"Religion can be the enemy of God. It's often what happens when God, like
Elvis, has left the building. A list of instructions where there was once
conviction; dogma where once people just did it; a congregation led by a man
where once they were led by the Holy Spirit. Discipline replacing
discipleship."
I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.
http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv
Somehow I know exactly what that video will say before I even go look at it.
Yew R Sew Predikkybul. ::disco::
I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately. The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).
(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)
Generally, I like Bono's music; I like his politics; I am not a big fan of his tendency to speak as a religious authority.
blessings
: marc Tue Aug 28, 2007 - 18:35:50
I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately. The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).
(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)
That just goes to show why we should drink beer. We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.
: Mere Nick Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 08:46:37
: marc Tue Aug 28, 2007 - 18:35:50
I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately. The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).
(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)
That just goes to show why we should drink beer. We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.
All week, everyone's been telling me I should drink beer.
: marc Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 15:58:50
: Mere Nick Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 08:46:37
: marc Tue Aug 28, 2007 - 18:35:50
I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately. The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).
(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)
That just goes to show why we should drink beer. We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.
All week, everyone's been telling me I should drink beer.
Don't listen, you don't need to drink beer to be safe from Islam.
: marc Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 15:58:50
: Mere Nick Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 08:46:37
: marc Tue Aug 28, 2007 - 18:35:50
I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately. The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).
(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)
That just goes to show why we should drink beer. We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.
All week, everyone's been telling me I should drink beer.
So you've not been around Christians, then, huh?
(kidding, kidding, kidding....don't flame me folks)
Wow, this thread rally got off topic real fast. ::lookaround::
: jmg3rd Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 16:59:45
: marc Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 15:58:50
: Mere Nick Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 08:46:37
: marc Tue Aug 28, 2007 - 18:35:50
I like the "discipline replacing discipleship" quote. It speaks to what I grew up with, unfortunately. The emphasis was on what you do and don't do, and how you avoid doing anything that even looks like "the world" (a phrase that included those in other chruches).
(I am now stopping myself from writing a ten-page post that reveals way too much about my family.)
That just goes to show why we should drink beer. We shouldn't run the risk of looking Islamic.
All week, everyone's been telling me I should drink beer.
So you've not been around Christians, then, huh?
(kidding, kidding, kidding....don't flame me folks)
He's been around the more manly Christians from the days of yore.
I don't know that such would make them manly. Samson took a teetotalin' Nazirite vow ya know.
I'm less concerned with being manly than with another problem, but there's a whole 'nother thread talking about that problem already.
Since this conversation's already off track: Marc, with the health problems I've heard you describe I can't imagine anyone telling you that you should be drinking beer. It's full of sugar. Not good for someone with diabetes.
: janine Sat Aug 25, 2007 - 23:03:54
"Religion can be the enemy of God. It's often what happens when God, like
Elvis, has left the building. A list of instructions where there was once
conviction; dogma where once people just did it; a congregation led by a man
where once they were led by the Holy Spirit. Discipline replacing
discipleship."
That is absolutely awesome!
I am going to hang that quote in my stateroom and my office!
In Christ,
KP
: CSloan Mon Aug 27, 2007 - 15:34:02
I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.
http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv
"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)
I don't care for Bono personally, I don't care for his politics, and I certainly don't shape my religious stances around what he says -- but a good quote is a good quote.
: James Rondon Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 23:07:57
: CSloan Mon Aug 27, 2007 - 15:34:02
I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.
http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv
"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)
And how U2 sings the song, "Sympathy for the devil." How can anyone have any sympathy for the devil? ???
: ConnieLard Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 20:29:27
Since this conversation's already off track: Marc, with the health problems I've heard you describe I can't imagine anyone telling you that you should be drinking beer. It's full of sugar. Not good for someone with diabetes.
Great. You could have told me that before I finished off my second six-pack today!!! ::threestooges::
: the J Man Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 14:37:09
: James Rondon Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 23:07:57
: CSloan Mon Aug 27, 2007 - 15:34:02
I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.
http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv
"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)
And how U2 sings the song, "Sympathy for the devil." How can anyone have any sympathy for the devil? ???
Did you get a chance to check out They Sold Their Souls For Rock N' Roll (Video Series) (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php?topic=19606.msg403411#msg403411)?
: the J Man Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 14:37:09
: James Rondon Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 23:07:57
: CSloan Mon Aug 27, 2007 - 15:34:02
I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.
http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv
"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)
And how U2 sings the song, "Sympathy for the devil." How can anyone have any sympathy for the devil? ???
haven't heard them sing it--but have you listened to the lyrics? The theme, if I get Mick & Keith right, is that if you want to see where the evil in this world is coming from, take a good look at yourself.
But I could be wrong....(it's not like the Stones have shied away from Satanic imagery).
: marc Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 18:24:09
: the J Man Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 14:37:09
: James Rondon Thu Aug 30, 2007 - 23:07:57
: CSloan Mon Aug 27, 2007 - 15:34:02
I thought this was an interesting video clip about Bono and U2.
http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv
"I stand with the sons of Cain." ~ Bono (cf. Jude 11)
And how U2 sings the song, "Sympathy for the devil." How can anyone have any sympathy for the devil? ???
haven't heard them sing it--but have you listened to the lyrics? The theme, if I get Mick & Keith right, is that if you want to see where the evil in this world is coming from, take a good look at yourself.
But I could be wrong....(it's not like the Stones have shied away from Satanic imagery).
If you would like to see it, watch the link. It isn't very long.
http://goodfight.org/goodfight.org/u2.wmv
Truthfully, is anyone really surprised that U2, the Rolling Stones, and other such bands are satanic?...
Have we become so enchanted by the world, that we have become blind to it?
I don't want to watch the link. I've seen such things since the seventies, and they're rarely accurate. I could give you a list of distortions, misquotes, mischaracterizations and outright falsehoods made in the name of Christ by people wanting to save our souls from rock 'n' roll.
Remember the idea that Anton Levay appeared on the cover of "Hotel California"? That KISS stood for "knights in Satan's service"? Ever heard the storyline of Springsteen's "The River" summarized as "he gets his girlfriend pregnant and doesn't care"? Led Zeppelin recorded "Here's to you my sweet Satan" backward on "Stairway to Heaven"? (After ELO was accused of Satanic back-masking on "Eldorado", they did some real back-masking ("The music is reversable, time is not. Turn back. Turn back") on their next album to show how silly the concept that this was being done unnoticed was).
Any reason I should believe this one's any more accurate?
: CSloan Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 18:21:46
Did you get a chance to check out They Sold Their Souls For Rock N' Roll (Video Series) (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/index.php?topic=19606.msg403411#msg403411)?
Oh yes. I have watched that long ago. I have used www.goodfight.otg as a refernce to the corrupted music that Satan uses to reach the masses. That site has some good info about what is really behind some of the music that would seem harmless and innocent.
: James Rondon Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 18:30:51
Truthfully, is anyone really surprised that U2, the Rolling Stones, and other such bands are satanic?...
Have we become so enchanted by the world, that we have become blind to it?
Unfortunately that is true James. Many do not realize that these bands are satanically inspired. Many of these bands that have satanic imagery are very subtle at it. This is why they need to be exposed.
: marc Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 18:41:19
I don't want to watch the link. I've seen such things since the seventies, and they're rarely accurate. I could give you a list of distortions, misquotes, mischaracterizations and outright falsehoods made in the name of Christ by people wanting to save our souls from rock 'n' roll.
Remember the idea that Anton Levay appeared on the cover of "Hotel California"? That KISS stood for "knights in Satan's service"? Ever heard the storyline of Springsteen's "The River" summarized as "he gets his girlfriend pregnant and doesn't care"? Led Zeppelin recorded "Here's to you my sweet Satan" backward on "Stairway to Heaven"? (After ELO was accused of Satanic back-masking on "Eldorado", they did some real back-masking ("The music is reversable, time is not. Turn back. Turn back") on their next album to show how silly the concept that this was being done unnoticed was).
Any reason I should believe this one's any more accurate?
Nobody's running records backwards to listen to Satanic message anymore. Now the message is loud and clear. But I really didn't expect you to be so closed minded about something like a 5 minute video clip. You judge for yourself if its a mischaracterization or not, but don't prejudge simply on personal prejudices.
: CSloan Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 21:54:15
: marc Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 18:41:19
I don't want to watch the link. I've seen such things since the seventies, and they're rarely accurate. I could give you a list of distortions, misquotes, mischaracterizations and outright falsehoods made in the name of Christ by people wanting to save our souls from rock 'n' roll.
Remember the idea that Anton Levay appeared on the cover of "Hotel California"? That KISS stood for "knights in Satan's service"? Ever heard the storyline of Springsteen's "The River" summarized as "he gets his girlfriend pregnant and doesn't care"? Led Zeppelin recorded "Here's to you my sweet Satan" backward on "Stairway to Heaven"? (After ELO was accused of Satanic back-masking on "Eldorado", they did some real back-masking ("The music is reversable, time is not. Turn back. Turn back") on their next album to show how silly the concept that this was being done unnoticed was).
Any reason I should believe this one's any more accurate?
Nobody's running records backwards to listen to Satanic message anymore. Now the message is loud and clear. But I really didn't expect you to be so closed minded about something like a 5 minute video clip. You judge for yourself if its a mischaracterization or not, but don't prejudge simply on personal prejudices.
It's the same crowd.
I see no need to listen to people who don't care how much falsehood they throw out in the hopes that there might be a shred of truth buried somewhere in it. I believe lying is a sin. these people have never apologized. They get caught up in misstatements, but they never back down.
The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes." So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.
: marc Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 21:57:00
The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes." So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.
So then, are you willing to set unclean music before your ears?
: marc Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 21:57:00
: CSloan Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 21:54:15
: marc Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 18:41:19
I don't want to watch the link. I've seen such things since the seventies, and they're rarely accurate. I could give you a list of distortions, misquotes, mischaracterizations and outright falsehoods made in the name of Christ by people wanting to save our souls from rock 'n' roll.
Remember the idea that Anton Levay appeared on the cover of "Hotel California"? That KISS stood for "knights in Satan's service"? Ever heard the storyline of Springsteen's "The River" summarized as "he gets his girlfriend pregnant and doesn't care"? Led Zeppelin recorded "Here's to you my sweet Satan" backward on "Stairway to Heaven"? (After ELO was accused of Satanic back-masking on "Eldorado", they did some real back-masking ("The music is reversable, time is not. Turn back. Turn back") on their next album to show how silly the concept that this was being done unnoticed was).
Any reason I should believe this one's any more accurate?
Nobody's running records backwards to listen to Satanic message anymore. Now the message is loud and clear. But I really didn't expect you to be so closed minded about something like a 5 minute video clip. You judge for yourself if its a mischaracterization or not, but don't prejudge simply on personal prejudices.
It's the same crowd.
I see no need to listen to people who don't care how much falsehood they throw out in the hopes that there might be a shred of truth buried somewhere in it. I believe lying is a sin. these people have never apologized. They get caught up in misstatements, but they never back down.
The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes." So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.
This seems to be something personal to you. Do you listen to much of this music they are exposing?
: James Rondon Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 22:03:12
: marc Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 21:57:00
The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes." So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.
So then, are you willing to set unclean music before your ears?
That says it all. Many don't want to hear the truth about it, which is why they hate sites like that. That is why they call those sites to be liars. They don't want the truth because they don't want to have to make the choice to get rid of those CD's and movies, video games, etc that they have.
They're not exposing a thing; they're catering to their own prejudices. This kind of thing gives Christianity a bad name. That's why it's personal to me.
Here are two quick reasons not to take this seriously (beyond the list of previous falsehoods I listed earlier):
1. They are focusing on Bono, who does more good with his money and fame than anyone else out there while writing intelligent lyrics, and citing the demon Rock 'n' Roll, or at least giving it the cover, while kids are filling their ears with filthy hip-hop that promotes crime and misogyny. Rock 'n' Roll is grown-up's music these days, not kids' music. The music industry caters to 12-year-olds and produces endless, unlistenable drivel, not rock and roll, which is practially dead. But these people still set up the painted devil and build a ministry around it.
2. This video is advertised right beside an "expose" of Harry Potter. There's a whole thread on that elsewhere.
Fight the real enemy. And I ain't talking about tearing up a picture of the Pope.
: the J Man Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 22:23:53
: James Rondon Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 22:03:12
: marc Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 21:57:00
The Bible says, "I will set no unclean thing before my eyes." So I refuse to watch this kind of stuff.
So then, are you willing to set unclean music before your ears?
That says it all. Many don't want to hear the truth about it, which is why they hate sites like that. That is why they call those sites to be liars. They don't want the truth because they don't want to have to make the choice to get rid of those CD's and movies, video games, etc that they have.
Or maybe some of us just don't like being lied to. Do the falsehoods I mentioned earlier bother you?
: marc Fri Aug 31, 2007 - 22:25:55
Or maybe some of us just don't like being lied to. Do the falsehoods I mentioned earlier bother you?
I have read through goodfight.org and have not seen false info about them. But concernign U2, all you would have to do is see the video for yourself. By seeing them sing "sympathy for the devil," and by listening to them sings, "I stand with the sons of Cain," speaks for itself. They show video clips of other musicians. By hearing them actually say that, you cannot call it false information. You hear it for yourself. Goodfight exposes lyrical content of musicians that are being used by Satan. It's what these musicians have in their lyrics that speaks for itself.
Concerning what you mentioned previosuly about the band "KISS." Ever notice that the "S' in KISS are zig zag shaped? Looks kinda like a lightning bolt? There is a satanic symbol called the "satanic lightning bolt." Also known as the satanic "S" of the satanic "Z." You see that symbol below the "P' in Potter for Harry Potter. Where did satanists get that symbol? It comes right from Luke10:18 where Jesus says, "Behold I saw Satan fall from Heaven like a lightning bolt."
See? This is what I mean. You're repeating nonsense.
I'm sorry, but this sort of stuff destroys the credibility of Christianity. It diverts us from the real message and stains our witness. We are too easily taken in, and people assume that if we jump at these fairy tales, seeing demons in corneres and interpreting symbols in mysterious ways, then maybe the other things that we say are true....
j-man, you need to be more aware of the enemy's schemes. He's more subtle than you give him credit for being.
I don't know about the rest of you, but where I live, kids are growing up in homes with drug-addicted parents who don't care about them at all. They are living in meth labs. Their values are determined by ultra-violent video games. They listen to music that would make you blush to read the lyrics (and no, it's no U2 or Kiss or any other rock group).
But the culture isn't the root cause. It's merely an outgrowth.
What they need is Christ. They also need people in their lives who care about them, who give them a safe place to be, who will listen to them when they talk. They don't need lectures about how the media is luring them into Satanism (the only so-called "Satanists" I've met are ones who are trying to draw attention to themselves by doing the most outlandish thing they can think of).
That's why I get a bit emotional about this subject. I think we're doing harm, not good.
I apologize for the tone I've taken here. I get frustrated about this. I need to remember that others think this is the way to go, even if I don't.
We are one, but we're not the same. We've got to carry each other.
I watched one of the videos and they made some valid points, however, some of it was like a monkey throwing his feces at the wall and hoping it will stick.
If I had a list of everything any of you did or said in your whole life, I could twist at least a few things that you've done wrong and paint you as a Satanist.
: marc Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 06:56:41
See? This is what I mean. You're repeating nonsense.
I'm sorry, but this sort of stuff destroys the credibility of Christianity. It diverts us from the real message and stains our witness. We are too easily taken in, and people assume that if we jump at these fairy tales, seeing demons in corneres and interpreting symbols in mysterious ways, then maybe the other things that we say are true....
j-man, you need to be more aware of the enemy's schemes. He's more subtle than you give him credit for being.
Marc, why are you attacking him when he is right? Marilyn Manson uses the same symbol to promote Satanism.
http://www.spookhouse.net/angelynx/manson/mansonlogo.jpg
: marc Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 06:56:41
See? This is what I mean. You're repeating nonsense.
Okay marc, loom at the lyrics from Kiss' song "God of Thunder." It refers to "thor" which is a name that symbolizes Satan.
I was born on Olympus
To my father a son
I was raised by the demons
Trained to reign as the one
God of thunder and rock and roll. . .
I gather darkness to please me
And I command you to kneel
Before the God of thunder and rock and roll
The spell you're under
Will slowly rob you of your virgin soul
KISS, God of Thunder
I'm sorry, but this sort of stuff destroys the credibility of Christianity.
You know, in the early church days, christians were boldly standing for the truth and taking a stand agains the pagan practices. They were heavily persicuted but they stood their ground. In spite of all that, multitudes were won to the Lord. If they didn't stand against the pagan practices, many would have kept on practicing their occultism. Eventaully paganism became unpopular which is why it became subtle, thos who practiced it, did it in secret.
When the apostle Paul in Acts12:6-10, Paul confronts barjesus about his sorcery. Paul didn't pat him on the back. Paul stood up against what barjesus was doing. Nowadays, Paul would have been called a fanatic, a fundie, he would have been called a legalist, he would have been accused of being judgemental, holier-than-thou, intolerant, etc, all because he stood against the works of Satan. Same principal today. Anyone who stands for the truth is maliciously accused of these things. Even many christians have succumbed to that lie.
Ephesians4;15 says to speak the truth in love. It doesn't say to shut your mouth and not speak up at all. Nowadays, you speak the truth about something, man will you eve get people mad at you! ::eek::
It diverts us from the real message and stains our witness. [/quiote]
I guess the apostle Paul must have been diverted from his witness too, eh??? ::shrug:: You know when he had the guts to confront Barjesus about practicing witchcraft. ???
We are too easily taken in, and people assume that if we jump at these fairy tales, seeing demons in corneres and interpreting symbols in mysterious ways, then maybe the other things that we say are true....
They don't see demons in corners, they see them where they are really at. The truth is, they are real, their activity against humanity is real. Ephesians6:12 tells us straight out who our battle is against. Jesus dealth with them, the apostles dealt with them. Was the apostle Paul seeing a demon behind every conrer when he casted out that spirit of divination(acts16;16-18)??? ::eek:: Maybe he was just jumping on fairy tales??? ::shrug:: Of he did get a mob of people angry at him. Because he did what many today would call him a fanatic and a fundie for.
j-man, you need to be more aware of the enemy's schemes. He's more subtle than you give him credit for being.
He's very subtle alrgiht. And he's got you and many others deceived to his ways. I know how his kingdom operates and that's why Satan hates me being on here. Because I expose him.
And, some thought the "SS" in KISS was reminiscient of the Nazi organization in WWII.
But, for what it's worth... http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/kiss.asp (http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/kiss.asp)
The site has an excerpt from Gene Simmons' autobiography where he addressed some of the apparently false rumors that were going around about the band... as well as how they came up with the name.
: CSloan Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 08:43:11
: marc Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 06:56:41
See? This is what I mean. You're repeating nonsense.
I'm sorry, but this sort of stuff destroys the credibility of Christianity. It diverts us from the real message and stains our witness. We are too easily taken in, and people assume that if we jump at these fairy tales, seeing demons in corneres and interpreting symbols in mysterious ways, then maybe the other things that we say are true....
j-man, you need to be more aware of the enemy's schemes. He's more subtle than you give him credit for being.
Marc, why are you attacking him when he is right? Marilyn Manson uses the same symbol to promote Satanism.
http://www.spookhouse.net/angelynx/manson/mansonlogo.jpg
Like I already said, when you speak the truth, your subject to personal attacks.
: DCR Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 08:51:39
Some thought the "SS" in KISS was reminiscient of the Nazi organization in WWII.
FWIW... http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/kiss.asp (http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/kiss.asp)
The site has an excerpt from Gene Simmons' autobiography where he addressed some of the apparently false rumors that were going around about the band.
Hitler was a satanist. That is why he symbolized the "SS' in a zig-zag shaped format. I doubt the KISS was into nazism, therefore would not at all be remniscient of the nazi organization. But that symbol is a satanic symbol. Think it's a coincidence that KISS would shape their S' like that?
: the J Man Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 08:55:25Think it's a coincidence that KISS would shape their S' like that?
Sure. And, apparently, if you turn the Coca-Cola logo on its side, it appears to be an image of someone snorting cocaine... http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item277 (http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item277)
IMO, the S's the KISS logo look more like the Nazi SS insignia than they do the supposedly Satanic symbol you refer to. As for Hitler deliberately using the Satanic symbol for the insignia, I'll need to look into that.
But, I really doubt it's either.
I've said this before, but I am more concerned about the lies propagated by "Christians" in the name of benjamins like many on TBN and the Word of Faith/Prosperity Gospel than the other stuff.
Below illustrates Marc's points about falsehoods:
Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Religious_beliefs
Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but as a boy he rejected Catholicism. Apparently, after Hitler left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments.[76]
In later life, Hitler often praised the Christian heritage, German culture, and a belief in Christ. But his private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of Christianity.[77] However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism,[77] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[78] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[79] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.
Hitler spoke of his Christianity as a motivation for his anti-Semitism. In a speech Hitler gave in Munich on April 12, 1922, and later published in "My New Order", he stated:
" My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who - God's truth! - was greatest, not as a sufferer, but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."[80][81]
: DCR Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 09:04:10
As for Hitler deliberately using the Satanic symbol for the insignia, I'll need to look into that.
But, I really doubt it's either.
Even the sawastika(also known as the sun wheel) was originally an occult symbol representing the 4 winds. It shouldn't surprise anyone that Hitler was a satanist. After all the cruel inhumane things he had done to others, it's obvious that he was a devout follower of Satan. Sure he called himself a christian, but a tree will be known by it's fruit. Certainly wasn't the fruit of the Spirit in him to cause all the warfare and destruction that he caused.
: DCR Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 09:04:10
: the J Man Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 08:55:25Think it's a coincidence that KISS would shape their S' like that?
Sure. And, apparently, if you turn the Coca-Cola logo on its side, it appears to be an image of someone snorting cocaine... http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item277 (http://www.planetperplex.com/en/item277)
IMO, the S's the KISS logo look more like the Nazi SS insignia than they do the supposedly Satanic symbol you refer to. As for Hitler deliberately using the Satanic symbol for the insignia, I'll need to look into that.
But, I really doubt it's either.
Is that coca cola thing supposed to be funny?
As for the SS, seems to me they very well could all be related don't you think?
: Gary Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 09:09:36
Below illustrates Marc's points about falsehoods:
Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Religious_beliefs
Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but as a boy he rejected Catholicism. Apparently, after Hitler left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments.[76]
In later life, Hitler often praised the Christian heritage, German culture, and a belief in Christ. But his private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of Christianity.[77] However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism,[77] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[78] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[79] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.
Hitler spoke of his Christianity as a motivation for his anti-Semitism. In a speech Hitler gave in Munich on April 12, 1922, and later published in "My New Order", he stated:
" My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who - God's truth! - was greatest, not as a sufferer, but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."[80][81]
I'm not a KISS fan, but I did read Thor comic books back when I was young, and I never knew Jack Kriby & co were into Satanism....
anyway, If you wanna kiss the sky you better learn how to kneel.
Thor is a false god, Marc.
(Cf. 1 Cor. 10:19-20.)
Thor isn't real. Very few people still worship him. I suppose to the few neo-pagans he might be, but to most of us he is a fictional character.
Thursday is named after him, however.
You know, I'm not a Kiss fan. I've never bought one of their records, played one of their songs on a juke box, etc. I always thought they were too over-the-top and hedonistic. But I also know that the "Knights in Satan's Service" garbage has caused a lot of people to take Christianity less seriously than they should. When we choose fighting Harry Potter (the last book of which has blatant Christian overtones, according to reviews) over meeting people where they are, we are the ones who have lost track of what we're supposed to be doing here.
My old comic books won't send me to Hell. If I had any Kiss records, they wouldn't either. My Ray Bradbury or M.R. James books won't. My Nathaniel Hawthorne won't. My Shakespeare won't.
As I said earlier, the serpent is much more subtle than we give him credit for. He doesn't run around painted red with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork.
Around here, he manufactures meth. I would suppose his guise varies from place to place.
Also around here, the people who have been harmed most by Satan need people to welcome them and teach them gently.
And the people we need to reach are going to be a lot less receptive, a lot less willing to let us in, if we come after them condemning their music, their books, etc., etc. instead of telling them about the gentle yoke of Christ.
Honestly, Marc, I believe you are being very naive... Bono prancing around on stage wearing devil horns, false gods being repackaged as children's heros, and books being promoted to children about witchcraft cause nothing more than a waving of your hand? Consider the word of the Lord, regarding this subject, and these things:
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." ~ Matt. 12:30
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." ~ Eph. 6:12
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." ~ 1 John 2:15
: James Rondon Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 19:52:34
Honestly, Marc, I believe you are being very naive... Bono prancing around on stage wearing devil horns, false gods being repackaged as children's heros, and books being promoted to children about witchcraft cause nothing more than a waving of your hand? Consider the word of the Lord, regarding this subject, and these things:
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." ~ Matt. 12:30
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." ~ Eph. 6:12
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him." ~ 1 John 2:15
Amen.
We need to decide whos side we are truly on.
: the J Man Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 10:33:45
: Gary Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 09:09:36
Below illustrates Marc's points about falsehoods:
Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Religious_beliefs
Hitler was raised by Roman Catholic parents, but as a boy he rejected Catholicism. Apparently, after Hitler left home, he never attended Mass or received the sacraments.[76]
In later life, Hitler often praised the Christian heritage, German culture, and a belief in Christ. But his private statements, as reported by his intimates, are more mixed, showing Hitler as a religious man but critical of Christianity.[77] However, in contrast to other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or neo-paganism,[77] and ridiculed such beliefs in Mein Kampf.[78] Rather, Hitler advocated a "Positive Christianity",[79] a belief system purged from what he objected to in traditional Christianity, and which reinvented Jesus as a fighter against the Jews.
Hitler spoke of his Christianity as a motivation for his anti-Semitism. In a speech Hitler gave in Munich on April 12, 1922, and later published in "My New Order", he stated:
" My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who - God's truth! - was greatest, not as a sufferer, but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison.
Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery.
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited."[80][81]
Hitler was a change agent.
Sorry. Wrong thread.... ::blushing::
: marc Sat Sep 01, 2007 - 19:26:36
Thor isn't real. Very few people still worship him. I suppose to the few neo-pagans he might be, but to most of us he is a fictional character.
Thursday is named after him, however.
Goes to show how much occult influence is in our society is the days of the week, the planets, the names of some automobiles, have occult names.
You know, I'm not a Kiss fan. I've never bought one of their records, played one of their songs on a juke box, etc. I always thought they were too over-the-top and hedonistic. But I also know that the "Knights in Satan's Service" garbage has caused a lot of people to take Christianity less seriously than they should.
Gotta wonder why they call themselves KISS? Where did they come up with a name like that?
As I said earlier, the serpent is much more subtle than we give him credit for. He doesn't run around painted red with horns, a tail, and a pitchfork.
Around here, he manufactures meth. I would suppose his guise varies from place to place.
Also around here, the people who have been harmed most by Satan need people to welcome them and teach them gently.
Concerning how subtle Satan is, his desire is to destroy humanity. All of his tactics need to be exposed for what it really is. Drugs, alcohol, gambling, pornography, wars, violence, destroyed marriages and broken homes, the new age influence in schools, ungodly music, TV shows and movies that have ungodly influence, many of the video games out there today, these are all tactics he is using to devour people. The world is in a mess because people are not walking upright with God and following after the commands of God. They are not submitted to God. If everyone was walking upright with God, the world wouldn't be in shambles. This is why Satan promotes this kind of music, TV shows, movies, Video games, etc. To lure people away from Christ and to the dark side. The church needs to be aware of what is going on. Sadly, many are spiritually asleep and don't know what is going on.
The main goal of the united satanic front is to get as many as possible into witchcraft. They aim specifically at children because they are most vulnerable and easily influenced. How do they plan to get people inducted into the occult? By making it look like harmless and innocent fun, by making it look prestigious, by making it look attractive. You may not ntoive this, but I am totally aware of the dramatic increase in occultism and witchcraft over the last 10 years. There is so many that are now practicing witchcraft these days. It is popular amongst the youth these days to be a witch. That is not something we should sit back and take lightly. It's too bad that most christians don't have a clue as to how much occult activity really goes on. We are the only ones who can get people out of the ocuclt, but too many of us, are oblivious to that facts.
And the people we need to reach are going to be a lot less receptive, a lot less willing to let us in, if we come after them condemning their music, their books, etc., etc. instead of telling them about the gentle yoke of Christ.
This isn't about condmening, this is about people be aware of what is going on.
Ooooh God, help me... I can't stand it.
How do You?!?
Have y'all even ever read the lyrics to "Sympathy For The Devil"? (http://www.rolling-stones-lyrics.com/lyrics/sympathy.html)
: janine Sun Sep 02, 2007 - 23:18:42
Have y'all even ever read the lyrics to "Sympathy For The Devil"? (http://www.rolling-stones-lyrics.com/lyrics/sympathy.html)
The lyrics of the song speak for itself as to who it is talking about. Sadly, many chrsitians don't even realize that Satan, the devil is the cause of the tragedies and disasters going on in the world. If you expose that, they assume your giving Satan glory. They mock you by acccusing you of looking for demons under every bush. So much destruction is caused by the adversary, yet many chrsitians laugh and scoff of that when someone exposes it. But the bible doesn't take Satan lightly, so why do so many christians? Jesus dealt with demons very seriously, so why do so many chrsitians laugh and scoff at anyone exposing the wickedness of the adversary? ???
That's what Satan loves, when the church is oblivious to his ways and doesn't take him seriously. That is the reason why he remains pretty much unhindered.