The Reason God raised up the 7th Day Adventist movement was to restore the true Gospel message (Revelation 14:6-12), for these last days of earth's history...just before Jesus Christ returns to this earth.
: 3AM Sun Apr 05, 2009 - 10:37:22
The Reason God raised up the 7th Day Adventist movement was to restore the true Gospel message (Revelation 14:6-12), for these last days of earth's history...just before Jesus Christ returns to this earth.
Thus the Seventh-Day Adventist church emerged as a rebuke to the churches of the Reformation who had not continued growing with the light given them, and this remnant who formed the church made the Sabbath a cornerstone of the name 'Seventh-Day' as well as Christ-centered as the 'Adventist' part of the name shows. Then this remnant not only follow the commandments but have the testimony of Christ which is the Spirit of prophecy given to them through what we can clearly see in the message that Ellen White gives in her writings. So corporately the church has all the attributes that the remnant people would have, and that a remnant people would want to be a part of.
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: Hobie Sat Jun 27, 2009 - 06:29:29
: 3AM Sun Apr 05, 2009 - 10:37:22
The Reason God raised up the 7th Day Adventist movement was to restore the true Gospel message (Revelation 14:6-12), for these last days of earth's history...just before Jesus Christ returns to this earth.
Thus the Seventh-Day Adventist church emerged as a rebuke to the churches of the Reformation who had not continued growing with the light given them, and this remnant who formed the church made the Sabbath a cornerstone of the name 'Seventh-Day' as well as Christ-centered as the 'Adventist' part of the name shows. Then this remnant not only follow the commandments but have the testimony of Christ which is the Spirit of prophecy given to them through what we can clearly see in the message that Ellen White gives in her writings. So corporately the church has all the attributes that the remnant people would have, and that a remnant people would want to be a part of.
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The theory of rebuking other churches through the name 'Seventh-day Adventist' is the brain child of Ellen White as is the fallacy of the SDA church being the continuation of the reformation. SDA's, at the very least, do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide
According to their own interpretation of the criteria, as long as SDA's maintain an official pro-choice abortion stance they have no legitimate claim to any sort of remnant status
Why would I want to be part of any organization that makes bogus claims of keeping the 10 commandments when they actively support the breaking of the 6th commandment through the support of Abortion?
Outside of the SDA interpretation of the remnant, there is absolutely no Biblical support for identification of the 'remnant' with a corporately organized religious denomination.
The testimony of Jesus is the ESSENCE of all prophecy. This text in Revelation is not describing the Gift of the Spirit – prophecy.
: current occupant Sat Jun 27, 2009 - 19:07:49
The theory of rebuking other churches through the name Seventh-day Adventist is the brain child of Ellen White as is the fallacy of the SDA church being the continuation of the reformation. SDAs, at the very least, do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide
I see that you have much to learn about God !!
: 3AM Sat Jun 27, 2009 - 19:31:13
: current occupant Sat Jun 27, 2009 - 19:07:49
The theory of rebuking other churches through the name 'Seventh-day Adventist' is the brain child of Ellen White as is the fallacy of the SDA church being the continuation of the reformation. SDA's, at the very least, do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide
I see that you have much to learn about God !!
If that's all you got for an answer, then you have much to learn about sharing God.
surely you can do better!!
: current occupant Sat Jun 27, 2009 - 21:29:19
: 3AM Sat Jun 27, 2009 - 19:31:13
: current occupant Sat Jun 27, 2009 - 19:07:49
The theory of rebuking other churches through the name 'Seventh-day Adventist' is the brain child of Ellen White as is the fallacy of the SDA church being the continuation of the reformation. SDA's, at the very least, do not subscribe to Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide
I see that you have much to learn about God !!
If that's all you got for an answer, then you have much to learn about sharing God.
surely you can do better!!
yeah, i can do better. if i had a nickel for every freaking church that called itself the true church, id be a flippin millionaire
: 3AM Sun Apr 05, 2009 - 10:37:22
The Reason God raised up the 7th Day Adventist movement was to restore the true Gospel message (Revelation 14:6-12), for these last days of earth's history...just before Jesus Christ returns to this earth.
The true gospel message that Christ's death, burial, and resurrection was not sufficient? That would be a FALSE gospel.
: Gary Sun Jun 28, 2009 - 00:09:07
: 3AM Sun Apr 05, 2009 - 10:37:22
The Reason God raised up the 7th Day Adventist movement was to restore the true Gospel message (Revelation 14:6-12), for these last days of earth's history...just before Jesus Christ returns to this earth.
The true gospel message that Christ's death, burial, and resurrection was not sufficient? That would be a FALSE gospel.
I wonder how many SDA's can quote the Bible text, and tell us where it is found, that states the original, complete gospel message in its simplest form?
: 3AM Sun Apr 05, 2009 - 10:37:22
The Reason God raised up the 7th Day Adventist movement was to restore the true Gospel message (Revelation 14:6-12), for these last days of earth's history...just before Jesus Christ returns to this earth.
: Gary Sun Jun 28, 2009 - 00:09:07
The true gospel message that Christ's death, burial, and resurrection was not sufficient? That would be a FALSE gospel.
WHY do you ignore what Revelation says ?
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him;
1.) for the hour of his judgment is come: and
2.) worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
God's Gospel message
includes....when God's Judgment Day would start....and, the 7th day sabbath.
Read the context.
the sabboth was made FOR man, not man For the sabboth......jesus
3AM - The Reason God raised up the 7th Day Adventist movement was to restore the true Gospel message
larry2 - 1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? I reckon we could add "I am of 7th Day Adventism" to that list. Are you sure it was God who brought this about?
In Jesus' name - larry2
: larry2 Sun Jun 28, 2009 - 18:07:42
3AM - The Reason God raised up the 7th Day Adventist movement was to restore the true Gospel message
larry2 - 1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? I reckon we could add "I am of 7th Day Adventism" to that list. Are you sure it was God who brought this about?
In Jesus' name - larry2
ooohhhh, that was low brother larry. are they sure it was god who started the SDA. thats cold. anyway, the mormons say they have they restored church. restored ::pondering:: restore the gospel? what happened to the gospel that it needs restoring? did aliens come and take all the bibles off the earth? what, there was no gospel till the SDA came along? hey, i got a great idea. let ellen and joe smith duke it out in a cage match. ill join the church of the winner.
: wayne Sun Jun 28, 2009 - 18:29:31
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ooohhhh, that was low brother larry. are they sure it was god who started the SDA. thats cold.
You should merely forgive Larry.
anyway, the mormons say they have they restored church. restored ::pondering:: restore the gospel?
The Bible has revealed the true church of God.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Mormons do not keep the Commandments of God, nor do they teach anyone to keep them, as Jesus Christ told Christians to do.
what happened to the gospel that it needs restoring?
The Gospel message includes God's Judgment day, as well as observing the 7th day sabbath.
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him;
for the hour of his judgment is come: and
worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
3AM - Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
larry2 - Dear 3AM, do you keep all the commandments? Could you identify with those carnal churches mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3:4? If not, why?
Thanks in Jesus' name - larry2
3AM - Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
: larry2 Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 15:54:34
larry2 - Dear 3AM, do you keep all the commandments?
I'm not the example you are suppose to follow....Jesus Christ is, and HE kept all God's Commandments....and, told ALL Christians to do the same.
Could you identify with those carnal churches mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3:4? If not, why?
Thanks in Jesus' name - larry2
[/size]1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal ?
Explain the point you are trying to make ?
3AM - I'm not the example you are suppose to follow....Jesus Christ is, and HE kept all God's Commandments....and, told ALL Christians to do the same.
larry2 - That's odd, I thought we were to follow Paul as he followed Christ (1 Cor. 11:1), and that God fulfilled the righteousness of the law in us (not by us) who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).
I wrote - 1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal ?
3AM - Explain the point you are trying to make ?
larry2 - It appears that you, like the Catholic Church are trying to elevate SDA's status to be the gateway to heaven, and yet Paul says that type of separation is carnal.
I asked if you kept all the commandments, since you are saying we should, or face judgment.
3AM - I'm not the example you are suppose to follow....Jesus Christ is, and HE kept all God's Commandments....and, told ALL Christians to do the same.
larry2 - I didn't think that was that hard a question. If you base your salvation upon keeping all the commandments, or even being considered as being a Christian, I would think you had that covered. I'd sure hate to think of you at the great white throne judgment wondering if your name was in the book of life, or if it had been erased.
Just my thoughts in Jesus' name - larry2
: larry2 Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 16:31:40
larry2 - I didn't think that was that hard a question. If you base your salvation upon keeping all the commandments, or even being considered as being a Christian, I would think you had that covered.
Every Christian will be tested, as to whether they will obey God, or not.
God is not taking anyone, into heaven who disobeys, what HE says to do.
I'd sure hate to think of you at the great white throne judgment wondering if your name was in the book of life, or if it had been erased.
When Jesus comes again...veryones fate has already been decided.
In other words, Judgment is over with, before Jesus Christ can come again......that fact is in the BIble.
: 3AM Fri Jul 03, 2009 - 15:26:21
: larry2 Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 16:31:40
larry2 - I didn't think that was that hard a question. If you base your salvation upon keeping all the commandments, or even being considered as being a Christian, I would think you had that covered.
Every Christian will be tested, as to whether they will obey God, or not.
God is not taking anyone, into heaven who disobeys, what HE says to do.
I'd sure hate to think of you at the great white throne judgment wondering if your name was in the book of life, or if it had been erased.
When Jesus comes again...veryones fate has already been decided.
In other words, Judgment is over with, before Jesus Christ can come again......that fact is in the BIble.
Dear 3AM, I'm sorry you have no idea as to your security in Christ. I'm also sorry that you cannot say you follow the law as you want others to do, and that you continue to sidestep direct questions about it, but that is between you and God.
May God bless you also, and convince you in your own heart as to God's perfect will for your life; God does receive those that love him and He loves you 3AM, as do I in Jesus' name - larry2
: larry2 Fri Jul 03, 2009 - 15:56:04
Dear 3AM, I'm sorry you have no idea as to your security in Christ. I'm also sorry that you cannot say you follow the law as you want others to do, and that you continue to sidestep direct questions about it, but that is between you and God.
What is it that makes people disobey God...yet, still think that God will let them into heaven ?
It this what is called: the mystery of iniquity ?
: 3AM Fri Jul 03, 2009 - 16:22:46
: larry2 Fri Jul 03, 2009 - 15:56:04
Dear 3AM, I'm sorry you have no idea as to your security in Christ. I'm also sorry that you cannot say you follow the law as you want others to do, and that you continue to sidestep direct questions about it, but that is between you and God.
What is it that makes people disobey God...yet, still think that God will let them into heaven ?
It this what is called: the mystery of iniquity ?
come on man. the SDA is just as useless as the LDS or the catholics. come out of her and follow the lamb
: wayne Fri Jul 03, 2009 - 16:32:45
: 3AM Fri Jul 03, 2009 - 16:22:46
: larry2 Fri Jul 03, 2009 - 15:56:04
Dear 3AM, I'm sorry you have no idea as to your security in Christ. I'm also sorry that you cannot say you follow the law as you want others to do, and that you continue to sidestep direct questions about it, but that is between you and God.
What is it that makes people disobey God...yet, still think that God will let them into heaven ?
It this what is called: the mystery of iniquity ?
come on man. the SDA is just as useless as the LDS or the catholics. come out of her and follow the lamb
SO...another person who has yet to know what God says, in the Bible.
you know, i used to watch Finley on sunday. everything he said was in line with the gospel. it was yrs later that i found out he was SDA. i was watching Batchlor on TV for a long time. i didnt know he was in a religion. i agreed with everything he said. but later i noticed him talking about us and the like. and that they are gods people because they honor the sabboth. it was when i was watching 3ABN that i saw Finley on it. thats when i noticed they kept talking about them being gods church. they are good. they dont have all the wild maddness that the catholics or mormons have. Batchelor didnt preach being born again but Finley did. when a person is born again they will never join some religion. i guess finley didnt care and just wanted to save people. but batchelor wanted people to join the SDA. their message is good but the salvation by works dont make it. observing the sabboth is great but it will not save you.
: larry2 Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 16:31:40
[larry2 - I didn't think that was that hard a question. If you base your salvation upon keeping all the commandments, or even being considered as being a Christian, I would think you had that covered.
It all comes down to whether a person will obey what Jesus tells them to do.
Jesus Christ told Christians, to keep God's Commandments.
I'd sure hate to think of you at the great white throne judgment wondering if your name was in the book of life, or if it had been erased.
People who disobey God will have their names erased.
The people who do what God says to do....will keep their names in the Book of Life.
It is possible that groups do arise to stimulate a restoration of the Church. I suspect that truth can be found in every corner of the globe. When an atheist states that a baby is cute. That is true. No need to throw that baby out with the bath water. But I won't become an atheist just because I find some truth. Not that this thread has or has not the truth on this particular subject, but I suspect some truth indeed exists somewhere in all this.
: zoonance Sat Jul 04, 2009 - 17:18:18
It is possible that groups do arise to stimulate a restoration of the Church. I suspect that truth can be found in every corner of the globe. When an atheist states that a baby is cute. That is true. No need to throw that baby out with the bath water. But I won't become an atheist just because I find some truth. Not that this thread has or has not the truth on this particular subject, but I suspect some truth indeed exists somewhere in all this.
This is a word to the wise, indeed !
: 3AM Sat Jul 04, 2009 - 17:02:23
: larry2 Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 16:31:40
[larry2 - I didn't think that was that hard a question. If you base your salvation upon keeping all the commandments, or even being considered as being a Christian, I would think you had that covered.
It all comes down to whether a person will obey what Jesus tells them to do.
Jesus Christ told Christians, to keep God's Commandments.
I'd sure hate to think of you at the great white throne judgment wondering if your name was in the book of life, or if it had been erased.
People who disobey God will have their names erased.
The people who do what God says to do....will keep their names in the Book of Life.
3AM, very sorry to hear that
: 3AM Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 11:22:04
: wayne Sat Jul 04, 2009 - 18:03:22
3AM, very sorry to hear that
WHY ?
well 3AM, you said that anyone who disobeys god or breaks commandments will be left off the book of life. have you ever told a lie? have you ever pick up something that wasnt yours? have you ever looked at a girl,or guy, with some manner of lust.? have you ever hated anyone? have you everlooked at a nice big movie stars home and said to yourself,; gee, id like to have that lifestyle? have ever done any of these things, no matter how young you were? thats why im sorry to hear that.
: wayne Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 11:40:23
: 3AM Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 11:22:04
: wayne Sat Jul 04, 2009 - 18:03:22
3AM, very sorry to hear that
WHY ?
well 3AM, you said that anyone who disobeys god or breaks commandments will be left off the book of life. have you ever told a lie? have you ever pick up something that wasnt yours? have you ever looked at a girl,or guy, with some manner of lust.? have you ever hated anyone? have you everlooked at a nice big movie stars home and said to yourself,; gee, id like to have that lifestyle? have ever done any of these things, no matter how young you were? thats why im sorry to hear that.
WOW...Are you ever riddled with guilt ?
Only a guilty person attacks like that.
: 3AM Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 16:40:09
: wayne Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 11:40:23
: 3AM Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 11:22:04
: wayne Sat Jul 04, 2009 - 18:03:22
3AM, very sorry to hear that
WHY ?
well 3AM, you said that anyone who disobeys god or breaks commandments will be left off the book of life. have you ever told a lie? have you ever pick up something that wasnt yours? have you ever looked at a girl,or guy, with some manner of lust.? have you ever hated anyone? have you everlooked at a nice big movie stars home and said to yourself,; gee, id like to have that lifestyle? have ever done any of these things, no matter how young you were? thats why im sorry to hear that.
WOW...Are you ever riddled with guilt ?
Only a guilty person attacks like that.
i am quilty as charged. amongst sinners, i am chief
: wayne Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 18:46:24
i am quilty as charged. amongst sinners, i am chief
Don't tell me...confess to God, ask for HIS forgiveness.
: 3AM Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 20:27:52
: wayne Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 18:46:24
i am quilty as charged. amongst sinners, i am chief
Don't tell me...confess to God, ask for HIS forgiveness.
ok, so you dont break any commandments and are going to heaven, correct?tell me how you do it
: 3AM Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 16:06:29
3AM - Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
: larry2 Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 15:54:34
larry2 - Dear 3AM, do you keep all the commandments?
I'm not the example you are suppose to follow....Jesus Christ is, and HE kept all God's Commandments....and, told ALL Christians to do the same.
Could you identify with those carnal churches mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3:4? If not, why?
Thanks in Jesus' name - larry2
[/size]1 Corinthians 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal ?
Explain the point you are trying to make ?
Christians that keep all the commandments of God are not necesarily perfect but they do strive to be because it is the will of God. Mat 5:48. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Dear Brother davidandme, I know where you're coming from, or at least think I do; I do not know others who are boasting in their works.
When someone tells me that if I do not accomplish following the law, and I'm going to hell for breaking a law, and me and you both know we all fail God, there needs to be testimony to their righteousness.
Having talked with you for some time, I believe you know my stance on Jesus being my rest, I do not restrict myself on certain foods, etc. But here comes one along and declares they do all these things, and I doubt the whole truth is in them.
I haven't seen the law tell us to do the best you can; it says to not fail in one point or be guilty of all. So here we have a law keeper breaking all the law probably on a regular basis, but I can't even get them to admit they ever break a law. I just hope they still base their salvation somewhat on what Jesus' did; not all on what they do to earn their own salvation.
I don't mean to get involved here, and become a thorn in the side of others, other than when a thread I replied to on a different board gets transferred to here. A funny story comes to mind you may have heard before referring to those thinking they're the only ones in heaven. One in heaven asks another; who are those way over there? Shhh! They think they're the only ones here. Normally I have heard this referring to Baptists. ::smile::
Again, may God bless you Davidandme in your walk with God, and for Him in the blessed name of Jesus - larry2
: 3AM Sat Jul 04, 2009 - 17:02:23
: larry2 Thu Jul 02, 2009 - 16:31:40
[larry2 - I didn't think that was that hard a question. If you base your salvation upon keeping all the commandments, or even being considered as being a Christian, I would think you had that covered.
It all comes down to whether a person will obey what Jesus tells them to do.
Jesus Christ told Christians, to keep God's Commandments.
I'd sure hate to think of you at the great white throne judgment wondering if your name was in the book of life, or if it had been erased.
People who disobey God will have their names erased.
The people who do what God says to do....will keep their names in the Book of Life.
so 3AM, i guess you obey all christs commandments? then you wll get to heaven. be honest, do you obey all his commandments?
: wayne Mon Jul 06, 2009 - 00:59:57
: 3AM Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 20:27:52
: wayne Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 18:46:24
i am quilty as charged. amongst sinners, i am chief
Don't tell me...confess to God, ask for HIS forgiveness.
ok, so you dont break any commandments and are going to heaven, correct?tell me how you do it
keeping any or all commandments will not save you Wayne. Only Jesus saves. But one of the evidence of a save person is when a person recognizes that the Laws of God should be kept.
ok, so i recognize gods laws should be kept. how does that relate to the SDA? the devils know the bible by heart, and believe in god more than humans do. should they join the SDA?
: larry2 Mon Jul 06, 2009 - 09:16:22
Dear Brother davidandme, I know where you're coming from, or at least think I do; I do not know others who are boasting in their works.
When someone tells me that if I do not accomplish following the law, and I'm going to hell for breaking a law, and me and you both know we all fail God, there needs to be testimony to their righteousness.
Having talked with you for some time, I believe you know my stance on Jesus being my rest, I do not restrict myself on certain foods, etc. But here comes one along and declares they do all these things, and I doubt the whole truth is in them.
I haven't seen the law tell us to do the best you can; it says to not fail in one point or be guilty of all. So here we have a law keeper breaking all the law probably on a regular basis, but I can't even get them to admit they ever break a law. I just hope they still base their salvation somewhat on what Jesus' did; not all on what they do to earn their own salvation.
I don't mean to get involved here, and become a thorn in the side of others, other than when a thread I replied to on a different board gets transferred to here. A funny story comes to mind you may have heard before referring to those thinking they're the only ones in heaven. One in heaven asks another; who are those way over there? Shhh! They think they're the only ones here. Normally I have heard this referring to Baptists. ::smile::
Again, may God bless you Davidandme in your walk with God, and for Him in the blessed name of Jesus - larry2
The role of the Laws of God are not to be merciful. All the Laws do is point out our sins. They do us a favor because they show the will of God for us. It should be our will to keep the Laws given by God. Can we keep them all with this sinful body? Jesus did it. So can we. So how did Jesus do it? He was subject to his heavenly Father at all times. Have anybody else on this earth done it? Not that I know off. Is it possible to be save even if we fail to keep these commandments? Yes. If Jesus covers with His robes of righteousness. 1 Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
: wayne Mon Jul 06, 2009 - 00:59:57
: 3AM Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 20:27:52
: wayne Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 18:46:24
i am quilty as charged. amongst sinners, i am chief
Don't tell me...confess to God, ask for HIS forgiveness.
ok, so you dont break any commandments and are going to heaven, correct?tell me how you do it
The Bible has all the information a person needs.
: 3AM Sat Jul 11, 2009 - 13:00:57
: wayne Mon Jul 06, 2009 - 00:59:57
: 3AM Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 20:27:52
: wayne Sun Jul 05, 2009 - 18:46:24
i am quilty as charged. amongst sinners, i am chief
Don't tell me...confess to God, ask for HIS forgiveness.
ok, so you dont break any commandments and are going to heaven, correct?tell me how you do it
The Bible has all the information a person needs.
well ok, you got me there. i have to agree
: wayne Wed Jul 08, 2009 - 13:13:48
ok, so i recognize gods laws should be kept. how does that relate to the SDA? the devils know the bible by heart, and believe in god more than humans do. should they join the SDA?
The SDA church is one of the very few christian churches that believe that all of the laws of the Ten Commandments should be kept even today.
well dave, i cant name a christian religion that doesnt reccomend keeping the commandments. but 2, besides your beloved church, come to mind as to being stickelers about keeping the commandments; the JWs and the mormons.i know some JWs and some mormons. can i get 1 of each of you in a cage match? 3 man battle royal.ill join the church of the winner. dave, what other way is there to tell whos religion is the rite one? one consolation for you bro dave, just between u and me, those JWs are scrawny little red nose faggots. you can take him out fast.
: wayne Sat Jul 11, 2009 - 22:52:37
well dave, i cant name a christian religion that doesnt reccomend keeping the commandments.
God has never authorized Sunday worship services.
God says: 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
: 3AM Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 11:03:54
: wayne Sat Jul 11, 2009 - 22:52:37
well dave, i cant name a christian religion that doesnt reccomend keeping the commandments.
God has never authorized Sunday worship services.
God says: 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
brother 3AM, you are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. no man is justified by the law. we can have a worship service any and every day of the week. rite? is it wrong to have a worship service on tuesday? or does your religion tie your hands and tell you when you can worship. well, you can have that legalistic religion. good luck
: wayne Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 11:36:51brother 3AM, you are straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel. no man is justified by the law.
God says so.....Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God,
but the doers of the law shall be justified. we can have a worship service any and every day of the week. rite? is it wrong to have a worship service on tuesday? or does your religion tie your hands and tell you when you can worship.
God made this claim to ONLY one day of the week..... 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a
sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.
well, you can have that legalistic religion. good luck
I see...then Jesus Christ was a legalist, when HE told Christians, to keep the Law of God ?
"IF you love me, keep My Commandments", (John 14:15)
there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday
: wayne Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 18:34:33
there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday
The Sabbath is not a burden fro thouse who love Jesus.
I think Larry has a good point.
: davidandme Mon Jul 13, 2009 - 07:34:23
: wayne Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 18:34:33
there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday
The Sabbath is not a burden fro thouse who love Jesus.
How about the rest of law keeping?
: Gary Tue Jul 14, 2009 - 20:22:49
: davidandme Mon Jul 13, 2009 - 07:34:23
: wayne Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 18:34:33
there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday
The Sabbath is not a burden fro thouse who love Jesus.
How about the rest of law keeping?
Same thing.
too bad keeping the laws wount do a damned thing for you.
Not keeping the law is what gets one damned to hell for the sins that they expose. The Law points the sinner to Christ in order to be saved from one's sins.
: davidandme Wed Jul 15, 2009 - 09:50:52
: Gary Tue Jul 14, 2009 - 20:22:49
: davidandme Mon Jul 13, 2009 - 07:34:23
: wayne Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 18:34:33
there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday
The Sabbath is not a burden fro thouse who love Jesus.
How about the rest of law keeping?
Same thing.
And what does Gal. 5:4 say about those law keepers?
Gal. 5:4 doesn't say anything about law keepers. It is about those who are justified (in their own eyes) by the law.
A better text on law keeping would be:
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
: djconklin Wed Jul 15, 2009 - 21:12:35
Gal. 5:4 doesn't say anything about law keepers. It is about those who are justified (in their own eyes) by the law.
A better text on law keeping would be:
1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Romans 4
13It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
Excellent text! Especially the last clause: "where there is no law there is no transgression." So, since (according to your theology, or the popular one) there is no law then there is no sin. Abortion isn't a sin, the Holocaust wasn't a sin, Hugh Hefner is a saint, there is no sin, period, everything is just hunky-dory and we don't need a Saviour.
Unfortunately, the text doesn't say anything about law keeping; so my point stands.
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: djconklin Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 08:01:21
Abortion isn't a sin,
Huh - I thought the SDA's were pro-abortion...
(Romans 14:2-6) "People range from those who believe they may eat any sort of meat to those whose faith is so weak they dare not eat anything except vegetables. Meat-eaters must not despise the scrupulous. On the other hand, the scrupulous must not condemn those who feel free to eat anything they choose, since God has welcomed them. It is not for you to condemn someone else's servant: whether he stands or falls it is his own master's business; he will stand you may be sure, because the Lord has power to make him stand. If one man keeps certain days as holier than others, and another considers all days to be equally holy, each must be left free to hold his own opinion.
: OldDad Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 09:34:53
: djconklin Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 08:01:21
Abortion isn't a sin,
Huh - I thought the SDA's were pro-abortion...
You missed the sentence before it. That is the conclusion of such thinking.
BTW, SDA's are NOT pro-abortion.
Just pro-therapeutic abortions, then. Pro-choice.
: wayne Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 18:34:33
there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday
It is interesting that God made the sabbath for man....yet, man (Christians) rejects the sabbath.
So, what motivates man, to reject God's gift ?
: 3AM Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 13:21:20
: wayne Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 18:34:33
there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday
It is interesting that God made the sabbath for man....yet, man (Christians) rejects the sabbath.
So, what motivates man, to reject God's gift ?
He gave us one day out of seven to rest... and I get 2 days off to rest every week.
So I reject nothing except for people obsessed with numerology.
: Tantor Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 13:28:57
: 3AM Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 13:21:20
: wayne Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 18:34:33
there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday
It is interesting that God made the sabbath for man....yet, man (Christians) rejects the sabbath.
So, what motivates man, to reject God's gift ?
He gave us one day out of seven to rest... and I get 2 days off to rest every week.
So I reject nothing except for people obsessed with numerology.
Christians, do as God says to do...work 6 days a week....and, take the 7th day off for rest.
Christian do so because they love God......"IF you love me, keep my Commandments"
: 3AM Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 13:38:27
: Tantor Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 13:28:57
: 3AM Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 13:21:20
: wayne Sun Jul 12, 2009 - 18:34:33
there are people who break the laws on purpose, like thieves. jesus wants us to follow the law. even though he knows we will break it. the sabboth was made for man, not man for the sabboth. yes the sabboth is saturday
It is interesting that God made the sabbath for man....yet, man (Christians) rejects the sabbath.
So, what motivates man, to reject God's gift ?
He gave us one day out of seven to rest... and I get 2 days off to rest every week.
So I reject nothing except for people obsessed with numerology.
Christians, do as God says to do...work 6 days a week....and, take the 7th day off for rest.
Christian do so because they love God......"IF you love me, keep my Commandments"
Does your employer require you to come into work on Sunday? (if not... don't you volunteer to work for free.. because after all you are supposed to work 6 days a week) ... if not then you are not obeying God's commandment.
What do you work on on Sunday?
: OldDad Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 13:16:27
Just pro-therapeutic abortions, then. Pro-choice.
Nope. Therapeutic does NOT mean pro-choice. Just like killing a convicted criminal isn't murder and thus violating the commandment against murder.
: djconklin Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 14:48:58
: OldDad Thu Jul 16, 2009 - 13:16:27
Just pro-therapeutic abortions, then. Pro-choice.
Nope. Therapeutic does NOT mean pro-choice. Just like killing a convicted criminal isn't murder and thus violating the commandment against murder.
Nope, it is pro-choice. It's either a '1' or a '0'. Can't just play games to justify SDA run hospitals killing babies. I am betting even Ellen White wouldn't think too highly of an SDA institution condoning the killing of the image of God (baby).
Nope, it is pro-choice. It's either a '1' or a '0'.
Not always. There are cases where the pregnancy is literally killing the mother. A local newscast had one about a woman who lost over a third of her body weight in her pregnancy. So, here it is either kill two or save one. What would you have done?
Can't just play games to justify SDA run hospitals killing babies.
I wasn't seeking a justification for any hospital or even especially an SDA owned one. You might seek to stop imputing false motives. You didn't ask anywhere near enough questions ot find out what I was thinking and why.
I am betting even Ellen White wouldn't think too highly of an SDA institution condoning the killing of the image of God (baby).
If the abortion was done solely because someone didn't want to have a baby, or other similar reason then I'd say that you are 100% correct.
: wayne Sun Jun 28, 2009 - 17:07:15the sabboth was made FOR man, not man For the sabboth......jesus
Yes, The Creator made it and He blessed and sanctified it as well as rested on it.