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What natural supplements would you suggest someone taking in order to keep their body healthy?

I take:

Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Selenium
One A Day Multiply Vitamins

What should I add or take away?

My problem isn't suggesting more -- I have read stuff and tried stuff that I think was good.

My problem is in narrowing it all down to something manageable for meyself or to recommend to anyone else.  If we took a supplement of everything we're missing in the average American  diet we'd rattle when we walked.

Right now as a concession to a lot of stuff I probably need -- I try to drink the fresh juice of a carrot and and apple and some celery and whatever else takes my fancy, every day at work.  (Weekends are out the window at my house.)

I also take a vitamin/herb supplement with mostly the B-vitamins, and a few things that supposedly help keep you calm or at least "even", like St. John's Wort.

Thanks for your help.  I guess I just need to eat healthy and that would solve the problem for me.

Unfortunately with the nutrition taken out of our foods by processing, we don't get a whole lot of vitamins and minerals from that.   ::frown::

I suggest a good source of natural vitamins gotten from whole foods, by finding a good reputable company that makes their own foodsources such as the organic vegetables is best.

I recommend Standard Process for that. That company grows all their own on their farms in Wisconsin.

There are probably other good companys as well, I just know alot about them.

Memmy

We would not need supplements if we ate right, that  is true.

Assuming the foods available to you had all the vitamins and minerals in them that they were meant to have.

Assuming the way you cooked or processed the food to eat it did not destroy what little nutrition was left in it.

Assuming we didn't have so much garbage to fight off with our less-than-optimum food sources, all the pollutants and illnesses and stuff, plus our own indolence, compared to forebears who did a lot more physically.

Re: vitamins, I can recommend both Melaleuca and Amway vitamins as I knew them when I used to take them -- I loved them, they agreed with me and seemed to do me good.  The vegetable base the pills were made with was wonderful -- I hate a chalky horse pill of a vitamin.  Don't matter what brand, you know the type.  I'd taste them for hours and get heartburn as often as not.

And if it's all coated up with a nearly indestructable coating to avoid upsetting your stomach, how can you guarantee your intestines will have access to the ingredients in a thoroughly broken-down form you can absorb?

So research your One-A-Day and see if it really gets used.  Look for example at where the calcium comes from and Google the types used in vitamins so you can see if you're getting one you can use.  If it's just ground-up oyster shells, is that the one best for the human body, or does it merely let the manufacturer claim "Yup, we got calcium!"?

Oh no, now I have to research!

Hee hee.

Notice the neat teacher-like way I dumped it back in your lap.

Creatine and Andro  ::workingout::

: JerryBrooke  Sat May 27, 2006 - 20:13:19
Creatine and Andro  ::workingout::

Not wanting to build muscle mass, just be healthy.

I have heard that what is mostly found in the sewage treatment plants that is not disolved is coated vitamins.

Think of all the people who have taken them and not even had anything good come from them at all, just clog up the treatment plants..

Ugh.  Who's going through treated sewage?

I assume that that would be from the untreated side of the plant, since the first thing the sewage flows through is a series of filters.

Disgusting, to say the least.

Yeah, they say it is a crappy job, but somebody has to do it. (Can I say that?)  ::whistle::

: memmy  Sat May 27, 2006 - 16:32:27
Unfortunately with the nutrition taken out of our foods by processing, we don't get a whole lot of vitamins and minerals from that.   ::frown::

Processed foods aren't even really foods.  Not really.  They're fillers, substitutions for real nutrition that leave us hungry and wanting more.

I suggest just eating whole, natural foods that aren't processed.  I'm a believer in "all things in moderation", so of course I eat the occasional bag of potato chips or fast food sandwich, but by and large, I cook my own meals with fresh (sometimes frozen) veggies, make whole grain breads, etc.  It's amazing how much better you feel when you take care of your body in the first place.  God made an abundance of food for us to enjoy and when we do so, taking care of our bodies, it's such a blessing -- we're so much healthier and ready to take on the world with well-fed bodies.

Of course... all that doesn't mean I have the body of Ell McPherson.... I wonder what I'm doing wrong.  lol

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you may die.

Of course... all that doesn't mean I have the body of Ell McPherson.... I wonder what I'm doing wrong.  lol

The only thing I can see is wishing you had her body........she already is in it!  ::wink::

::hug::

: JerryBrooke  Mon May 29, 2006 - 08:41:18
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you may die.

No "may"... some tomorrow, you will.

Do you know something he doesn't? ::eek::

 ::lookaround::

: spurly  Sat May 27, 2006 - 09:24:41
What natural supplements would you suggest someone taking in order to keep their body healthy?

I take:

Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Selenium
One A Day Multiply Vitamins

What should I add or take away?

I like GNC's multi vitamins for men. I can feel the difference when I don't take them.  If you have trouble eating all the required fruit and vegetables that you should a day you can check your natural food store and get (I can't remember the name) food suppliments that contain all the fruits and vegetables that you need in a day. They can be expensive but they help lazy people like me who seem to neglect stuff like that. Who has the time to eat 20 servings of anything a day.  ::lookaround::

When counting servings remember to look at portion size.  A serving of fruit or vegetable is just 1/2 cup.  I don't eat just 1/2 cup of anything!

It amazes me the things people do to their veggies.  For me, most veggies taste their best when lightly steamed or grilled with maybe a little salt.  I like them to have some texture, not be cooked to mush.  And don't even get me started on green bean casserole!  Blech!
::iamsick::

Ahhh.. he beautiful greeeeeeen beeeeeean cassrole...

You start with fresh or fresh-frozen, long, crunchy grean beans.

You add crispy fried onions in a layer on top -- along with shredded cheese.

In layers from the bottom up, you alternate your other ingredients --

Sliced mushrooms, fresh if you like, or else "broiled in butter" ones from a can --

Finely diced purple onions, or whatever ones you like best, maybe a sweet onion --

Finely diced celery, bell peppers (variety colors is nice) --

Fresh parsley, fresh-ground black pepper, a little variety of whatever spices you like --

A can of concentrated fat-free cream soup -- it can be broccoli or chicken or celery or whatever you like if mushroom soup doesn't thrill you.  You don't need to add any salt to the dish if the soup isn't a reduced-sodium soup.

You cook it just long enough to integrate some flavors -- at about 350 until the liquids have been bubbling a little while.  You want your green beans to still have some life to them but you want the onions lightly cooked, a bit transparent.

Add another layer of those yummy fried onions for the last 5 or 10 minutes so they'll still be very crunchy.

Tell me that's nasty, go ahead.  I'll just eat your share.  :: :D ::

I like using a juicer.  If I don't have the time or appetite to eat a couple dozen fresh veggies & fruits, I can run them thru the machine and drink them.  Not bad over ice.

: Nevertheless  Sat Jun 03, 2006 - 00:13:00

It amazes me the things people do to their veggies.  For me, most veggies taste their best when lightly steamed or grilled with maybe a little salt.  I like them to have some texture, not be cooked to mush.  And don't even get me started on green bean casserole!  Blech!
::iamsick::

Green Bean Casserole is delicious!  I like veggies the way you mentioned too, however.

Doesn't the song go,

    And they'll know we are Christians by our green bean casserole,
    And they'll know we are Christians by our beans.

btw, I've been attending the Church of Christ for 35 years, and I have never, to the best of my knowledge, seen a green bean casserole.  I have no idea. 

Plainly you've been attending heretical churches.

Yeah, because this is one of the things that Northern, Southern, and Southwestern churches all pretty much have in common.  You're pretty much surrounded, Marc.  I think maybe you've found the agenda for the next congregation meeting.

The whole idea of doing this with green beans sounds heretical to me.  The only way to properly prepare them is to put them in a pot with a slab of fatback bacon, and maybe an onion.  They should be so greasy that chewing is unnecessary.

The only thing I can figure out is that you people are using some kind of bean other than half-runners, and you have to try to find a way to make pole beans or some such thing edible.  If that's what you're doing give it up.  It's impossible.

Just give me the bacon.  Green beans are of the devil.  Besides, I don't see any authorization for having a kitchen in the Holy Church Building anyhoo.

You don't fix the beans at church; you fix them at home and bring them.

You just warm them up at church.

A green bean is a terrible thing to waste -- or mistreat!

Nothing but nothing is better for your health than mangosteen juice & XanGo is the category creator.
www.bestmangosteen.biz

: monmick  Mon Jul 03, 2006 - 12:46:38
Nothing but nothing is better for your health than mangosteen juice & XanGo is the category creator.
www.bestmangosteen.biz

...Sales rep   ::pondering::

http://www.choices411.com/drtootla.html
http://www.pubmed.com/ Independent Xanthone research. Type in "Xanthones"
http://www.researchmangosteen.org/
http://www.mangosteenmd.com/

mangosteen!

The miracle diarrhea cure!

Receive package and read instruction carefully:

1. pour contents out of bottle

2. use empty bottle as suppository until symptoms dissapear.

your crudeness betrays your character....

: Lamb  Wed Jul 05, 2006 - 06:46:42

: monmick  Mon Jul 03, 2006 - 12:46:38
Nothing but nothing is better for your health than mangosteen juice & XanGo is the category creator.
www.bestmangosteen.biz

...Sales rep   ::pondering::

Most likely.  Her links claim that mangosteen cures almost everything.

Y'all stop being crude before I can get around to it.

Mangosteen side effect...

Suppressed sense of humor. ::shrug::

Apparently.

good audio file on mangosteen benefits:
http://discover.allnaturalwealth.com/allnaturalwealth/interview.htm

: monmick  Thu Jul 27, 2006 - 16:56:13
good audio file on mangosteen benefits:
http://discover.allnaturalwealth.com/allnaturalwealth/interview.htm

Monmick, do you have any horses that you saddle up occasionally, or is this the only horse in your stable?

I was going to comment, but it was going to sound very unkind.

I certainly recognize that there are lots of healthy vegetable-based products.  But, when the marketing of the product moves to treading the thin line of making medical claims while only just avoiding what would require their submission to the FDA for approval, alarm bells go off in my head.  And those bells aren't tinnitus.

Hi Spurly,

You have a good list but what many don't know is that even the vitamins we buy are synthetic vitamins not natural and they are cut down with fillers and by products. I foun in my travels a great health routine and I feel great. Fresh Royal Jelly , Bee Pollen and a tea called Royal Energy Tea. I found many great articles at beeroyalproducts.com that you can research and read up on.  All of the bee products contain high B-complex vitamins naturally as well as proteins, amino acids and additional vitamins. I have more energy than ever. Its the best alternative.

AS in the present days people are not taking healthy food items which are very good for health as they are taking fast food items which don't give any kind of improvement to your health.  ::applause:: People must food containing more calcium's and vitamins which could keep your body strong. Unlike most supplements, these products are made from organic foods, not synthetics.  ::playingguitar::
_______
kcr ::priest::

Ah, another sales rep, dredging up a three-year-old thread....

BTW - vitamins fall into two categories - fat-soluble and water-soluble. Most of the water-soluble vitamins will only accumulate in your body to levels that you actually - an excess just gets sent out in urine. The fat-solubles, otoh, can build up to toxic levels in your body. The same is true for most minerals.

So all those commercials you see promoting B6 or B12 is bogus - your body won't keep anymore than it needs to function.

If you have a condition that prevents your body from absorbing minerals and nutrients, then vitamins are a great idea. For most of us, though, eating a well-balanced diet will give us all we need.

Rule of thumb when shopping - it's tempting to choose multivitamins that contain much more than the dose recommended by the FDA. Don't. Choose one that keeps it to 100-150% of the recommended dose to avoid toxicity.

There's your nutrition lesson for the day. :)

Personally, I would throw away all of the dead pills with powdered vitamins in them and instead get the real thing from eating/juicing living plants.

The dead version just isn't as good as the living version...

It's like comparing boiled, dead, store bought apple juice to clean, fresh, living apple juice. Tastes completely different... and has a much better healing effect on the body.

: spurly  Sat May 27, 2006 - 09:24:41
What natural supplements would you suggest someone taking in order to keep their body healthy?

I take:

Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Selenium
One A Day Multiply Vitamins

What should I add or take away?

God made foods, to contains all the elements, we need to be healthy on.

On a diet of raw foods, such as was provided in the Garden of Eden, the human body will be as healthy, as it can will get.

God made the foods to have all the right elements, in the correct proportion, for people and animals.

By taking certain vitamins or minerals, a person can easily create an inbalance, and therefore cause more harm than good, for the human body.


I've studied nutrition for some 30+ years....and I've learned a few things in that time-frame.

Digressing back to the original question at 81 I still press iio pounds.  I attribute this to the taking of vitamins.The ones you recited are good and important.  I also take magensium and Bcomplex 100. ::tippinghat::

: _MattChin_  Mon Apr 06, 2009 - 14:29:36
Personally, I would throw away all of the dead pills with powdered vitamins in them and instead get the real thing from eating/juicing living plants.

The dead version just isn't as good as the living version...

It's like comparing boiled, dead, store bought apple juice to clean, fresh, living apple juice. Tastes completely different... and has a much better healing effect on the body.

That's a very intelligent move, on your part.

Daily Men's, B12, Lycopene (espc men), shot of wheatgrass once in a while.

People should be aware that many vitamins sold in stores are of no real value to them.

Brands like, One a day...Centrum....etc., do not get absorbed into the body, fast anough to do much good for anyone.

Raw foods, either juiced, or eaten without heating them first, is best.

Just remember...God designed the human body, and don't you think HE knows what is best for us ?

: 3AM  Sun May 24, 2009 - 20:19:21
People should be aware that many vitamins sold in stores are of no real value to them.

Brands like, One a day...Centrum....etc., do not get absorbed into the body, fast anough to do much good for anyone.

Raw foods, either juiced, or eaten without heating them first, is best.

Just remember...God designed the human body, and don't you think HE knows what is best for us ?

Exactly, I usually say, " And you're not taking One a Day or Centrum are you? Because you may as well get cardboard and roll it up into a pill and take that.   Think of the difference between particle board and oak... buy the oak."

: Elaine  Sun May 24, 2009 - 20:24:19

: 3AM  Sun May 24, 2009 - 20:19:21
People should be aware that many vitamins sold in stores are of no real value to them.

Brands like, One a day...Centrum....etc., do not get absorbed into the body, fast anough to do much good for anyone.

Raw foods, either juiced, or eaten without heating them first, is best.

Just remember...God designed the human body, and don't you think HE knows what is best for us ?

Exactly, I usually say, " And you're not taking One a Day or Centrum are you? Because you may as well get cardboard and roll it up into a pill and take that.   Think of the difference between particle board and oak... buy the oak."

The bottom line is...that people need to sudy the subject of nutrition, much better, instead of listening to some ads on TV.

grass fed lean beef is very good for you.    And some bacon every once and awhile is good for the soul.

: Gary  Thu May 28, 2009 - 08:11:37
grass fed lean beef is very good for you.    And some bacon every once and awhile is good for the soul.

Bravo, that you know about grass fed beef. :)

I'd certainly encourage you to take Omega 3 Fish (or Krill) Oil. It's been the best nutritional thing I've ever done. Nothing else comes close. But be sure to get a quality source. Carlson is an exceptionally high quality fish oil brand.

: Elaine  Thu May 28, 2009 - 13:19:23

: Gary  Thu May 28, 2009 - 08:11:37
grass fed lean beef is very good for you.    And some bacon every once and awhile is good for the soul.

Bravo, that you know about grass fed beef. :)

I live in Montana.  The hamburger I buy at the butcher shop in town is local grass fed beef.  It is leaner than the stuff at the supermarket at the same percentage of fat.

: admin  Thu May 28, 2009 - 18:16:45
I'd certainly encourage you to take Omega 3 Fish (or Krill) Oil. It's been the best nutritional thing I've ever done. Nothing else comes close. But be sure to get a quality source. Carlson is an exceptionally high quality fish oil brand.

YES!   And I just bought Carlson Cod liver oil with D !!!!

TY for reminding me to take mine today again.

A simple suggestion about eating flesh foods......don't.

Genesis   9:3   Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 
  9:4   But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 
  9:5   And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.   

God never made man to eat flesh foods.

God made man to be a vegetarian, and that is because God knows best, as God made man.

After the flood, God allowed man, to eat flesh foods, to cut down on man's lifespan.

The Bible has given the ages men lived to to show what happened before the flood, and after the flood.

Man, before the flood, lived to around 900 years old.

After the flood, man's lifespan dropped to 175, as the result of flesh foods.

Diseases were unknown, untill man started eating flesh foods.

Anyone who really studied the Bible.... can see those facts, for themselves.

: 3AM  Sat May 30, 2009 - 14:15:19
A simple suggestion about eating flesh foods......don't.

Genesis   9:3   Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 
  9:4   But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 
  9:5   And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.  

God never made man to eat flesh foods.

God made man to be a vegetarian, and that is because God knows best, as God made man.

After the flood, God allowed man, to eat flesh foods, to cut down on man's lifespan.

The Bible has given the ages men lived to to show what happened before the flood, and after the flood.

Man, before the flood, lived to around 900 years old.

After the flood, man's lifespan dropped to 175, as the result of flesh foods.

Diseases were unknown, untill man started eating flesh foods.

Anyone who really studied the Bible.... can see those facts, for themselves.

I can see the facts that what you are spreading is malarkey.  Find me a 175+ year old vegetarian.  If not, stop twisting the words of God.

: Gary  Sat May 30, 2009 - 17:33:09

I can see the facts that what you are spreading is malarkey.  Find me a 175+ year old vegetarian.  If not, stop twisting the words of God.
[/quote]I was counting on you to react the way you do.

The first 12 patriarchs in the Bible, lived to be about 900 years old.

After flesh foods was allowed to decrease man's live span, the next 12 patriarchs lifespans dropped down to around 175 (Abraham for excample).

And then we come to us, in todays world, where diseases, illnesses, are the direct result of diet.
Each generation grows more sickly, as shown both degenerative diseases hitting more younger people.
Old people diseases, now attacking younger people.

: Gary  Sat May 30, 2009 - 17:33:09

: 3AM  Sat May 30, 2009 - 14:15:19
A simple suggestion about eating flesh foods......don't.

Genesis   9:3   Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 
  9:4   But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 
  9:5   And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.  

God never made man to eat flesh foods.

God made man to be a vegetarian, and that is because God knows best, as God made man.

After the flood, God allowed man, to eat flesh foods, to cut down on man's lifespan.

The Bible has given the ages men lived to to show what happened before the flood, and after the flood.

Man, before the flood, lived to around 900 years old.

After the flood, man's lifespan dropped to 175, as the result of flesh foods.

Diseases were unknown, untill man started eating flesh foods.

Anyone who really studied the Bible.... can see those facts, for themselves.

I can see the facts that what you are spreading is malarkey.  Find me a 175+ year old vegetarian.  If not, stop twisting the words of God.

Gary, where's the "twist".  I want to study this more.

: Gary  Sat May 30, 2009 - 17:33:09

: 3AM  Sat May 30, 2009 - 14:15:19
A simple suggestion about eating flesh foods......don't.

Genesis   9:3   Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 
  9:4   But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 
  9:5   And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.  

God never made man to eat flesh foods.

God made man to be a vegetarian, and that is because God knows best, as God made man.

After the flood, God allowed man, to eat flesh foods, to cut down on man's lifespan.

The Bible has given the ages men lived to to show what happened before the flood, and after the flood.

Man, before the flood, lived to around 900 years old.

After the flood, man's lifespan dropped to 175, as the result of flesh foods.

Diseases were unknown, untill man started eating flesh foods.

Anyone who really studied the Bible.... can see those facts, for themselves.

I can see the facts that what you are spreading is malarkey.  Find me a 175+ year old vegetarian.  If not, stop twisting the words of God.

Um, it's fact not theory that vegetarians live longer.

For anyone interested in getting vitamins and minerals from raw juice. Consider using organic produce and take note of the amount of heat your juicer produces since this destroys enzymes. Using cold produce helps.
My favorite raw juice is a combination of:

Equal parts
Spinach
Kale
Parsley
Celery
Apple
2 Lemons
Ginger -length of a teaspoon

Mmmmm. It looks green but tastes like lemonade.

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 11:25:54

: Gary  Sat May 30, 2009 - 17:33:09

: 3AM  Sat May 30, 2009 - 14:15:19
A simple suggestion about eating flesh foods......don't.

Genesis   9:3   Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 
  9:4   But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 
  9:5   And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.  

God never made man to eat flesh foods.

God made man to be a vegetarian, and that is because God knows best, as God made man.

After the flood, God allowed man, to eat flesh foods, to cut down on man's lifespan.

The Bible has given the ages men lived to to show what happened before the flood, and after the flood.

Man, before the flood, lived to around 900 years old.

After the flood, man's lifespan dropped to 175, as the result of flesh foods.

Diseases were unknown, untill man started eating flesh foods.

Anyone who really studied the Bible.... can see those facts, for themselves.

I can see the facts that what you are spreading is malarkey.  Find me a 175+ year old vegetarian.  If not, stop twisting the words of God.

Um, it's fact not theory that vegetarians live longer.

I would like to see the evidence on that one.  It sounds to me like another of those bits of cherry picked facts.

But consider that Cain was a keeper of the gournd and brought the first of his fields as an offering to God.  Able was a keeper of sheep and brought the first of his flocks as an offering to God.  God considered Able's offering superior to that of Cain.  Why exactly we are not told.  But what do you think Able was raising those sheep for?  As an offering only?  I don't think so.  Can you say "food"?  If it wasn't for food, then I can understand why Cain was so upset with Able, sponging off of him that way.

The idea that man was vergetarian before the flood is bogus.  That simply wasn't the case.  Man can live quite nicely without carbohydrates.  He cannot live without protein.  People of the far north such as the Eskimo live quite nicely eating only animal sources of food without ever eating any vegetarian type of food.  It is not easy to get sufficient protein in a purely vegetarian diet, since most plants contain very little protein.  That is why vegetarian animals such as grazers, like cows, deer, horses or the even great apes always have such huge bellies.  It is required to process the large quantities of plant food needed to sustain them.

: Jimmy  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 12:14:32

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 11:25:54

: Gary  Sat May 30, 2009 - 17:33:09

: 3AM  Sat May 30, 2009 - 14:15:19
A simple suggestion about eating flesh foods......don't.

Genesis   9:3   Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.  
 9:4   But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.  
 9:5   And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.   

God never made man to eat flesh foods.

God made man to be a vegetarian, and that is because God knows best, as God made man.

After the flood, God allowed man, to eat flesh foods, to cut down on man's lifespan.

The Bible has given the ages men lived to to show what happened before the flood, and after the flood.

Man, before the flood, lived to around 900 years old.

After the flood, man's lifespan dropped to 175, as the result of flesh foods.

Diseases were unknown, untill man started eating flesh foods.

Anyone who really studied the Bible.... can see those facts, for themselves.

I can see the facts that what you are spreading is malarkey.  Find me a 175+ year old vegetarian.  If not, stop twisting the words of God.

Um, it's fact not theory that vegetarians live longer.

I would like to see the evidence on that one.  It sounds to me like another of those bits of cherry picked facts.

But consider that Cain was a keeper of the gournd and brought the first of his fields as an offering to God.  Able was a keeper of sheep and brought the first of his flocks as an offering to God.  God considered Able's offering superior to that of Cain.  Why exactly we are not told.  But what do you think Able was raising those sheep for?  As an offering only?  I don't think so.  Can you say "food"?  If it wasn't for food, then I can understand why Cain was so upset with Able, sponging off of him that way.

The idea that man was vergetarian before the flood is bogus.  That simply wasn't the case.  Man can live quite nicely without carbohydrates.  He cannot live without protein.  People of the far north such as the Eskimo live quite nicely eating only animal sources of food without ever eating any vegetarian type of food.  It is not easy to get sufficient protein in a purely vegetarian diet, since most plants contain very little protein.  That is why vegetarian animals such as grazers, like cows, deer, horses or the even great apes always have such huge bellies.  It is required to process the large quantities of plant food needed to sustain them.

I'm assuming the last paragraph is addressed to someone else. But, since you quoted me, I'll reply. What's cherry picked is the fact that you cannot see that this quote of yours

"But consider that Cain was a keeper of the gournd and brought the first of his fields as an offering to God.  Able was a keeper of sheep and brought the first of his flocks as an offering to God.  God considered Able's offering superior to that of Cain.  Why exactly we are not told."

has to do with living things having a SOUL. WHich is precious in the eye of the Lord. I would like to see direct quotes from the bible if you're going to fly into this discussion like you have some common sense.

Lev. 24:17, 18: "In case a man strikes any soul of mankind fatally, he should be put to death without fail. And the fatal striker of the soul of a domestic animal should make compensation for it, soul for soul.

Why do you persist in rudeness such as telling people they have no common sense, don't know anything, or that you "schooled" or "served" them.  It dilutes your point and makes the people on this forum less and less interested in interacting with you.  As a moderator, I'm telling you to stop it.

Soybeans also taste terrible and are being implicated by medical research of reduced testosterone levels in men, leading to men developing breasts and unstable emotions.

From LifeExtension dot org:

Unexpected Findings

Vegetarians suffer fewer heart attacks than meat eaters.  Interestingly, this benefit dissipates as vegetarians age. For instance, one study showed that vegetarians under the age of 65 were 45% less like to suffer a heart attack than were meat eaters. Once vegetarians reached the age of 80, however, their heart attack risk was only 8% lower than that of meat eaters.

Longevity studies of vegetarians produce conflicting data.  Some studies do not show that vegetarians live significantly longer. Two studies of people who consumed very little meat showed an average life-span increase of 3.6 years. A huge study of Seventh Day Adventists who ate little or no meat showed longevity increases of 7.28 years in men and 4.42 years in women. These data are confounded by the fact that Seventh Day Adventists follow healthy lifestyles free of tobacco and alcohol.

Studies suggest that the longevity benefits conferred by a vegetarian diet dissipate as humans age.  This implies that while vegetarian diets reduce disease risk, restricting one's diet to only plant foods does not completely protect against the effects of aging.

Here's the link for footnotes and the entire article: http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_awsi_01.htm

I am still waiting for an answer to what Able was doing with all those sheep if he wasn't eating them.

And it is interesting to see that Cain, I assume, was raising soy beans.

I am with OldDad, soy beans taste terrible.  The best thing that you can do with it is make feed for cows, chickens and hogs.   ::smile::

I actually like cherries.  You can use them to make one of my favorite pies.

Interesting perspective on soybeans and related products here:

http://searchwarp.com/swa20340.htm

Here's an excerpt:

The Israeli Health Ministry warns that children under 16 should eat soy foods no more that once per day and a maximum of 3 times a week, that babies never receive soy formula, and that adults exercise caution when consuming soy products.  The Ministry took its advice from a 23 member committee of nutritionists, oncologists, pediatricians who spent a year examining the evidence.

July of 2005 the Cornell University's Program of breast Cancer and Environmental Risk factors warned that soy food consumption can increase breast cell multiplication, increasing risk for breast cancer.

In 2002, the British Committee on Toxicity of Chemicals in food, Consumer Products and Environment found no merit in most of the health claims of soy. They identified infants on soy formula, vegetarians who use soy as a primary source of protein, and adults trying to prevent disease with soy foods and soy supplements as all being at risk for thyroid damage.

------------

Still not giving up my soy sauce at the Chinese restaurant, though...

Not to mention all the other crap our meat is pumped with these days...

Why are hormones used in food production?

Certain hormones can make young animals gain weight faster. They help reduce the waiting time and the amount of feed eaten by an animal before slaughter in meat industries. In dairy cows, hormones can be used to increase milk production. Thus, hormones can increase the profitability of the meat and dairy industries.

Studies done so far do not provide evidence to state that hormone residues in meat or dairy products cause any human health effects. However, a conclusion on lack of human health effect can only be made after large-scale studies compare the health of people who eat meat or dairy products from hormone-treated animals, to people who eat a similar diet, but from untreated animals.

http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/Factsheet/Diet/fs37.hormones.cfm

I don't know about you, but I am NOT anyone's guinea pig.

Some healthy diet tips that also help reduce exposure to hormones used in food production

While currently available evidence does not indicate a link between eating meat, milk or dairy products from hormone-treated animals and any health effects, adopting some known healthy diet habits (see below) can help reduce exposure to hormones used in meat, poultry and dairy production.

Eat a varied diet, rich in fruits, grains and vegetables.
Eat meats in moderation, well cooked, but not charred.
Eat more lean muscle meat, less liver and fat.

source above

The other health hazards from eating meat come directly from their farming practices. The animals are treated with high levels of antibiotics to prevent illnesses from the poor living conditions in their stalls. These antibiotics lodge themselves in the animals' muscles and cells, and are transfered to humans when we eat them. Then our bodies create a resistance to those antibiotics so that if we needed to take them, they would not cure the disease.
The animals are also fed high amounts of food treated with pesticides and fertilizers, which we directly ingest when eating the animal. About 70% of the fertilizers in the US are used for agriculture, not for planting our gardens. Pesticides and fertilizers in our food are a huge health hazard. Also, because the slaughterhouses need to process a huge amount of meat very quickly in order to make a profit, the entire slaughtering process has been sped up.

http://www.vegan-nutritionista.com/health-hazards.html

Top 12 Foods to Eat Organic:
Not all of us can afford to go 100% organic every time we shop. The solution? Focus on those foods that come with the heaviest burden of pesticides, additives and hormones. According to the Environmental Working Group (EWG), consumers can reduce their pesticide exposure by 80% by avoiding the most contaminated fruits and vegetables and eating only the cleanest. If consumers get their USDA-recommended 5 daily servings of fruits and veggies from the 15 most contaminated, they could consume an average of 10 pesticides a day. Those who eat the 15 least contaminated conventionally grown produce ingest less than 2 pesticides daily.

http://www.thedailygreen.com/healthy-eating/eat-safe/Dirty-Dozen-Foods








"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -- Albert Einstein

: OldDad  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 12:43:45
Why do you persist in rudeness such as telling people they have no common sense, don't know anything, or that you "schooled" or "served" them.  It dilutes your point and makes the people on this forum less and less interested in interacting with you.  As a moderator, I'm telling you to stop it.

Soybeans also taste terrible and are being implicated by medical research of reduced testosterone levels in men, leading to men developing breasts and unstable emotions.

From LifeExtension dot org:

Unexpected Findings

Vegetarians suffer fewer heart attacks than meat eaters.  Interestingly, this benefit dissipates as vegetarians age. For instance, one study showed that vegetarians under the age of 65 were 45% less like to suffer a heart attack than were meat eaters. Once vegetarians reached the age of 80, however, their heart attack risk was only 8% lower than that of meat eaters.

Longevity studies of vegetarians produce conflicting data.  Some studies do not show that vegetarians live significantly longer. Two studies of people who consumed very little meat showed an average life-span increase of 3.6 years. A huge study of Seventh Day Adventists who ate little or no meat showed longevity increases of 7.28 years in men and 4.42 years in women. These data are confounded by the fact that Seventh Day Adventists follow healthy lifestyles free of tobacco and alcohol.

Studies suggest that the longevity benefits conferred by a vegetarian diet dissipate as humans age.  This implies that while vegetarian diets reduce disease risk, restricting one's diet to only plant foods does not completely protect against the effects of aging.

Here's the link for footnotes and the entire article: http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_awsi_01.htm

Why do you insist on butting in on something you have no knowledge on? I was replying in kind. If your mind was bias free, you'd have noticed.

As a moderator, I'm telling you to stop it.   ::bowing::
rofl rofl rofl

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:03:15

Why do you insist on butting in on something you have no knowledge on? I was replying in kind. If your mind was bias free, you'd have noticed.

I remind you that I am speaking as a moderator, and you still persist in rude comments.  You need to stop now.

I looked at jimmy's post and found nothing to suggest that you were a "know nothing," that you lacked common sense or that he had "schooled" you or "served" you.

The only questionable thing was the mention of "cherry picked facts" - hardly grounds for being accused of being stupid.

I suggest you review the board rules on how to respond to moderation, particularly rule 2.6

Here's the link: Forum Rules (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,13977.0.html)

: OldDad  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:08:31

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:03:15

Why do you insist on butting in on something you have no knowledge on? I was replying in kind. If your mind was bias free, you'd have noticed.

I remind you that I am speaking as a moderator, and you still persist in rude comments.  You need to stop now.

I looked at jimmy's post and found nothing to suggest that you were a "know nothing," that you lacked common sense or that he had "schooled" you or "served" you.

The only questionable thing was the mention of "cherry picked facts" - hardly grounds for being accused of being stupid.

I suggest you review the board rules on how to respond to moderation, particularly rule 2.6

Here's the link: Forum Rules (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,13977.0.html)

I did not call him stupid. I asked  that he have the common sense to quote the bible and not write his own words. Please stop putting words in my mouth. I did not call this man stupid. I responded in kind to his post. But I won't ask people to be logical anymore. I'll just pretend we aren't debating. OK

Are you sure you're not upset about my asking if you were 80 and living in a box in another thread? Specifically the "Why do so many people speak of karma like it actually exists?" thread.

Holding grudges is very unhealthy. I'm gonna pray for you.

You develop a thick skin when you get to be 80 ::noworries:: but I can always use prayer.  Thanks.

No, you didn't call Jimmy stupid.  I'm sorry for putting those words in your mouth, and hope you will accept my apology.

And I'm not discouraging lively debate - you can read my body of posts here and see that I can be feisty as hell.

I'm asking you to leave off the "you got served" and "sorry to school you" type comments - it borders on "brinking" or "flaming" - and to stop accusing people who expresses another point of view or have an honest disagreement of not know what they're talking about.  "Responding in kind" - and we all do it, unfortunately - doesn't seem to be in keeping with the Golden Rule as taught by Jesus.

You offer some good points and provide a point of view that isn't always well represented here.  I wouldn't want you to squander that by insulting people who hold contrary views.

I offer this in a spirit of peace, "burying the hatchet" and friendship.

How to reduce cholesterol (which can kill you in high amounts, might I add  ::lookaround::)

Animal Fats
Animal products as a group are a major source of saturated fat in the average American diet. Butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, and cream all contain high amounts of saturated fat. Saturated fat is also concentrated in the fat that surrounds meat and in the white streaks of fat in the muscle of meat (marbling). Poultry, fish, and shellfish also contain saturated fat, although generally less than meat.

http://www.annecollins.com/low-cholesterol-diet.htm

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:41:58
How to reduce cholesterol (which can kill you in high amounts, might I add  ::lookaround::)

So can water.  But I would highly recommend that you not stop drinking it.

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:41:58
Animal Fats
Animal products as a group are a major source of saturated fat in the average American diet. Butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, and cream all contain high amounts of saturated fat. Saturated fat is also concentrated in the fat that surrounds meat and in the white streaks of fat in the muscle of meat (marbling). Poultry, fish, and shellfish also contain saturated fat, although generally less than meat.

http://www.annecollins.com/low-cholesterol-diet.htm

If what you say is true, then virtually all Eskimos would die from the heart attacks saturated fats supposedly cause.  They chew on blubber as a snack and a "candy".  But that is not true.  In fact it was nearly nonexistant until they interacted with the white man from the lower 48 and picked up some of the bad habits that are the likely cause of those heart attacks.

As for the fat, perhaps you didn't realize it but it is the fat that gives the flavor to most meat including chicken.  There is no comparison in the flavor of chicken cooked with its skin and fat in place versus one that is skinless and devoid of fat.  But that is personal preference.  I will stay with my steaks, pork chops and good ole southern fried chicken.  You partake of all of the veggies you wish.  For me, I will let a good salad before the main course along with a couple of side dishes of vegetables suffice.

Bon Appetit

: Jimmy  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 14:37:01

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:41:58
How to reduce cholesterol (which can kill you in high amounts, might I add  ::lookaround::)

So can water.  But I would highly recommend that you not stop drinking it.

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:41:58
Animal Fats
Animal products as a group are a major source of saturated fat in the average American diet. Butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, and cream all contain high amounts of saturated fat. Saturated fat is also concentrated in the fat that surrounds meat and in the white streaks of fat in the muscle of meat (marbling). Poultry, fish, and shellfish also contain saturated fat, although generally less than meat.

http://www.annecollins.com/low-cholesterol-diet.htm

If what you say is true, then virtually all Eskimos would die from the heart attacks saturated fats supposedly cause.  They chew on blubber as a snack and a "candy".  But that is not true.  In fact it was nearly nonexistant until they interacted with the white man from the lower 48 and picked up some of the bad habits that are the likely cause of those heart attacks.

As for the fat, perhaps you didn't realize it but it is the fat that gives the flavor to most meat including chicken.  There is no comparison in the flavor of chicken cooked with its skin and fat in place versus one that is skinless and devoid of fat.  But that is personal preference.  I will stay with my steaks, pork chops and good ole southern fried chicken.  You partake of all of the veggies you wish.  For me, I will let a good salad before the main course along with a couple of side dishes of vegetables suffice.

Bon Appetit

WOW, I didn't once say to stop cholesterol completely. I did state that HIGH cholesterol can kill you. Therefore, adding to my point that meat is not healthier than vegetables.

Actually, if you were paying attention and didn't fly in here-blah blah-you know the rest-you'd have noticed my post stating that I am NOT vegetarian. I happen to enjoy grass-fed organic steak once in a while.
You replied to my post "vegetarians live longer, which is a fact." I in turn gave you the evidence you demanded which shows how meat is the least healthiest of all our food (I'm excluding eggs and fish/shellfish).

Now please, dear Jimmy: where is your direct article, link or quote proving that eskimos were introduced to heart disease by WHITE men and also that eskimos diets are 100% "blubber?"

I think we can learn from each other.  ::pondering::

Here's some help on your debating from PC Perspective:
I see so much emotionally based debate and irrationality, that it's saddening how we often forget how to use facts, knowledge and most importantly, skepticism, to formulate our viewpoints. Step back from your political convictions, and step away from your emotion for just a second. Allow for one moment that maybe, just maybe, the leaders of your political party are fallible. Release the partisan beliefs you hold, and your conceived notions about persons, and weigh each man's words equally. Weigh them as if you do not know his beliefs. Let his words speak, rather than let your thoughts about his character obscure his word's meaning. I find that all too often, before someone has spoken, he has already been labeled as either "enemy or friend", and is summarily treated as so.

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=324134

 ::shrug::

: OldDad  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:36:38
You develop a thick skin when you get to be 80 ::noworries:: but I can always use prayer.  Thanks.

No, you didn't call Jimmy stupid.  I'm sorry for putting those words in your mouth, and hope you will accept my apology.

And I'm not discouraging lively debate - you can read my body of posts here and see that I can be feisty as hell.

I'm asking you to leave off the "you got served" and "sorry to school you" type comments - it borders on "brinking" or "flaming" - and to stop accusing people who expresses another point of view or have an honest disagreement of not know what they're talking about.  "Responding in kind" - and we all do it, unfortunately - doesn't seem to be in keeping with the Golden Rule as taught by Jesus.

You offer some good points and provide a point of view that isn't always well represented here.  I wouldn't want you to squander that by insulting people who hold contrary views.

I offer this in a spirit of peace, "burying the hatchet" and friendship.

Thank you. This sort of issue should be dealt with through a personal message. I should have left the schooled you part out. There are many people on here who do worst. But I am not one to point fingers. I will be careful.  ::tippinghat::

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 14:48:44

: Jimmy  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 14:37:01

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:41:58
How to reduce cholesterol (which can kill you in high amounts, might I add  ::lookaround::)

So can water.  But I would highly recommend that you not stop drinking it.

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 13:41:58
Animal Fats
Animal products as a group are a major source of saturated fat in the average American diet. Butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, and cream all contain high amounts of saturated fat. Saturated fat is also concentrated in the fat that surrounds meat and in the white streaks of fat in the muscle of meat (marbling). Poultry, fish, and shellfish also contain saturated fat, although generally less than meat.

http://www.annecollins.com/low-cholesterol-diet.htm

If what you say is true, then virtually all Eskimos would die from the heart attacks saturated fats supposedly cause.  They chew on blubber as a snack and a "candy".  But that is not true.  In fact it was nearly nonexistant until they interacted with the white man from the lower 48 and picked up some of the bad habits that are the likely cause of those heart attacks.

As for the fat, perhaps you didn't realize it but it is the fat that gives the flavor to most meat including chicken.  There is no comparison in the flavor of chicken cooked with its skin and fat in place versus one that is skinless and devoid of fat.  But that is personal preference.  I will stay with my steaks, pork chops and good ole southern fried chicken.  You partake of all of the veggies you wish.  For me, I will let a good salad before the main course along with a couple of side dishes of vegetables suffice.

Bon Appetit

WOW, I didn't once say to stop cholesterol completely. I did state that HIGH cholesterol can kill you. Therefore, adding to my point that meat is not healthier than vegetables.

Actually, if you were paying attention and didn't fly in here-blah blah-you know the rest-you'd have noticed my post stating that I am NOT vegetarian. I happen to enjoy grass-fed organic steak once in a while.
You replied to my post "vegetarians live longer, which is a fact." I in turn gave you the evidence you demanded which shows how meat is the least healthiest of all our food (I'm excluding eggs and fish/shellfish).

Now please, dear Jimmy: where is your direct article, link or quote proving that eskimos were introduced to heart disease by WHITE men and also that eskimos diets are 100% "blubber?"

Actually, if you were paying attention and didn't fly in here-blah blah-you know the rest-you'd have noticed my post that I didn't say anything about you being a vegetrian.  eskimos diets being 100% "blubber"


And...

Actually, if you were paying attention and didn't fly in here-blah blah-you know the rest-you'd have noticed my post that I didn't say anything about eskimos diets being 100% "blubber"


As far as Eskimos and heart disease, there is no lack of literature on it.  Google it and make of it what you will.

: Jimmy  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 12:51:23


I am with OldDad, soy beans taste terrible.  The best thing that you can do with it is make feed for cows, chickens and hogs.   ::smile::

I actually like cherries.  You can use them to make one of my favorite pies.

Please look at the debating tactics link I posted:   http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=324134

God Bless Sweetheart

Jimmy:
In fact it was nearly nonexistant until they interacted with the white man from the lower 48 and picked up some of the bad habits that are the likely cause of those heart attacks...They chew on blubber as a snack and a "candy".
If what you say is true, then virtually all Eskimos would die from the heart attacks saturated fats supposedly cause

Fem2009:

Now please, dear Jimmy: where is your direct article, link or quote proving  that eskimos were introduced to heart disease by WHITE men and also that eskimos diets are 100% "blubber."


I would make you that cherry pie you're asking for:

Jimmy: You can use them to make one of my favorite pies.

Fem2009: Except, I'm not your woman.  ::applause::

Personally, I agree with Fem, if you look at what she's talking about it makes plenty of sense.
Just read it and see for yourself... you don't have to follow the advice...but I'll go with her on this one.

And I want blueberry pie.


And maybe I'm being soft, but shouldn't as Christians there be a bit more kindess.
No one will knows there a Light if you just seem to be fighting. Maybe show a bit more of kindess when you are trying to counter someones information on here.

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 17:41:31

: Jimmy  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 12:51:23


I am with OldDad, soy beans taste terrible.  The best thing that you can do with it is make feed for cows, chickens and hogs.   ::smile::

I actually like cherries.  You can use them to make one of my favorite pies.

Please look at the debating tactics link I posted:   http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=324134

God Bless Sweetheart

Hey baby cakes, I am not your sweetheart.

This was not a debate about whether or not I like soybeans or cherries.  It was simply a statement.  Neither was it a debate about what I think might the best thing to do with soybeans.  Feel free to eat all the soy beans you want.

Seems others may agree with me on the best use for soybeans.


How Soybeans are Used   
When the farmer sells soybeans to a grain dealer, the beans may then go to a number of ultimate destinations. When processed, a 60-pound bushel will yield about 11 pounds of crude soybean oil and 47 pounds of soybean meal.  Soybeans are about 18% oil and 38% protein.  Because soybeans are high in protein, they are a major ingredient in livestock feed. Most soybeans are processed for their oil and protein for the animal feed industry.  A smaller percentage is processed for human consumption and made into products including soy milk, soy flour, soy protein, tofu and many retail food products. Soybeans are also used in many non-food (industrial) products.

(http://www.ncsoy.org/ABOUTSOYBEANS/UsesofSoybeans/tabid/1012/Default.aspx)

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 17:51:15

Fem2009: Except, I'm not your woman.  ::applause::

That is something we can both agree on and at least I am quite happy about that.  Makes me wonder though, whose "woman" are you?

: Jimmy  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 22:03:36

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 17:41:31

: Jimmy  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 12:51:23


I am with OldDad, soy beans taste terrible.  The best thing that you can do with it is make feed for cows, chickens and hogs.   ::smile::

I actually like cherries.  You can use them to make one of my favorite pies.

Please look at the debating tactics link I posted:   http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=324134

God Bless Sweetheart

Hey baby cakes, I am not your sweetheart.

This was not a debate about whether or not I like soybeans or cherries.  It was simply a statement.  Neither was it a debate about what I think might the best thing to do with soybeans.  Feel free to eat all the soy beans you want.

::tippinghat::  Goodbye! Get some help.

: Jimmy  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 22:07:38

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 17:51:15

Fem2009: Except, I'm not your woman.  ::applause::

That is something we can both agree on and at least I am quite happy about that.  Makes me wonder though, whose "woman" are you?

You're so smitten.  ::disco::

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 22:09:47

: Jimmy  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 22:07:38

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 17:51:15

Fem2009: Except, I'm not your woman.  ::applause::

That is something we can both agree on and at least I am quite happy about that.  Makes me wonder though, whose "woman" are you?

You're so smitten.  ::disco::

Thank you,  Coming from you I take that as a compliment.   ::smile::

 ::crackup::

It almost seems that there are two things going on here ---one, someone needs to learn how to use spices so that soybeans are delicious.
Second ---there seems to always be the "battle" of the sexes.

Women just naturally say things like "Sweetheart, honey, dear" ---we are nurturers, mothers -----then a man comes along on a forum and says, "I'm not your sweetheart."
And crushes the innocent natural nurturing love of a woman ---I see it alot and it is a shame bec it stops me from my true nature to simply say "dear" sometimes.

:)Elaine

Fem2009 - I have a J.LaLanne juicer but have not used it yet. Was a vegetarian for 15 years ---very strictly.

: Elaine  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 22:41:22
It almost seems that there are two things going on here ---one, someone needs to learn how to use spices so that soybeans are delicious.
Second ---there seems to always be the "battle" of the sexes.

Women just naturally say things like "Sweetheart, honey, dear" ---we are nurturers, mothers -----then a man comes along on a forum and says, "I'm not your sweetheart."
And crushes the innocent natural nurturing love of a woman ---I see it alot and it is a shame bec it stops me from my true nature to simply say "dear" sometimes.

:)Elaine

Fem2009 - I have a J.LaLanne juicer but have not used it yet. Was a vegetarian for 15 years ---very strictly.

Elaine,

I'm not vegetarian. I was pesce/octo for a few years. I don't know if I have it in me for 15 years worth! You'll definitely reap the benefits...

"Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox with hatred within." ~ Proverbs 15:17

: Elaine  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 22:41:22
It almost seems that there are two things going on here ---one, someone needs to learn how to use spices so that soybeans are delicious.
Second ---there seems to always be the "battle" of the sexes.

Women just naturally say things like "Sweetheart, honey, dear" ---we are nurturers, mothers -----then a man comes along on a forum and says, "I'm not your sweetheart."
And crushes the innocent natural nurturing love of a woman ---I see it alot and it is a shame bec it stops me from my true nature to simply say "dear" sometimes.

:)Elaine

Fem2009 - I have a J.LaLanne juicer but have not used it yet. Was a vegetarian for 15 years ---very strictly.

I don't believe soybeans are healthy.  I believe they are a garbage food like corn. 

One Question:   Did God make Adam & Eve a meat eater, or vegetarian ?



That question, properly answered, should close all discussion, as to whether man is suppose to eat flesh foods, or not.

In other words, what was the original diet for man/woman ?

: 3AM  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:17:59

One Question:   Did God make Adam & Eve a meat eater, or vegetarian ?



That question, properly answered, should close all discussion, as to whether man is suppose to eat flesh foods, or not.

In other words, what was the original diet for man/woman ?

Pork chops grew on the trees.

: Gary  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:24:45
Pork chops grew on the trees.

And you'll next tell me, that you have a money tree  in your back yard ?

: 3AM  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:28:13

: Gary  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:24:45
Pork chops grew on the trees.

And you'll next tell me, that you have a money tree  in your back yard ?

Nope.

Here is a question for you:

Did Jesus eat lamb and fish?

: Gary  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:31:15

: 3AM  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:28:13

: Gary  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:24:45
Pork chops grew on the trees.

And you'll next tell me, that you have a money tree  in your back yard ?

Nope.

Here is a question for you:

Did Jesus eat lamb and fish?

Yes Sir.

And, they were kosher.

Meaning, no blood in them, at all.

God says not to eat any flesh foods with the blood in them.

And the blood, is what gives meats their flavor.

We are following a heart healthy diet, losing weight and feeling good.  My wife gives me every vitamin know to man , we eat lost of veg., fish, chicken, a little meat, Green beans, Lima beans, butter beans, navy beans, pinto beans, brown beans but you can keep the soy beans.  Tofu is terrible and burgers should be made of beef not soy beans.  I feed them to my cows so I can have a good burger.

: 3AM  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:41:06

: Gary  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:31:15

: 3AM  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:28:13

: Gary  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 19:24:45
Pork chops grew on the trees.

And you'll next tell me, that you have a money tree  in your back yard ?

Nope.

Here is a question for you:

Did Jesus eat lamb and fish?

Yes Sir.

And, they were kosher.

Meaning, no blood in them, at all.

God says not to eat any flesh foods with the blood in them.

And the blood, is what gives meats their flavor.

I don't eat meat with blood in them.  Guess my bacon must be kosher.

actually the reference was to meat that had been strangled rather than it throat cut and bleed out.  Has nothing to do with Kosher. Except that they are slatered in an acceptible (kosher) way. 

: Gary  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 20:11:27
I don't eat meat with blood in them.  Guess my bacon must be kosher.

A word to the wise.......those who eat bacon, or any forbidden flesh foods......will not get into heaven.

Isaiah  66:15   For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 

  66:16   For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 

  66:17   They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. 

Unless You are a Jew and do not accept the NTthere are no forbiden meats.

: Johnb  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 05:45:36
Unless You are a Jew and do not accept the NTthere are no forbiden meats.

People often forget that what God says....... applies to each and every person on earth, regardless of race or nationality.

God made the jews the bearers of God's word, to everyone on earth.
That was their mission, to spread what God said, to every other nation on earth.

They failed in that endeavor......so God went to other people (Gentiles) to do what the Nation of Israel failed to do.

: 3AM  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 21:13:10

: Gary  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 20:11:27
I don't eat meat with blood in them.  Guess my bacon must be kosher.

A word to the wise.......those who eat bacon, or any forbidden flesh foods......will not get into heaven.

Colossians 2:16 "So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink..."  

God showed Peter a blanket full of forbidden foods and declared them "clean".  

Paul wrote to the Gentile Christians in Corinth "...you may eat any meat that is sold in the marketplace without raising questions of conscience.  For 'the earth is the Lord's, and everything in it'.

But if you die of heart attack, you're the one to blame...

: 3AM  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 21:13:10

: Gary  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 20:11:27
I don't eat meat with blood in them.  Guess my bacon must be kosher.

A word to the wise.......those who eat bacon, or any forbidden flesh foods......will not get into heaven.

Isaiah  66:15   For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 

  66:16   For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 

  66:17   They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. 

Read the New Testament.  But throw out Peter's vision. 

: Fem2009  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 12:35:26
But if you die of heart attack, you're the one to blame...

If you eat all things in moderation and exercise, a bit of bacon won't do a bit of harm.

Is it sinful to kill yourself?

Leviticus 11:8
Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you....

11:41
And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.....

Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

God promised freedom from disease and sickness if we follow His commands and His laws.   I hope you will consider some of what Scripture says on so important a subject.  This is why faith is required because without it you cannot please God.  In ancient times God accused His people of destroying themselves for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6).

There are so many places in Scripture where God forbids the eating of unclean foods.  Certain animals were identified as unclean before the flood.  They are still accounted unclean when Peter rejected them in his vision.  They are still unclean in Revelation 18:4 where it speaks of "unclean

: Johnb  Fri Jun 05, 2009 - 20:47:43
actually the reference was to meat that had been strangled rather than it throat cut and bleed out.  Has nothing to do with Kosher. Except that they are slatered in an acceptible (kosher) way. 

Thank you for your input. It's appreciated. I eat meat. However, I am very particular what I put in my body. It is important to know where your meat comes from and how that animal was treated. This is valuable information that can affect His temple.

No one is saying not to eat meat. It's the unhealthy meat and foods that people are fully aware they should not consume.

: OldDad link=topic=13164.msg654137#msg654137
quote]
Colossians 2:16 "So don't let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink..."  

Since both of these Bible verses are taken out of context...I should answer them.

God showed Peter a blanket full of forbidden foods and declared them "clean".  

The context of that is NOT talking about foods at all....BUT, is talking about men, as the chapter later shows very clearly.

OK...Peter's vison.

Acts 10:9   On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 
  10:10   And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 
  10:11   And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 
  10:12   Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 
  10:13   And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 
  10:14   But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 
  10:15   And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common. 
  10:16   This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven. 
  10:17   Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, 

10:28   And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. 

: Fem2009  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 12:53:25
Is it sinful to kill yourself?

Leviticus 11:8
Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you....

11:41
And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.....

Corinthians 3:16-17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

God promised freedom from disease and sickness if we follow His commands and His laws.   I hope you will consider some of what Scripture says on so important a subject.  This is why faith is required because without it you cannot please God.  In ancient times God accused His people of destroying themselves for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6).

There are so many places in Scripture where God forbids the eating of unclean foods.  Certain animals were identified as unclean before the flood.  They are still accounted unclean when Peter rejected them in his vision.  They are still unclean in Revelation 18:4 where it speaks of "unclean

: 3AM  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 12:57:41

: OldDad link=topic=13164.msg654137#msg654137
quote]
Colossians 2:16 "So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink..." 

Since both of these Bible verses are taken out of context...I should answer them.

God showed Peter a blanket full of forbidden foods and declared them "clean". 

The context of that is NOT talking about foods at all....BUT, is talking about men, as the chapter later shows very clearly.

They are only "out of context" for you because they contradict the tradition teachings of your denomination.

This one is pretty scary for those that teach "do not eat" doctrines:

1 TIM 4

1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

No man made institution is "His church".  He attacked the believes of your denomination not the spiritual assembly of God.

Fem.
Even though I have been a meat eater for over 60 years (steak 3-5 night a week all the pork I wanted etc) when I had a heart cath I had no blockage.  I am in need of a new heart valve ( a congenital problem runs in my family)  That being said I am on a heart healthy diet now.  We try to raise as much of the veg. as we can without chemicals.  We have a small farm and we are going to buy a few head of cattle again so when we do eat beef we know it has been raised on grass without growth hormones etc.  I will get a new aortic valve the last day of June and hope I will be good to go for another 20 or more years.   

: Johnb  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 14:00:02
No man made institution is "His church".  He attacked the believes of your denomination not the spiritual assembly of God.

Fem.
Even though I have been a meat eater for over 60 years (steak 3-5 night a week all the pork I wanted etc) when I had a heart cath I had no blockage.  I am in need of a new heart valve ( a congenital problem runs in my family)  That being said I am on a heart healthy diet now.  We try to raise as much of the veg. as we can without chemicals.  We have a small farm and we are going to buy a few head of cattle again so when we do eat beef we know it has been raised on grass without growth hormones etc.  I will get a new aortic valve the last day of June and hope I will be good to go for another 20 or more years.   

Hi John
I am sorry to hear that you are in need of a new heart valve. I will pray for you to stay strong and find your donor one day. Yes, I know it's possible to have a heart attack that's not related to poor diet. There are, however, many people who have heart attacks as a result of poor diet.

God Bless  ::hug::

: Gary  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 13:04:20
This one is pretty scary for those that teach "do not eat" doctrines:

1 TIM 4

1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

I'll tell ya, high-fructose corn syrup is SOOOO good.

Fem
Thanks for your prayers.
Actually I will be having surgery on June 30.  It is about the same surgery that Barabra Bush and Robin Williams had.  I will be getting a tisssue valve Carpenter Edwards Parmont Bovine (cow) valve.  (same one Robin williams got)

I am getting rid of all the risk factors I can control.  I have lost 27 lbs so far on a heart healthy diet.  I don't smoke or have high BP, diabeates or high colestrol so hopefully this should fix me.  I am hoping for no complications after surgery.   

: Johnb  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 16:55:29
Fem
Thanks for your prayers.
Actually I will be having surgery on June 30.  It is about the same surgery that Barabra Bush and Robin Williams had.  I will be getting a tisssue valve Carpenter Edwards Parmont Bovine (cow) valve.  (same one Robin williams got)

I am getting rid of all the risk factors I can control.  I have lost 27 lbs so far on a heart healthy diet.  I don't smoke or have high BP, diabeates or high colestrol so hopefully this should fix me.  I am hoping for no complications after surgery.  

WOW, I knew about pig valves being used. How long have they been using cow valves? Amazing. Then you are on your way to better health  ::noworries:: If you're eating healthy pre and post surgery, you shouldn't have too many complications. After my surgery I had complications from the anesthesia. My experience was different, however. I had to have one surgery and then an emergency one the next day, which I wasn't prepared for. On the night after having my surgery, no one would listen to me when I said that I didn't feel right. I even had my ex boyfriend call an ambulance at three in the morning, they checked my stats and said my pressure and everything was fine "it's normal to not feel your best." They left and I couldn't sleep the whole night. At 6am I had to beg my boyfriend to call my surgeon and HE even said "your fine, it's normal to have pain and swelling (on pain meds, mind you) and many people call me for false alarms." I told him I know that I am not ok. He gave me an appointment for 1pm. When I got there, I was weak and could not speak, my blood pressure was very low. My ex-boyfriend told me that my surgeon opened me up and had the weirdest look on his face like that scratching your head in aaaw look. Nevertheless, it was a Saturday and none of his surgery team were there. I had to be rushed to a local hospital for another surgery for internal bleeding. I am happy today that I'm alive.

John, you will be fine if you take care of your body and trust your instincts. It would help if you have people you can trust and that will take care of you in your time of need. ANOTHER reason we need spouses!

God Bless you and guide you...

Did God answer Peter's objection to eating the animals on the sheet by telling him that He had called them "clean" or did He not?  In fact, He did it three times.

I KNOW the context and that it was to direct Peter to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.  That doesn't change one whit the fact that God called the animals on the sheet "clean."

: OldDad  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 17:46:55
Did God answer Peter's objection to eating the animals on the sheet by telling him that He had called them "clean" or did He not?  In fact, He did it three times.

I KNOW the context and that it was to direct Peter to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.  That doesn't change one whit the fact that God called the animals on the sheet "clean."

Not that I don't believe you. Can you please quote from the Bible what you're speaking about?

: Fem2009  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 17:53:25

: OldDad  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 17:46:55
Did God answer Peter's objection to eating the animals on the sheet by telling him that He had called them "clean" or did He not?  In fact, He did it three times.

I KNOW the context and that it was to direct Peter to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.  That doesn't change one whit the fact that God called the animals on the sheet "clean."

Not that I don't believe you. Can you please quote from the Bible what you're speaking about?

3AM already quoted it in this post

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php/topic,13164.msg654181.html#msg654181

Fem.

Actually the valve is made from the pericardium (sac that is around the heart) of a cow.  They also are now growing valves from stem cells but it is not out of trials yet.  They also can put a valve in through the aorta the same way they do a heart cath.  However, it is only being done in folks who can not have OHS. They don't know the long term results yet.  The surgeon I am using was trained by the man that pioneered valve replacement, aortic repair and came up with the concept of cooling folks down while on the heart lung machine.  He is one of the best.  I was getting ready to have a hip replacement when I discovered the valve had gone bad.  I injured it years ago jumping out of airplanes in the army and it has to be replaced.  When I heal up from the heart surgery I will get the new hip then I will be a new man.   

PS Old dad was correct on the Peter story.  The diet restrictions in the OT had much to do with avoiding animals that carried health risks at that time.

Johnb - what's the difference/benefit/value of pig/bovine valves over mechanical valves?

I ask because a young lady - 20 yrs old - in our church just had a mechanical valve put in.

A few years ago most tissue valves, pig, cow, or homograph (from a dead person) usually only lasted a few (5-10) years.  Now they are treated with special chemicals that help them last longer.  The pig valve is usually given to older folks like Barbara Bush (that is what she got)  Homographs are not in great supply and have not shown to be better than other tissue valves.  The cow valve should last 20 plus years even longer in folks my age 61. 

Now there are several mech. valves.  They are usually placed in younger folks because they can last indefinitely.  Also young folks tend to wear out the tissue valves at a much faster pace.  The big down side of mech. valves is the need to take coumidin ( a blood thinner) for the rest of your life.  It has to be monitored very closely and has some serious side effects.  This is needed because the mech. valves smash blood cells as they close and need the blood thinner to reduce the chance of stroke and heart attack from clots.  One of the newer mech valves Onx does less damage to the blood cells and they are doing trials now to see if the blood thinner can be reduced or eliminated and use only aspirin.  Another advantage of mech/ valves in younger people it reduces the risk of re operation.  However, many younger folks are opting for tissue valve and hoping for something better when the first one wears out.  ( They are making tissue valves from a persons stem cells now and that could be the long term answer in the future.  Also re operation is not as risky as it has been in the past as long as the rest of you health is good.  Perhaps more than you wanted to know?     

: Johnb  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 19:21:08
A few years ago most tissue valves, pig, cow, or homograph (from a dead person) usually only lasted a few (5-10) years.  Now they are treated with special chemicals that help them last longer.  The pig valve is usually given to older folks like Barbara Bush (that is what she got)  Homographs are not in great supply and have not shown to be better than other tissue valves.  The cow valve should last 20 plus years even longer in folks my age 61. 

Now there are several mech. valves.  They are usually placed in younger folks because they can last indefinitely.  Also young folks tend to wear out the tissue valves at a much faster pace.  The big down side of mech. valves is the need to take coumidin ( a blood thinner) for the rest of your life.  It has to be monitored very closely and has some serious side effects.  This is needed because the mech. valves smash blood cells as they close and need the blood thinner to reduce the chance of stroke and heart attack from clots.  One of the newer mech valves Onx does less damage to the blood cells and they are doing trials now to see if the blood thinner can be reduced or eliminated and use only aspirin.  Another advantage of mech/ valves in younger people it reduces the risk of re operation.  However, many younger folks are opting for tissue valve and hoping for something better when the first one wears out.  ( They are making tissue valves from a persons stem cells now and that could be the long term answer in the future.  Also re operation is not as risky as it has been in the past as long as the rest of you health is good.  Perhaps more than you wanted to know?     

hmmmm
We're well on our way to having extended life, aren't we? Very interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing John.

: Johnb  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 19:21:08
A few years ago most tissue valves, pig, cow, or homograph (from a dead person) usually only lasted a few (5-10) years.  Now they are treated with special chemicals that help them last longer.  The pig valve is usually given to older folks like Barbara Bush (that is what she got)  Homographs are not in great supply and have not shown to be better than other tissue valves.  The cow valve should last 20 plus years even longer in folks my age 61. 

Now there are several mech. valves.  They are usually placed in younger folks because they can last indefinitely.  Also young folks tend to wear out the tissue valves at a much faster pace.  The big down side of mech. valves is the need to take coumidin ( a blood thinner) for the rest of your life.  It has to be monitored very closely and has some serious side effects.  This is needed because the mech. valves smash blood cells as they close and need the blood thinner to reduce the chance of stroke and heart attack from clots.  One of the newer mech valves Onx does less damage to the blood cells and they are doing trials now to see if the blood thinner can be reduced or eliminated and use only aspirin.  Another advantage of mech/ valves in younger people it reduces the risk of re operation.  However, many younger folks are opting for tissue valve and hoping for something better when the first one wears out.  ( They are making tissue valves from a persons stem cells now and that could be the long term answer in the future.  Also re operation is not as risky as it has been in the past as long as the rest of you health is good.  Perhaps more than you wanted to know?     

Not at all - thanks for the info.  This young lady is on Coumidin and has had a pretty rough adjustment period, lots of swelling, and discomfort.

But she's alive...

http://valvereplacement.com/forums/
This is a forum she will find much information from.  Her C.  must be monitored weekly at first.  There are several there that self test and adjust their doseage.   It is more of a minor inconvenience after you learn what to do.  She will find much knowledge and support there.  Everyone there has either had valve replacement or like me are waiting to have it.  My guess is that like me she had a bicuspid aortic valve but went bad early.  There are several folks on there her age  with the same condition.

PS  after thought.  One thing that might help ease her mind we have folks on that forum that have been on coumidin for 50 years without serious side effects.

: 3AM  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 14:37:41

: Johnb  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 14:00:02
No man made institution is "His church".  He attacked the believes of your denomination not the spiritual assembly of God.

Revelation  14:12   Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.  

This is the description of the SDA church.

The SDA church also has the health message, from the Bible...which they teach.

The health message of the SDA Church is talked about in the bible, as a doctrine of demons.

: Fem2009  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 14:41:41

: Gary  Sat Jun 06, 2009 - 13:04:20
This one is pretty scary for those that teach "do not eat" doctrines:

1 TIM 4

1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

I'll tell ya, high-fructose corn syrup is SOOOO good.

If you have a problem with God's Word, take it up with Him.

Let's get back to the topic of vitamins and minerals.

Yes please.  Do you take B3 on a regular bases and do you get a flush from it?

: spurly  Sat May 27, 2006 - 09:24:41
What natural supplements would you suggest someone taking in order to keep their body healthy?

I take:

Vitamin E
Vitamin C
Selenium
One A Day Multiply Vitamins

What should I add or take away?

Whole food supplments, are far better than artificial stuff.

Many name brands do not break down fast enough in the body, to release their vitamins and minerals.
Centrum and one-a-day.....are classic examples of this failure to release their benefits before they pass out of the body, unused.

Minerals, are ALWAYS more important than vitamins.

ALL diseases and illnesses, are a direct result of some lack of vitamin or mineral.

I base that on some 30+ years of nutritional study and research.

: 3AM  Fri Jul 31, 2009 - 11:56:22
Whole food supplments, are far better than artificial stuff.

sometimes, there's little difference between "whole, & artificial", particularly when Processing for both is the same.

: 3AM  Fri Jul 31, 2009 - 11:56:22
Minerals, are ALWAYS more important than vitamins.

Actually they both serve vital functions, in synergy  ::smile::

: 3AM  Fri Jul 31, 2009 - 11:56:22
ALL diseases and illnesses, are a direct result of some lack of vitamin or mineral.

except when diseases, continue chronic  ::eek:: as a result of the mind's mistaken beliefs & decisions

: 3AM  Fri Jul 31, 2009 - 11:56:22
I base that on some 30+ years of nutritional study and research.

Mind & biochemistry major?  ::smile::

: Johnb  Sun Jun 07, 2009 - 18:48:56
Yes please.  Do you take B3 on a regular bases and do you get a flush from it?

Yes daily, with no flush, in a balanced 'coenzyme B-complex' :)

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 11:40:28
My favorite raw juice is a combination of:
Equal parts
Spinach
Kale
Parsley
Celery
Apple
2 Lemons
Ginger -length of a teaspoon

Mmmmm. It looks green but tastes like lemonade.

that's about 1/3 of our 'Salad-fixin's', we enjoy savoring :) 4x weekly

: Fem2009  Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 11:40:28
And then we come to us, in todays world, where diseases, illnesses, are the direct result of diet.

Each generation grows more sickly, as shown both degenerative diseases hitting more younger people.

Old people diseases, now attacking younger people.

that each generation's ...false-imprinting continues plaguing people, is hitting/punitive,
but dis-ease doesn't 'attack'.

People, once healed  ::applause:: live whole!  ::clappingoverhead::