This is a thread intended to share the blasphemy and sacrilege commonly performed by the music industry. The intention is to awaken believers to the filth we overlook in the music we listen to, and even may allow our children to listen.
I'll start this off with a quote I made in another thread:
"The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want: He makes me down to lie: Through pastures green He leadeth me the silent waters by. With bright knives He releaseth my soul. He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places. He converteth me to lamb cutlets, For lo, He hath great power, and great hunger."
~Perversion of the 23rd Psalm by Pink Floyd in - Sheep
I guess I don't quite understand why this information is important. Secular music artists make secular music. Can you expect non-Christians to behave like Christ?
: Gary Sat Sep 08, 2007 - 22:11:18
I guess I don't quite understand why this information is important. Secular music artists make secular music. Can you expect non-Christians to behave like Christ?
But when so-called Christians listen to this kind of music without knowing the content, thats wherein lies the danger.
So-called Christians? Without knowing the content (listening while wearing ear-plugs, maybe)?
: marc Sat Sep 08, 2007 - 22:23:23
So-called Christians? Without knowing the content (listening while wearing ear-plugs, maybe)?
I used to listen to this music all the time without knowing that the message was outright blasphemy against God and Christ. I would call a Christian "so-called" if they listened to this music knowing what the message the music was.
"I see faith in your eyes: Never your hear the discouraging lies: I hear faith in your cries: Broken is the promise, betrayal: The healing hand held back by the deepened nail: Follow the god that failed"
~Metallica mocking the crucifixion in - The God That Failed
The Rolling Stones, "Sympathy for the Devil":
"Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith
And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank
Held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached Bombay
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
'cause I'm in need of some restraint
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Oh yeah!
Tell me baby, what's my name
Tell me honey, can Ya guess my name
Tell me baby, what's my name
I tell you one time, you're to blame
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah
What's me name
Tell me, baby, what's my name
Tell me, sweetie, what's my name
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah..."
"I was dreamin' when I wrote this: Forgive me if it goes astray: But when I woke up this mornin': Could have sworn it was judgment day: The sky was all purple: There were people runnin' everywhere: Tryin' to run from the destruction: You know I didn't even care: They say two thousand zero, zero, party over,: Oops, out of time! So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999!"
~Prince glorifying unrepentance in - 1999
From Jefferson Airplane's, "The Son of Jesus":
"...Jesus had a son by Mary Magdalene
and he rode the land like the man who went before
young Jesus raised him loud,
mother Mary raised him proud
and he tracked the men who laid his father down...
so you think young Jesus Christ never a lady
and you think young Mary never saw him smile wide & free
you won't read it in the bible & if you
look you're liable ta come across the truth
about the man from Galilee..
"Unholy: I was created by man, yeah I'm the Lord of the flies, you know I'm: From the left hand of power comes the father of lies - Unholy!"
~Kiss at least is honest in - Unholy
Hi All,
This Topic reminds me of the Puritan slam down after The English Civil War of the people. No singing and dancing. No celebrating Christmas and the like. A deary Church with endless words and no joy going into the people!
Yes freedom brings blasphemy and a lot worse if the Word of God is not exercised and Christian Ethics not applied from the Doctrine of Christ! But but but who are we to demand conformity to that ethic I wonder from the people lost in this world and the next. Preach the Word and Heal the sick!
The result was King Charles II welcomed back onto the Throne of England. Your ancestors if from England thrown in some cases out of the Parish Churches Ministers included physically and a lot of your people asked to emigrate to the Colonies quite strongly or starve!
Singing and dancing with Joy to the LORD returned to the Church Whole Orchestra's from the Pub. next door led the singing until the Rector could get an organ built so he could control the music again. Christmas and the other Great Festivals enjoyed by the people singing and dancing at the Puritan downfall.
Now the swing is the other way and I defy any Church group to stop it! PC. from America, The Bible altered to suit, The History rewritten to suit, and discrimination against The Great Liar is now unlawful don't you know. The rise of the Homosexual Lie that it is not a sin anymore fed by some Churchmen who have joined the Great Abomination and what do we stand and do? Attack music singing and dancing yet again. The Christian now stands at the wrong side of the Anti-Discrimination Law!
And we are going to raise a failed concept of The English Civil War and demand to curb music singing and dancing in our countries and in our Churches?
Fifty years to late here friend in England even to try, and here it was founded on disbelief.
But apart from that the Joy of The LORD is in my Soul today the Sun is shining, The Son is waiting, and this one brings tears to the ears!
Colin.
I think it all comes down to discernment. Sometimes we want to substitute asceticism for discernment, but there are warnings about that in Colossians and elsewhere.
"Angel from below, change my dreams: I want for glory's hour, for wealth's esteem: I wish to sell my soul, to be reborn: I wish for earthly riches, don't want no crown of thorns: I was born a fool, don't want to stay that way: Devil take my soul, with diamonds you repay: I don't care for heaven, so don't you look for me to cry: And I will burn in hell, from the day I die"
~Metallica explains just how they got so rich and famous in - The Prince
The following song lyrics are from a song by Phillips, Craig, and Dean and illustrates looking at Jesus as a lover:
And I'll stand in awe of You, Jesus
Yes, I'll stand in awe of You
And I'll let my words be few
Jesus, I am so in love with You
"Jesus, I'm waiting here boss: I know you're looking out for us: But maybe your hands aren't free: Your Father, He made the world in seven: He's in charge of Heaven: Will you put in a word for me: WAKE UP WAKE UP DEAD MAN"
~U2 mocking the resurrection in - Wake Up Dead Man
: Gary Sat Sep 08, 2007 - 22:11:18
I guess I don't quite understand why this information is important. Secular music artists make secular music. Can you expect non-Christians to behave like Christ?
Cause music has a message behind it and it effects people. Those in the music industry are influencing others. Especially the youth as they often like to imitate their favorite musicians. We need to be careful of what we watch and what we listen to because it effects us. Even many in the church ar ebeing desensitzed through ungodly music, television, video games, books, this is indoctrinating society. Satan wants to get people to accept him. He wants people to think of his ways as being normal. And he also wants the church to be lukewarm so that they won't have a real impact on society. If they are not walking upright with God, they will never be what God has called them to be. they will never effect the world the way they are supposed to.
Perverted music is a tool that has been used by Satan because everyone hears music. Even if you shoose not to listen to music, you will still hear it in shopping centres, in the work place, etc.
"Hey Satan! Paid my dues: Playin' in a rockin' band: Hey Mama! Look at me: I'm on my way to the promise land: I'm on the highway to hell"
~ACDC leaves nothing to the imagination in - Highway to Hell
: Gary Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 11:20:46
The following song lyrics are from a song by Phillips, Craig, and Dean and illustrates looking at Jesus as a lover:
And I'll stand in awe of You, Jesus
Yes, I'll stand in awe of You
And I'll let my words be few
Jesus, I am so in love with You
::shrug::
Scripture tells us that we [the church] are Jesus' bride. Does it bother you to be considered a bride?
"I am the lord of the wastelands: A modern day man of steel: I gather darkness to please me: And I command thee to kneel: Before the: God of thunder and rock and roll: The spell you're under: Will slowly rob you of your virgin soul"
~Kiss reveals what just what god they serve in - God of Thunder
Csloan, I am seriously worried about the music you listen to!
I cerainly know quotes from my cd collection wouldn't sound anything at all like that. I'd look into some new cds if I were you. ::shrug::
: marc Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 18:59:53
Csloan, I am seriously worried about the music you listen to!
I cerainly know quotes from my cd collection wouldn't sound anything at all like that. I'd look into some new cds if I were you. ::shrug::
This isn't my music collection, its the worlds.
"If you play me close, you're on a red beam: Oh you got a gun so you wanna pop back? AK47 now ni**a, stop that!: C mid shoes, now I'm on the move: You're family's crying, now you on the news: They can't find you, and now they miss you: Must I remind you I'm only here to twist you: Pistol whip you, dip you then flip you"
~Snoop dogg glorifying violence and murder to impressionable youth in - Drop It Like It's Hot
: CSloan Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 20:08:26
: marc Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 18:59:53
Csloan, I am seriously worried about the music you listen to!
I cerainly know quotes from my cd collection wouldn't sound anything at all like that. I'd look into some new cds if I were you. ::shrug::
This isn't my music collection, its the worlds.
but you're choosing to expose yourself to it.
: marc Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 20:36:57
: CSloan Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 20:08:26
: marc Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 18:59:53
Csloan, I am seriously worried about the music you listen to!
I cerainly know quotes from my cd collection wouldn't sound anything at all like that. I'd look into some new cds if I were you. ::shrug::
This isn't my music collection, its the worlds.
but you're choosing to expose yourself to it.
Mat 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
I'm not sure how harmless the stuff you're posting is.
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." ~ Ephesians 5:11
I have some Metallica cd's from when I was a teenager somewhere. Now I will blame them for every bad thing I did.
: James Rondon Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 21:48:49
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." ~ Ephesians 5:11
Amen.
"Yeah, though I walk: In the valley of shadow: Yeah, I will fear no evil: I have cursed thy rod and staff: They no longer comfort me: Love rescue me"
~U2 perverting the 23rd Psalm in - Love Rescue Me
If those of us who name the name of Christ only had conviction like those who were in Ephesus:
"... And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed." ~ Acts 19:17-20
As long as they don't substitute their own think-sos for sorcery.
If you haven't yet, I'd appreciate it if you read the thread I started on the Theology board.
Seems like this thread touches a nerve.
No, but it does tell me some folks witch-hunt.
Some folks have no imagination.
Some folks never heard of hyperbole, poetic license.
Some folks look at "Sympathy for the Devil" and see a glorification of Satan. I see a catalog of the ways it seems Satan has tried to warp and destroy Man -- and ultimately, yet again, failed, every time.
Hi Janine,
I heard a terrible one about blood and sacrifice years ago when we used to follow worship me with songs and Psalms it went something like this
"What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus."
"Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus."
Now who needs to know the witness of the music of the world or bother to much with it when we have something like this which helped to bring countless children to Him when someone like Uncle Sam Nellist used to sing it in the North of England! We should be talking of The love of Christ. Let the devil talk to those Christians who need to be involved in Demonic Worship.
You can get the other two pages of that child like witness from,
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/n/b/nbtblood.htm
Robert Lowry must have been a good Saint don't you think. Wonder how he is getting on with the LORD now. Just the same I expect!!! ....
"Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;"
When you come to the LORD as a child!
Yours in His Everlovingtenderkindness,
Colin.
PS. Just a real softy for the LORD when I remember!
I use the Cyberhymnal often. It's a good place to link to when you're on a discussion forum and want a link where people can quickly pop over to listen to a tune you have in mind.
Don't get me wrong, there is some real garbage available out there in the music world. It's not that I support every rock band idiot who thinks he's a Satantist.
Y'all just try to keep the tone of your voice "Watchman on the Wall" rather than "Chicken Little".
But when
Alice in Chains' "Man in a Box"
Too graphic to write.
A song about a corpse, lying in his coffin and calling out to Christ, in a mocking and taunting voice, to save him.
Truly, the worst song written in the past 20 years that is still played regularly on the radio.
blessings
No way that could be a good song to use to meditate on the thought that we are all dead in our sins without Christ's intervention -- and that we can't demand anything of Him on our own terms?
: janine Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 04:28:34
No way that could be a good song to use to meditate on the thought that we are all dead in our sins without Christ's intervention -- and that we can't demand anything of Him on our own terms?
Only if you like to put forth that which is bitter for sweet (Isa 5:20).
"I'm the man in the box: Buried in my sh**: Won't you come and save me, save me... Feed my eyes, can you sew them shut? Jesus Christ, deny your maker: He who tries, will be wasted: Feed my eyes now you've sewn them shut"
~Alice In Chains suggesting the futility of faith in - Man in the Box
: James Rondon Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 21:59:41
If those of us who name the name of Christ only had conviction like those who were in Ephesus:
"... And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed." ~ Acts 19:17-20
Actually many do have a conviction. That's why they argue this topic so much(as I have seen to go on in past threads about music). They don't want to give that up, that's why they don't want the truth about it. If they know the truth, they now have to make a choice.
: janine Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 00:41:38
No, but it does tell me some folks witch-hunt.
Some folks have no imagination.
About having an imagination, God never says it is wrong to have an imagination, but it must be a sanctified imagination if it is pleasing to God. 2nd Corinthians10:5 says to cast down imaginations that exalt itself above the knowledge of God. It is ungodly imaginations as you see in much of the music industry today. Romans12:9 says to abhor what is evil abnd cleave to what is good. God wants us to get rid of evil things. That's why Ephesians5:11 says to have no fellwoship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Hebrews10:22 says "Let us draw near with a pure heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience." God wants us to have a pure heart and for us to be cleansed from an evil conscience. Listening to music with sexual perversion, music that glorifies drug and alcohol abuse, music that glorifies Satan and demons, is wicked in the sight of the Lord ad we are to not associate ourselves with it. Jesus says if you love Me, keep My commandments(John14:14). If we truly love God, then we wouldn't want to listen to music that goes contrary to His righteousness and truth. 1st Peter1:16 says to be holy as God is holy. Much of the music out there is the total opposite of holy.
Oh, there's nobody here that is on a witch hunt. The truth is though, there are quite a few people that are into witchcraft and the occult. Many in the music industry serve Satan. Of course, most people that are into the occult don't just tell people that. That is why we need to discern. Hebrews5:14 mentions of discerning good from evil. That includes what music we listen to or what we watch on TV.
Some folks look at "Sympathy for the Devil" and see a glorification of Satan. I see a catalog of the ways it seems Satan has tried to warp and destroy Man -- and ultimately, yet again, failed, every time.
The song's title being "Sympathy for the Devil" speaks for itself. How can anyone have any sympathy for him? He's the enemy of our souls. By giving him sympathy, your glorifying him.
Umm...
I think this thread has crossed the line. It is one thing to point out the evil contained within lyrics that we may not pick up on, but to almost revel in the filth by posting all the lurid words seems a bit over the top. I have worked in the field of social work for years and many people I've worked with like to 'out do' each other by sharing war stories about the outrageous behavior of clients they worked with in the past - it is not helpful, and I think it is wrong.
For example, I purposely chose not to post the lyrics from "Man in the Box" because I thought it was unnecessary and inappropriate - apparently csloan does not share my opinion.
I think somewhere alone the way, this thread has crossed the line from cautionary, to war story. I am probably sounding judgmental and I am not trying to do so - the thread started with good intention.
blessings
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 03:50:04
Truly, the worst song written in the past 20 years that is still played regularly on the radio.
If a song like that can be played on the radio, that shows how desensitized our society is. There are young children listening to the radio, yet they can play something with such lurid words that would inappropriate to lyrics in a public forum?
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 12:36:14
Umm...
I think this thread has crossed the line. It is one thing to point out the evil contained within lyrics that we may not pick up on, but to almost revel in the filth by posting all the lurid words seems a bit over the top. I have worked in the field of social work for years and many people I've worked with like to 'out do' each other by sharing war stories about the outrageous behavior of clients they worked with in the past - it is not helpful, and I think it is wrong.
For example, I purposely chose not to post the lyrics from "Man in the Box" because I thought it was unnecessary and inappropriate - apparently csloan does not share my opinion.
I think somewhere alone the way, this thread has crossed the line from cautionary, to war story. I am probably sounding judgmental and I am not trying to do so - the thread started with good intention.
blessings
My intentions were what started the thread. I have posted nothing vulgar or any profanity, I am doing just as I stated, exposing the blasphemy of the music the world listens to today.
If you feel this is disturbing to read, forgive me. But what I find more disturbing is Christians would listen to and actually defend this kind of filth. So what really crosses the line: exposing it, or embracing it?
: CSloan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 12:47:13
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 12:36:14
Umm...
I think this thread has crossed the line. It is one thing to point out the evil contained within lyrics that we may not pick up on, but to almost revel in the filth by posting all the lurid words seems a bit over the top. I have worked in the field of social work for years and many people I've worked with like to 'out do' each other by sharing war stories about the outrageous behavior of clients they worked with in the past - it is not helpful, and I think it is wrong.
For example, I purposely chose not to post the lyrics from "Man in the Box" because I thought it was unnecessary and inappropriate - apparently csloan does not share my opinion.
I think somewhere alone the way, this thread has crossed the line from cautionary, to war story. I am probably sounding judgmental and I am not trying to do so - the thread started with good intention.
blessings
My intentions were what started the thread. I have posted nothing vulgar or any profanity, I am doing just as I stated, exposing the blasphemy of the music the world listens to today.
If you feel this is disturbing to read, forgive me. But what I find more disturbing is Christians would listen to and actually defend this kind of filth. So what really crosses the line: exposing it, or embracing it?
I understand your intentions and I really do agree with your point about the danger of Christians defending evil within lyrics, either intentionally or unintentionally; however, I think one can go too far when making a point and end up doing damage, as well. I do not believe the ends justify the means.
In this case, there are many Christians who make a point to avoid music that contains evil lyrics - could the detail posted on this thread, expose people unnecessarily?
blessings
: the J Man Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 12:44:18
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 03:50:04
Truly, the worst song written in the past 20 years that is still played regularly on the radio.
If a song like that can be played on the radio, that shows how desensitized our society is. There are young children listening to the radio, yet they can play something with such lurid words that would inappropriate to lyrics in a public forum?
I agree - it is really horrible.
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 12:59:52
: CSloan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 12:47:13
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 12:36:14
Umm...
I think this thread has crossed the line. It is one thing to point out the evil contained within lyrics that we may not pick up on, but to almost revel in the filth by posting all the lurid words seems a bit over the top. I have worked in the field of social work for years and many people I've worked with like to 'out do' each other by sharing war stories about the outrageous behavior of clients they worked with in the past - it is not helpful, and I think it is wrong.
For example, I purposely chose not to post the lyrics from "Man in the Box" because I thought it was unnecessary and inappropriate - apparently csloan does not share my opinion.
I think somewhere alone the way, this thread has crossed the line from cautionary, to war story. I am probably sounding judgmental and I am not trying to do so - the thread started with good intention.
blessings
My intentions were what started the thread. I have posted nothing vulgar or any profanity, I am doing just as I stated, exposing the blasphemy of the music the world listens to today.
If you feel this is disturbing to read, forgive me. But what I find more disturbing is Christians would listen to and actually defend this kind of filth. So what really crosses the line: exposing it, or embracing it?
I understand your intentions and I really do agree with your point about the danger of Christians defending evil within lyrics, either intentionally or unintentionally; however, I think one can go too far when making a point and end up doing damage, as well. I do not believe the ends justify the means.
In this case, there are many Christians who make a point to avoid music that contains evil lyrics - could the detail posted on this thread, expose people unnecessarily?
blessings
This was already mentioned, but the bible exhorts us to expose them.
Eph 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
This was already mentioned, but the bible exhorts us to expose them.
Eph 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Well, everyone better stand back! it's time to throw caution to the wind - apparently when lies need to be exposed, casualties do not matter.
The practice of recklessly disregarding people under the guise of rooting out evil or possessing truth in it's purist form is an ugly side of Christianity.
By all means, joust on......I will simply excuse myself from the discussion.
blessings
Farewell, and thank you for your contributions to the discussion.
Isn't this thread a bit like posting pornography so people will know what magazines not to buy? I wonder why these aren't the passages being quoted here...
"I will set before my eyes no vile thing. The deeds of faithless men I hate; they will not cling to me." Ps. 101:3
"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to mention what the disobedient do in secret." Eph. 5:11-12
"Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me--put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you." Phil. 4:8-9
::headscratch::
I get making people aware of the fact that many lyrics are ungodly. I do get concerned with a people start spending their time trying to dig up said lyrics. All that mess is getting deeper into your head, no matter why you're reading it. I prefer not to let it in in the first place. Why give Satan and extra foothold?
Its a shame that when something like this is posted, the message and messenger is attacked. Reminds me of the prophets of old: they would preach to God's people telling them to repent; then they would go about to slay them.
1Ki 19:10, 14
And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
: jmg3rd Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 14:03:10
Isn't this thread a bit like posting pornography so people will know what magazines not to buy? I wonder why these aren't the passages being quoted here...
The difference is, people already know that pornography is bad. Even those who play around with it, know deep in their hearts, porn is immoral and sinful. Much of the music out there, is subtle. If not exposed to you, you wouldn't know what your really listening to. For example, I would have never known that U2 has lyrics that glorify Satan, afterall, they use biblical imagery. I would have never known that there is sexual perversion amongst groups like the Backstreet Boys or the Spice Girls.
You still don't really know that about U2, without context. As to your last comment, I'm assuming you're kidding.
Both of the U2 songs that were cited on this thread are great songs, imo. Neither 'glorify Satan' or any such nonsense as that. Unfortunately, when a person has an agenda and believes himself to always be right, context takes a backseat.
'Wake Up Dead Man' is a moving song in which the world-weary speaker pleads for Jesus to do something to straighten out the world, which the speaker sees as corrupt and evil. The speaker is beginning to lose hope and faith and cries out to God. A later U2 song, 'Peace on Earth' is something of a companion piece to 'Wake Up Dead Man.'
'Love Rescue Me' is quite similar in tone.
Neither of these songs mock anything. They are songs about the human condition. It is unfortunate that witch hunts, such as the one promoted on this thread, seem to know no bounds. It is also unfortunate that our schools, colleges, and universities have failed to adequately educate people on the usages of hyperbole and metaphor in art. Further, it is sad that self-important posters with too much time on their hands see fit to attack anything and everything with which they disagree.
: don has a plan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 15:55:56
Both of the U2 songs that were cited on this thread are great songs, imo. Neither 'glorify Satan' or any such nonsense as that. Unfortunately, when a person has an agenda and believes himself to always be right, context takes a backseat.
'Wake Up Dead Man' is a moving song in which the world-weary speaker pleads for Jesus to do something to straighten out the world, which the speaker sees as corrupt and evil. The speaker is beginning to lose hope and faith and cries out to God. A later U2 song, 'Peace on Earth' is something of a companion piece to 'Wake Up Dead Man.'
'Love Rescue Me' is quite similar in tone.
Neither of these songs mock anything. They are songs about the human condition. It is unfortunate that witch hunts, such as the one promoted on this thread, seem to know no bounds. It is also unfortunate that our schools, colleges, and universities have failed to adequately educate people on the usages of hyperbole and metaphor in art. Further, it is sad that self-important posters with too much time on their hands see fit to attack anything and everything with which they disagree.
I am appalled you would defend such trash.
"Wake Up Dead Man" calls Jesus a dead man and "Love Rescue Me" curses the Lord. That is blasphemy. If you don't see that, there isn't much anyone can say to cure your blindness.
: don has a plan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 15:55:56
Both of the U2 songs that were cited on this thread are great songs, imo. Neither 'glorify Satan' or any such nonsense as that. Unfortunately, when a person has an agenda and believes himself to always be right, context takes a backseat.
'Wake Up Dead Man' is a moving song in which the world-weary speaker pleads for Jesus to do something to straighten out the world, which the speaker sees as corrupt and evil. The speaker is beginning to lose hope and faith and cries out to God. A later U2 song, 'Peace on Earth' is something of a companion piece to 'Wake Up Dead Man.'
'Love Rescue Me' is quite similar in tone.
Neither of these songs mock anything. They are songs about the human condition. It is unfortunate that witch hunts, such as the one promoted on this thread, seem to know no bounds. It is also unfortunate that our schools, colleges, and universities have failed to adequately educate people on the usages of hyperbole and metaphor in art. Further, it is sad that self-important posters with too much time on their hands see fit to attack anything and everything with which they disagree.
A song's own lyrics speak for itself. ::smile::
: the J Man Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 18:38:02
A song's own lyrics speak for itself. ::smile::
Indeed.
: don has a plan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 15:55:56
It is unfortunate that witch hunts, such as the one promoted on this thread, seem to know no bounds.
We can pull her out of the air, take her broom away, and send her to a TV makeover... But she's still a witch.
: James Rondon Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 20:56:29
: don has a plan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 15:55:56
It is unfortunate that witch hunts, such as the one promoted on this thread, seem to know no bounds.
We can pull her out of the air, take her broom away, and send her to a TV makeover... But she's still a witch.
yikes....
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 21:00:55
: James Rondon Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 20:56:29
: don has a plan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 15:55:56
It is unfortunate that witch hunts, such as the one promoted on this thread, seem to know no bounds.
We can pull her out of the air, take her broom away, and send her to a TV makeover... But she's still a witch.
yikes....
Another Hillary thread? I thought they were supposed to be in Politics.
: Gary Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 21:04:17
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 21:00:55
: James Rondon Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 20:56:29
: don has a plan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 15:55:56
It is unfortunate that witch hunts, such as the one promoted on this thread, seem to know no bounds.
We can pull her out of the air, take her broom away, and send her to a TV makeover... But she's still a witch.
yikes....
Another Hillary thread? I thought they were supposed to be in Politics.
Hillary for President!
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 21:05:41
: Gary Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 21:04:17
: ravenlorre Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 21:00:55
: James Rondon Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 20:56:29
: don has a plan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 15:55:56
It is unfortunate that witch hunts, such as the one promoted on this thread, seem to know no bounds.
We can pull her out of the air, take her broom away, and send her to a TV makeover... But she's still a witch.
yikes....
Another Hillary thread? I thought they were supposed to be in Politics.
Hillary for President!
You have proven James's point
: CSloan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 14:38:03
Its a shame that when something like this is posted, the message and messenger is attacked. Reminds me of the prophets of old: they would preach to God's people telling them to repent; then they would go about to slay them.
1Ki 19:10, 14
And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.
Attack? That's laughable, CSloan. You've not experienced anything like an attack in this thread.
Jesus was a dead man. He knows death intimately. Who better could a beaten broken person, who is dead in this dead world, and who sees the whole world as messed up and dead, call out to?
I know full well there are evil people who write evil songs -- not because I know and can condemn ever so many evil people and evil songs, but because I know there is evil in the world and sometimes people fall into it. There are evil bus drivers and evil eaters of Twinkies as well as evil writers and singers of songs.
All people trapped in evil ways will emit evil in what they do. Yes, yes, yes, <Janine pats several people on this thread consolingly on their sweaty little foreheads...>, I understand and agree with that. Choke back your high blood pressure a little, people, that purple vein pulsing on your forehead clashes with your tie.
The point I am trying to make is this --
Not every time you see or hear a piece of art that calls up bad imagery for you, is that piece of art "evil".
I think sometimes y'all just ain't picking up on some elements of interpretation and style -- things like
hyperbole
metaphor
irony
sarcasm
satire
emphasis
use of aural (or visual) textures
evocative harkings-back to cultural/historical touchpoints...
And on and on.
I say again -- I know, absolutely, that there is evil in the world, so it is not a far stretch to say an artist might be evil, and living out his evil ways in his art, in some kind of effort to honor his evil Lord, and encourage others to adhere to the evil. I understand this.
What I am saying is, not every time something trips your personal "Blas-Foe-Meter" amounts to blasphemy.
: CSloan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 16:04:57
: don has a plan Mon Sep 10, 2007 - 15:55:56
Both of the U2 songs that were cited on this thread are great songs, imo. Neither 'glorify Satan' or any such nonsense as that. Unfortunately, when a person has an agenda and believes himself to always be right, context takes a backseat.
'Wake Up Dead Man' is a moving song in which the world-weary speaker pleads for Jesus to do something to straighten out the world, which the speaker sees as corrupt and evil. The speaker is beginning to lose hope and faith and cries out to God. A later U2 song, 'Peace on Earth' is something of a companion piece to 'Wake Up Dead Man.'
'Love Rescue Me' is quite similar in tone.
Neither of these songs mock anything. They are songs about the human condition. It is unfortunate that witch hunts, such as the one promoted on this thread, seem to know no bounds. It is also unfortunate that our schools, colleges, and universities have failed to adequately educate people on the usages of hyperbole and metaphor in art. Further, it is sad that self-important posters with too much time on their hands see fit to attack anything and everything with which they disagree.
I am appalled you would defend such trash.
"Wake Up Dead Man" calls Jesus a dead man and "Love Rescue Me" curses the Lord. That is blasphemy. If you don't see that, there isn't much anyone can say to cure your blindness.
Then you'll just have to be appalled. I personally could not care less.
I'm sure we'll all be a better church and a better society when they ban all that howwible ol' secular music and the only thing we ever hear is the religious music wafting down from the high speakers of the religious buildings.
Kinda like in some Islamic areas.
: janine Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 09:38:34
I'm sure we'll all be a better church and a better society when they ban all that howwible ol' secular music and the only thing we ever hear is the religious music wafting down from the high speakers of the religious buildings.
Kinda like in some Islamic areas.
Why have you turned this into a mocking of what is good, and the defense of what is clearly evil?
Have you been so calloused by the world that your discernment has turned you to scorn?
What have you listed that is 'good'? Honestly, I have not come across one positive thing written by you on any of the boards on this site. Everything you write is negative, negative, negative, critical, critical, critical. Perhaps you could actually give an example of something that meets your personal criteria of 'good'. We know it's not rock music, Catholicism, or voting.
: CSloan Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 00:56:24
"I see faith in your eyes: Never your hear the discouraging lies: I hear faith in your cries: Broken is the promise, betrayal: The healing hand held back by the deepened nail: Follow the god that failed"
~Metallica mocking the crucifixion in - The God That Failed
Not mocking the crucifixion, but his Christian Science upbringing.
: CSloan Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 08:41:46
"Angel from below, change my dreams: I want for glory's hour, for wealth's esteem: I wish to sell my soul, to be reborn: I wish for earthly riches, don't want no crown of thorns: I was born a fool, don't want to stay that way: Devil take my soul, with diamonds you repay: I don't care for heaven, so don't you look for me to cry: And I will burn in hell, from the day I die"
~Metallica explains just how they got so rich and famous in - The Prince
That song was written by Diamond Head not Metallica. Metallica did a cover of that song.
: don has a plan Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 10:37:45
What have you listed that is 'good'? Honestly, I have not come across one positive thing written by you on any of the boards on this site. Everything you write is negative, negative, negative, critical, critical, critical. Perhaps you could actually give an example of something that meets your personal criteria of 'good'. We know it's not rock music, Catholicism, or voting.
Matthew 19:17
Slaves
Hebrews born to serve, to the pharaoh
Heed
To his every word, live in fear
Faith
Of the unknown one, the deliverer
Wait
Something must be done, four hundred years
So let it be written
So let it be done
I'm sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh's son
I'm creeping death
Now
Let my people go, land of Goshen
Go
I will be with thee, bush of fire
Blood
Running red and strong down the Nile
Plague
Darkness three days long, hail to fire
So let it be written
So let it be done
I'm sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh's son
I'm creeping death
Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first-born man
Die by my hand
I creep across the land
Killing first-born man
I
Rule the midnight air, the destroyer
Born
I shall soon be there, deadly mass
I
Creep the steps and floor, final darkness
Blood
Lambs blood painted door, I shall pass
So let it be written
So let it be done
I'm sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh's son
I'm creeping death
Metallica - Creeping Death (also found in Exodus)
20 "Look, O LORD, and consider:
Whom have you ever treated like this?
Should women eat their offspring,
the children they have cared for?
Should priest and prophet be killed
in the sanctuary of the Lord?
21 "Young and old lie together
in the dust of the streets;
my young men and maidens
have fallen by the sword.
You have slain them in the day of your anger;
you have slaughtered them without pity.
22 "As you summon to a feast day,
so you summoned against me terrors on every side.
In the day of the LORD's anger
no one escaped or survived;
those I cared for and reared,
my enemy has destroyed."
Lamentations
"I have lost the will to live: Simply nothing more to give: There is nothing more for me: Need the end to set me free... No one but me can save myself, but it's too late: Now I can't think, think why I should even try: Yesterday seems as though it never existed: Death greets me warm, now I will just say goodbye, *Goodbye*"
~Metallica glorifying suicide in - Fade to Black (Same album as the Creeping Death)
First let me say I know there is blaphameous stuff out there. I'm not defending that.
But in our polemic on the music industry - I think we need to realize that poetic license is used to state the truth. Not everything that sounds negative on its surface really is. I mean... look at Ecclesiates, Job, Psalms, Lamentations. Our God is big enough to speak to the pathos of human existence. If we were as harsh on the Bible as we are about some of the songs out there - then we would be interpreting the Bible with a pen knife - cutting out all that we don't agree with.
"Down in the depths of my fiery home: The summons bell will chime: Tempting you and all the earth: to join our sinful kind: There is a job to be done and I'm the one: You people make me do it: Now it is time for your fate and I won't hesitate: to pull you down into this pit: So come on, Jump in the Fire, So come on, Jump in the Fire"
~Metallica reveals where they intend to lead their fans in - Jump in the Fire
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: Big Mike Lewis Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:20:11
: CSloan Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:13:25
"I have lost the will to live: Simply nothing more to give: There is nothing more for me: Need the end to set me free... No one but me can save myself, but it's too late: Now I can't think, think why I should even try: Yesterday seems as though it never existed: Death greets me warm, now I will just say goodbye, *Goodbye*"
~Metallica glorifying suicide in - Fade to Black (Same album as the Creeping Death)
mmmhmm. I was just pointing out that you don't know any history behind your music you are quoting. Not justifying bad behavior.
Does someone need to know the history behind the music before their influenced by it?
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: Big Mike Lewis Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:24:57
: CSloan Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:23:08
: Big Mike Lewis Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:20:11
: CSloan Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:13:25
"I have lost the will to live: Simply nothing more to give: There is nothing more for me: Need the end to set me free... No one but me can save myself, but it's too late: Now I can't think, think why I should even try: Yesterday seems as though it never existed: Death greets me warm, now I will just say goodbye, *Goodbye*"
~Metallica glorifying suicide in - Fade to Black (Same album as the Creeping Death)
mmmhmm. I was just pointing out that you don't know any history behind your music you are quoting. Not justifying bad behavior.
Does someone need to know the history behind the music before their influenced by it?
Not at all, but let's not blame music for poor morals or bad decisions. That's a cop out.
Whats the copout, not recognizing the evil that we are pumping into the hearts of our children, or justifiying it?
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: CSloan Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:23:08
Does someone need to know the history behind the music before their influenced by it?
It's "they're" not "their". Hmm...I think I just realized something....
: Big Mike Lewis Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:30:56
: CSloan Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:27:23
Whats the copout, not recognizing the evil that we are pumping into the hearts of our children, or justifiying it?
I am not justifying it! Didn't you all hear me say that?
Second, I am not pumping any music into anyone, so if my kids turn out bad, then I can't turn on the music industry for releasing bad music. It's my fault for not parenting them.
"If somebody kills themselves because of our music, then that's one less stupid person in the world...Raise your kids better or I'll be raising them for you.
Nice try to equivocate me with him. That's not what I was saying. People on here know me and my heart. I am cutting off communication with you because you are now slandering my name. Slander is sin...let's not measure sin by our standards now...
: Big Mike Lewis Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 11:37:48
Nice try to equivocate me with him. That's not what I was saying. People on here know me and my heart. I am cutting off communication with you because you are now slandering my name. Slander is sin...let's not measure sin by our standards now...
You tried, Mike. It's a lost cause, though.
Thanks Don...I just don't like conspiracy theorists. I must hate kids too huh?
When we look at the state of the church today, and the state of the world, and then we consider what we set before our eyes and ears, and allow into our hearts, is there any question as to why? It's not a matter of conspiracy theory, it's a matter of apathy, and conformity to the world.
If you do not parent your kids well, Marilyn Manson and Prince and the more profane rappers and Garth Brooks and Oprah and your preacher will raise them.
There is not really any difference between all those influences, at least as far as thinking in simple terms of stuff the kid is told or sees or hears.
It's up to you to parent.
I will assume that everyone who has posted so vehemently on this thread, against the Eeeeville Music Industry, has also homeschooled their children, right? And I would not see your kids dressed in anything with a corporate logo on it, right?
If you're concerned about holiness and purity down to the tiny foundational building block degree, I must assume that you speak up whenever your church group wants to do anything you find questionable... like, if the teens want to hold a car wash to raise money for a bus trip, you'd not allow the congregation's name out there in public like that, would you, soliciting?
Not that you'd really want them doing a car wash anyway... bunch of teens in clingy wet clothing is roo much devil-foothold.
None of you work for any company with any questionable practices I hope? You've researched the personal lives of the people you work for, I hope. Wouldn't want to support an evil lifestyle.
Have you done away with all the nursery rhymes and most of the holiday celebration trappings? So many of them had origins in evil and death...
And every time you state the common names of the days of the week, don't forget all those pagan deities you're calling on. Watch your mouth. You never know when Odin or Thor will show up if you invoke them like that.
Have you taken a razor knife and cut any songs out of the songbook with tunes that originated as secular, or even tavern/drinking, tunes?
Just thinkin'...
"I bash myself to sleep: What you sow I will reap: I scar myself you see: I wish I wasn't me... I throw a little fit: I slit my teenage wrist: most I can learn: Is records that you burn: Get your gunn"
~Marilyn Manson urges kids to commit suicide in - Get Your Gunn
Are you sure you want to ask me those questions, Janine?... Regardless, why are you trying so hard to muddy the waters? Song lyrics have been listed that are outright blasphemous, and you're talking about corporate logos? Britney Spears, Christina Aguilara and Madonna have a mock lesbian wedding performance at the MTV Music Awards, which they ended by singing the words "we are bored with the concept of right and wrong", and you want to talk about days of the week? Apples and oranges, Janine. Gnats and camels.
: James Rondon Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 12:38:31
When we look at the state of the church today, and the state of the world, and then we consider what we set before our eyes and ears, and allow into our hearts, is there any question as to why? It's not a matter of conspiracy theory, it's a matter of apathy, and conformity to the world.
The word conspire means to plan secretly unlawful acts, to plan acts of evil. Satan conspires to destroy humanity and lead humanity away from Christ(the only one who can give salvation). He conspires to get the church to be lukewarm, to be just like the world. James4:4, Titus2:12 and 1st John2:15 tell us not to love the world, not to be wordly. You cannot serve Christ if you are worldly. Satan has done a real job bringing in worldliness into the church. he has done a real job getting christians to be lukewarm(as many of them are). That is conspiracy. He plots that evil secretly(he certainly doesn't want to be expsoed). he comes to steal, kill and destroy(John10:10) which is contrary to the abundant life that Jesus came to give us(also in John10:10). The ungodly music in the music industry is contrary to the abundant life, it is spiritual death. Sin leads to death and that's what that music promotes. Satan has conspired to bring that music into society. It's amazing as to how many people laugh and mock, calling us conspiracy theorists. Anyone who is not ignorant of Satan's devices(as 2nd Corinthians2:11 tells us to be), would agree that satan conspires to destroy humanity.
: janine Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 09:38:34
I'm sure we'll all be a better church and a better society when they ban all that howwible ol' secular music and the only thing we ever hear is the religious music wafting down from the high speakers of the religious buildings.
Kinda like in some Islamic areas.
Let's be realistic. There's no way that will ever happen. : ::sarcasm:: We'el never rid the world from all the howwible ol' secular music that is poisoning people's minds and desensitizing people to sin. ::frown:: But we can expose it for what is really is. We can enlighten people to know what they are really listening to, that way they are not deceived, listening to ungodly music thinking it's just music. 2nd Corinthians2:11 says to not be ignorant of Satan's devices, lest he will get an advantage over you. Hosea4:6 says that God's people are destroyed because of lack of knowledge. The truth is, God's people who are supposed to be walking in truth, are being deceived. It effects their walk with God, because God desires that His people know the truth(John8:32), and walk in the truth(3rd John, vs.3,4).
: CSloan Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 10:19:28
Why have you turned this into a mocking of what is good, and the defense of what is clearly evil?
Have you been so calloused by the world that your discernment has turned you to scorn?
Don't let that get to you. There are some people here that don't want the truth to get out.
"I'll give you black sensations up and down your spine: If you're into evil you're a friend of mine: See my white light flashing as I split the night: 'cause if Good's on the left, then I'm stickin' to the right: I won't take no prisoners, won't spare no lives: Nobody's puttin' up a fight: I got my bell, I'm gonna take you to hell: I'm gonna get you, Satan get you: Hell's Bells"
~ACDC like the pied piper aims to lead their fans into the lake of fire in - Hells Bells
Blasphemy of Hollywood. Blasphemy of radio shows. Blasphemy of TV shows. Blasphemy of the office party. Blasphemy of the next door neighbor. Blasphemy of ...
Sadly, blasphemy is not limited to rock and roll, country music, rhythm and blues, rap or any other music type.
Blasphemy of GCM
Blasphemy is not limited to the music industry...
SO LET'S ROCK!!!
: James Rondon Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 17:29:41
Blasphemy is not limited to the music industry...
SO LET'S ROCK!!!
CORRECTIONLET'S CHRISTIAN ROCK!!!
Are you saying that there might be something wrong with secular rock, or secular music in general?
: James Rondon Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 17:43:00
Are you saying that there might be something wrong with secular rock, or secular music in general?
Rock is dead and Christian rock is awful.
I would agree. But why is rock "dead"? And why is "Christian rock" awful?
: James Rondon Tue Sep 11, 2007 - 17:49:41
I would agree. But why is rock "dead"? And why is "Christian rock" awful?
When the rock bands that are around are some hip-hop hybrid or pop group, and the Rolling Stones are the best sellers at the box office, rock is most certainly death.
"Christian Rock" is awful because it is contrived, at least that is my opinion.
I don't think you've heard the most recent Christian rock...I happen to like it.
All of the ground is sinking sand
A doubting maze of desert land
Where darkness rules the heart of man
Til' the sun shines light on him
Lord of all,
Show you're strong
All my needs they fall
Chorus:
Be a cornerstone
Be a cornerstone
Be a rock, higher than I
Be my fortress wall
Be a foundation for all,
My cornerstone
The building's swaying in the wind
The towers crumble down again
This certainly will be the end
Of them not built on him
Lord of all
Show your strong
All my needs they fall
(Chorus)
You
You are the builder of my heart
You
Held me together from the start
(Chorus)
"Cornerstone" by Day Of Fire
I did say it was my opinion. I am not casting holy judgement upon Christian Rock
"Torches blazed and sacred chants were praised: As they start to cry hands held to the sky: In the night the fires burning bright: The ritual has begun Satan's work is done... But I feel drawn towards the evil chanting hordes: They seem to mesmerise me: can't avoid their eyes: 666 the number of the beast: 666 the one for you and me"
~Iron Maiden claims the mark for them and their fans in - The Number Of The Beast
"Father Lucifer: You never looked so sane: You always did prefer the drizzle to the rain: Tell me that you're still in love with that Milkmaid: How's the Lizzies: How's your Jesus christ been hanging"
~Tori Amos admits her father is the devil and blasphemes the Lord in - Father Lucifer
Tori Amos' father is an Episcopal priest. Hopefully, he didn't take the 'Father Lucifer' reference personally.
"Rock has always been the devils music. . . I believe rock and roll is dangerous . . . I feel we're only heralding something even darker than ourselves."
~David Bowie - Rolling Stone, Feb. 12, 1976
I'm as serious as cancer,
When I say Rhythm is a Dancer.
Snap -- 'Rhythm Is a Dancer'
Truly dreadful lyrics.
"I'm the devil's advocate. We have our own worshippers who are called 'groupies.' Girls will give their bodies to musicians as you would give a sacrifice to a god."
~Frank Zappa - What About Christian Rock
"The energy of devils and angels is the same energy; it's how you use it. It's fuel. There is a saying: If you scare all your devils away, the angels will go away with them. You know, the halo and the horns are the same thing. I mean it's OK to be spiritually horny - that's what creative genius is all about. Geniuses don't have time to think about how it's going to be received... they don't have time to think whether people like it or not, is it morally right, will God like it?"
~Carlos Santana admits to being controlled by demons, and having no concern for morality or God - Rolling Stone, magazine, March 16, 2000, p. 87.
"...you meditate and you got the candles, you got the incense and you've been chanting, and all of a sudden you hear this voice: 'Write this down' "
~Carlos Santana reveals where his music comes from to - Rolling Stone magazine, March 16, 2000, p. 41
: CSloan Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 09:55:59
"...you meditate and you got the candles, you got the incense and you've been chanting, and all of a sudden you hear this voice: 'Write this down' "
~Carlos Santana reveals where his music comes from to - Rolling Stone magazine, March 16, 2000, p. 41
If you did that much drugs, you might hear voices too.
: Gary Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 09:57:40
: CSloan Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 09:55:59
"...you meditate and you got the candles, you got the incense and you've been chanting, and all of a sudden you hear this voice: 'Write this down' "
~Carlos Santana reveals where his music comes from to - Rolling Stone magazine, March 16, 2000, p. 41
If you did that much drugs, you might hear voices too.
Nice.
"I can't wait any longer: I can't wait 'til I'm stronger: Can't wait any longer: To see what you see: When I look at the world: I'm in the waiting room: I can't see for the smoke: I think of you and your holy book : when the rest of us choke"
~U2 reviles the God and the bible in - When I Look At the World
Oh, thanks for reminding me of 'When I Look at the World'. That's one of my favorites, but it's like 10th or 11th on the 'All That You Can't Leave Behind' cd, so if I'm driving a short distance, I don't make it to that song. I'll start with that one today on the way home. Beautiful song.
This thread is quite useful. It's reminded me of two good songs I haven't listened to in a long time.
"Get them while they're young and bend their minds."
~Spencer Dryden of the rock group - Jefferson Starship
"Get stoned and worship Satan."
~ Kurt Cobain
::frown::
"I can explain everything better though music. You hypnotize people to where they go right back to their natural state, and when you get people at their weakest point, you can preach into their subconscious what we want to say."
~Jimi Hendrix
I'm lying here with Susan, with Linda on my mind. Conway Twitty
"You say you found Jesus Christ
He's the only one
You say you found Buddha
Sitting in the sun
You say you found Mohammed
Facing to the east
You say you found Krishna
Dancing in the seats
Ain't nobody gonna do it for you
Well you may believe in devils
and you may believe in lords
But Christ, you're gonna have to serve yourself and that's all there is to it
You got to serve yourself
Ain't nobody gonna do it for you
You gotta serve yourself
Nobody's gonna do it for you"
~ John Lennon, "Serve Yourself"
Rock star, Marilyn Manson, proudly boasts:
"Hopefully, I'll be remembered as the person who brought an end to Christianity." (Spin, August 1996, p. 34)
: CSloan Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 10:17:07
"I can't wait any longer: I can't wait 'til I'm stronger: Can't wait any longer: To see what you see: When I look at the world: I'm in the waiting room: I can't see for the smoke: I think of you and your holy book : when the rest of us choke"
~U2 reviles the God and the bible in - When I Look At the World
Did you actually bother to read
all the lyrics of that song? It is somewhat like quoting scripture out of context, or broadcasting only a snippet of someone's speech - you can make it sound like they're saying the opposite of their real message. Here is the song in full - especially note the ending.
When you look at the world
What is it that you see
People find all kinds of things
That bring them to their knees
I see an expression
So clear and so true
That changes the atmosphere
When you walk to the room
So I try to be like you
Try to feel it like you do
But without you it's no use
I can't see what you see
When I look at the world
When the night is someone else's
And you're trying to get some sleep
When your thoughts are too expensive
To ever want to keep
When there's all kinds of chaos
And everyone is walking lame
You don't even blink now do you
Don't even look away
So I try to be like you
Try to feel it like you do
But without you it's no use
I can't see what you see
When I look at the world
I can't wait any longer
I can't wait 'til I'm stronger
Can't wait any longer
To see what you see
When I look at the world
I'm in the waiting room
I can't see for the smoke
I think of you and your holy book
When the rest of us choke
Tell me, tell me
What do you see
Tell me, tell me
What's wrong with me
This is not reviling God or the Bible. These are the words of someone who recognizes that the Christian ("you" in the lyrics) has an insight or understanding that he lacks.
This, CSloan, is an example of what irritates people about this thread. You are apparently not checking into the claims you make when you post these little clips of song lyrics. Are you just copying and pasting from a web site, or are you looking up these lyrics yourself?
I was there when they crucified my lord
I held the scabbard when the soldier drew his sword
I threw the dice when they pierced his side
But Ive seen love conquer the great divide
U2 w/BB King
The song originally featured an additional verse:
When I woke up I was sleeping on the street
I felt the world was dancing, and I was dirt beneath their feet
When I woke up I saw the Devil looking down
But my Lord He played guitar the day love came to town
: Nevertheless Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 21:49:16
: CSloan Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 10:17:07
"I can't wait any longer: I can't wait 'til I'm stronger: Can't wait any longer: To see what you see: When I look at the world: I'm in the waiting room: I can't see for the smoke: I think of you and your holy book : when the rest of us choke"
~U2 reviles the God and the bible in - When I Look At the World
Did you actually bother to read all the lyrics of that song? It is somewhat like quoting scripture out of context, or broadcasting only a snippet of someone's speech - you can make it sound like they're saying the opposite of their real message. Here is the song in full - especially note the ending.
When you look at the world
What is it that you see
People find all kinds of things
That bring them to their knees
I see an expression
So clear and so true
That changes the atmosphere
When you walk to the room
So I try to be like you
Try to feel it like you do
But without you it's no use
I can't see what you see
When I look at the world
When the night is someone else's
And you're trying to get some sleep
When your thoughts are too expensive
To ever want to keep
When there's all kinds of chaos
And everyone is walking lame
You don't even blink now do you
Don't even look away
So I try to be like you
Try to feel it like you do
But without you it's no use
I can't see what you see
When I look at the world
I can't wait any longer
I can't wait 'til I'm stronger
Can't wait any longer
To see what you see
When I look at the world
I'm in the waiting room
I can't see for the smoke
I think of you and your holy book
When the rest of us choke
Tell me, tell me
What do you see
Tell me, tell me
What's wrong with me
This is not reviling God or the Bible. These are the words of someone who recognizes that the Christian ("you" in the lyrics) has an insight or understanding that he lacks.
This, CSloan, is an example of what irritates people about this thread. You are apparently not checking into the claims you make when you post these little clips of song lyrics. Are you just copying and pasting from a web site, or are you looking up these lyrics yourself?
Could the same be said for all of the quotes on this thread?
I think "what irritates people about this thread" is the fact that many of them listen to worldly music, including many of the artists that have been listed, and they are being convicted by the Spirit of God as a result (cf. Psa. 101:3, not just limited to "eyes").
Then you would be wrong about that.
Since you cannot speak for the many which I wrote about, I stand by my statement.
Could the same be said for all of the quotes on this thread?
I really have no idea. I simply googled the song title because CSloan's statement about it didn't ring true. That is not the point. Others have already told him he was misinterpreting some of the songs, and I think if he actually read this one before posting the snippet he did, then it had to have been done purposefully. I don't think CSloan would do that, which is why I asked if he was just copying and pasting from some web site he found.
I think "what irritates people about this thread" is the fact that many of them listen to worldly music, including many of the artists that have been listed, and they are being convicted by the Spirit of God as a result (cf. Psa. 101:3, not just limited to "eyes").
In some cases that's probably true. You (that's a collective you) have said that it's important to expose evil. I would agree with that. However, evil must be exposed by
truth, not lies, innuendos, or fabrications.
[I cite CSloan here because he started this thread and is the primary poster, but I include all who support what he's doing.]
CSloan must be held to the highest level of integrity in this, or he simply appears to be a hypocrite, or at least a simpleton. This does not reflect well on our Lord.
May we all be held to the highest level of integrity in all things. May we do nothing out of partiality, or selfish motives. All that we do reflects upon our Lord... May it reflect well.
I don't listen to any of these. So.....the only way the lyrics would be in my head would be via the thread here. Ironic, ain't it?
Same here jmg.
The same thing happens when false doctrines are exposed. You may not believe or teach such things, and whatever the teaching is may not be something that you even think upon, but when they are exposed, and when they are brought to your attention, they're (in such a sense) in your head...
: James Rondon Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 22:31:42
The same thing happens when false doctrines are exposed. You may not believe or teach such things, and whatever the teaching is may not be something that you even think upon, but when they are exposed, and when they are brought to your attention, they're (in such a sense) in your head...
But when you "expose" false doctrines, and it turns out your "exposing" was incorrect, it puts egg on all our faces.
I certainly believe there is evil in some secular music. However, some of this thread reminds me of being in "Language Arts" class in high school and being asked to look at a poem that is 3 stanzas long and write a full page on what the author was trying to convey, and every single person in the class wrote something different.
: Gary Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 22:41:14
: James Rondon Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 22:31:42
The same thing happens when false doctrines are exposed. You may not believe or teach such things, and whatever the teaching is may not be something that you even think upon, but when they are exposed, and when they are brought to your attention, they're (in such a sense) in your head...
But when you "expose" false doctrines, and it turns out your "exposing" was incorrect, it puts egg on all our faces.
I don't know of one quote that I have put up, here, that would qualify for such a comparison.
: Nevertheless Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 21:49:16
: CSloan Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 10:17:07
"I can't wait any longer: I can't wait 'til I'm stronger: Can't wait any longer: To see what you see: When I look at the world: I'm in the waiting room: I can't see for the smoke: I think of you and your holy book : when the rest of us choke"
~U2 reviles the God and the bible in - When I Look At the World
Did you actually bother to read all the lyrics of that song? It is somewhat like quoting scripture out of context, or broadcasting only a snippet of someone's speech - you can make it sound like they're saying the opposite of their real message. Here is the song in full - especially note the ending.
This is not reviling God or the Bible. These are the words of someone who recognizes that the Christian ("you" in the lyrics) has an insight or understanding that he lacks.
*Removed song lyrics*
This, CSloan, is an example of what irritates people about this thread. You are apparently not checking into the claims you make when you post these little clips of song lyrics. Are you just copying and pasting from a web site, or are you looking up these lyrics yourself?
The last verse of "When I Look at the Word" concludes with a rejection of God and his holy book. I'm not going to get into a exegesis of U2 lyrics, if you disagree thats fine; I feel its pretty clear.
: Nevertheless Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 22:20:03[I cite CSloan here because he started this thread and is the primary poster, but I include all who support what he's doing.]
CSloan must be held to the highest level of integrity in this, or he simply appears to be a hypocrite, or at least a simpleton. This does not reflect well on our Lord.
I am a simpleton and have been a hypocrite at times, I make no other claims. But I do strive to hold all I do in the integrity of Jesus Christ.
I am a simpleton and have been a hypocrite at times, I make no other claims. But I do strive to hold all I do in the integrity of Jesus Christ.
It's not shameful to have a dirty face, but refusing to wash is childish.
You are tossing about accusations of blasphemy. Do you even care if what you're saying is true?
: Nevertheless Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 23:36:17
I am a simpleton and have been a hypocrite at times, I make no other claims. But I do strive to hold all I do in the integrity of Jesus Christ.
It's not shameful to have a dirty face, but refusing to wash is childish.
You are tossing about accusations of blasphemy. Do you even care if what you're saying is true?
What I see in these songs is clearly blasphemous, to contrive their meanings into something else would be disingenuous and hypocritical.
Do you care if what you're saying is true?
: James Rondon Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 22:31:42
The same thing happens when false doctrines are exposed. You may not believe or teach such things, and whatever the teaching is may not be something that you even think upon, but when they are exposed, and when they are brought to your attention, they're (in such a sense) in your head...
Which is why I don't hand out print-outs of false doctrines to the church every week.
: CSloan Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 23:57:24
: Nevertheless Thu Sep 13, 2007 - 23:36:17
I am a simpleton and have been a hypocrite at times, I make no other claims. But I do strive to hold all I do in the integrity of Jesus Christ.
It's not shameful to have a dirty face, but refusing to wash is childish.
You are tossing about accusations of blasphemy. Do you even care if what you're saying is true?
What I see in these songs is clearly blasphemous, to contrive their meanings into something else would be disingenuous and hypocritical.
Our perceptions are not always reality. We must be careful when considering to make accusations of blasphemy.
"I think every time people listen to this new album maybe God will be destroyed in their heads. . ."
Marilyn Manson's intentions for - Antichrist Superstar
"I heard this album as finished, I heard it in dreams . . . It was like the revelations of John the Baptist or something."
~Marilyn Manson claims his album Antichrist Superstar came via "supernatural-inspiration"
"KILL YOUR PARENTS" and "I LOVE SATAN".
~Marilyn Manson T-Shirt
No he isn't.
He may in other lyrics, I don't know, not being a fan and frequent listener of his.
Nothing in that particular quote you just quoted urges anybody to do anything. It's a narrative, a description of the state he's in. Might just as well say that a teen's little brother, wetting his pants during potty training and reporting it to the teen for help, is in fact the baby urging the teen to wet his pants.
: Nevertheless Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 00:17:29
Do you care if what you're saying is true?
The silence is deafening.
: Nevertheless Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 09:37:48
: Nevertheless Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 00:17:29
Do you care if what you're saying is true?
The silence is deafening.
I already told you what I consider true, and you rejected my answer. I have nothing else to say.
One of Marilyn Manson's t-shirts reads in large red letters — KILL GOD, KILL YOUR MOM & DAD, KILL YOURSELF. In smaller, harder-to-read letters, the shirt reads:
"Warning, the music of Marilyn Manson contains messages that will KILL GOD In your impressionable teenage mind, as a result you could be convinced to KILL YOUR MOM & DAD, And eventually in an act of hopeless Rock and Roll behavior you will KILL YOURSELF. Please burn your records while there is still hope".
My suspicion is that csloan has not read all of the lyrics to all of the songs he has cited. My suspicion is he is getting his information from a website and copying and pasting here. My suspicion is that he's not necessarily concerned with whether what he's posting is true or not. My suspicion is that he has no problem taking things out of context if doing so provides support for his position.
BTW -- It's not really necessary to copy and paste one Marilyn Manson thing after another. Mr. Warner is well-known as being anti-Christian. He does what he does in order to deliberately aggravate people like you -- and you fall into it hook, line, and sinker. The rest of the world, btw, has stopped paying attention to him, which is why his record sales of late are worse than Zamfir's.
: don has a plan Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 12:03:50
My suspicion is that csloan has not read all of the lyrics to all of the songs he has cited. My suspicion is he is getting his information from a website and copying and pasting here. My suspicion is that he's not necessarily concerned with whether what he's posting is true or not. My suspicion is that he has no problem taking things out of context if doing so provides support for his position.
BTW -- It's not really necessary to copy and paste one Marilyn Manson thing after another. Mr. Warner is well-known as being anti-Christian. He does what he does in order to deliberately aggravate people like you -- and you fall into it hook, line, and sinker. The rest of the world, btw, has stopped paying attention to him, which is why his record sales of late are worse than Zamfir's.
Just to let you know your evil surmising are incorrect. Some of the quote are from a website, and of course I am copying and pasting (since I'm not going to type this stuff out by hand...) But for you to suggest I am doing this to sow discord or to be divisive is just accusatory and judgmental.
The context of these quotes are are irrelevant, and putting them into a fuller context wouldn't dilute or extinguish the evil they promote. But I invite you to defend the context of the Kurt Cobain and Marilyn Manson quotes that promote killing your parents, or worshipping Satan.
[Being charitable and removing my previous insult.]
: don has a plan Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 12:50:24
[Being charitable and removing my previous insult.]
Thank you for being charitable by not insulting me.
: don has a plan Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 12:03:50
My suspicion is that csloan has not read all of the lyrics to all of the songs he has cited. My suspicion is he is getting his information from a website and copying and pasting here. My suspicion is that he's not necessarily concerned with whether what he's posting is true or not. My suspicion is that he has no problem taking things out of context if doing so provides support for his position.
His responses to me have made that quite clear. I think it's best if I treat his posts on the subject exactly the way I treat the musicians he's quoting --- ignore them.
"When I was just a boy: The devil took my hand: Took me from my home: He made me a man: So, don't talk to me: about sympathy now: Cause you can't dance if you: Take a chance on your rosary: I'm going down, down, down, down, down: On the homebound train"
~Jon Bon Jovi - Homebound train
"One night we were playing and suddenly the spirit entered into me and I was playing but it was no longer me playing."
~John McGlaughlin speaks of being possessed
"Someone else is steering me. I'm just along for the ride. I become possessed when I'm on stage."
~AC/DC guitarist Angus Young speaking of his possesion
: CSloan Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 13:35:45
"One night we were playing and suddenly the spirit entered into me and I was playing but it was no longer me playing."
~John McGlaughlin speaks of being possessed
I like that one. I've heard Pentecostals say the exact same thing about dancing in church, jumping over pews, and speaking in tongues.
: CSloan Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 09:44:43
One of Marilyn Manson's t-shirts reads in large red letters — KILL GOD, KILL YOUR MOM & DAD, KILL YOURSELF. In smaller, harder-to-read letters, the shirt reads:
"Warning, the music of Marilyn Manson contains messages that will KILL GOD In your impressionable teenage mind, as a result you could be convinced to KILL YOUR MOM & DAD, And eventually in an act of hopeless Rock and Roll behavior you will KILL YOURSELF. Please burn your records while there is still hope".
I don't get it.
This is EXACTLY what y'all are saying these howwibul evil rock & rollers are trying to do!
Why are you upset if MM has a shirt like that? Don't you just consider it truth in advertising?
"I don't know if anyone has really understood what we're trying to do. This isn't just about shock value . . . that's just there to lure the people in. Once we've got em we can give em our message."
~Marilyn Manson to Hit Parader, Oct. 1996
Obviously, Marilyn Manson isn't a Christian, and therefore will be going to the other place when he dies.
We don't need anymore quotes.
"We cannot say this enough. We are not a 'Christian' band. We have no agenda to lead others to believe in our specific beliefs. Drug use is allowed in the band, but nothing more than you could grow in your own back yard. And I love women.
"We've always just had a positive message. I grew up listening to Slayer, Celtic Frost and Metallica. The last thing I ever thought was people would say I was in a Christian band. After a while of us going, No, we're not... no, we're not... no, we're not, it got to a point there was not much more we could say or do aside from coming out with satanic T-shirts onstage.
Rebelling against his Christian upbringing, Scott Stapp of Creed says:
"God wasn't revealed to me for 17 years of my life. God was revealed to me when I went away from that and had my own experiences. God was revealed to me through humanity and nature and everything that's around us.
Michael Card on CCM:
"The lyrics of a good number of the songs don't betray anything specifically Christian —they may have some moral message, but not a lot of the big songs are identifiably Christian. . . 'What happens to the message when we start getting the music to as many people as possible?' There is an essential part of the gospel that's not ever going to sell. The gospel is good news, but it is also bad news: 'You are a sinner, and you are hopeless.' How is a multimillion-dollar record company going to take that? That's a part of the message, too, and if that's taken out—and it frequently is in Christian music— it ceases to be the gospel." (Can't Buy Me Love, Christianity Today, May 20, 1996, p. 25)
"Why do we IDOLIZE Christian singers and speakers? We go from glorifying musicians in the world, to GLORIFYING Christian musicians. It's all idolatry! . . . Satan is getting a great victory as we seem to WORSHIP these ministers on tapes and records, and clamor to get their autographs in churches and concert halls from coast to coast." (Keith Green, from the Tract, "So You Wanna Be A Rock Star")
Here is where you can find some of this info about Rock music, Christian rock music, etc:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/devils_music.htm
: Gary Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 11:20:46
The following song lyrics are from a song by Phillips, Craig, and Dean and illustrates looking at Jesus as a lover:
And I'll stand in awe of You, Jesus
Yes, I'll stand in awe of You
And I'll let my words be few
Jesus, I am so in love with You
What's wrong with telling the Lord that one loves Him. I tell Him gladly that I love Him. The bible calls Him the lover of our souls.
: Gary Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 12:15:47
Here is where you can find some of this info about Rock music, Christian rock music, etc:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/devils_music.htm
That sets off my internet filter.
Override your filter - you will LOVE this site.
: Quinn Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 13:52:24
Override your filter - you will LOVE this site.
I can see a few parts of www.jesus-is-savior.com, but I can't see some parts of it. I can't override the filter though, I give other people the passwords. Just to help keep myself accountable.
(http://www.happytalk.org/Job%2034%204.jpg)
: Gary Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 12:15:47
Here is where you can find some of this info about Rock music, Christian rock music, etc:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/devils_music.htm
Careful, Gary. Posting a link to that site, and posting some of the quotes you have posted may not be well received by some.
: janine Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 07:26:40
: CSloan Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 09:44:43
One of Marilyn Manson's t-shirts reads in large red letters — KILL GOD, KILL YOUR MOM & DAD, KILL YOURSELF. In smaller, harder-to-read letters, the shirt reads:
"Warning, the music of Marilyn Manson contains messages that will KILL GOD In your impressionable teenage mind, as a result you could be convinced to KILL YOUR MOM & DAD, And eventually in an act of hopeless Rock and Roll behavior you will KILL YOURSELF. Please burn your records while there is still hope".
I don't get it.
This is EXACTLY what y'all are saying these howwibul evil rock & rollers are trying to do!
Why are you upset if MM has a shirt like that? Don't you just consider it truth in advertising?
What does "howwibul" mean?
: marc Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 16:32:36
(http://www.happytalk.org/Job%2034%204.jpg)
"Every man did that which was right in his own eyes..." ~ Judges, 17:6, cf. 7-13
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: marc Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 16:44:42
(http://www.happytalk.org/Proverbs%2011%2027.jpg)
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." ~ Ephesians 5:11
(http://www.happytalk.org/2%20Samuel%2023%2015.jpg)
I see we are playing the scripture version of the card game WAR.
: CSloan Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 14:04:40
: Quinn Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 13:52:24
Override your filter - you will LOVE this site.
I can see a few parts of www.jesus-is-savior.com, but I can't see some parts of it. I can't override the filter though, I give other people the passwords. Just to help keep myself accountable.
The filtered parts were copied and pasted from your quotes on this thread! :)
Rolling Stone magazine reported that Kid Rock is coming out of his four year hiatus this October, with the release of his new album, "Rock N' Roll Jesus". Here is a quote from RollingStone.com, about the album:
"The album is hot s#@!: a b@#$ *%! rock record with strip-club-ready bangers like 'So Hot', giant AC/DC-style guitars, better singing than ever and only one rap song...
"According to Rock, Jesus has passed the crucial hot-chick test... 'It's the best thing I've ever done," he says, 'I've had friends over when we're playing back. Sometimes there'll be girls running around naked and we're like, 'F@*#, turn the music on!' The feedback about the album has been very positive.'"
::frown::
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: James Rondon Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:16:24
Rolling Stone magazine reported that Kid Rock is coming out of his four year hiatus this October, with the release of his new album, "Rock N' Roll Jesus". Here is a quote from RollingStone.com, about the album:
"The album is hot s#@!: a b@#$ *%! rock record with strip-club-ready bangers like 'So Hot', giant AC/DC-style guitars, better singing than ever and only one rap song...
"According to Rock, Jesus has passed the crucial hot-chick test... 'It's the best thing I've ever done," he says, 'I've had friends over when we're playing back. Sometimes there'll be girls running around naked and we're like, 'F@*#, turn the music on!' The feedback about the album has been very positive.'"
::frown::
I don't need to hear continuing quotes from these rock fellars to know they are going to be on a song by AC/DC, "Highway to Hell."
Since subtlety doesn't pay around here, I'll come out and say that my point is that this thread is becoming to the quotes board what the cat scriptures thread has become to the writers board.
: Gary Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:31:56
: James Rondon Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:16:24
Rolling Stone magazine reported that Kid Rock is coming out of his four year hiatus this October, with the release of his new album, "Rock N' Roll Jesus". Here is a quote from RollingStone.com, about the album:
"The album is hot s#@!: a b@#$ *%! rock record with strip-club-ready bangers like 'So Hot', giant AC/DC-style guitars, better singing than ever and only one rap song...
"According to Rock, Jesus has passed the crucial hot-chick test... 'ItÂ’s the best thing IÂ’ve ever done," he says, 'IÂ’ve had friends over when weÂ’re playing back. Sometimes thereÂ’ll be girls running around naked and weÂ’re like, 'F@*#, turn the music on!' The feedback about the album has been very positive.'"
::frown::
I don't need to hear continuing quotes from these rock fellars to know they are going to be on a song by AC/DC, "Highway to Hell."
You may not, but others do. And even more, several need to be awakened, so that they might truly examine what it is they are listening to, and allowing into their minds and hearts.
: James Rondon Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:36:17
: Gary Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:31:56
: James Rondon Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:16:24
Rolling Stone magazine reported that Kid Rock is coming out of his four year hiatus this October, with the release of his new album, "Rock N' Roll Jesus". Here is a quote from RollingStone.com, about the album:
"The album is hot s#@!: a b@#$ *%! rock record with strip-club-ready bangers like 'So Hot', giant AC/DC-style guitars, better singing than ever and only one rap song...
"According to Rock, Jesus has passed the crucial hot-chick test... 'ItÂ’s the best thing IÂ’ve ever done," he says, 'IÂ’ve had friends over when weÂ’re playing back. Sometimes thereÂ’ll be girls running around naked and weÂ’re like, 'F@*#, turn the music on!' The feedback about the album has been very positive.'"
::frown::
I don't need to hear continuing quotes from these rock fellars to know they are going to be on a song by AC/DC, "Highway to Hell."
You may not, but others do. And even more, several need to be awakened, so that they might truly examine what it is they are listening to, and allowing into their minds and hearts.
There is already 13 pages to this thread, do we need more?
: Gary Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:31:56
: James Rondon Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:16:24
Rolling Stone magazine reported that Kid Rock is coming out of his four year hiatus this October, with the release of his new album, "Rock N' Roll Jesus". Here is a quote from RollingStone.com, about the album:
"The album is hot s#@!: a b@#$ *%! rock record with strip-club-ready bangers like 'So Hot', giant AC/DC-style guitars, better singing than ever and only one rap song...
"According to Rock, Jesus has passed the crucial hot-chick test... 'ItÂ’s the best thing IÂ’ve ever done," he says, 'IÂ’ve had friends over when weÂ’re playing back. Sometimes thereÂ’ll be girls running around naked and weÂ’re like, 'F@*#, turn the music on!' The feedback about the album has been very positive.'"
::frown::
I don't need to hear continuing quotes from these rock fellars to know they are going to be on a song by AC/DC, "Highway to Hell."
Should satan get all the great guitar riffs?
: James Rondon Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:36:17
: Gary Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:31:56
: James Rondon Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 17:16:24
Rolling Stone magazine reported that Kid Rock is coming out of his four year hiatus this October, with the release of his new album, "Rock N' Roll Jesus". Here is a quote from RollingStone.com, about the album:
"The album is hot s#@!: a b@#$ *%! rock record with strip-club-ready bangers like 'So Hot', giant AC/DC-style guitars, better singing than ever and only one rap song...
"According to Rock, Jesus has passed the crucial hot-chick test... 'ItÂ’s the best thing IÂ’ve ever done," he says, 'IÂ’ve had friends over when weÂ’re playing back. Sometimes thereÂ’ll be girls running around naked and weÂ’re like, 'F@*#, turn the music on!' The feedback about the album has been very positive.'"
::frown::
I don't need to hear continuing quotes from these rock fellars to know they are going to be on a song by AC/DC, "Highway to Hell."
You may not, but others do. And even more, several need to be awakened, so that they might truly examine what it is they are listening to, and allowing into their minds and hearts.
What about church songs with false doctrine but don't sound blasphemous?
Can someone delete this thread? It's pointless and taking up bandwidth.
::band:: ::dj:: ::playingguitar::
: Big Mike Lewis Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 18:34:59
Can someone delete this thread? It's pointless and taking up bandwidth.
::band:: ::dj:: ::playingguitar::
Do you mean it's convicting? ::eek::
BTW rock n roll is a euphemism for s*x in the backseat of a car.
: janine Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 07:26:40
: CSloan Fri Sep 14, 2007 - 09:44:43
One of Marilyn Manson's t-shirts reads in large red letters — KILL GOD, KILL YOUR MOM & DAD, KILL YOURSELF. In smaller, harder-to-read letters, the shirt reads:
"Warning, the music of Marilyn Manson contains messages that will KILL GOD In your impressionable teenage mind, as a result you could be convinced to KILL YOUR MOM & DAD, And eventually in an act of hopeless Rock and Roll behavior you will KILL YOURSELF. Please burn your records while there is still hope".
I don't get it.
This is EXACTLY what y'all are saying these howwibul evil rock & rollers are trying to do!
Why are you upset if MM has a shirt like that? Don't you just consider it truth in advertising?
You don't find it offensive for a shirt to speak evil of God, and influence people to kill their parents? A shirt like that is outright nasty.
Not to defend MM (who is an irrelevant, blasphemous idiot), but has it occurred to you that the message on the shirt is sarcasm? If you are indeed taking this shirt seriously, it is probably safest if you not only don't listen to rock and roll, but also if you destroy your television, keep away from newspapers and radio and keep your doors locked and your shades drawn at all times.
Also, please stop responding to the e-mails you're getting from Nigeria.
: marc Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 19:31:37
Not to defend MM (who is an irrelevant, blasphemous idiot), but has it occurred to you that the message on the shirt is sarcasm?
I can find no sacarsm in something like that. to suggest to hate God and kill their parents, is not something you can joke about if you have a consciense about right and wrong.
If you are indeed taking this shirt seriously, it is probably safest if you not only don't listen to rock and roll, but also if you destroy your television, keep away from newspapers and radio and keep your doors locked and your shades drawn at all times.
as far as newspapers are concerned, I do read the paper pretty much everyday. But that shows us what is going on in the world. We need to know what is going on.
Who said MM had a conscience? Consider the source. It is his idea of a joke at the expense of those who decry his music, or whatever it is that he does (it occurred to me today that I don't think I have ever heard one of his songs, that my distaste (too mild a word) for him comes completely from the image he presents).
(and suddenly it occurs to me that you didn't get the sarcasm in my post either, from the looks of your last comment. I realize that there are people who just don't get sarcasm. I just wish that they weren't so quick to assume that there is no such thing as sarcasm.)
: marc Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 19:49:41
Who said MM had a conscience?
We live in a world where many others don't have a conscience either. All this satanic influence is effecting them. They don't have morals or values, they don't care what is right or wrong. What is said on those kind of t-shirts, many don't take it to be sarcasm, they think that is cool. The influence that these satanically inspred musicians is having upon people is disastrous. Isaiah5:20 says "Woe unto you that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and ight for darkness." This is what your seeing in the world today. Many secular musicians are displaying evil as beign good, and many are following after that. T-shirts like that should be offensive, not looked upon as sarcasim.
Whether something is offensive or not isn't part of what determines if it is sarcasm. Sarcasm can be either offensive or inoffensive. Offensive sarcasm is likely in the majority.
But absolutely no one takes MM seriously anymore. Even Rose McGowan has moved on.
"I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong."
~John Lennon
"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock and roll or Christianity. "
~John Lennon
"God is a concept by which we measure our pain. "
~John Lennon
Some people were born without a body part, some without a sense of humor, some lacking the sarcasm gene.
Have you fellas got a list of those of us who need to have our eyes opened and get waked-up to the facts about that narsty old secular music industry?
If so, you might start PM-ing us or something, or at least directing your correction at us by name, to save the rest of the world from the tedium this thread can so easily become.
(p.s.
"howwibul" is "horrible", but with a sugarplum sweet coy lisp.)
: janine Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 22:49:20
Some people were born without a body part, some without a sense of humor, some lacking the sarcasm gene.
And some are unwilling to call blasphemy, blasphemy, and evil, evil...
Isaiah 5:20
"We were doing witchcraft, trying to make witchcraft music."
~Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys
"About a year ago I had what I consider a very religious experience. I took LSD, a full dose of LSD, and later, another time, I took a smaller dose. And I learned a lot of things, like patience, understanding. I can't teach you, or tell you, what I learned from taking it. But I consider it a very religious experience."
~Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys
: James Rondon Sat Sep 15, 2007 - 22:56:17
And some are unwilling to call blasphemy, blasphemy, and evil, evil...
That's about it.
"If there's a God in heaven: What's he waiting for: If He can't hear the children: Then he must see the war: But it seems to me: That he leads his lambs: To the slaughter house: And not the promised land"
~Elton John - If There's A God In Heaven (What's He Waiting For?)
"I'm getting bored: Being part of mankind, Think I'll by a forty-four: And give 'em all a sunrise. Yeah, think I'm gonna kill myself, Cause a little suicide..."
~Elton John - I Think I'm Going To Kill Myself
Brian Wilson spreading devilish propaganda? I wonder if those quotes came during his 20 year nap or afterwards?
I had a dream that I was three hundred pounds
and though I was very heavy,
I floated 'til I couldn't see the ground
I floated 'til I could not see the ground
Somebody help me, I couldn't see the ground
Somebody help me, I couldn't see the ground
--Barenaked Ladies, Brian Wilson
"Well, there are certain words and emotions I don't want kids hearing, and I'm not changing because they think it's going to sell better. This is going to sound horrible, but I got 12 million votes doing what I did."
~Clay Aiken - American Idol 2 runner-up
"I'm a father. It isn't just my life any more. I don't want my kid finding bottles in the house or seeing his father completely smashed...
I'm always telling the people in our audience to look out for one another...
I'm very monogamous..."
~Billie Joe Armstrong of the band Green Day
I waited patiently for the Lord
He inclined and heard my cry
He brought me up out of the pit
Out of the miry clay
I will sing, sing a new song
I will sing, sing a new song
How long to sing this song
How long to sing this song
How long...how long...how long...
How long...to sing this song
He set my feet upon a rock
And made my footsteps firm
Many will see
Many will see and fear
I will sing, sing a new song
I will sing, sing a new song
I will sing, sing a new song
I will sing, sing a new song
How long to sing this song
How long to sing this song
How long...how long...how long...
How long...to sing this song
~Bono of U2 - Lyrics from Psalm 40
God will never give you anything you can't handle, so don't stress.
~Kelly Clarkson - American Idol 1 winner
"Drinking bear is easy. Trashing your hotel room is easy. But being a Christian, that's a tough call. That's rebellion."
~Alice Cooper
"A lot of people think Christianity is about always being perfect. It's actually the opposite of that. It's realizing that we're all humans, and that's why God sent his Son to this earth - to save people.
Each person has their own calling on this Earth.
I always prayed that God would give me the wisdom and the vision to do the things on this earth that I was supposed to do to express His life and love and His will.
I am and always will be a sinner. But that's the beautiful thing about Jesus. I'll always try to be a better person in the eyes of God. But I'm not all of a sudden stepping up on a pedestal and saying I'm holier than thou, 'cause I'm not!"
~Billy Ray Cyrus
"I'm not into that whole Satanic thing. It's just something to fall back on if you don't have much imagination. Singing your fiftieth song about having lunch with Satan - I'm not into it. It's silly."
~Kirk Hammett - Lead guitarist of Metallica
"I'm death obsessed. You know, I have death all over my house. I have a stuffed two headed sheep!"
~Kirk Hammett of Metallica
"Twenty-three is old. It's almost 25, which is like almost mid-20s."
~Jessica Simpson
"I was just sitting there with Pagey in front of a fire at Headley Grange. Pagey had written the chords and played them for me. I was holding a paper and pencil, and for some reason, I was in a very bad mood. Then all of a sudden my hand was writing out words. 'There's a lady who's sure, all that glitters is gold, and she's buying a stairway to heaven.' I just sat there and looked at the words and then I almost leaped out of my seat."
~Robert Plant - Led Zeppelin (Stephen Davis, Hammer of the Gods, p. 164)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"He [Robert Plant] often remarked that he could feel his pen being pushed by some higher authority."
(Stephen Davis, Hammer of the Gods, p. 262)
"Do what's right for you, as long as it don't hurt no one
Elvis is part of the Satanic plot too?
: don has a plan Mon Sep 17, 2007 - 12:41:00
Elvis is part of the Satanic plot too?
You might be suprised how deep this runs.
"Elvis was a great fan of occultist Madame Blavatsky. He was so taken with Blavatsky's book The Voice of Silence, which contains the supposed translation of ancient occultic Tibetan incantations, that he "sometimes read from it onstage and was inspired by it to name his own gospel group, Voice"
(Goldman, Elvis, p. 436)Look into Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, and what she teaches.
Yeah. And he ain't dead, neither.
: don has a plan Mon Sep 17, 2007 - 12:41:00
Elvis is part of the Satanic plot too?
Many musicians are being used by Satan as a lure to the youth. After all, the youth look up to these musicians and they have influence on people. Elvis had a lot of influence on people back in those days. Many are involved in occultism but they've done a real job at hiding it so that people would listen to their music and not even know what they are really listening to.
Jesus said..."it's not what goes into a man (listening to anything) that makes him unclean..." Sorry but if your heart is clean then nothing can taint it.
I find that a lot of the artists especially one of those songs you mentioned, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I see faith in your eyes: Never your hear the discouraging lies: I hear faith in your cries: Broken is the promise, betrayal: The healing hand held back by the deepened nail: Follow the god that failed"
-----------------------------------------------are reaching out to find God. They have been let down by the hypocrisy and lies told in the churches and equate God with that.
Some of these guys are just crying out to God for reality.
: seekr Mon Sep 17, 2007 - 16:52:55
Jesus said..."it's not what goes into a man (listening to anything) that makes him unclean..." Sorry but if your heart is clean then nothing can taint it.
Actually, if you read matthew15:11, Jesus says, "Not that which goes into the
mouth of a man defiles a man; but which comes out of the mouth that defiles a man. He was talking about what you eat as the Pharisees were accusing the disciples of eating without washed hands. He was making a point on that is not what defiles a person.
But what you listen to and what you watch on Tv does effect people. The ear gate and the eye gate effects people. 2Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
If we are living for Christ, the old way of living is gone. That includes corrupted music and wicked things seen on TV or at the movies. Ephesians4:24 says to put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. If we have done that, we will not want to listen to music or watch crap on TV and at the theatre that is contrary to righteousness and holiness. Music that degrades God, that glorifies Satan and demons, music that promotes violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and/or is sexually explicit goes against the will of God.
Those who have put on the new man which after God is created in true righteousness would find music like that repulsive. 1Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Listening to music like that is defiling that temple. It goes against the Spirit of God. Our hearts are supposed to have the Spirit of God indwell in.
We need to think on the things that are TRUE, HONEST, JUST, PURE, LOVELY, OF GOOD REPORT, AND THINGS OF VIRTUE AND PRAISE since these are things that is in line with the Holy Spirit.
Philippians 4:8-9 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
Remember the ways of our past life before we came to Jesus Christ can only corrupt us (the Christian). That is why the Word is telling us to think on these things, so we don't allow our old nature to corrupt us. The kind of music we used to listen to, corrupts us. 1Corinthians 15:33 says, "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners." Communicating with wicked, evil music that goes against God, corrupts us. By allowing that wicked music into the ear gate, it get's into our spirit. Since we are temples of the Holy Spirit, this is what we need to have indwell in us, the things of God, things that are TRUE, HONEST, JUST, PURE, LOVELY, OF GOOD REPORT, AND THINGS OF VIRTUE AND PRAISE. Not things that blaaspheme God, that glorify Satan and demons, that promote sexual perversion, violence, drug and alcohol abuse.
: seekr Mon Sep 17, 2007 - 16:52:55
Jesus said..."it's not what goes into a man (listening to anything) that makes him unclean..." Sorry but if your heart is clean then nothing can taint it.
I find that a lot of the artists especially one of those songs you mentioned, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I see faith in your eyes: Never your hear the discouraging lies: I hear faith in your cries: Broken is the promise, betrayal: The healing hand held back by the deepened nail: Follow the god that failed"
-----------------------------------------------are reaching out to find God. They have been let down by the hypocrisy and lies told in the churches and equate God with that.
Some of these guys are just crying out to God for reality.
If you see someone calling Christ a failure like an attempt to find God, maybe you need to get reacquainted with reality.
Not to mention this isn't just some kid crying in the corner, this is a popular rock group with international following; influencing millions of people.
Some have become so embittered by negative experiences in the church, that they have turned it into the enemy, and the world into their friend.
I almost forgot about this thread... ::lalala::
"I will therefore put you in remembrance..." ::wink::
Revolution by The Beatles
The original slow version appears on The White Album. The fast, loud version was released as a single. In the slow version, Lennon says "count me in" as well as "count me out" when referring to violence [destruction]. This gives the song a dual [hidden] meaning.
[From Songfacts.com]
The Beatles were idiots.
Jesus is the God who "failed".
Idiots, worldly devilish idiots, cannot see the deep meaning and poetry and balance and scandal and audacious love behind His decision to walk that road to Golgotha.
Therefore, to them, He failed.
I wonder what John would have to say about that, now?...
: Gary Sun Sep 09, 2007 - 21:49:18
I have some Metallica cd's from when I was a teenager somewhere. Now I will blame them for every bad thing I did.
LOL
What a great idea!!! Yes woo hooo, another scapegoat!!!
Going in a different direction. Interesting note about this song. Bruce Sprigsteen recorded it for his album "The Rising" which dealt directly with the aguish he felt after 9-11. Readint the lyrics it might seem that he wrote it not long after 9-11 but he actually wrote it thirty years ago.
Anyway here it is.
"My City's In Ruins" by Bruce Springsteen
There is a blood red circle
On the cold dark ground
And the rain is falling down
The church door's thrown open
I can hear the organ's song
But the congregation's gone
My city of ruins
My city of ruins
Now the sweet bells of mercy
Drift through the evening trees
Young men on the corner
Like scattered leaves,
The boarded up windows,
The empty streets
While my brother's down on his knees
My city of ruins
My city of ruins
Come on, rise up! Come on, rise up!
Come on, rise up! Come on, rise up!
Come on, rise up! Come on, rise up!
Now's there's tears on the pillow
Darlin' where we slept
And you took my heart when you left
Without your sweet kiss
My soul is lost, my friend
Tell me how do I begin again?
My city's in ruins
My city's in ruins
Now with these hands,
With these hands,
With these hands,
I pray Lord
With these hands,
With these hands,
I pray for the strength, Lord
With these hands,
With these hands,
I pray for the faith, Lord
We pray for your love, Lord
We pray for the lost, Lord
We pray for this world, Lord
We pray for the strength, Lord
We pray for the strength, Lord
Come on
Come on
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
Come on, rise up
"I won't believe in heaven and hell; no saints no sinners no devil as well; no pearly gate no thorny crown; you're always letting us humans down; the wars you bring; the babes you drown; those lost at sea and never found; and it's all the same the whole world round; the hurt I see helps to compound; That Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; is just somebody's unholy hoax; And if you're up there you'd perceive; That my heart's here upon my sleeve; If there's one thing I don't believe in... It's you, dear God."
~Sarah McLachlan reviling the Lord in - Dear God
: James Rondon Thu Oct 04, 2007 - 01:07:11
I wonder what John would have to say about that, now?...
Assuming you mean John Lennon -- I
Imagine {*snort*} he has a lot he could say about it.
: janine Sat Dec 29, 2007 - 09:32:01
: James Rondon Thu Oct 04, 2007 - 01:07:11
I wonder what John would have to say about that, now?...
Assuming you mean John Lennon
Yep, that's who I meant.
: janine Sat Dec 29, 2007 - 09:32:01
I Imagine {*snort*} he has a lot he could say about it.
Indeed... And it's probably something along these lines (http://www.searchgodsword.org/desk/?l=en&query=luke+16%3A23-31§ion=0&translation=kjv&sr=1&Enter=Perform+Search).
Paul Kanter of Jesserson Starship confesses: "Our music is intended to broaden the generation gap, to alienate children from their parents ." (In Tinglehoff Documentation of Expose, p. 4).
George Harrison on 'My Sweet Lord':
I wanted to show that Hallelujah and Hare Krishna are quite the same thing. I did the voices singing 'Hallelujah' and then the change to 'Hare Krishna' so that people would be chanting the maha-mantra-before they knew what was going on! I had been chanting Hare Krishna for a long time, and this song was a simple idea of how to do a Western pop equivalent of a mantra which repeats over and over again the holy names. I don't feel guilty or bad about it; in fact it saved many a heroin addict's life."
"Hallelujah" is a joyous expression the Christians have, but "Hare Krishna" has a mystical side to it. It's more than just glorifying God; it's asking to become His servant. And because of the way the mantra is put together, with the mystic spiritual energy contained in those syllables, it's much closer to God than the way Christianity currently seems to be representing Him. Although Christ in my mind is an absolute yogi, I think many Christian teachers today are misrepresenting Christ. They're supposed to be representing Jesus, but they're not doing it very well. They're letting him down very badly, and that's a big turn off.
My idea in "My Sweet Lord," because it sounded like a "pop song," was to sneak up on them a bit. The point was to have the people not offended by "Hallelujah," and by the time it gets to "Hare Krishna," they're already hooked, and their foot's tapping, and they're already singing along "Hallelujah," to kind of lull them into a sense of false security. And then suddenly it turns into "Hare Krishna," and they will all be singing that before they know what's happened, and they will think, "Hey, I thought I wasn't supposed to like Hare Krishna!"
"Krishna
"Theres an angel on my shoulder, in my hand a sword of gold: Let me wander in your garden. and the seeds of love Ill sow. you know. So the world is spinning faster. are you dizzy when youre stoned: Let the music be your master. will you heed the masters call: Oh... satan and man."
~Led Zeppelin in Houses Of The Holy
Heres also some interesting videos on Led Zeppelin and their backmasking:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7297845092357011464
http://fundamentalbaptistlinks.com/BackMasking/ledzeppelinstairwaytoheavenbackwards.wmv
Oh good grief.
That silliness was proven to be such decades ago.
I read a few of these posts.
What I'm failing to understand is that if this music is so terrible, why are some people taking time to listen to it to pick out the 'bad' words or phrases. I think that you have a choice whether or not to listen to it.
"If you don't like it, change the station."
: jmyrick13 Tue Jan 15, 2008 - 20:38:51
I read a few of these posts.
What I'm failing to understand is that if this music is so terrible, why are some people taking time to listen to it to pick out the 'bad' words or phrases. I think that you have a choice whether or not to listen to it.
"If you don't like it, change the station."
Many of us have been so exposed to this music before our conversion that we know the words by heart. Other are still listening to this music since they were converted, those are the people who need to not only see the evil of these lyrics but understand what they are really saying.
I only listen to showtunes.
: Gary Tue Jan 15, 2008 - 21:03:14
I only listen to showtunes.
Give me some examples...
It's true. He was whistling "I Feel Pretty" as he typed that.
: marc Tue Jan 15, 2008 - 20:15:24
Oh good grief.
That silliness was proven to be such decades ago.
What silliness? And, proven by whom?...
If you have additional information, please post it. I, for one, am interested.
: Charles Sloan Tue Jan 15, 2008 - 20:59:14
Many of us have been so exposed to this music before our conversion that we know the words by heart. Other are still listening to this music since they were converted, those are the people who need to not only see the evil of these lyrics but understand what they are really saying.
I guess what I said may have come across wrong.
I also used to listen to this type of music when I was younger. Now that i have 'found my way' I no longer listen to music that I feel is 'bad'.
I guess that I would feel that some people are beating a dead horse when it comes to this subject. I also feel that the people that listen to this music and KNOW what it is have basically sealed their own fate. The people that saw the error of their ways and have steered away from this have taken a big step in trying to repair the damage that they have caused themselves.
: James Rondon Tue Jan 15, 2008 - 21:56:11
: marc Tue Jan 15, 2008 - 20:15:24
Oh good grief.
That silliness was proven to be such decades ago.
What silliness? And, proven by whom?...
If you have additional information, please post it. I, for one, am interested.
The concept of back-masking has been disproven to the point that it's not even a question anymore. I don't have the time at the moment, but there are old threads. If you record something backward, it sounds like gobbledegook when played forward, not like an integral part of a song.
I woudl guess that a google search will turn up the info.
These supposed backward messages tend to go into the "finding patterns where none exist" category.
fwiw, one of my favorite groups, ELO, after being accused of back-masking included a few actual backward messages on their records to show what it would sound like if this was actually done.
: marc Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 09:20:40The concept of back-masking has been disproven to the point that it's not even a question anymore.
I've never heard of this "proof", I would like to see it since I have found entire sites devoted to revealing intentional and unintentional backmasking.
http://www.backmaskonline.com/
"I am the bullgod...I am free...and I feed on all that is forsaken... I wanna flood the world with my twisted thoughts... Cause I'm the bullgod...you understand: The illegitimate son of man: The T-O-P to the D-O-G: Or the P-O-T to the G-O-D... Uh I'm gonna get you: I see through you: I'm gonna get you: I see through you"
~Kid Rock with his ode to the golden calf in 'I Am The Bullgod'
"God d*mn the way my pain swells: I spend all my time killin' brain cells: The light shed on me was a dim gleam: So I live life in a bottle of jim beam: Droppin' dots or sniffin' that blow"
~Kid Rock influences millions of kids in 'Killin Brain Cells'
"Role model, your mother-[expletive] H-E-R-O... Strapped with A-K's... Devil without a cause... The cool Kid's comin up to call you out, And I'm down with The Devil"
~Kid Rock makes a fine Satanic role model in 'Devil Without A Cause'
"Mama's too sweepy to hear you screamin in her ear (ma-maa!): That's why you can't get her to wake, but don't worry: Da-da made a nice bed for mommy at the bottom of the lake: Here, you wanna help da-da tie a rope around this rock? (yeah!): We'll tie it to her footsie then we'll roll her off the dock: Ready now, here we go, on the count of free.. One.. two.. free.. WHEEEEEE! (whoooooshhhhh) There goes mama, spwashin in the wa-ta: No more fightin wit dad, no more restraining order: No more step-da-da, no more new brother: Blow her kisses bye-bye, tell mama you love her (mommy!)"
~Marshall Mathers (Eminem) getting his baby daughter to help dispose of his wifes body in '97 Bonnie and Clyde'.
Nice...
"Cause I never knew I, knew I would get this big. I never knew I, knew I'd affect this kid. I never knew I'd, get him to slit his wrist. I never knew I'd, get him to hit this b*tch"
~Marshall Mathers (Eminem) mocks the influence he has on his listeners in 'Who Knew'
"I take each individual degenerates head and reach into it, just to see if he's influenced by me, if he listens to music, and if he feeds into this sh**, he's an innocent victim, and becomes a puppet on the string..."
~Marshall Mathers (Eminem) describes his motives in 'I'm Back'
"Follow me and do exactly what the song says: smoke weed, take pills, drop outta school, kill people and drink"
~Marshall Mathers (Eminem) calls the youth to follow him in his song 'Role Model'.
"I take seven [kids] from [columbine] and stand 'em all in line. Add an AK-47, a revolver, a nine, a Mac-11 and this ought to solve this problem of mine. And that's a whole school of bullies shot up all of the time, 'cause I'm Shady..."
~Marshall Mathers (Eminem) suggests killing more students at Columbine in 'I'm Back'.
: Charles Sloan Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 10:10:58
"Mama's too sweepy to hear you screamin in her ear (ma-maa!): That's why you can't get her to wake, but don't worry: Da-da made a nice bed for mommy at the bottom of the lake: Here, you wanna help da-da tie a rope around this rock? (yeah!): We'll tie it to her footsie then we'll roll her off the dock: Ready now, here we go, on the count of free.. One.. two.. free.. WHEEEEEE! (whoooooshhhhh) There goes mama, spwashin in the wa-ta: No more fightin wit dad, no more restraining order: No more step-da-da, no more new brother: Blow her kisses bye-bye, tell mama you love her (mommy!)"
~Marshall Mathers (Eminem) getting his baby daughter to help dispose of his wifes body in '97 Bonnie and Clyde'.
Nice...
I had no idea there was a song out there like this one. Scary thing is that there are two missing women in the area where I live, and both of their respective husbands are suspects in their disappearances. Both women are believed to possibly be in the water someplace, and have yet to be found. Makes me wonder if their husbands weren't fans of Eminem. ::pondering:: That is so sick that free speech is being abused in this manner with downright trashy music!
: Charles Sloan Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 09:27:16
: marc Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 09:20:40The concept of back-masking has been disproven to the point that it's not even a question anymore.
I've never heard of this "proof", I would like to see it since I have found entire sites devoted to revealing intentional and unintentional backmasking.
http://www.backmaskonline.com/
You seriously need to learn to judge the credibility of your sources.
: marc Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 15:20:43
: Charles Sloan Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 09:27:16
: marc Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 09:20:40The concept of back-masking has been disproven to the point that it's not even a question anymore.
I've never heard of this "proof", I would like to see it since I have found entire sites devoted to revealing intentional and unintentional backmasking.
http://www.backmaskonline.com/
You seriously need to learn to judge the credibility of your sources.
This isn't the only source, but please I adjure you to show me this credible source that disproves backmasking. I searched the web and found nothing, so I wonder to the credibility of your claim.
Unless you just are saying the skeptics are right, just because they say they are.
Bob Larson claimed that backmasking was placed on the records by demons. It can't be created by normal means without sounding like nonsense (as had been proven by ELO and others), and he admitted this, thus coming up with his theory. Do you agree?
: marc Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 15:26:28
Bob Larson claimed that backmasking was placed on the records by demons. It can't be created by normal means without sounding like nonsense (as had been proven by ELO and others), and he admitted this, thus coming up with his theory. Do you agree?
We are not discussing Bob Larson or his claims. You said the concept of backmasking has been disproven, I am simply asking for some evidence or some research that supports that the messages that are found on thousands of albums aren't really there.
The explanation is simply that we hear what we want to hear. "Stairway to Heaven" is a good example--There are probably 20 versions of what the message is supposed to be.
My point is that what you're saying is impossible without supernatural influence. It's absolutely silly to suggest that something can be intentionally done to make sense forward and backard.
Again, google and separate the wheat from the chaff. I don't have time now and likely won't for a while. Just use common sense.
Sorry if I'm being grouchy on this. I've been sounding grouchy on the board particularly the last couple of days, I think.
: marc Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 16:49:09My point is that what you're saying is impossible without supernatural influence.
When did I ever say this?
I didn't say that you said it was impossible; I said that it is impossible.
You're simply interpreting auditory ink blots.
Here's what wiki has to say about backmasking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backmasking)...
"A bunch of little kids wanna swear just like me: and run around screamin, "I don't care, just bite me" (nah nah): I think I was put here to annoy the world: and destroy your little 4-year-old boy or girl..."
~Marshall Mathers (Eminem) reveals his ambition in life in his self titled song 'Marshall Mathers'.
"Heard a lot of talk about this Jesus: A man of love, and a man of strength: But what a man was two thousand years ago: means nothing at all to me today"
~Live denies Christ in their song 'Operation Spirit (The Tyranny Of Tradition)'
What this says to me is simply there are alot of hurt people out there that need our prayers, not our condemnation. God can handle the rest.
: memmy Fri Jan 18, 2008 - 12:39:02
What this says to me is simply there are alot of hurt people out there that need our prayers, not our condemnation. God can handle the rest.
That maybe true, but I wouldn't be buying any of these albums for your kids in the meantime.
I don't buy albums for memmy's kids, either.
btw, Live's Buddhist.
: marc Fri Jan 18, 2008 - 14:38:16btw, Live's Buddhist.
As if this is somehow a defense for blasphemy...
Sorry. I forgot and inserted some context into the discussion. I long ago learned that this wasn't welcome; carry on....
It's to stop people from carrying on that these two guys are carrying on this thread.
: James Rondon Thu Jan 17, 2008 - 00:19:46
Here's what wiki has to say about backmasking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backmasking)...
Be sure to read the whole article. From the "Skepticism" section near the end:
Skeptic Michael Shermer claims that the emergence of the Paul is dead phenomenon, including the alleged message at the end of "I'm So Tired", was caused by faulty perception of a pattern. Shermer argues that the human brain evolved with a strong pattern recognition ability that was necessary to process the large amount of noise in man's environment, but that today this ability leads to false positives.[93] Stanford University psychology professor Brian Wandell postulates that the observance of backward messages is a mistake arising from this pattern recognition facility, and argues that subliminal persuasion theories are "bizarre" and "implausible."[37] Rumors of backmasking in popular music have been described as auditory pareidolia.[94] James Walker, president of Christian research group Watchman Fellowship, states that "You could take a Christian hymn, and if you played it backwards long enough at different speeds, you could make that hymn say anything you want to"; Led Zeppelin publicist BP Fallon concurs, saying that "Play anything backwards, and you'll find something." Eric Borgos of audio reversal website talkbackwards.com[95] states that "Mathematically, if you listen long enough, eventually you'll find a pattern",[23] while Jeff Milner of popular backmasking site jeffmilner.com[80] recounts, "Most people, when I show them the site, say that they're not able to hear anything, until, of course, I show them the reverse lyrics."[96]
Audio engineer Evan Olcott claims that messages by artists including Queen and Led Zeppelin are coincidental phonetic reversals, in which the spoken or sung phonemes form new combinations of words when listened to backwards.[11] Olcott states that "Actually engineering or planning a phonetic reversal is next to impossible, and even more difficult when trying to design it with words that fit into a song."[24]
In 1985, psychologists John Vokey and J. Don Read conducted a study using Psalm 23 from the Bible, Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust", and other sound passages made up for the experiment. Vokey and Read concluded that if backmasking does exist, it is ineffective. Participants had trouble noticing backmasked phrases when the samples were played forwards, were unable to judge the types of messages (Christian, Satanic, or commercial), and were not led to behave in a certain way as a result of being exposed to the backmasked phrases. Vokey concluded that "we could find no effect of the meaning of engineered, backward messages on listeners' behaviour, either consciously or unconsciously."[97] Similar results to Vokey and Read's were obtained by D. Averill in 1982.[98] A 1988 experiment by T.E. Moore found "no evidence that listeners were influenced, consciously or unconsciously, by the content of the backward messages."[32] In 1992, an experiment found that exposure to backward messages did not lead to significant changes in attitude.[99] Psychology professor Mark D. Allen says that "delivering subliminal messages via backward masking is totally and ridiculously impossible".[100]
The finding of backward Satanic messages has been explained as caused by the observer-expectancy effect. The Skeptic's Dictionary states that "you probably won't hear [backmasked] messages until somebody first points them out to you. Perception is influenced by expectation and expectation is affected by what others prime you for."[101] In 1984, S. B. Thorne and P. Himelstein found that "when vague and unfamiliar stimuli are presented, [test subjects] are highly likely to accept suggestions, particularly when the suggestions are presented by someone with prestige and authority."[102] Vokey and Read concluded from their 1985 experiment that "the apparent presence of backward messages in popular music is a function more of active construction on the part of the perceiver than of the existence of the messages themselves."[21]
Nevertheless,
if you noticed before the part you emboldened from the Skeptic an audio engineer even admits to messages being these, however coincidental.
"Audio engineer Evan Olcott claims that messages by artists including Queen and Led Zeppelin are coincidental phonetic reversals, in which the spoken or sung phonemes form new combinations of words when listened to backwards."
So regardless if some want to discredit it or make-believe they're not there, the majority are aware of the messages and will admit to their existance.
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: marc Wed Jan 16, 2008 - 16:49:09
The explanation is simply that we hear what we want to hear. "Stairway to Heaven" is a good example--There are probably 20 versions of what the message is supposed to be.
My point is that what you're saying is impossible without supernatural influence. It's absolutely silly to suggest that something can be intentionally done to make sense forward and backward.
Again, google and separate the wheat from the chaff. I don't have time now and likely won't for a while. Just use common sense.
Last fall on another forum, someone brought up the old backmasking thing... (I thought that idea had died in the '70's, yeah, that whole backmasking idea was flying around back when I was a teen too!)
If you dare, check out this page on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stairway+to+heaven+backwards&search_type=) You can listen to it backwards. Try doing it
without looking at the supposed backwards lyrics and see what you hear. If you look at the supposed lyrics, and you really try, you might hear something, but I doubt you can hear those words without having it fed to you.
That being said, I have heard that the writer of the song said the song is really meaningless and 'wrote itself'... I have no doubt there could be demonic influences involved.
What do you think of this one. It's a real doozie. The guy lives a sinful life and ends up going to heaven. Go figure.
Deathbed
I can smell the death on the sheets
Covering me
I can't believe
This is the end
But this is my deathbed
I lie here alone
If I close my eyes tonight
I know I'll be home
The year was nineteen forty one
I was _eight years old and far far too young
To know that the stories
Of battles and glory
Was a tale a kind mother made up for her son
You see, Dad was a traveling preacher
Teaching the words of The Teacher
But Mother had sworn
He went off to the war
And died there with honor somewhere on a beach there
But he left once to never return
Which taught me that I should unlearn
Whatever I thought a father should be
I abandoned that thought like he abandoned me
By '47 I was fourteen
I'd acquired a taste for liquor and nicotine
I smoked until
I threw up yet I still
Lit em' up for thirty more years like a machine
So right there you have it
That one filthy habit
Is what got me where I am today
I can smell the death on the sheets
Covering me
I can't believe
This is the end
I can hear those sad memories
Still haunting me
So many things
I'd do again
But this is my deathbed
I lie here alone
If I close my eyes tonight
I know I'll be home
Got married on my twenty first
8 months before my wife would give birth
Its easier to be sure you love someone
When her father inquires with the barrel of a gun
The union was far from harmonious
No two people could have been more alone than us
The years would go by and she'd love someone else
And I'd realized I hadn't been loved yet myself
From there its your typical spiel
Yeah if life was a highway I was drunk at the wheel
I was helping the lose ends all fall apart
Yeah I swear I was destined to fail and fail from the start
I bowled about 6 times a week
The bottle of Beam kept the memories from me
Our marriage had taken a 7 ten split
And along with my pride the ex-wife took the kids
I was so scared of Jesus
But he sought me out
Like the cancer in my lungs that is killing me now
And I've given up hope
On the days I have left
But I cling to the hope
Of my life in the next
Then Jesus showed up
Said "Before we go up
I thought we might reminisce
See one night in your life
When you turned out the lights
You asked for and prayed for my forgiveness
You cried, wolf
The tears they soaked your fur
The blood dripped from your fangs
You said 'What have I done?'
You loved that lamb
With every sinful bone
And there you wept alone
Your heart was so contrite
You said 'Jesus please forgive me of my crimes
Sanctify this withered heart of mine
Stay with me until my life is through
And on that day, please take me home with you'"
I can smell the death on the sheets
Covering me
I can't believe
This is the end
I can hear you whisper to me
Its time to leave
You'll never be
Lonely again
But this was my deathbed
I died there alone
When I closed my eyes tonight
You carried me home
I am the way
Follow me and take my hand
And I am the truth
Embrace me and you'll understand
I am the life
Through me you'll live again
For I am love
I am love
I am love
Relient K
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 16:33:19
What do you think of this one. It's a real doozie. The guy lives a sinful life and ends up going to heaven. Go figure.
I think the lyrics are beautifully poignant.
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 16:33:19
What do you think of this one. It's a real doozie. The guy lives a sinful life and ends up going to heaven. Go figure.
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: Charles Sloan Thu May 08, 2008 - 20:09:25
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 16:33:19
What do you think of this one. It's a real doozie. The guy lives a sinful life and ends up going to heaven. Go figure.
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:) I love ya brother... I also love that song. I think it's something like 11 minutes long.
Matt Thiessen sings the part of the dying man. Jon Foreman sings the part of Jesus at the end.
It's on an album called
five score and seven years agoI don't listen to most of the bands you've quoted in this thread.
Do you really expect secular bands to have wholesome lyrics?
If you want to get some good material for bashing "Christian" bands, try reading
Body Piercing Saved My Life. I haven't read it yet, but apparently a guy from Rolling Stone Magazine went on a mission to try to dig up some dirt on different musicians who were targeting Christian audiences. He got them to admit to stuff under false pretenses.
It's full of dirt... like Amy Grant sunbathes in the nude. And some musicians do drugs etc, etc...
Okay maybe it would have been better to put this on the Christian Rock thread.
But I was just quoting lyrics. Isn't what this thread is about!
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 21:43:44
: Charles Sloan Thu May 08, 2008 - 20:09:25
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 16:33:19
What do you think of this one. It's a real doozie. The guy lives a sinful life and ends up going to heaven. Go figure.
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:) I love ya brother... I also love that song. I think it's something like 11 minutes long.
Matt Thiessen sings the part of the dying man. Jon Foreman sings the part of Jesus at the end.
It's on an album called five score and seven years ago
I don't listen to most of the bands you've quoted in this thread.
Do you really expect secular bands to have wholesome lyrics?
If you want to get some good material for bashing "Christian" bands, try reading Body Piercing Saved My Life. I haven't read it yet, but apparently a guy from Rolling Stone Magazine went on a mission to try to dig up some dirt on different musicians who were targeting Christian audiences. He got them to admit to stuff under false pretenses.
It's full of dirt... like Amy Grant sunbathes in the nude. And some musicians do drugs etc, etc...
Okay maybe it would have been better to put this on the Christian Rock thread.
But I was just quoting lyrics. Isn't what this thread is about!
The dirty secret is most of Christian rock isn't very aesthetically pleasing.
: Gary Thu May 08, 2008 - 21:45:44
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 21:43:44
: Charles Sloan Thu May 08, 2008 - 20:09:25
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 16:33:19
What do you think of this one. It's a real doozie. The guy lives a sinful life and ends up going to heaven. Go figure.
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:) I love ya brother... I also love that song. I think it's something like 11 minutes long.
Matt Thiessen sings the part of the dying man. Jon Foreman sings the part of Jesus at the end.
It's on an album called five score and seven years ago
I don't listen to most of the bands you've quoted in this thread.
Do you really expect secular bands to have wholesome lyrics?
If you want to get some good material for bashing "Christian" bands, try reading Body Piercing Saved My Life. I haven't read it yet, but apparently a guy from Rolling Stone Magazine went on a mission to try to dig up some dirt on different musicians who were targeting Christian audiences. He got them to admit to stuff under false pretenses.
It's full of dirt... like Amy Grant sunbathes in the nude. And some musicians do drugs etc, etc...
Okay maybe it would have been better to put this on the Christian Rock thread.
But I was just quoting lyrics. Isn't what this thread is about!
The dirty secret is most of Christian rock isn't very aesthetically pleasing.
Yeah, I Seem to have read that somewhere before.
I did read somewhere that you like a Canadian band called Downhere.
If you gave me sometime, I could probably come up with some other stuff you'd like.
There are some good bands that you wouldn't have to worry about the influence of the lyrics on your kids, that is, if you have any.
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 22:12:20
: Gary Thu May 08, 2008 - 21:45:44
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 21:43:44
: Charles Sloan Thu May 08, 2008 - 20:09:25
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 16:33:19
What do you think of this one. It's a real doozie. The guy lives a sinful life and ends up going to heaven. Go figure.
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:) I love ya brother... I also love that song. I think it's something like 11 minutes long.
Matt Thiessen sings the part of the dying man. Jon Foreman sings the part of Jesus at the end.
It's on an album called five score and seven years ago
I don't listen to most of the bands you've quoted in this thread.
Do you really expect secular bands to have wholesome lyrics?
If you want to get some good material for bashing "Christian" bands, try reading Body Piercing Saved My Life. I haven't read it yet, but apparently a guy from Rolling Stone Magazine went on a mission to try to dig up some dirt on different musicians who were targeting Christian audiences. He got them to admit to stuff under false pretenses.
It's full of dirt... like Amy Grant sunbathes in the nude. And some musicians do drugs etc, etc...
Okay maybe it would have been better to put this on the Christian Rock thread.
But I was just quoting lyrics. Isn't what this thread is about!
The dirty secret is most of Christian rock isn't very aesthetically pleasing.
Yeah, I Seem to have read that somewhere before.
I did read somewhere that you like a Canadian band called Downhere.
If you gave me sometime, I could probably come up with some other stuff you'd like.
There are some good bands that you wouldn't have to worry about the influence of the lyrics on your kids, that is, if you have any.
I have kids. They are little. When they are in the car we listen to one of the Christian stations.
I just believe some of the artists shouldn't be allowed on the radio as they can't sing and the songs aren't too good. What if Cartoons got saved, etc.
Yeah, That cartoon song is only for when your in a really silly mood. It could get very annoying!
Don't you like Audio Adrenaline or Jars of Clay, at least some of their stuff?
I saw Audio Adrenaline in Concert with MercyMe in NYC last year, (before AA called it quits) It was fantastic.
I can see you being very annoyed by groups like Hawk Nelson, and Eleventy Seven.
I like Seventh Day Slumber and some of the newer Skillet stuff, but then again, I'm old enough to be your mama... and I'm female, so that probably has some influence on our different tastes.
Sorry Charles for hijacking your thread... but it's really Gary's fault now. ;)
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 21:43:44
: Charles Sloan Thu May 08, 2008 - 20:09:25
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 16:33:19
What do you think of this one. It's a real doozie. The guy lives a sinful life and ends up going to heaven. Go figure.
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:) I love ya brother... I also love that song. I think it's something like 11 minutes long.
Matt Thiessen sings the part of the dying man. Jon Foreman sings the part of Jesus at the end.
It's on an album called five score and seven years ago
I don't listen to most of the bands you've quoted in this thread.
Do you really expect secular bands to have wholesome lyrics?
This thread is not about "unwholesome lyrics", but blasphemy (see the title of the thread). Even so, considering the fact that most secular songs have unwholesome and/or blasphemous lyrics, the question then arises: should Christians listen to such music?
What kind of music are you talking about?
: Charles Sloan Thu May 08, 2008 - 23:25:54
What kind of music are you talking about?
She's talking about music that Gary says is not aesthetically pleasing.
I agree with her. We as parents can and should have be aware of the lyrics of the music that our kids and their friends listen to. What is the message they are getting?
My daughter plays guitar and is passionate about it. I love that the music she chooses to sing/play is music that is positive and uplifting. Of course as a teen she also likes to listen to stuff just for fun too. Fortunately many Christian artists have a mix of music. Not all of their songs praise and worship songs, but for the most part they reflect the values I want to instill in her. :)
: James Rondon Thu May 08, 2008 - 22:47:14
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 21:43:44
: Charles Sloan Thu May 08, 2008 - 20:09:25
: w8ing4daybreak Thu May 08, 2008 - 16:33:19
What do you think of this one. It's a real doozie. The guy lives a sinful life and ends up going to heaven. Go figure.
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:) I love ya brother... I also love that song. I think it's something like 11 minutes long.
Matt Thiessen sings the part of the dying man. Jon Foreman sings the part of Jesus at the end.
It's on an album called five score and seven years ago
I don't listen to most of the bands you've quoted in this thread.
Do you really expect secular bands to have wholesome lyrics?
This thread is not about "unwholesome lyrics", but blasphemy (see the title of the thread). Even so, considering the fact that most secular songs have unwholesome and/or blasphemous lyrics, the question then arises: should Christians listen to such music?
I do think we need to be aware of what subtle, and not so subtle messages we are feeding into our subconscious. I know peeps who say they are just listening to the music, not the lyrics. I'd rather not be judgemental. I know I've listened to aesthetically pleasing music that had a message contrary to what I believe. I still do on occasion.
It just reinforces for me how lost the world is.
We were meant to live for so much more.
We want more than this world's got to offer.
Everything inside screams for second life.
~ Jon Foreman~
Sorry, I got distracted even though it's not a particularly aesthetially pleasing song.
It's on the radio now.
: w8ing4daybreak Fri May 09, 2008 - 06:44:29
: Charles Sloan Thu May 08, 2008 - 23:25:54
What kind of music are you talking about?
She's talking about music that Gary says is not aesthetically pleasing.
I agree with her. We as parents can and should have be aware of the lyrics of the music that our kids and their friends listen to. What is the message they are getting?
My daughter plays guitar and is passionate about it. I love that the music she chooses to sing/play is music that is positive and uplifting. Of course as a teen she also likes to listen to stuff just for fun too. Fortunately many Christian artists have a mix of music. Not all of their songs praise and worship songs, but for the most part they reflect the values I want to instill in her. :)
To be fair I said "most."
Yeah, but you knocked the Cartoon Song, and that's just crazy. ::rolling::