what is stored up for you in heaven. You heard of this earlier in the message about the truth. This Good News 6 has made its presence felt among you, just as it is also being fruitful and multiplying[a] throughout the world in the same way as it has among you since the day you heard and understood the grace of God as it really is.(CJB)

5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven. Of this you have heard before in the word of the truth, the gospel, 6 which has come to you, as indeed in the whole world it is bearing fruit and increasing—as it also does among you, since the day you heard it and understood the grace of God in truth,(ESV)

5 For the [e]hope's sake, which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye have heard before by the word of truth, which is the Go 6 Which is come unto you, even as it is unto all the world, and is fruitful as it is also among you from the day that ye heard and truly knew the grace of God,(1599 GB)

5 because of the hope reserved for you in [g]heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, [h]the gospel 6 which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is bearing fruit and [j]increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard it and [k]understood the grace of God in truth;(NASB)

5 for the hope that is kept to you in heavens. Which ye heard in the word of truth of the gospel, 6 that came to you, as also it is in all the world, and maketh fruit, and waxeth, as [it is] in you, from that day in which ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth.(WB)

The gospel message was going into all the world, it had not already gone into all the world.

Amo, your statement is totally contradictory.  None of these verse translations differ in their intended meaning.  If Paul said the gospel was bearing fruit in all the world, that means the gospel had already gone into all the world. 

It's just as in the parable of the four different types of ground in which the "seed" of the gospel was sown.  Just because some of the ground never bore fruit does not mean that the gospel was not sown in that section of ground.  The fruit of the gospel being produced in all the world is evidence of the world having been exposed to that gospel message. 

Christ's statement regarding when the "end" came did not require that every single individual in the world hear the gospel message before the end.  Christ's statement was that the gospel would be preached in all the nations of the world, and when that was done, the end would come.  This statement of Christ's would still have been fulfilled if only a single person in each nation had heard the gospel preached in the first century. 

The great commission given by Christ was to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.  The disciples diligently labored to do this - especially Paul who said he had "labored more abundantly than them all".  As a result, this world-wide evangelistic coverage Paul said had been accomplished in his own days.  And the predicted "end" came at that time, as promised by Christ.   

: yogi bear  Sat Dec 09, 2023 - 10:49:58Romans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Mathew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Red you really do not understand what dead to sin means it is not physical death but spiritually dead. The person is still alive and fully capable of hearing the gospel and understanding. The dead to sin is a separation from God but still able to hear the gospel when it is brought forth and respond.

Salvation comes from obeying the gospel call which is sent by people teaching it to others as told in Romans 10:14,15

It is the gospel sent out to all the world that has the power to save.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

yogi, I love getting folks like you talking, because once I can get you going, all it does is to give me some ammunition needed to help me to prove my point even better than if you keep silence. Thank you for responding.

: yogi bearRomans 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Mathew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

These two portions of scriptures do nothing to support your position, that sinners are born again by the scriptures being preached. We agree that God's word, testimony from his written word are the means of educating, informing his elect concerning the truths of the gospel. More on this truth when we look at Romans 1:16 which you quoted. Thank you for doing so.

: yogi bearRed you really do not understand what dead to sin means it is not physical death but spiritually dead. The person is still alive and fully capable of hearing the gospel and understanding. The dead to sin is a separation from God but still able to hear the gospel when it is brought forth and respond.

Yogi my man, I understand it much better than you do. Let Paul tell us what spiritual death is in comparison to physical death. The similarity are the same, do not accept by understanding of this, but you must accept God's truth considering this. Please consider carefully:

Ephesians 1:18-20~"The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,  And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Yogi, the same power needed in raising Christ from the dead is the same power which resurrects sinners from being dead in sins and trepasses!

Was Christ dead for three days and three nights? Could he during that period hear any voices, as you believe sinners can hear the truths of the gospel? No, Jesus was dead in the grave for three full days and three nights, during which he could not hear voices speaking to him, impossible ~ neither can sinners hear hear and perceive spiritual truths until they are first giving life to do so, by the same power that resurrected CHrist from the dead.

: yogi bearIt is the gospel sent out to all the world that has the power to save.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Yogi, you are not hearing what Paul is saying. The gospel is the power of God only for one that has the power to believe, to all others it is pure foolishness! Listen carefully if you can: Romans 1:16~ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth....and to no thers! Verse seventeen gives us more light as to what Paul is saying:

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The reason why the gospel is the power of God unto believers is that therein is God's righteousness revealed as to how one is made righteousness before God. That being said please consider more: the truths of the gospels are revealed ONLY from a person who has faith to another person who has faith! From faith to faith! You should never get that order confused.  Impossible to reveal God's righteousness that he requires from a person who has faith to a person not yet born of God, it will never works. It is foolishness and will always be so, until a person is given life to see and understand such wonderful truths.

1st Corinthians 1:18~"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."

This scriptures helps to interpret Romans 1:16.

Dead to sin as in Romans 6 is really neither physical death nor spiritual death. Rather it is freedom from sin. It means having nothing to do with sin.  It is separation of sin.

: 3 Resurrections  Sat Dec 09, 2023 - 08:50:26Red, here is where you are crippled again when you disregard the original Greek term in Matthew 24:14 when Christ said "and THEN the end will come".  The Greek word for "THEN" is "tote" which means "AT THAT TIME" - the same time when the gospel had been preached in all the habitable world to all nations.

Paul wrote that this had been fulfilled.  Therefore "AT THAT TIME" the end came, just as Christ promised.

Either way, it truly does not change the meaning. After the gospel has gone in every known nations, which truly cannot be said until the inventions of those things I mentioned above.

: 3 ResurrectionsIf you don't accept my statement about the resurrected saints helping to carry out this evangelistic mission to all the nations, why don't you accept Paul's?  He wrote in Ephesians that the "multitude of captives" which Christ led out of the grave on the day when He "ascended on high" (the same as the Matthew 27:52-53 saints) were given as "gifts to men", in order to help perfect the saints for the work of the ministry, and for the  edifying of the body of Christ (Ephesians 4:8-12).  The roles they filled were apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers.

Let me get back with you on these scriptures which I'm convinced you are not understanding them properly, but I will carefully consider them before saying a word, to make sure I'm not missing something I should be seeing.

: 3 Resurrections  Sat Dec 09, 2023 - 14:15:18Amo, your statement is totally contradictory.  None of these verse translations differ in their intended meaning.  If Paul said the gospel was bearing fruit in all the world, that means the gospel had already gone into all the world. 

It's just as in the parable of the four different types of ground in which the "seed" of the gospel was sown.  Just because some of the ground never bore fruit does not mean that the gospel was not sown in that section of ground.  The fruit of the gospel being produced in all the world is evidence of the world having been exposed to that gospel message. 

Christ's statement regarding when the "end" came did not require that every single individual in the world hear the gospel message before the end.  Christ's statement was that the gospel would be preached in all the nations of the world, and when that was done, the end would come.  This statement of Christ's would still have been fulfilled if only a single person in each nation had heard the gospel preached in the first century. 

The great commission given by Christ was to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.  The disciples diligently labored to do this - especially Paul who said he had "labored more abundantly than them all".  As a result, this world-wide evangelistic coverage Paul said had been accomplished in his own days.  And the predicted "end" came at that time, as promised by Christ.   

You are of course entitled to believe as you wish. Go to, preach and teach that the gospel was already given to the entire world in the days of the apostles, and the world has already ended. I will continue to preach the everlasting gospel  and warn people of the judgment to come according to holy scripture.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

And the teachings of my Lord.

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear........
47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.........
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other............
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

And according to the teachings of the apostle Paul as well.

1Co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

: Red Baker  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 04:10:41God does not "offer" the gospel to sinners, if he only did so, then no one would come to the knowledge of the truth.

God must go before the gospel comes to a certain location and by his Almighty power, ( the very same power that resurrected Jesus from the dead ) give spiritual life to sinners who are at enmity against him, for if he does not, then the men who bring the gospel to any area, remote or not, life would be in danger.

He says He came to save sinners, so all are offered the gift of eternal life..

: Red Baker  Sun Dec 10, 2023 - 06:39:59Either way, it truly does not change the meaning. After the gospel has gone in every known nations, which truly cannot be said until the inventions of those things I mentioned above.

Red, here you are contradicting your own statements to Yogi.  Your comments to him are saying that regeneration of a soul does not need any physical means (such as an "offer" of the gospel by a preacher) to implement this regeneration, beyond the power of the Holy Spirit.  I agree with this.  But that would then mean that none of those modern-day "witty inventions" you mentioned (such as internet, TV, etc.) would be necessary to accomplish the regeneration of a soul.  You can't have it both ways.

God has always been perfectly capable of regenerating an individual by the Holy Spirit's power, independent of any physical means whatever.  Even regeneration in utero, as in the case of the unborn John the Baptist.  What television program or internet presentation would have been capable of accomplishing that feat? 

You will remember that Christ compared the Holy Spirit to the wind which blows wherever it wants to, without any visible origin or perceptible destination.  This requires no "witty inventions" whatever.  In the first century, the Holy Spirit's influence was going abroad into all the nations of the world.  It had pleased God in that case "by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe" (1 Corinthians 1:23). That is, to save those who had been made capable of believing.

As I think you yourself would agree, God does begin the salvation process by using His Holy Spirit to accomplish regeneration, but He can also choose to use the "foolishness of preaching" to reveal Himself fully to mankind (provided the Lord has already "opened their heart to receive", as evidenced by Lydia's case in Acts 16:14).

: Amo  Sun Dec 10, 2023 - 07:35:24You are of course entitled to believe as you wish. Go to, preach and teach that the gospel was already given to the entire world in the days of the apostles, and the world has already ended. I will continue to preach the everlasting gospel  and warn people of the judgment to come according to holy scripture.

Amo, if you remember from my posting comments years ago, I agree with you that we are expecting a final judgment to come in the future. And that it is still incumbent upon you and me to continue helping to spread the gospel to all nations until that final judgment comes.   

But scripture never says that the world (meaning the globe itself) will come to an end.  All those verses you submitted above about a supposed "end of the world" are mistranslations.  They read "the end of the AGE" instead.  There is a difference between a time period's ending and a physical thing's existence ending. 

There was an imminent "end of the AGE" coming in the near future for those living in the first century, just after the gospel had been preached in the world to all nations, as Paul wrote had already happened.  But Paul also wrote about multiple "AGES that are coming" from his perspective on history's timeline.  We at present are living in one of those AGES which were future to Paul's time.

Everything prophesied to take place at the end of that first-century AGE was fulfilled long ago.  You can't transport those events prophesied for the end of the age in the first century and apply them to us.   

   

Amo, if you remember from my posting comments years ago, I agree with you that we are expecting a final judgment to come in the future. And that it is still incumbent upon you and me to continue helping to spread the gospel to all nations until that final judgment comes.   

But scripture never says that the world (meaning the globe itself) will come to an end.  All those verses you submitted above about a supposed "end of the world" are mistranslations.  They read "the end of the AGE" instead.  There is a difference between a time period's ending and a physical thing's existence ending. 

There was an imminent "end of the AGE" coming in the near future for those living in the first century, just after the gospel had been preached in the world to all nations, as Paul wrote had already happened.  But Paul also wrote about multiple "AGES that are coming" from his perspective on history's timeline.  We at present are living in one of those AGES which were future to Paul's time.

Everything prophesied to take place at the end of that first-century AGE was fulfilled long ago.  You can't transport those events prophesied for the end of the age in the first century and apply them to us.

You couldn't be more wrong, but again, believe as you wish. Every generation has a choice to make regarding the gospel, but this does not negate the clear and concise biblical teaching that a final generation will all here and decide upon the issue unto the literal end of this world. Before it is all over, all of humanity will either worship the image to the beast, or God almighty through Christ Jesus our Lord. Just as biblical prophecy predicts. After which this world will literally come to its end.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. 24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

: Amo  Sun Dec 10, 2023 - 12:50:02You couldn't be more wrong, but again, believe as you wish. Every generation has a choice to make regarding the gospel, but this does not negate the clear and concise biblical teaching that a final generation will all here and decide upon the issue unto the literal end of this world. Before it is all over, all of humanity will either worship the image to the beast, or God almighty through Christ Jesus our Lord. Just as biblical prophecy predicts. After which this world will literally come to its end.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Luk 17:22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. 23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. 24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

I think its clear we have gotten to the last generation, from what is happening in the world...

: 3 Resurrections  Sun Dec 10, 2023 - 10:07:18Red, here you are contradicting your own statements to Yogi.  Your comments to him are saying that regeneration of a soul does not need any physical means (such as an "offer" of the gospel by a preacher) to implement this regeneration, beyond the power of the Holy Spirit.  I agree with this.  But that would then mean that none of those modern-day "witty inventions" you mentioned (such as internet, TV, etc.) would be necessary to accomplish the regeneration of a soul.  You can't have it both ways.

No, not contradicting myself. I never said the gospel is the means of regeneration ~ just because the gospel had to go out into all the world doesn't mean that I believe the gospel is the means of regenerating a person, only that it would go forth unto all the ends of the earth. God has elect children in every nation, some of them he wills to bring to the knowledge of the truth, some will die without the knowledge of Jesus Christ, nevertheless if elected God will quicken them to life and they will live according to whatever light they may possess, be it ever so small. 

I must leave ~ be back later to finish this post and another I owe to you. RB

: Hobie  Sun Dec 10, 2023 - 09:56:22He says He came to save sinners, so all are offered the gift of eternal life..

All are offered the gift? Hobie, this is not so.  Many remote areas of this earth before Christ and after Christ have never heard so much as if there be any Jesus Christ. Even in our modern days, the earth has many folks just a ignorant of any gospel truth as Abraham had living in the heathren land which he came from.

Your theology has you believing in that lie.

: Red Baker  Mon Dec 11, 2023 - 07:04:06All are offered the gift? Hobie, this is not so.  Many remote areas of this earth before Christ and after Christ have never heard so much as if there be any Jesus Christ. Even in our modern days, the earth has many folks just a ignorant of any gospel truth as Abraham had living in the heathren land which he came from.

Your theology has you believing in that lie.

@Hobie

Yes, Red is correct and still is a [problem that creeps into things
even in these modern days.

John Allen Chau
American missionary (1991–2018)
John Allen Chau was an American evangelical Christian missionary who was killed by the Sentinelese, an uncontacted tribe, after illegally travelling to North Sentinel Island and experiencing numerous hostile encounters over several days in an attempt to introduce the tribe to Christianity. Wikipedia

these people still have not been witnessed to because they killed the person who was trying.

: Texas Conservative  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 14:41:24You haven't heard of the Nephites and Lamanites seeing Jesus in the Americas in the 1st century?   ::headscratch::

Never happened.

: 3 Resurrections  Fri Dec 08, 2023 - 15:27:28Apparently you aren't willing to take Paul's word for the truth about this evangelistic coverage of all the nations back in the first century. Why is that?

Oh I take Paul's word ok; it is your understanding of it I take issue with. 

: 3 Resurrections  Sat Dec 09, 2023 - 08:50:26Could you clarify what you mean by "flaws in the literature"?  Do you mean flaws in our translations of what Paul originally said?  Or flaws in Paul's own understanding when his words were originally written? 

 

I believe Paul was speaking the truth that was known at the time, he was speaking to his best ability of the knowledge he had available to him, there was just no genuine way he could have known the vastness or the composition of the earth at that point in time. 

: Red Baker  Sat Dec 09, 2023 - 04:02:06I think it meant all the known world, it could not have meant every single nation ( or kindred if you will ) on the earth at that time. I could be wrong, It just does not seem feasible, or possible in such a short time. I do not accept 3 Resurrections concerning the resurrected saints carrying out his mission ~ that's using one's imagination more so than using scriptures to prove a position. 

Agreed

: Red Baker  Mon Dec 11, 2023 - 07:04:06All are offered the gift? Hobie, this is not so.  Many remote areas of this earth before Christ and after Christ have never heard so much as if there be any Jesus Christ. Even in our modern days, the earth has many folks just a ignorant of any gospel truth as Abraham had living in the heathren land which he came from.

Your theology has you believing in that lie.

Ah, now your asking a good question.. In the islands are many who have never read the Bible and before that never had one, or heard what it says, so  what happens to those who have/had no knowledge of Jesus Christ?

Well what does scripture say about Job, and Jethro, and even Balaam who like Jonah tried to go against God. Were did they get the knowledge of Him...

: Hobie  Sat Apr 06, 2024 - 00:02:55Ah, now your asking a good question.. In the islands are many who have never read the Bible and before that never had one, or heard what it says, so  what happens to those who have/had no knowledge of Jesus Christ?

Well what does scripture say about Job, and Jethro, and even Balaam who like Jonah tried to go against God. Were did they get the knowledge of Him...

Heb 1:1  Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2  but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.


1Jn 1:1  That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life--
1Jn 1:2  the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us--
1Jn 1:3  that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4  And we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete.

1Co 13:9  For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
1Co 13:10  but when the perfect [i.e., the complete] comes, the partial will pass away.

I think the "perfect" or the "complete" that comes is the complete word of God, the Bible.  All of this declares that God's word, the Bible, is complete.  Everything that one needs to know about God in order to believe in Him and to love and obey Him is in His written word. There is no longer any need For the Holy Spirit to empower anyone to prophesy. 

Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: 2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, 3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. 4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. 5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. 8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth. 9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. 10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. 11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

: Rella  Mon Dec 11, 2023 - 07:49:27@Hobie

Yes, Red is correct and still is a [problem that creeps into things
even in these modern days.

John Allen Chau
American missionary (1991–2018)
John Allen Chau was an American evangelical Christian missionary who was killed by the Sentinelese, an uncontacted tribe, after illegally travelling to North Sentinel Island and experiencing numerous hostile encounters over several days in an attempt to introduce the tribe to Christianity. Wikipedia

these people still have not been witnessed to because they killed the person who was trying.

The power of the Holy Spirit can reach even these few, we cannot deny what it is able to do...