And what Gospel was Paul PREACHING during his ministry ?
#1 DID Paul preach God's Gospel in Rom 1:1 ?
#2 Or , preach the MYSTERY of the Gospel in Rom 16:25 ?
#3 Or was it the GOSPEL of the UNCIRCUMCISION in Gal 2:7 ?
#4 Or was it the preaching of KINGDOM of HEAVEN , in Matt 10:7 ?
#5 Or was it the EVERLASTING GOSPEL , in Rev 14:6 ?
#6 Or was it the GOSPEL of ATONEMENT , in Gen 3:21 ?
What GOSPEL was Peter preaching , in Gal 2:14 and Peter was COMPELING Gentiles to ADOPT Jewish customs and rites and preaching CIRCUMCISION in Gal 2:7 !
Looks like Peter and Pauls message are different !!
dan p
Paul was preaching THE gospel.
Peter and Paul agree, even if some of us have a hard time understanding Paul.
: dan p Thu Jun 23, 2022 - 17:18:34And what Gospel was Paul PREACHING during his ministry?
#1 DID Paul preach God's Gospel in Rom 1:1?
He did~he preached free justification by the obedience and righteousness of Jesus Christ alone as the means of God justifying sinners.
: dan p on: Yesterday at 17:18:34#2 Or, preach the MYSTERY of the Gospel in Rom 16:25?
Part of the gospel Paul preached which was first preached to Abraham, including the Gentiles, which to Abraham's natural seed was a mystery hidden in the scriptures and still is to many, at least in part, because many do not see that the ISRAEL OF GOD is both Jews and Gentiles being one body in Christ Jesus. The Jewish people are not the children of God, or the true Israel of God~the children of God's promises both Jews and Gentiles are the true people of God, the apple of his holy eyes. God will bless those who bless them and will curse those who cursed them!
: dan p on: Yesterday at 17:18:34#3 Or was it the GOSPEL of the UNCIRCUMCISION in Gal 2:7?
Dan, there's only one gospel preached to the circumcision and the uncircumcision per Galatians chapter one. I can expand on this later, not now.
: dan p on: Yesterday at 17:18:34#4 Or was it the preaching of KINGDOM of HEAVEN, in Matt 10:7 #6, Or was it the GOSPEL of ATONEMENT, in Gen 3:21?
Again the same gospel!
What GOSPEL was Peter preaching, in Gal 2:14 and Peter was COMPELLING Gentiles to ADOPT Jewish customs and rites and preaching CIRCUMCISION in Gal 2:7!
Peter, did not preach a different gospel, he just was not CONSISTENCE in maintaining his first love. He was being moved away by false brethren who wanted to ADD their own works as a means of God accepting them!
Looks like Peter and Paul's message are different !!
It may seem to look as though they were, but it was Peter who allowed himself to leave FREE JUSTIFICATION and allow false brethren to persuade him AGAINST FREE JUSTIFICATION by the faith of Jesus Christ. Just as many will not accept this message in our day.
And you believe that UNCIRCUMCISION , that Paul preached , and that CIRCUMCISION that Peter preached are nthe SAME GOSPEL ??
ESPECIALLY , since Gal 2:14 says that Peter was COMPELLING the GENTILES to ADOPT JEWISH CUSTOMS and RITES ?
REALLY ??
dan p
: dan p Fri Jun 24, 2022 - 14:21:50
And you believe that UNCIRCUMCISION , that Paul preached , and that CIRCUMCISION that Peter preached are nthe SAME GOSPEL ??
ESPECIALLY , since Gal 2:14 says that Peter was COMPELLING the GENTILES to ADOPT JEWISH CUSTOMS and RITES ?
REALLY ??
dan p
Really. Paul and Peter both explain THE gospel, and while they use slightly different metaphors, it's the same message:
For Peter, we are stones that together build up the temple, in which Christ lives.
For Paul, we are all members that together comprise the Body, of which Christ is the head.
Can you not see these are the same thing?
And I believe what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 3:16 Don't you know that we are GOD'S TEMPLE and that the SPIRIT of God DWELLS in you ??
And verse 17 reads , If anyone CORRUPTS the TEMPLE OF God , God will RUIN THIS ONE , for the inner TEMPLE of God is holy , which you are ?
WE are the TEMPLE of GOD , PERIOD !!
And Israel will have there TEMPLE in the MILLEUMIAN KINGDOM and will be KINGS and PRIESTS , Rev 1:6 !!
dan p
: dan p Fri Jun 24, 2022 - 15:01:44
And I believe what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 3:16 Don't you know that we are GOD'S TEMPLE and that the SPIRIT of God DWELLS in you ??
And verse 17 reads , If anyone CORRUPTS the TEMPLE OF God , God will RUIN THIS ONE , for the inner TEMPLE of God is holy , which you are ?
WE are the TEMPLE of GOD , PERIOD !!
And Israel will have there TEMPLE in the MILLEUMIAN KINGDOM and will be KINGS and PRIESTS , Rev 1:6 !!
dan p
See? That's the gospel - God in us, the kingdom within. The same from one end of the New Testament to the other.
: dan p Fri Jun 24, 2022 - 14:21:50And you believe that UNCIRCUMCISION , that Paul preached , and that CIRCUMCISION that Peter preached are nthe SAME GOSPEL ??
ESPECIALLY, since Gal 2:14 says that Peter was COMPELLING the GENTILES to ADOPT JEWISH CUSTOMS and RITES?
REALLY ??
dan p
Dan, uncircumcision, and circumcision, are not two gospels but two different groups of people living in the world at that time.
And yes, the apostles all preached the one and same gospel of free justification through Christ alone. Any other message is cursed by the God of heaven.
: THE HOLY GHOSTGalatians 1:7-9~"Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
Paul, stood fast in the gospel of the grace of God, while Peter allowed himself to let some false brethren trouble his spirit for a short period of time until Paul rebuked him before all. Even Barnabas, Paul's companion, was somewhat moved by them but less than Peter was.
If Peter and Paul PREACHED the same Gospel , HOW was Peter saved ?
Or how was Paul saved ?
And if there is ONLY one Gospel , How was Adam saved ?
dan p
: dan p Tue Jun 28, 2022 - 18:54:42
If Peter and Paul PREACHED the same Gospel , HOW was Peter saved ?
Or how was Paul saved ?
And if there is ONLY one Gospel , How was Adam saved ?
dan p
Paul and Peter preached the same gospel. Peter was saved by faith in Christ, same as Paul.
: dan p Tue Jun 28, 2022 - 18:54:42
And if there is ONLY one Gospel , How was Adam saved ?
According to the church I grew up in - he was not saved. No one was before the NT.
Everyone mentioned in the OT (according to their theology) was burning in hell for eternity.
: dan p Tue Jun 28, 2022 - 18:54:42
If Peter and Paul PREACHED the same Gospel , HOW was Peter saved ?
Or how was Paul saved ?
That depends to a LARGE PART on how you define
what the gospel is.
Peter and Paul were both Jews. They were saved the same way - upgrading their Mosaic covenant with God to the New Covenant.
So gave a verse THAT I missed as to how Peter was saved ?
dan p
: dan p Thu Jun 30, 2022 - 16:49:28
So gave a verse THAT I missed as to how Peter was saved ?
It isn't necessary for the event to be recorded in Scripture for it to have happened.
(Although there are several passage that suggest it.)
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh Wed Jul 06, 2022 - 15:48:05
It isn't necessary for the event to be recorded in Scripture for it to have happened.
(Although there are several passage that suggest it.)
I knew a pastor once that made a doctrine out of Jesus only sleeping once in His entire 3.5 year ministry (in the boat) since there was no other record of it happening. Preach all day and pray all night.
: dan p Thu Jun 30, 2022 - 16:49:28So gave a verse THAT I missed as to how Peter was saved?
dan p
Dan, every child of God is saved from sin and the condemnation of God's holy law in the same manner.........by two immutable acts of God...his oath and promises of grace to elect seed of Jesus Christ. Saved in the very same manner in which God promised Abraham a seed....Read your Bible............
Galatians 4:21-31; Hebrews 6:13-18 May God open your eyes as you read and ponder his word.
And Peter was preaching a GOSPEL , called WHAT ?? Acts 2:38 to be BAPTIZED for the FORGIVENESS of SINS and what SINS did they commit ??
And what gospel did Paul preach , Eph 3:1-9 and preached the MYSTERY , Rom 16:25 and Col 1:26 a MYSTERY that was kept SECRET .
dan p
The mystery that was that the Gentiles were to be fellow heirs and of the same body and partakers of the promises of Christ.
Same Gospel, just revealed to a broader group.
And you mean that Paul and Peter preached the same GOSPEL ?
Do you have a verse where they PREACHED , the same Gospel ?
dan p
: dan p Thu Jul 07, 2022 - 17:27:26
And you mean that Paul and Peter preached the same GOSPEL ?
Do you have a verse where they PREACHED , the same Gospel ?
1 Timothy 6:3
If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions,
Did Paul ever say that of Peter?
And Paul wrote 1 Tim 6:3 was writing to the Body of Christ and NOT to Peter or to Israel .
Paul's message was by not by man nor was I taught it but by revelation of Jesus Christ .
In Gal 2:14 was teaching and compelling Gentiles to ADOPT Jewish Customs and RITES
and that means Peter and Paul had DIFFERENT MESSAGES , pure and simple .
dan p
Their gospels were the same. Paul encountered some people that were requiring people to be ome Jewish first. Peter didn't require cornelius to do any of that. He did say, how can we deny this one the water who receive the Spirit as we did, (at Pentecost (for a particular reason). Paul baptized the Jailer and his family. Paul wasn't averse to baptism, he just didn't want people to have a reliance on or be loyal to HIM personally for those he baptized. He was a celebrity in those circles at that time. People were unnecessarily glorifying the ones baptizing them. It wasn't that baptism had somehow disappeared.
: DaveW Thu Jul 07, 2022 - 05:40:19
I knew a pastor once that made a doctrine out of Jesus only sleeping once in His entire 3.5 year ministry (in the boat) since there was no other record of it happening. Preach all day and pray all night.
Did anybody call him on it?
And in 1 Cor 1:17 , it reads , For Christ did NOT / OV , send me to BAPTIZE .
The Greek word NOT / OV is a DISJUNCATIVE PARICIPLE NEGATIVE and means that Paul never BAPTIZED anyone one , how will you EXPLAIN THAT ?
Why Paul could NEVER WATER BAPTIZE , LEST / ME is also a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICIPLE NEGATIVE THAT Paul could not BAPTIZE ,
Can anyone EXPLAIN away , That Christ did not send to BAPTIZE , in 1 Cor 1:17 ??
dan p
1Cor 1:14-16
14 I (Paul) thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
Dan, please pay attention. This has been pointed out to you clearly multiple times. AND THESE VERSES SAY W H Y He was reluctant to personally baptize many. Can we put this nonsense to bed?
He baptized some, but minimized that because those being baptized glorified him instead of whose name they were baptized into This is elementary Dan.
In the words of Joe Biden, "Come on man!"
Also, the preaching is important. ANYONE can do the Baptizing. It doesn't have to be the preacher. It hardly ever is the preacher in my church, but he preaches most every Sunday. Why would you presume the preacher does all the Baptizing? Do you think Peter baptized all 3000 in Acts 2? Why would he have had to?
: dan p Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 14:44:40
Can anyone EXPLAIN away , That Christ did not send to BAPTIZE , in 1 Cor 1:17 ??
dan p
Yes.
Christ sent him for another purpose - to evangelize as an apostle. That is not a prohibition on baptizing. He was empowered to do WHATEVER he needed to accomplish the good work. Including, occasionally, baptizing.
Honestly, look at Jaime's post. It's extremely simple and clear proof that Paul did baptize.
Jarrod
And you mean that Paul and Peter preached the same GOSPEL ?
Do you have a verse where they PREACHED , the same Gospel ?
Act 2 Is where Peter first preached the complete gospel please read the chapter it is where the complete Gospel of Christ was first preached the same as is to be preached today
Paul echoes that same gospel
1 cor 1;17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Romans 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.
The same teaching of the cross Peter taught in Acts 2 the gospel of Christ is the death burial and ressurrection all gospel teachers taught the gospel of Christ the same no matter which one was teaching form Acts 2 through out the new testement
I answered within your post I copied and pasted changing my reply to blue for clarification on who was saying what
And Peter was preaching a GOSPEL , called WHAT ?? Acts 2:38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. To be BAPTIZED for the FORGIVENESS of SINS and what SINS did they commit ?? Sin is defined in God's word as a transgression of the law so the answer would clearly be a transgression of the law correct isn't it elementary?
And what gospel did Paul preach , Eph 3:1-9 1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles— 2 if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God's grace which was given to me for you; 3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. 4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; 6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, 7 of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God's grace which was given to me according to the working of His power. 8 To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, 9 and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things; and preached the MYSTERY , Rom 16:25
Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past,and 27 tCol 1:26 26 that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, 27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28 We proclaim Him, admonishing every man and teaching every man with all wisdom, so that we may present every man complete in Christ. 29 For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me. a MYSTERY that was kept SECRET .
Notice I added the verses you reference so we can read them and in the Colossians verse added more context so we can see the full meaning.
The mystery gospel as you try to call it is the same gospel of Christ thar Peter taught it was a mystery in the fact that it was not reveiled to us gentiles the same time it was givin the Jews but now we are called by the same gospel both Jew and gentilr and that isn made clear in Acts 10 Please read Acts 10 so I don't have go copy and paste
And you mean that Paul and Peter preached the same GOSPEL ? Yes a hundred times yes the word of God clearly teaches this
And in 1 Cor 15:3 was ONLY written by Paul and NOT by Peter !!
dan p
INcorrect that was Peters messagem in Acts 2 as well as all other to preach the gospel of Christ for that is the gospel of Christ
: yogi bear Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 18:42:23 a MYSTERY that was kept SECRET .
Greeting Yogi, "long time no see"~ as the old Indian would say. Yogi what you quoted in yellow you kept secret from us~unable to make it out.
Yes, good to see you posting again Yogi! Hang around this time!
Red sorry my choice of colors made it difficult to read I changed the yellow to red to make it more readable hope that helps.
Greetings to you as well my brother.
Greetings to you as well brother Jaime I get caught up in raising the chickens and don't get on here much but will try to make more time to drop in.
And in Matt 10:5 Jesus sent 12 forth , and COMMANDED them , saying , Go not into the way of the Gentiles and into the city of the Samaritans ENTER YE NOT .
Notice that there 2 Greek words NOT / ME and they are called DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVES and that means DO NOT ENTER THOSE CITIES , EVERRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Verse 6 says to rather to the lost sheep of Israel .
Verse 7 , And go , PREACH , saying The KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at hand
Verse 8 Heal the sick , cleanse the LEPER , Raise the DEAD and did they do that preaching , NO , so when did the 12 disciples STOP ?
dan p
dan p:
No offence, but it is hard to make heads or tails by and of your method of writing.
Buff
I agree I do not understand your point or question or what you are try to communicate here
: dan p Sat Jul 09, 2022 - 14:00:37
And in Matt 10:5 Jesus sent 12 forth, and COMMANDED them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles and into the city of the Samaritans ENTER YE NOT.
Notice that there 2 Greek words NOT / ME and they are called DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVES and that means DO NOT ENTER THOSE CITIES, EVERRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Verse 6 says to rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
Verse 7, And go, PREACH, saying The KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at hand
Verse 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the LEPER, Raise the DEAD, and did they do that preaching, NO, so when did the 12 disciples STOP?
dan p
Dan, your understanding of the scriptures is lacking, and obviously of the Greek as well. Did you forget it was Peter that first went unto the Gentiles in Acts ten?
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh Fri Jul 08, 2022 - 14:31:22
Did anybody call him on it?
No - since to do so they would have to find chapter and verse saying that He slept every night.
"If it ain't in the Bible, it is a LIE from hell."
: dan p Sat Jul 09, 2022 - 14:00:37
And in Matt 10:5 Jesus sent 12 forth , and COMMANDED them , saying , Go not into the way of the Gentiles and into the city of the Samaritans ENTER YE NOT .
Notice that there 2 Greek words NOT / ME and they are called DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVES and that means DO NOT ENTER THOSE CITIES , EVERRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Verse 6 says to rather to the lost sheep of Israel .
Verse 7 , And go , PREACH , saying The KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at hand
Verse 8 Heal the sick , cleanse the LEPER , Raise the DEAD and did they do that preaching , NO , so when did the 12 disciples STOP ?
dan p
Uh - dan, I think you have "forum blur," where you post something that is supposed to be in a different forum or thread. Sounds like it should have been in the thread where I asked you where it says it is unlawful to go into a Gentile's house.
Sorry about that as I am on many Christian web sites and misse you !!
Easy to see , and Matt 10:5 reads These twelve Jesus sent forth , and commanded THEM , saying , Go NOT into the way of the GENTILES and into any city of the SAMARITIANS enter ye NOT .
Verse 6 , But rather to the LOST SHEEP of the hose of Israel .
Then Acts 10: 28 Peter says , You understand how UNLAWFUL it is for a Jewish MAN TO JOIN himself or to come NEAR a FOREIGNER .
dan p
: dan p Mon Jul 11, 2022 - 14:32:30
Sorry about that as I am on many Christian web sites and misse you !!
Easy to see , and Matt 10:5 reads These twelve Jesus sent forth , and commanded THEM , saying , Go NOT into the way of the GENTILES and into any city of the SAMARITIANS enter ye NOT .
Verse 6 , But rather to the LOST SHEEP of the hose of Israel .
Then Acts 10: 28 Peter says , You understand how UNLAWFUL it is for a Jewish MAN TO JOIN himself or to come NEAR a FOREIGNER .
Then you are misunderstanding the Matthew passage. Our Lord had a time table, a plan to start with the 12, then go Jewish people, and only after His death and resurrection was the gospel to go to the gentiles. That is why He said to not go to the gentiles and Samaritans (half gentiles) YET. He opened that territory up in Acts 1.
And God's plan for Israel , was already for a couple of thousand years and was using the 12 apostles in Acts and Peter used the KEYS of the KINGDOM of HEAVEN in Acts 2:38 and Israel , instead CRUCIFIED Christ instead
Then I believe that Israel was SET A SIDE as it is written in 2 Cor 3:13-15 , but until THIS DAY when Moses is being read , a COVERING LIES upon their HEART .
The setting ASIDE of Israel , is also a big divider as is BAPTISM and has been for MANY YEARS and I hear you .
dan p
danp,
And what Gospel was Paul PREACHING during his ministry ?
#1 DID Paul preach God's Gospel in Rom 1:1 ?
#2 Or , preach the MYSTERY of the Gospel in Rom 16:25 ?
#3 Or was it the GOSPEL of the UNCIRCUMCISION in Gal 2:7 ?
#4 Or was it the preaching of KINGDOM of HEAVEN , in Matt 10:7 ?
#5 Or was it the EVERLASTING GOSPEL , in Rev 14:6 ?
#6 Or was it the GOSPEL of ATONEMENT , in Gen 3:21 ?
What GOSPEL was Peter preaching , in Gal 2:14 and Peter was COMPELING Gentiles to ADOPT Jewish customs and rites and preaching CIRCUMCISION in Gal 2:7 !
Looks like Peter and Pauls message are different !!
dan p
All the above. You quoted the verses. They are all part of the gospel.
Peter messed up and it was recorded as such. I seriously doubt he continued to do that.