And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Another like whom?
The answer? Himself
Another like Himself
Does this not mean that Jesus is the Comforter, the Counselor, the Advocate and the Helper speaking as a man, wrapped in human flesh is saying another like Him will come but this time in spirit and not in human flesh
Hmmm...doesn't that mean the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one in the same?
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9
Once again we see the 3 in 1 God in the scriptures
Your thoughts?
: gospel Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:11:23
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Another like whom?
The answer? Himself
Another like Himself
Does this not mean that Jesus is the Comforter, the Counselor, the Advocate and the Helper speaking as a man,
wrapped in human flesh is saying another like Him will come but this time in spirit and not in human flesh
Hmmm...doesn't that mean the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one in the same
Somehow you missed it ... no one's perfect.
The "another" means another One of the Incredible Triune Godhead.
Or, if anyone prefers, another Person of the Trinity.
.
: gospel Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:11:23
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Another like whom?
The answer? Himself
Another like Himself
Does this not mean that Jesus is the Comforter, the Counselor, the Advocate and the Helper speaking as a man, wrapped in human flesh is saying another like Him will come but this time in spirit and not in human flesh
Hmmm...doesn't that mean the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one in the same
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9
Once again we see the 3 in 1 God in the scriptures
Your thoughts?
So far, from what you have presented as evidence, what I perceive does not add up to "
3 in 1" as you suggest but rather "
2 AS 1". Do you have any more Scripture evidence? I also find this:
1 John 2:11. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin,
we have an advocate (GSN#3875 parakletos) with the Father, Yeshua Christon, the righteous:Strong's Ref. #3875Romanized parakletos
Pronounced par-ak'-lay-tos
an intercessor, consoler:
KJV--advocate, comforter.
::smile::
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:31:11
: gospel Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:11:23
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Another like whom?
The answer? Himself
Another like Himself
Does this not mean that Jesus is the Comforter, the Counselor, the Advocate and the Helper speaking as a man, wrapped in human flesh is saying another like Him will come but this time in spirit and not in human flesh
Hmmm...doesn't that mean the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one in the same
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9
Once again we see the 3 in 1 God in the scriptures
Your thoughts?
So far, from what you have presented as evidence, what I perceive does not add up to "3 in 1" as you suggest but rather "2 AS 1". Do you have any more Scripture evidence? I also find this:
1 John 2:1
1. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate (GSN#3875 parakletos) with the Father, Yeshua Christon, the righteous:
Strong's Ref. #3875
Romanized parakletos
Pronounced par-ak'-lay-tos
an intercessor, consoler:
KJV--advocate, comforter.
::smile::
You're correct...for the point of this thread was to emphasize for a change, the Oneness of Jesus and the Spirit of God
I figure if we can get that far we might get somewhere in that if naysayers of the Trinity can all agree that
God's Spirit is God, for we know God is a Spirit
And
Jesus is sending another just like Himself
Then.....
::announcment:: HELLO! Houston we have ignition!
And you're right in pointing out the similarities in titles
Jesus is the Counselor and so is the Holy Spirit
Jesus is the Advocate and so is the Holy Spirit
Jesus is the Master Teacher and so is the Holy Spirit
Jesus is the Shepherd that leads and guides and the Holy Spirit is given to lead and guide
Also there is this:
Isaiah 53:11-12
11. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12. Therefore will I divide him a portion [in] the great, (#7227 rab -many) and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he took away (#5375 nasa' -to lift up) the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
YHWH states He will DIVIDE-APPORTION His Servant IN the many because he poured out his soul unto death and took away our iniquities and sins; bearing the penalty and "wages" of sin, which is death, in our place.
Acts 2:1-3
1. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3. And there appeared unto them cloven (#1266 diamerizo -divided-partitioned) tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Strong's Ref. # 1266
Romanized diamerizo
Pronounced dee-am-er-id'-zo
from GSN1223 and GSN3307; to partition thoroughly (literally in distribution, figuratively in dissension):
KJV--cloven, divide, part.
Also there is this:
John 7:39 YGB (Young's Literal Bible
39. and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 7:37-39
37. In the last day, that great day of the feast, (Sukkot-Tabernacles) Yeshua stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39. But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him were about to receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet; because the Yeshua was not yet glorified.
::smile::
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 19:39:19
Also there is this:
Isaiah 53:11-12
11. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12. Therefore will I divide him a portion [in] the great, (#7227 rab -many) and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he took away (#5375 nasa' -to lift up) the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
YHWH states He will DIVIDE-APPORTION His Servant IN the many because he poured out his soul unto death and took away our iniquities and sins; bearing the penalty and "wages" of sin, which is death, in our place.
Acts 2:1-3
1. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3. And there appeared unto them cloven (#1266 diamerizo -divided-partitioned) tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Strong's Ref. # 1266
Romanized diamerizo
Pronounced dee-am-er-id'-zo
from GSN1223 and GSN3307; to partition thoroughly (literally in distribution, figuratively in dissension):
KJV--cloven, divide, part.
Also there is this:
John 7:39 YGB (Young's Literal Bible
39. and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 7:37-39
37. In the last day, that great day of the feast, (Sukkot-Tabernacles) Yeshua stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39. But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him were about to receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet; because the Yeshua was not yet glorified.
::smile::
daq.... I actually understand you, in this I take great delight!
And I agree with you as well
Manna!
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
For some reason, verse 18 always gets left off:
John 14:18 KJV - I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Jarrod
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 00:44:08
For some reason, verse 18 always gets left off:
John 14:18 KJV - I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Jarrod
Perhaps it is for the same reason that often times you will see John 3:13 quoted but for some strange reason the tendency is to leave off the end of the verse:
John 3:13
13. And no man hath ascended up to heaven, except but THE-HE that from the heaven came down: and the Son of man which is in heaven.
Who is the "THE" or "HE" that from the heaven came down?
See Matthew 3:16 quoted and underlined above ... ::smile::
John 14:18
"I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
Isaiah 51:12
"I, I am he who comforts you; who are you that you are afraid of man who dies, of the son of man who is made like grass, that you forget the LORD your maker."
The question is: Is it the same voice speaking? ::smile::
: Wycliffes_Shillelagh Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 00:44:08
For some reason, verse 18 always gets left off:
John 14:18 KJV - I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Jarrod
Excellent Point!!!!!
: Kindle Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 10:40:59
John 14:18
"I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
Isaiah 51:12
"I, I am he who comforts you; who are you that you are afraid of man who dies, of the son of man who is made like grass, that you forget the LORD your maker."
The question is: Is it the same voice speaking? ::smile::
Outstanding!!!!
Manna to you both!
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:50:40
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
Nevertheless if the Spirit of God is God and The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ they are all One in the same. If He is another, just like Jesus and He is also God,
CLEARLY what we have here is a 3 IN ONE
The Spirit of God is not an it NOR is He an inanimate force or power
The Spirit of God is a person clearly referred to as He, an intelligent discerning person who can give instructions, teach, lead and has feelings
In the Book of Acts The Holy Spirit is clearly in charge, He is God, He is doing all His work through the Apostles.
The acts of the apostles are His Acts!
He is speaking through them,
He is telling the Apostles where to go and what to do,
He is manifesting and speaking though all those Who Receive Jesus,
He is telling them where not to go
He is telling the Apostles when people are lying or speaking truth,
He is healing and He is prophesying and He is doing all of this in the Name of Jesus
He will only speak those things He hears
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:13The Spirit glorifies Jesus and Jesus glorifies the Father, The Father glorifies the Son neither of them ever glorifies Himself
He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.
John 16:14
All things Belong to Jesus
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you
John 16:15The Holy Spirit is God but He will only take from those things of Jesus!
It's unimaginable to me that anyone that is actually in fellowship and communion with God in His Word can not be shaken to the core with a revelation of the Trinity in these verses
There is so much there, it is so very very rich!
Thank You Lord Jesus for making your Word clear!!
: gospel Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:40:15
God's Spirit is God, for we know God is a Spirit
Jesus is sending another just like Himself
God's angels are spirits, for we know God is a spirit. Just sayin'.
The Father is sending another just like Jesus.
: John Zain Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 14:11:50
: gospel Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:40:15
God's Spirit is God, for we know God is a Spirit
Jesus is sending another just like Himself
God's angels are spirits, for we know God is a spirit. Just sayin'.
The Father is sending another just like Jesus.
What are you trying to say?
The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God is the "another"....agreed?
So God's Spirit whom is God and also referred to as the Spirit of Christ is the "another" who is like Jesus
Another comforter, counselor, advocate, teacher, leader....
Just like Jesus
The Spirit of God is also called The Spirit of Truth......in the same way Jesus is THE TRUTH!
Yet The Holy Spirit is God because He is The Spirit of God
The same Spirit of God which Jesus had without measure...which is why Jesus could boldly declare when you have seen Me you have seen the Father
The Same Spirit whom without fail confirmed Jesus earthly ministry
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,
Luke 4:18 / Isaiah 61:1
: gospel Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:40:15
Jesus is sending another just like Himself
I was just pointing out that ...
the Father will be the One sending "another" Helper/Comforter/Paraclete,
in relation to our passage John 14:16-26.
: John Zain Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 15:24:22
: gospel Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:40:15
Jesus is sending another just like Himself
I was just pointing out that ...
the Father will be the One sending "another" Helper/Comforter/Paraclete,
in relation to our passage John 14:16-26.
Hmmm... I see ::pondering::
God is sending Himself
First He came in the form of a man
That means as a Spirit, God is coming in the form of His Spirit and He is the another whom like Jesus is the one in same counselor, teacher, advocate, comforter, guide and Truth of God
This is good stuff!!!!
: gospel Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 15:31:24
: John Zain Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 15:24:22
: gospel Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:40:15
Jesus is sending another just like Himself
I was just pointing out that ...
the Father will be the One sending "another" Helper/Comforter/Paraclete,
in relation to our passage John 14:16-26.
Hmmm... I see ::pondering::
God is sending Himself
First He came in the form of a man
That means as a Spirit, God is coming in the form of His Spirit and He is the another whom like Jesus is the one in same counselor, teacher, advocate, comforter, guide and Truth of God
This is good stuff!!!!
Yes, but I think it takes spiritual revelation to see some of this,
i.e. one sure doesn't get it by just reading black words on white paper.
E.g. Muslims have no idea what the NT is saying.
They are 3 Persons, aren't They?
Father God sent God the Son to inhabit a baby who was named "Jesus".
Later, the Father sent a Replacement for Jesus (God the Son) who ascended to heaven.
That replacement was the Holy Spirit.
Maybe we should say the original Comforter/Helper was Jesus
who certainly comforted/helped us in many ways, right?
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:50:40
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
I agree with everything posted here. Very good.
but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth His Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, so that He might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God's sons.
Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of His Son, the Spirit who cries out, "Abba!" (that is, "Dear Father!"). So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir. -Gal. 4:4-6 CJB
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:12:59
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:50:40
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
I agree with everything posted here. Very good.
but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth His Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, so that He might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God's sons.
Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of His Son, the Spirit who cries out, "Abba!" (that is, "Dear Father!"). So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir.
-Gal. 4:4-6 CJB
Of course you agree...you are among those who though knowing the scripture haven't connected the dots as of yet, but you love Jesus so you'll come around...one day. I am sure of it! ::noworries::
Since you agree with a response that has been successfully rebutted
Let's see if we can try this again
I think we all agree ....
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of God in other words The Spirit of God and God are one in the same
The Holy Spirit is also the "another" Jesus referred to
Another means one like Jesus, so Jesus said I will pray the Father He send another like me, another Counselor, another Comforter, another Advocate, another Helper, another Teacher, another Leader, another Guide and another Truth.
See?
Everything that Jesus is, The Holy Spirit is another just like Him
Yet the Holy Spirit is God, His Spirit...the Spirit of God
Furthermore
Jesus is the Truth and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:13How we doing so far? ::smile::
Add to that the Holy Spirit is also called The Spirit of Christ well by golly what we have here is nothing short of a 3 in One God
For if the Spirit of God is also the Spirit of Christ then they are indeed One in the Same!
Keep in mind Christ is not Jesus last name but rather a title,
It means The Anointed One
So Jesus was The Christ and not coincidentally The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God..... God's Spirit is also the Spirit of Christ!
That's a lot to take in at one time so lets just leave it right there for now....shall we? ::shrug::
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.Romans 8:9Last I read we are a temple of God and God's Spirit dwells in us...right?
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16Let him who has ears hear.....What the Spirit is saying
: gospel Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:39:25
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:12:59
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:50:40
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
I agree with everything posted here. Very good.
but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth His Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, so that He might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God's sons.
Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of His Son, the Spirit who cries out, "Abba!" (that is, "Dear Father!"). So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir.
-Gal. 4:4-6 CJB
Of course you agree...you are among those who though knowing the scripture haven't connected the dots as of yet, but you love Jesus so you'll come around...one day. I am sure of it! ::noworries::
Since you agree with a response that has been successfully rebutted
Let's see if we can try this again
I think we all agree ....
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of God in other words The Spirit of God and God are one in the same
The Holy Spirit is also the "another" Jesus referred to
Another means one like Jesus, so Jesus said I will pray the Father He send another like me, another Counselor, another Comforter, another Advocate, another Helper, another Teacher, another Leader, another Guide and another Truth.
See?
Everything that Jesus is, The Holy Spirit is another just like Him
Yet the Holy Spirit is God, His Spirit...the Spirit of God
Furthermore
Jesus is the Truth and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:13
How we doing so far? ::smile::
Add to that the Holy Spirit is also called The Spirit of Christ well by golly what we have here is nothing short of a 3 in One God
For if the Spirit of God is also the Spirit of Christ then they are indeed One in the Same!
Keep in mind Christ is not Jesus last name but rather a title,
It means The Anointed One
So Jesus was The Christ and not coincidentally The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God..... God's Spirit is also the Spirit of Christ!
That's a lot to take in at one time so lets just leave it right there for now....shall we? ::shrug::
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.Romans 8:9
Last I read we are a temple of God and God's Spirit dwells in us...right?
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16
Let him who has ears hear.....What the Spirit is saying
I say they Two are One. They are Two, not three.
There is one body and one Spirit, just as when you were called you were called to one hope. And there is one Lord, one trust, one immersion, and one God, the Father of all, who rules over all, works through all and is in all The Father is the Spirit and the Son is His body, His Word in the flesh.
Everyone who goes ahead and does not remain true to what the Messiah has taught does not have God. Those who remain true to his teaching have both the Father and the Son.
If someone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, don't welcome him into your home. Don't even say, "Shalom!" to him; for the person who says, "Shalom!" to him shares in his evil deeds. -2John 1:8-10 CJB
But you have received the Messiah's anointing from HaKadosh, and you know all this.
It is not because you don't know the truth that I have written to you, but because you do know it, and because no lie has its origin in the truth.
Who is a liar at all, if not the person who denies that Yeshua is the Messiah? Such a person is an anti-Messiah - he is denying the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son is also without the Father, but the person who acknowledges the Son has the Father as well.
Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, you will also remain in union with both the Son and the Father. And this is what he has promised us: eternal life. -1John2:20-25 CJB
: gospel Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:39:25
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. Romans 8:9
Connected with this is ...
Romans 8:
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.And this is the sanctification (set apart and made holy) process.
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 17:03:00
: gospel Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:39:25
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:12:59
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:50:40
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
I agree with everything posted here. Very good.
but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth His Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, so that He might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God's sons.
Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of His Son, the Spirit who cries out, "Abba!" (that is, "Dear Father!"). So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir.
-Gal. 4:4-6 CJB
Of course you agree...you are among those who though knowing the scripture haven't connected the dots as of yet, but you love Jesus so you'll come around...one day. I am sure of it! ::noworries::
Since you agree with a response that has been successfully rebutted
Let's see if we can try this again
I think we all agree ....
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of God in other words The Spirit of God and God are one in the same
The Holy Spirit is also the "another" Jesus referred to
Another means one like Jesus, so Jesus said I will pray the Father He send another like me, another Counselor, another Comforter, another Advocate, another Helper, another Teacher, another Leader, another Guide and another Truth.
See?
Everything that Jesus is, The Holy Spirit is another just like Him
Yet the Holy Spirit is God, His Spirit...the Spirit of God
Furthermore
Jesus is the Truth and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:13
How we doing so far? ::smile::
Add to that the Holy Spirit is also called The Spirit of Christ well by golly what we have here is nothing short of a 3 in One God
For if the Spirit of God is also the Spirit of Christ then they are indeed One in the Same!
Keep in mind Christ is not Jesus last name but rather a title,
It means The Anointed One
So Jesus was The Christ and not coincidentally The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God..... God's Spirit is also the Spirit of Christ!
That's a lot to take in at one time so lets just leave it right there for now....shall we? ::shrug::
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.Romans 8:9
Last I read we are a temple of God and God's Spirit dwells in us...right?
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16
Let him who has ears hear.....What the Spirit is saying
I say they Two are One. They are Two, not three.
There is one body and one Spirit, just as when you were called you were called to one hope. And there is one Lord, one trust, one immersion, and one God, the Father of all, who rules over all, works through all and is in all
The Father is the Spirit and the Son is His body, His Word in the flesh.
Everyone who goes ahead and does not remain true to what the Messiah has taught does not have God. Those who remain true to his teaching have both the Father and the Son.
If someone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, don't welcome him into your home. Don't even say, "Shalom!" to him; for the person who says, "Shalom!" to him shares in his evil deeds. -2John 1:8-10 CJB
But you have received the Messiah's anointing from HaKadosh, and you know all this.
It is not because you don't know the truth that I have written to you, but because you do know it, and because no lie has its origin in the truth.
Who is a liar at all, if not the person who denies that Yeshua is the Messiah? Such a person is an anti-Messiah - he is denying the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son is also without the Father, but the person who acknowledges the Son has the Father as well.
Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, you will also remain in union with both the Son and the Father. And this is what he has promised us: eternal life. -1John2:20-25 CJB
Well, I just posted this on another thread---please note the (3) distinct persons being mentioned:
"As soon as JESUS was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the SPIRIT OF GOD descending like a dove and alighting on him. AND A VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAID, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 17:03:00
: gospel Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:39:25
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:12:59
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:50:40
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
I agree with everything posted here. Very good.
but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth His Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, so that He might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God's sons.
Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of His Son, the Spirit who cries out, "Abba!" (that is, "Dear Father!"). So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir.
-Gal. 4:4-6 CJB
Of course you agree...you are among those who though knowing the scripture haven't connected the dots as of yet, but you love Jesus so you'll come around...one day. I am sure of it! ::noworries::
Since you agree with a response that has been successfully rebutted
Let's see if we can try this again
I think we all agree ....
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of God in other words The Spirit of God and God are one in the same
The Holy Spirit is also the "another" Jesus referred to
Another means one like Jesus, so Jesus said I will pray the Father He send another like me, another Counselor, another Comforter, another Advocate, another Helper, another Teacher, another Leader, another Guide and another Truth.
See?
Everything that Jesus is, The Holy Spirit is another just like Him
Yet the Holy Spirit is God, His Spirit...the Spirit of God
Furthermore
Jesus is the Truth and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:13
How we doing so far? ::smile::
Add to that the Holy Spirit is also called The Spirit of Christ well by golly what we have here is nothing short of a 3 in One God
For if the Spirit of God is also the Spirit of Christ then they are indeed One in the Same!
Keep in mind Christ is not Jesus last name but rather a title,
It means The Anointed One
So Jesus was The Christ and not coincidentally The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God..... God's Spirit is also the Spirit of Christ!
That's a lot to take in at one time so lets just leave it right there for now....shall we? ::shrug::
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.Romans 8:9
Last I read we are a temple of God and God's Spirit dwells in us...right?
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16
Let him who has ears hear.....What the Spirit is saying
I say they Two are One. They are Two, not three.
There is one body and one Spirit, just as when you were called you were called to one hope. And there is one Lord, one trust, one immersion, and one God, the Father of all, who rules over all, works through all and is in all
The Father is the Spirit and the Son is His body, His Word in the flesh.
Everyone who goes ahead and does not remain true to what the Messiah has taught does not have God. Those who remain true to his teaching have both the Father and the Son.
If someone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, don't welcome him into your home. Don't even say, "Shalom!" to him; for the person who says, "Shalom!" to him shares in his evil deeds. -2John 1:8-10 CJB
But you have received the Messiah's anointing from HaKadosh, and you know all this.
It is not because you don't know the truth that I have written to you, but because you do know it, and because no lie has its origin in the truth.
Who is a liar at all, if not the person who denies that Yeshua is the Messiah? Such a person is an anti-Messiah - he is denying the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son is also without the Father, but the person who acknowledges the Son has the Father as well.
Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, you will also remain in union with both the Son and the Father. And this is what he has promised us: eternal life. -1John2:20-25 CJB
You can say whatever you like...but I must remind you two can not walk together unless they be agreed so in other words you can say what you like but in the end you need to agree with the Word to walk in the Word.
And it would be very difficult to walk in agreement with Jesus not accepting what He has said about Himself
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 14:9
John 8:19 Then they asked him, "Where is your father?" "You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
John 12:45 When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me.
These are the kinds of statements that got Jesus crucified but not to worry....He knew the consequences and counted on them doing just what they did
But you my friend....
..... you're making this far more complicated than it needs to be but then again logic and reasoning has a way of doing that...
Nevertheless you know far too many scriptures to be reasoned with through the scriptures or by reason alone...hence the difficulty you are having in seeing only what God can reveal
You know too much!
The Pharisees did as well but there is still hope because that's why the Holy Spirit, The Spirit of Christ made us privy to the conversion of Saul.
Because as much as you know, Saul knew far more than you will ever know, the idiomatic expressions of Hebrew, the idiosyncrasies of the Jewish people and their customs, The Greek the Aramaic, being blameless regarding the Law He was also chosen by God to preach the Gospel because of His excellent understanding of Moses and the Prophets yet......
Until it pleased God to reveal Jesus to him, Saul of Tarsus was to put it bluntly ABSOLUTELY IGNORANT of whom Jesus was hence the reason his sole purpose and mission in life was to destroy those who worshiped a man as God
Enter Jesus!
In the midst of another blood thirsty mission to kill and imprison more "heretics" that is, those of The Way.... Paul could only say ....My Lord who are you?
So even though you know too much the good news is that you don't know more than Saul of Tarsus and you too will one day come to see the Light so to speak, the same blinding Light that knocked Paul to the ground, the same voice whom when He said I AM HE, knocked the Roman soldiers to the ground
JESUS, Emmanuel...God With Us!
: fish153 Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 17:50:49
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 17:03:00
: gospel Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:39:25
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:12:59
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:50:40
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
I agree with everything posted here. Very good.
but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth His Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, so that He might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God's sons.
Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of His Son, the Spirit who cries out, "Abba!" (that is, "Dear Father!"). So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir.
-Gal. 4:4-6 CJB
Of course you agree...you are among those who though knowing the scripture haven't connected the dots as of yet, but you love Jesus so you'll come around...one day. I am sure of it! ::noworries::
Since you agree with a response that has been successfully rebutted
Let's see if we can try this again
I think we all agree ....
The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of God in other words The Spirit of God and God are one in the same
The Holy Spirit is also the "another" Jesus referred to
Another means one like Jesus, so Jesus said I will pray the Father He send another like me, another Counselor, another Comforter, another Advocate, another Helper, another Teacher, another Leader, another Guide and another Truth.
See?
Everything that Jesus is, The Holy Spirit is another just like Him
Yet the Holy Spirit is God, His Spirit...the Spirit of God
Furthermore
Jesus is the Truth and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
John 16:13
How we doing so far? ::smile::
Add to that the Holy Spirit is also called The Spirit of Christ well by golly what we have here is nothing short of a 3 in One God
For if the Spirit of God is also the Spirit of Christ then they are indeed One in the Same!
Keep in mind Christ is not Jesus last name but rather a title,
It means The Anointed One
So Jesus was The Christ and not coincidentally The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God..... God's Spirit is also the Spirit of Christ!
That's a lot to take in at one time so lets just leave it right there for now....shall we? ::shrug::
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.Romans 8:9
Last I read we are a temple of God and God's Spirit dwells in us...right?
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16
Let him who has ears hear.....What the Spirit is saying
I say they Two are One. They are Two, not three.
There is one body and one Spirit, just as when you were called you were called to one hope. And there is one Lord, one trust, one immersion, and one God, the Father of all, who rules over all, works through all and is in all
The Father is the Spirit and the Son is His body, His Word in the flesh.
Everyone who goes ahead and does not remain true to what the Messiah has taught does not have God. Those who remain true to his teaching have both the Father and the Son.
If someone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, don't welcome him into your home. Don't even say, "Shalom!" to him; for the person who says, "Shalom!" to him shares in his evil deeds. -2John 1:8-10 CJB
But you have received the Messiah's anointing from HaKadosh, and you know all this.
It is not because you don't know the truth that I have written to you, but because you do know it, and because no lie has its origin in the truth.
Who is a liar at all, if not the person who denies that Yeshua is the Messiah? Such a person is an anti-Messiah - he is denying the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son is also without the Father, but the person who acknowledges the Son has the Father as well.
Let what you heard from the beginning remain in you. If what you heard from the beginning remains in you, you will also remain in union with both the Son and the Father. And this is what he has promised us: eternal life. -1John2:20-25 CJB
Well, I just posted this on another thread---please note the (3) distinct persons being mentioned:
"As soon as JESUS was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the SPIRIT OF GOD descending like a dove and alighting on him. AND A VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAID, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.
: gospel Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 18:11:23
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:16
Another like whom?
The answer? Himself
Another like Himself
Does this not mean that Jesus is the Comforter, the Counselor, the Advocate and the Helper speaking as a man, wrapped in human flesh is saying another like Him will come but this time in spirit and not in human flesh
Hmmm...doesn't that mean the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one in the same?
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9
Once again we see the 3 in 1 God in the scriptures
Your thoughts?
1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1
This theme is a beautiful study to follow through from the Old Testament to the New.
"An Advocate with the Father"
To understand this theme I suggest you spend some time looking into the word "parakletos
16And I (Jesus) will pray the Father (Yahweh), and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. 29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Can you see the attributes of the comforter?
Shane
ps. I couldn't help but highlight the blue text ::idea::
: skmorrison6 Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 23:52:38
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said,
I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Can you see the attributes of the comforter? ps. I couldn't help but highlight the blue text
Perhaps you've never had this explained to you:
Father God in heaven certainly was greater than Jesus ...
when He was stuck on earth in this body of flesh and blood of ours.
But, I'm wondering if Jesus doesn't always consider the Father to be somewhat greater.
Because I believe that the heirarchy goes something like this:
Father = CEO ......... Son = Administrator .......... Holy Spirit = Workhorse
Cannot the above still be true when all 3 Persons:
(1) are Royal Members of the Triune Godhead?
(2) are the express image of each other?
(3) are equal to each other ... as in (1) and (2)?
Just sayin', mind you, just sayin' ... Hope it's okay to be sayin' (as long as I'm sane also).
: John Zain Fri Jul 08, 2011 - 10:23:37
: skmorrison6 Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 23:52:38
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said,
I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Can you see the attributes of the comforter? ps. I couldn't help but highlight the blue text
Perhaps you've never had this explained to you:
Father God in heaven certainly was greater than Jesus ...
when He was stuck on earth in this body of flesh and blood of ours.
But, I'm wondering if Jesus doesn't always consider the Father to be somewhat greater.
Because I believe that the heirarchy goes something like this:
Father = CEO ......... Son = Administrator .......... Holy Spirit = Workhorse
Cannot the above still be true when all 3 Persons:
(1) are Royal Members of the Triune Godhead?
(2) are the express image of each other?
(3) are equal to each other ... as in (1) and (2)?
Just sayin', mind you, just sayin' ... Hope it's okay to be sayin' (as long as I'm sane also).
John Zain you're a lot nicer than me...God bless you
Shane to you I say
Stop playing with words,
Playing with words cannot help you
The Holy Spirit is God, He is the Spirit of God
He is also Another as Jesus referred to
He is also the Spirit of Christ
Since He is another like Jesus,
Jesus is also another like Him
One is God in Flesh
One is God in Spirit
All are God
My advice to you
Get Saved
You must be Born Again!
God Saves, He is Our Savior
His Name is Jesus
: gospel Fri Jul 08, 2011 - 13:15:22
: John Zain Fri Jul 08, 2011 - 10:23:37
: skmorrison6 Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 23:52:38
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said,
I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
Can you see the attributes of the comforter? ps. I couldn't help but highlight the blue text
Perhaps you've never had this explained to you:
Father God in heaven certainly was greater than Jesus ...
when He was stuck on earth in this body of flesh and blood of ours.
But, I'm wondering if Jesus doesn't always consider the Father to be somewhat greater.
Because I believe that the heirarchy goes something like this:
Father = CEO ......... Son = Administrator .......... Holy Spirit = Workhorse
Cannot the above still be true when all 3 Persons:
(1) are Royal Members of the Triune Godhead?
(2) are the express image of each other?
(3) are equal to each other ... as in (1) and (2)?
Just sayin', mind you, just sayin' ... Hope it's okay to be sayin' (as long as I'm sane also).
John Zain you're a lot nicer than me...God bless you
Shane to you I say
Stop playing with words,
Playing with words cannot help you
The Holy Spirit is God, He is the Spirit of God
He is also Another as Jesus referred to
He is also the Spirit of Christ
Since He is another like Jesus,
Jesus is also another like Him
One is God in Flesh
One is God in Spirit
All are God
My advice to you
Get Saved
You must be Born Again!
God Saves, He is Our Savior
His Name is Jesus
Let's give this another shot
The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God is God
The Holy Spirit is also ANOTHER like Jesus
This means Jesus is another like God and God is ANOTHER like Jesus
So much so that...
The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God is also called The Spirit of Christ
seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
1 Peter 1:11
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.Romans 8:9
for I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayers and the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,Philippians 1:19Please explain why God's Spirit and Christ's Spirit are one in the same ::pondering::
There is one body (of believers), and one Spirit (Mind), even as ye are called in one hope (intellectually reasoned) of your calling; 5 One Lord (Jesus), one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all (Jesus included), who is above all (Jesus included), and through all (Jesus included), and in you all (Jesus included). Eph 4:4-6
One Spirit works through all Gods true children (including Jesus) doing His pleasure.
Therefore, God is above all...above Christ, above Angels and well above Mankind!
He is the Father of all and such Jesus can say "my Father is greater than I"
Shane
: Kindle Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 10:40:59
John 14:18
"I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
Isaiah 51:12
"I, I am he who comforts you; who are you that you are afraid of man who dies, of the son of man who is made like grass, that you forget the LORD your maker."
The question is: Is it the same voice speaking? ::smile::
AMEN!
Isaiah 52:9Let the ruins of Jerusalem break into joyful song,
for the Lord has comforted his people.
He has redeemed Jerusalem.
2 Thessalonians 2:16Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal comfort and a wonderful hope,
2 Corinthians 1:3[ God Offers Comfort to All ] All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is our merciful Father and the source of all comfort.
God, the God of all comfort, manifest in the Holy Spirit, who is sent to minister to the world, and to pour forth in and through His children!
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:12:59
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:50:40
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
I agree with everything posted here. Very good.
but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth His Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, so that He might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God's sons.
Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of His Son, the Spirit who cries out, "Abba!" (that is, "Dear Father!"). So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir.
-Gal. 4:4-6 CJB
Amen BTRAlso of note concerning John 14:18 which both Jarrod and Kindle now have quoted, (which others still seem to prefer ignoring).
John 14:13-1813. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15. If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you different (GSN#243 allos) Parakleton, that he may abide with you for ever;17.
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.18.
I will not leave you comfortless: (GSN#3737 orphanos) I will come to you.Strong's Ref. #243Romanized allos
Pronounced al'-los
a primary word; "else," i.e. different (in many applications):KJV--more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
Strong's Ref. #3737Romanized orphanos
Pronounced or-fan-os'
of uncertain affinity; bereaved ("orphan"), i.e. parentless:
KJV--comfortless, fatherless.
1) If we have not the Holy Spirit of Christ; who is in the Father; who is Himself Holy Spirit; then we are like
ORPHANS. This is exactly where the word translated as "comfortless" in Jn.14:18 comes from (orphanos). Yeshua stated that he would not leave the disciples as orphans, (and not that he is the Father but IN THE FATHER AS ONE).
2) What does Yeshua mean by a "different" Parakletos-Advocate? The text tells us why, what for, and in what way:
THAT HE MAY ABIDE WITH US FOREVER. Thus, the "allos-different Parakletos" is Yeshua himself; in the Father; in SPIRIT, rather than Yeshua after the flesh which we now henceforth know him no more, (after the flesh) according to the Scripture:
2 Corinthians 5:14-17 KJV14. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16.
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.17.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
::smile::
: daq Mon Jul 18, 2011 - 09:18:18
: BornToReign Thu Jul 07, 2011 - 16:12:59
: daq Wed Jul 06, 2011 - 20:50:40
And there is more! ::smile::
Matthew 3:16-17
16. Being immersed, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Also there is this:
1 John 2:22-26
22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Yeshua is the Christos? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
2 John 1:7-11
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Yeshua Christon has come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christou, hath not Theon. He that abideth in the doctrine; he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him goodwill:
11. For he that biddeth him goodwill is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Corinthian 5:14-16
14. For the love of Christou constrains us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christon after the flesh, YET NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO MORE.
Still I do not find "3 IN 1" but rather: "THEY TWO ARE ONE"
::pondering::
I agree with everything posted here. Very good.
but when the appointed time arrived, God sent forth His Son. He was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the Torah was the norm, so that He might redeem those in subjection to this legalism and thus enable us to be made God's sons.
Now because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of His Son, the Spirit who cries out, "Abba!" (that is, "Dear Father!"). So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son you are also an heir.
-Gal. 4:4-6 CJB
Amen BTR
Also of note concerning John 14:18 which both Jarrod and Kindle now have quoted, (which others still seem to prefer ignoring).
John 14:13-18
13. And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15. If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you different (GSN#243 allos) Parakleton, that he may abide with you for ever;
17. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18. I will not leave you comfortless: (GSN#3737 orphanos) I will come to you.
Strong's Ref. #243
Romanized allos
Pronounced al'-los
a primary word; "else," i.e. different (in many applications):
KJV--more, one (another), (an-, some an-)other(-s, -wise).
Strong's Ref. #3737
Romanized orphanos
Pronounced or-fan-os'
of uncertain affinity; bereaved ("orphan"), i.e. parentless:
KJV--comfortless, fatherless.
1) If we have not the Holy Spirit of Christ; who is in the Father; who is Himself Holy Spirit; then we are like ORPHANS. This is exactly where the word translated as "comfortless" in Jn.14:18 comes from (orphanos). Yeshua stated that he would not leave the disciples as orphans, (and not that he is the Father but IN THE FATHER AS ONE).
2) What does Yeshua mean by a "different" Parakletos-Advocate? The text tells us why, what for, and in what way: THAT HE MAY ABIDE WITH US FOREVER. Thus, the "allos-different Parakletos" is Yeshua himself; in the Father; in SPIRIT, rather than Yeshua after the flesh which we now henceforth know him no more, (after the flesh) according to the Scripture:
2 Corinthians 5:14-17 KJV
14. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
::smile::
::amen::
Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. -John14:19ESV
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate(3875) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. -1John2:1ESV
Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper(3875) will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. John16:7ESV
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper(3875), to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. -John 14:16-17
No man shall be able to stand before you all the days of your life. Just as I was with Moses, so will be with you. I will not leave you or forsake you. -Joshua 1:5
Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." -Heb.13:5ESV
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. -John14:6ESV
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. -Rom.8:29
No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. -1John 2:22-23 ESV
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. -Rev.1:5-6ESV
the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us-that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. And we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete. -1John 1:2-4 ESV
Yeshua bless you and amen
my brother..... ::smile::
: skmorrison6 Mon Jul 18, 2011 - 02:54:54
There is one body (of believers), and one Spirit (Mind), even as ye are called in one hope (intellectually reasoned) of your calling; 5 One Lord (Jesus), one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all (Jesus included), who is above all (Jesus included), and through all (Jesus included), and in you all (Jesus included). Eph 4:4-6
One Spirit works through all Gods true children (including Jesus) doing His pleasure.
Therefore, God is above all...above Christ, above Angels and well above Mankind!
He is the Father of all and such Jesus can say "my Father is greater than I"
Shane
Ok clearly you realize that your statement above is pure gooblety gook of your own making and nothing to do with scripture....so why don't I give you another opportunity to not avoid the question ::shrug::
Why is the Holy Spirit called the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ?The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God is God
The Holy Spirit is also ANOTHER like Jesus
This means Jesus is another like God and God is ANOTHER like Jesus
So much so that...
The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God is also called The Spirit of Christ
Please explain why God's Spirit and Christ's Spirit are one in the same...okay?
seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
1 Peter 1:11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Romans 8:9for I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayers and the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Philippians 1:19
Is this whats known as a bump? ::shrug::
Anyway, I'm trying to help make sure these Truths are not easily avoided
: gospel Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 11:28:03
Is this whats known as a bump? ::shrug::
Anyway, I'm trying to help make sure these Truths are not easily avoided
Exactly what part of Eph 4:4-6 did the Spirit get wrong? Was it not written according to gospel?
There is one body (of believers), and one Spirit (Mind), even as ye are called in one hope (intellectually reasoned & understood)) of your calling; 5 One Lord (Jesus), one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all (Jesus included), who is above all (Jesus included), and through all (Jesus included), and in you all (Jesus included). Eph 4:4-6
This shall be interesting ::pondering:: the Gospel according to gospel?
Shane
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 02:24:16
: gospel Tue Jul 19, 2011 - 11:28:03
Is this whats known as a bump? ::shrug::
Anyway, I'm trying to help make sure these Truths are not easily avoided
Exactly what part of Eph 4:4-6 did the Spirit get wrong? Was it not written according to gospel?
There is one body (of believers), and one Spirit (Mind), even as ye are called in one hope (intellectually reasoned & understood)) of your calling; 5 One Lord (Jesus), one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all (Jesus included), who is above all (Jesus included), and through all (Jesus included), and in you all (Jesus included). Eph 4:4-6
This shall be interesting ::pondering:: the Gospel according to gospel?
Shane
I'll tell you one thing thats for sure
We can failthfully count on you to squander away every opportunity TO NOT avoid a basic question ::shrug::
Why is the Holy Spirit called the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ?The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God is God
The Holy Spirit is also ANOTHER like Jesus
This means Jesus is another like God and God is ANOTHER like Jesus
So much so that...
The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of God is also called The Spirit of Christ
Please explain why God's Spirit and Christ's Spirit are one in the same...okay?
seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow.
1 Peter 1:11However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Romans 8:9for I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayers and the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
Philippians 1:19
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father. You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.
The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)
"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)
"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).
The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high" (Lk. 24:49).
Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).
Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).
This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only. There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.
It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father. You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.
The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)
"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)
"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).
The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high" (Lk. 24:49).
Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).
Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).
This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only. There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.
It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.
There's that JW association again
They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God
Coincidentally I suppose ::lookaround::
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746 (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746)
: gospel Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:40:38
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father. You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.
The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)
"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)
"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).
The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high" (Lk. 24:49).
Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).
Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).
This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only. There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.
It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.
There's that JW association again
They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God
Coincidentally I suppose ::lookaround::
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746 (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746)
So we have you on record denying the Holy Spirit is the Power of God also.
Nice going Gos!
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:46:26
: gospel Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:40:38
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father. You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.
The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)
"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)
"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).
The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high" (Lk. 24:49).
Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).
Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).
This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only. There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.
It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.
There's that JW association again
They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God
Coincidentally I suppose ::lookaround::
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746 (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746)
So we have you on record denying the Holy Spirit is the Power of God also.
Nice going Gos!
Go back to your camp and tell them first and foremost The Holy Spirit is a Person!
Then come back and tell us what they said k?
: gospel Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:52:50
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:46:26
: gospel Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:40:38
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father. You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.
The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)
"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)
"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).
The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high" (Lk. 24:49).
Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).
Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).
This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only. There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.
It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.
There's that JW association again
They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God
Coincidentally I suppose ::lookaround::
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746 (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746)
So we have you on record denying the Holy Spirit is the Power of God also.
Nice going Gos!
Go back to your camp and tell them first and foremost The Holy Spirit is a Person!
Then come back and tell us what they said k?
I know...because Gos said so.
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:54:14
: gospel Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:52:50
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:46:26
: gospel Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:40:38
: skmorrison6 Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 17:20:37
The Spirit has many functions as directed by the Father. You will note how often the Holy Spirit is defined by itself.
The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee Mary, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee" (Lk.1:35)
"The power of the Holy Spirit...mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God" (Rom.15:13,19)
"Our gospel (preaching) came...in power, and in the Holy Spirit" (1 Thess. 1:5).
The promise of the Holy Spirit to the disciples was spoken of as their being "endued with power from on high" (Lk. 24:49).
Jesus himself had been "anointed...with the Holy Spirit and with power" (Acts 10:38).
Paul could back up his preaching with undeniable displays of God's power: "My speech and my preaching was...in demonstration of the spirit and of power" (1 Cor. 2:4).
This post is revealing how Power is associated with the Holy Spirit only. There are many other aspects of the Holy Spirit but all of them can be defined the Power of the Most High.
It was that same Power which was endowed upon Jesus.
There's that JW association again
They too do not see Him as a person but as the power or the force of God
Coincidentally I suppose ::lookaround::
http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746 (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/a-promsed-son/msg918746/#msg918746)
So we have you on record denying the Holy Spirit is the Power of God also.
Nice going Gos!
Go back to your camp and tell them first and foremost The Holy Spirit is a Person!
Then come back and tell us what they said k?
I know...because Gos said so.
No if you did that you'd be more in error than ever...
So do it because Jesus consistently referred to Him as
HEHe will Comfort, He Will teach you , He will lead you He will show you, He will tell you what to say
If that's not enough
Do it because The Bible says
The Holy Spirit said "Set apart "Set apart for ME Barnabas and Saul
and because
Peter said why hath Satan filled thy heart to lie to the Holy
Spirit,
and because
The Holy Spirit said to Philip, "Go over and walk along beside the carriage."
and because
The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not
yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.
and because we do not fellowship with power but with beings
the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all
THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS THE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON
he has wisdom, knowledge, understanding ............ Isaiah 11:2
he hears, speaks, guides ...................................... John 16:13
he has a mind .................................. Romans 8:27, Acts 15:28
he knows things, teaches ........................ 1 Corinthians 2:11,13
he loves ................................... Romans 15:30, Galatians 5:22
he speaks ........................ Acts 8:29, 10:19, 13:2; Rev. 2:7, 2:17
he reveals things .............................. Luke 2:26, Ephesians 3:5
he leads, helps, intercedes ..................... Romans 8:14, 8:26-27
he has a will, distributes gifts .................... 1 Corinthians 12:11
he justifies (declares righteous!) ................. 1 Corinthians 6:11
he forbids ........................................................... Acts 16:6-7
he devises plans ................................................... Isaiah 30:1
he comforts ................................. Acts 9:31; John 14-16 (KJV)
he fellowships ................... Philippians 2:1, 2 Corinthians 13:14
he bears witness ............................... Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:6
he can be lied to, tested ...................................... Acts 5:3-4, 9
he can be insulted ........................................... Hebrews 10:29
he can be grieved (saddened) ............. Isaiah 63:10, Ephes. 4:30
he can be quenched (hindered) ............... 1 Thessalonians 5:19
Where'd all the "he"s come from? ... Or should they be "it"s?
: John Zain Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 18:44:34
THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS THE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON
he has wisdom, knowledge, understanding ............ Isaiah 11:2
he hears, speaks, guides ...................................... John 16:13
he has a mind .................................. Romans 8:27, Acts 15:28
he knows things, teaches ........................ 1 Corinthians 2:11,13
he loves ................................... Romans 15:30, Galatians 5:22
he speaks ........................ Acts 8:29, 10:19, 13:2; Rev. 2:7, 2:17
he reveals things .............................. Luke 2:26, Ephesians 3:5
he leads, helps, intercedes ..................... Romans 8:14, 8:26-27
he has a will, distributes gifts .................... 1 Corinthians 12:11
he justifies (declares righteous!) ................. 1 Corinthians 6:11
he forbids ........................................................... Acts 16:6-7
he devises plans ................................................... Isaiah 30:1
he comforts ................................. Acts 9:31; John 14-16 (KJV)
he fellowships ................... Philippians 2:1, 2 Corinthians 13:14
he bears witness ............................... Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:6
he can be lied to, tested ...................................... Acts 5:3-4, 9
he can be insulted ........................................... Hebrews 10:29
he can be grieved (saddened) ............. Isaiah 63:10, Ephes. 4:30
he can be quenched (hindered) ............... 1 Thessalonians 5:19
Where'd all the "he"s come from? ... Or should they be "it"s?
It's a power that comes from a person. I've seen what has happened to people that have blasphemed against the holy spirit and believe me when I tell you it is not pretty. Someone once lost a whole mouth full of teeth after saying some bad things about the holy spirit.
This is why it is very important not to judge a person because you never know who you are talking to or about, hence love your neighbor.
: John Zain Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 18:44:34
THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS THE ATTRIBUTES OF A PERSON
he has wisdom, knowledge, understanding ............ Isaiah 11:2
he hears, speaks, guides ...................................... John 16:13
he has a mind .................................. Romans 8:27, Acts 15:28
he knows things, teaches ........................ 1 Corinthians 2:11,13
he loves ................................... Romans 15:30, Galatians 5:22
he speaks ........................ Acts 8:29, 10:19, 13:2; Rev. 2:7, 2:17
he reveals things .............................. Luke 2:26, Ephesians 3:5
he leads, helps, intercedes ..................... Romans 8:14, 8:26-27
he has a will, distributes gifts .................... 1 Corinthians 12:11
he justifies (declares righteous!) ................. 1 Corinthians 6:11
he forbids ........................................................... Acts 16:6-7
he devises plans ................................................... Isaiah 30:1
he comforts ................................. Acts 9:31; John 14-16 (KJV)
he fellowships ................... Philippians 2:1, 2 Corinthians 13:14
he bears witness ............................... Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:6
he can be lied to, tested ...................................... Acts 5:3-4, 9
he can be insulted ........................................... Hebrews 10:29
he can be grieved (saddened) ............. Isaiah 63:10, Ephes. 4:30
he can be quenched (hindered) ............... 1 Thessalonians 5:19
Where'd all the "he"s come from? ... Or should they be "it"s?
Thanks---this is exactly what I was looking to post!
and because we do not fellowship with power but with beings
the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all
Don't you believe that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. -John 14:10
Now I am no longer in the world. They are in the world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, guard them by the power of your name, which you have given to me, so that they may be one, just as we are. -John 17
I united with them and you with me, so that they may be completely one -John 17
What we have seen and heard, we are proclaiming to you; so that you too may have fellowship with us.
Our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Yeshua the Messiah. -John 1:3
Two not three, if there were another "person" then surely he would be mentioned as part of our fellowship. In Christ our fellowship is full with God the Father and His Son.
For it pleased God to have his full being live in his Son and through his Son to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace through him, through having his Son shed his blood by being executed on a stake.he has now reconciled in the Son's physical body through his death; in order to present you holy and without defect or reproach before himselfTo them God wanted to make known how great among the Gentiles is the glorious richness of this secret. And the secret is this: the Messiah is united with you people! In that rests your hope of glory!My purpose is that they may be encouraged, that they may be joined together in love, and that they may have all the riches derived from being assured of understanding and fully knowing God's secret truth, which is - the Messiah!
It is in him that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden.Watch out, so that no one will take you captive by means of philosophy and empty deceit, following human tradition which accords with the elemental spirits of the world but does not accord with the Messiah.
For in him, bodily, lives the fullness of all that God is. And it is in union with him that you have been made full - he is the head of every rule and authority. Also it was in union with him that you were circumcised with a circumcision not done by human hands, but accomplished by stripping away the old nature's control over the body. In this circumcision done by the Messiah, you were buried along with him by being immersed; and in union with him, you were also raised up along with him by God's faithfulness that worked when he raised Yeshua from the dead. -Colossians
: BornToReign Wed Jul 20, 2011 - 21:06:43
and because we do not fellowship with power but with beings
the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all
Don't you believe that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; the Father living in me is doing his own works. -John 14:10
Now I am no longer in the world. They are in the world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, guard them by the power of your name, which you have given to me, so that they may be one, just as we are. -John 17
I united with them and you with me, so that they may be completely one -John 17
What we have seen and heard, we are proclaiming to you; so that you too may have fellowship with us.
Our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Yeshua the Messiah. -John 1:3
Two not three, if there were another "person" then surely he would be mentioned as part of our fellowship. In Christ our fellowship is full with God the Father and His Son.
For it pleased God to have his full being live in his Son and through his Son to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace through him, through having his Son shed his blood by being executed on a stake.
he has now reconciled in the Son's physical body through his death; in order to present you holy and without defect or reproach before himself
To them God wanted to make known how great among the Gentiles is the glorious richness of this secret. And the secret is this: the Messiah is united with you people! In that rests your hope of glory!
My purpose is that they may be encouraged, that they may be joined together in love, and that they may have all the riches derived from being assured of understanding and fully knowing God's secret truth, which is - the Messiah!
It is in him that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden.
Watch out, so that no one will take you captive by means of philosophy and empty deceit, following human tradition which accords with the elemental spirits of the world but does not accord with the Messiah.
For in him, bodily, lives the fullness of all that God is.
And it is in union with him that you have been made full - he is the head of every rule and authority. Also it was in union with him that you were circumcised with a circumcision not done by human hands, but accomplished by stripping away the old nature's control over the body. In this circumcision done by the Messiah, you were buried along with him by being immersed; and in union with him, you were also raised up along with him by God's faithfulness that worked when he raised Yeshua from the dead. -Colossians
BTR you are so close .....so close that personally I think you are majoring in a minor
today is the tomorrow you talked about yesterday
still all of them, are today
3 dimensions were established by God for us to navigate through the material / physical realm
That is how we consciously perceive
Both time and space are 3 dimensional, they are relative to a greater truth, a truth we cannot quite grasp or wrap our finite minds around...surely you see that ::shrug::
God has revealed Himself as a Father, The Son and His Spirit
They are ALL 3 ONE AND THE SAME
3 IN ONE
Jesus referred to the Father
Jesus referred to the Spirit of the Father
Each esteems the other more highly than themselves
Jesus prayed The Father to send Spirit of Promise, The Gift of the Father
Jesus in the Jordan, the Spirit descended the Father spoke
Why allow yourself to be thrown for a loop by misinterpreting other passages
Read my post in The Son of Promise where I refer to the Trinity according to Genesis 18
This is a spiritual thing not an intellectual one, it is has been made purposely ambiguous by God to confound the wise
Please
By the mercies of God do not be confounded my friend ::pray::
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.
I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell -Colo.1:19
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.
I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell -Colo.1:19
Tell us all, then...who was God speaking to when He said, "Let us make man in our image"??
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.
I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell -Colo.1:19
All of what you said is true and fine if you are done
Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that
even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him
Jesus made this clear and without question
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1
: gospel Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.
I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell -Colo.1:19
All of what you said is true and fine if you are done
Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that
even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him
Jesus made this clear and without question
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1
I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.
The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.
BornToReign~
Tell us all, then...who was God speaking to when He said, "Let us make man in our image"??
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:40:34
: gospel Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.
I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell -Colo.1:19
All of what you said is true and fine if you are done
Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that
even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him
Jesus made this clear and without question
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1
I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.
The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.
No you're not in error...just your math ::smile::
The Spirit is God, the Son is God, The Father is God...that's Jesus own mathematics so why would you reject it? ::shrug::
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19
: gospel Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:58:02
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:40:34
: gospel Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.
I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell -Colo.1:19
All of what you said is true and fine if you are done
Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that
even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him
Jesus made this clear and without question
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1
I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.
The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.
No you're not in error...just your math ::smile::
The Spirit is God, the Son is God, The Father is God...that's Jesus own mathematics so why would you reject it? ::shrug::
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19
Still offending people gospel. ::shrug::
Maybe you should turn the mirror around and take a hard look - - you might not like what others see! ::doh::
: gospel Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:58:02
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:40:34
: gospel Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.
I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell -Colo.1:19
All of what you said is true and fine if you are done
Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that
even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him
Jesus made this clear and without question
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1
I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.
The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.
No you're not in error...just your math ::smile::
The Spirit is God, the Son is God, The Father is God...that's Jesus own mathematics so why would you reject it? ::shrug::
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19
The name of Jesus.
Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, -Matt.28:19CJB
The reality that is Yeshua.
Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.Acts 8:16 ESV
for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48 ESV
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.Acts 19:5 ESV
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. -Phil. 2:9-11ESV
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 19:41:43
: gospel Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:58:02
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:40:34
: gospel Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 13:20:29
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:58:58
I'm done with this discussion gospel. No offence, I just have seen all I need to see in this area.
I have asked, read, seen and felt till my eyes burn and I only see or have been shown Two in One.
Jesus was The Fathers Tent when He was on earth. He was Yahweh's Icon. He was The Fathers Sacrifice for us. He was One and He became Two when Jesus was on earth and now He is One. I have one God, not three gods in one, but One true living God.
I am two for a time but the real me is one, the one inside, when I am set loose of my flesh I will become the one true me.
God became like us, Two for a time, the real Him was inside of Jesus the One that He revealed Himself to us humans through, and paved the road for the rest of us, so to speak, and now He is One.
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell -Colo.1:19
All of what you said is true and fine if you are done
Yet and still despite the inherent truth in all that you have and the sincerity of your beliefs the further and ultimate truth remains in that
even Jesus required The Spirit of God to be upon Him
Jesus made this clear and without question
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed,
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners; Isaiah 61:1
I really wish you would stop saying that I am in error. It is you that is in error.
The Spirit is God! He God is the Spirit.
No you're not in error...just your math ::smile::
The Spirit is God, the Son is God, The Father is God...that's Jesus own mathematics so why would you reject it? ::shrug::
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19
The name of Jesus.
Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, -Matt.28:19CJB
The reality that is Yeshua.
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. -Phil. 2:9-11ESV
Okay if you say so...but it seems to me that if Jesus meant only His Name
He would have said In the Name of the Son and left it at that!
Not the Name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit!
Common and spiritual sense should tell you that's just too many words to mean anything less than ALL OF WHAT HE SAID!
Your opinion requires interpretation of what He said
Christian Doctrine in this regard is based solely on what He actually said and not an interpretation of it
Here's some notes from
Barnes NotesBaptizing them unto the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by a solemn profession of the only true religion, and by a solemn consecration to the service of the sacred Trinity.
The union of these three names in the form of baptism proves that the Son and Holy Spirit are equal with the Father. Nothing would be more absurd or blasphemous than to unite the name of a creature - a man or an angel - with the name of the ever-living God in this solemn rite. If Jesus was a mere man or an angel, as is held by many who deny his divinity, and if the Holy Spirit was a mere "attribute" of God, then it would have been the height of absurdity to use a form like this, or to direct the apostles to baptize people under them. How absurd would be the direction - nay, how blasphemous - to have said, "Baptize them unto God, and unto Paul, and unto the "wisdom or power" of God!" Can we believe that our Saviour would have given a direction so absurd as this? Yet, unless he himself is divine, and the Holy Spirit is divine, Jesus gave a direction substantially the same as this. The form of baptism, therefore, has been always regarded as an unbreakable argument for the doctrine of the Trinity, or that the Son and Holy Spirit are equal with the Father.
Quote gospelOkay if you say so...but it seems to me that if Jesus meant only His Name
He would have said In the Name of the Son and left it at that!
Not the Name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit!
Common and spiritual sense should tell you that's just too many words to mean anything less than ALL OF WHAT HE SAID!
Your opinion requires interpretation of what He said
Christian Doctrine in this regard is based solely on what He actually said and not an interpretation of it
Thats the problem with common sense.
Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16 ESV
for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48 ESV
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.
Acts 19:5 ESV
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. -Phil. 2:9-11ESV
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 20:02:05
Quote gospel
Okay if you say so...but it seems to me that if Jesus meant only His Name
He would have said In the Name of the Son and left it at that!
Not the Name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit!
Common and spiritual sense should tell you that's just too many words to mean anything less than ALL OF WHAT HE SAID!
Your opinion requires interpretation of what He said
Christian Doctrine in this regard is based solely on what He actually said and not an interpretation of it
Thats the problem with common sense.
Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16 ESV
for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48 ESV
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.
Acts 19:5 ESV
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. -Phil. 2:9-11ESV
Okay BTR you are on record as believing there is no such thing as The Trinity is that correct?
I don't want to misquote you
So tell me if it is correct....
How does one get to be a moderator on a Christian Forum while not believing in The Trinity?
That's a pretty neat trick
Because from what I understand that violates Rule No 6 of the forum
Please explain
Also do you have any idea what happened to the Thread entitled
Can a Believer Be A Christian and Not Believe in the Trinity?
That was a historic thread in which Lighthammer and I actually agreed
It seems to have disappeared ::shrug::
Pretty strange
Please disregard my comments about the thread ....either it turned up or I was looking in the wrong place
: gospel Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:10:45
: BornToReign Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 20:02:05
Quote gospel
Okay if you say so...but it seems to me that if Jesus meant only His Name
He would have said In the Name of the Son and left it at that!
Not the Name of the Father AND of the Son AND of the Holy Spirit!
Common and spiritual sense should tell you that's just too many words to mean anything less than ALL OF WHAT HE SAID!
Your opinion requires interpretation of what He said
Christian Doctrine in this regard is based solely on what He actually said and not an interpretation of it
Thats the problem with common sense.
Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16 ESV
for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 10:48 ESV
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.
Acts 19:5 ESV
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. -Phil. 2:9-11ESV
Okay BTR you are on record as believing there is no such thing as The Trinity is that correct?
I don't want to misquote you
So tell me if it is correct....
How does one get to be a moderator on a Christian Forum while not believing in The Trinity?
That's a pretty neat trick
Because from what I understand that violates Rule No 6 of the forum
Please explain
Also do you have any idea what happened to the Thread entitled
Can a Believer Be A Christian and Not Believe in the Trinity?
That was a historic thread in which Lighthammer and I actually agreed
It seems to have disappeared ::shrug::
Pretty strange
Please disregard my comments about the thread ....either it turned up or I was looking in the wrong place
: gospel Thu Jul 21, 2011 - 12:27:05
Each esteems the other more highly than themselves
Gospel,
After reading this post I felt very saddened that you can read the Whole Bible and draw to such broad unsupported conclusions.
I know we don't see eye to eye...but how can I sit back and see you make such sweeping statements with few, if any Bible Quotes to support.
Now not all of your responses are likened to this one, but surely you can see after reading this post how generalised your thoughts can be at times.
Lets consider the above.
How many places in the New Testament do we have God the Father manifesting His approval of the Son? Like that of Luke 9:35 "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
Or "I am well pleased
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And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
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Jesus, the Son is the Word "made" flesh
and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his gloryIsaiah 48:11 ESV
For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.
Yeshua is God in the flesh.
I see it real clear now. I thought He was the Words of God in the flesh before, but I see the truth of it now.
Sometimes you can be told something or even read something and it just doesn't light up, and then you see it through the Spirit of God and you know it. even though it was there the whole time, so it really feels kinda goofy after you see, that you didn't see.
I knew Jesus died for me pretty much my whole life, I even believed it the whole time but, I didn't know it until 2007.
God is Spirit and He became flesh for a time then He returned to Himself Spirit.
He never stopped being Spirit, and that is why the Two are One.
1 John 1:3 ESV
that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1 John 5:6 ESV
[Testimony Concerning the Son of God] This is he who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
1 John 5:8 ESV
the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.
And these three are Two that are One God.
John 4:24 ESV
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
Romans 8:9 ESV
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
2 Corinthians 6:16 CJB
What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God - as God said,
"I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people."
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and brnig all things to your rememberance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 14:26
: p.rehbein Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:00:15
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and brnig all things to your rememberance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 14:26
Yes. And that comforter is God.
1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
Romans 8:9 ESV
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
2 Corinthians 6:16 CJB
What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God - as God said,
"I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people."
The only time He changed His form was when He became a man, but He never stopped being a Spirit.
Three makes body spirit spirit. The third man is a liar. The reality is Body Spirit. The body is temporal, the Spirit is eternal.
: BornToReign Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:07:42
: p.rehbein Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:00:15
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and brnig all things to your rememberance, whatsoever I have said unto you."
John 14:26
Yes. And that comforter is God.
1 Corinthians 6:19 ESV
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,
Romans 8:9 ESV
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
2 Corinthians 6:16 CJB
What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God - as God said,
"I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people."
Yes He is. He is God the Holy Ghost.
1) God the Father
2) God the Son
3) God the Holy Ghost
In he 14th Chapter of John, Jesus clearly establishes this fact and clearly speaks to God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. But then, that is my belief. I do not demand that EVERYONE must believe as I do. The Holy Trinity (3 persons in 1 in perfect harmony) is surely a mystery of the Scriptures. One day we will all have perfect understanding though and there will be no more mystery or variances in interpretations of Scripture.
God bless
: BornToReign Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:17:33
The only time He changed His form was when He became a man, but He never stopped being a Spirit.
Three makes body spirit spirit. The third man is a liar. The reality is Body Spirit. The body is temporal, the Spirit is eternal.
Yes the third is also spirit. Both godspellfeller and liyliyth stoned will tell you that he is their scapegoat. They need to believe there is a third voice so that they are "covered" when they corrupt the scripture with their wonton desires of the flesh. Also, Christ is no more flesh but Soul (which was poured out unto death) Spirit only, (2 Corinthians 5:16). All of the Passover Lamb was to be consumed by the partakers in the same night: NONE of it was to be left even to the next morning, (which is the same day in Hebrew reckoning).
::The B-I-B-L-E, yes that's th
: daq Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:44:46
godspellfeller
::The B-I-B-L-E, yes that's th
Vele is a good name to ponder.
: daq Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:44:46
: BornToReign Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:17:33
The only time He changed His form was when He became a man, but He never stopped being a Spirit.
Three makes body spirit spirit. The third man is a liar. The reality is Body Spirit. The body is temporal, the Spirit is eternal.
Yes the third is also spirit. Both godspellfeller and liyliyth stoned will tell you that he is their scapegoat. They need to believe there is a third voice so that they are "covered" when they corrupt the scripture with their wonton desires of the flesh. Also, Christ is no more flesh but Soul (which was poured out unto death) Spirit only, (2 Corinthians 5:16). All of the Passover Lamb was to be consumed by the partakers in the same night: NONE of it was to be left even to the next morning, (which is the same day in Hebrew reckoning).
::The B-I-B-L-E, yes that's th
Ok, now I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth here, but I want to understand what is being said:
1) you (who do not believe in the Holy Trinity) appear to be saying that your interpretation of Scripture is the only correct one.
2) you appear to be saying that if I do believe in the Holy Trinity, that my belief is a lie and the Holy Spirit (the third voice) is a liar.
3) By saying this, you appear to be saying that if I do not believe exactly as you do, that I am a liar, false Prophet/Teacher (whateve) and, as such, I am not saved. I am not a true Christian. I am not a child of God. For a liar, a false Teacher cannot be a child of God
4) In John, Chapter 14, Jesus said "Thine word is truth"...............He did not say "Thine word as interpreted by p.rehbein is Truth" nor did He say "Thine word as interpreted by BorntoReign, DAQ, (whoever) is Truth."
5) I stated earlier that I do not demand that everyone believe as I do. I respect the right of others to believe as they wish. If they interpret Scripture in a certain way and believe that way, GOOD FOR THEM! However, if I interpret the same Scripture in a different way, it means something different to me, then GOOD FOR ME! Just as you have the God given right to believe as you do, I have the God given right to believe as I do. Let us not delve into calling others liars or false teachers or whatever.
PROOF that the KJV is biased towards a "three person" idea of YHWH and thus the entire KJV translation of the NT is biased in this "direction" since the early 1600's.
Which text is correct? Both the KJV and YGB follow the "Textus Receptus" which is a single text from what I understand. However, the ASV, RSV, and many other more modern translations follow the "GNT Morph" which is a compilation of multiple texts; thus, making the GNT a more reliable source because the multiple sources agree, (which is why it is called the "Morph" Text). In the King James v.6 includes v.7 (in red) of the Morph Texts and v.7 of the KJV (in bold) does not exist anywhere else. The inferior Textus Receptus ADDED VERSE SEVEN:
1 John 5:6-8 KJV
6. This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1 John 6-8 ASV (American Standard)
6. This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood.
7. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
8. For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.
1 John 5:6-8 RSV (Revised Standard)
6. This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood.
7. And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
8. There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree.
1 John 5:6-8 TUA (GNT Morph Greek Transliteration)
6. Houtos estin ho elthon di hudatos kai haimatos,Iesous Christos, ouk en to hudati monon all en tohudati kai en to haimati, kai to Pneuma estin tomarturoun, hoti to Pneuma estin he aletheia.
6. This is he who came by water and blood, Yeshua Christos, not in the water only but in the water and the blood, and the Spirit is the witness, for the Spirit is the truth.
7. Hotitreis eisin hoi marturountes, {*}
7. For three they are which testify:
8. {*} to Pneuma kai tohudor kai to haima, kai hoi treis eis to hen eisin.
8. The Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and they three into the one they are.
1 John 5:6-8
6. This is he who came by water and blood, Yeshua Christos, not in the water only but in the water and the blood, and the Spirit is the witness, for the Spirit is the truth.
7. For three they are which testify:
8. The Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and they three into the one they are.
Spirit = Spirit of the Father first - Now also of the Son
Water = Word of the Father and of the Son
Blood = Soul of the Son poured out unto death - Christ
thank you for that interesting material. yet, you did not address the concerns I expressed in my post.
: p.rehbein Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 11:19:33
thank you for that interesting material. yet, you did not address the concerns I expressed in my post.
Why do I need to do that? I did not call you a liar, nor did I say there is "no Holy Spirit" or anything else like that. I am not the one deleting threads and posts full of Scripture. If there was an explanation it has now been deleted. Perhaps if that were not the case I might be able to send you to where your concerns were already addressed. Unfortunately I am not pasting everything I bring here like some others do and I do not have time to write it all out again. I know what I have been given, but if the powers that be feel that others do not deserve to hear what I have to offer then what is that to me? And why is it suddenly so important now? We both know Who we ultimately answer to.
: daq Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:44:46
: BornToReign Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 08:17:33
The only time He changed His form was when He became a man, but He never stopped being a Spirit.
Three makes body spirit spirit. The third man is a liar. The reality is Body Spirit. The body is temporal, the Spirit is eternal.
Yes the third is also spirit. Both godspellfeller and liyliyth stoned will tell you that he is their scapegoat. They need to believe there is a third voice so that they are "covered" when they corrupt the scripture with their wonton desires of the flesh. Also, Christ is no more flesh but Soul (which was poured out unto death) Spirit only, (2 Corinthians 5:16). All of the Passover Lamb was to be consumed by the partakers in the same night: NONE of it was to be left even to the next morning, (which is the same day in Hebrew reckoning).
::The B-I-B-L-E, yes that's th
Great! Good for you. Would you please explain this comment of yours? Are you denying the Holy Trinity exists?
You do understand that the Theou is YHWH correct?
Matthew 3:16
16. And being baptized, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
2 John 1:6-11 KJV
6. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Ok, not gonna get a direct answer. So let me say this. I believe in the Holy Trinity, that being God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. I do not demand or expect that anyone else believe as I do, I do however expect others to respect my belief just as I respect theirs.
If there are those that do not believe in The Holy Trinity, hey, that's their buisness, not mine. I will not tell them that they are not this or not that or whatever. It is not mine to judge them for their belief. That being said, I do believe in the Holy Trinity and others have no right to tell me I am not this or not that, it is not theirs to judge me for my belief.
Will you agree to this statement?
: daq Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 13:00:55
You do understand that the Theou is YHWH correct?
Matthew 3:16
16. And being baptized, the Yeshua went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of the Theou descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
2 John 1:6-11 KJV
6. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11. For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Amen.
The life appeared, and we have seen it. We are testifying to it and announcing it to you - eternal life!
He was with the Father, and he appeared to us. What we have seen and heard, we are proclaiming to you; so that you too may have fellowship with us.
Our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Yeshua the Messiah. We are writing these things so that our joy may be complete. And this is the message which we have heard from him and proclaim to you: God is light, and there is no darkness in him - none! -1 John 1:2-5
John 6:40 CJB
Yes, this is the will of my Father: that all who see the Son and trust in him should have eternal life, and that I should raise them up on the Last Day."
John 17:3 CJB
And eternal life is this: to know you, the one true God, and him whom you sent, Yeshua the Messiah.
1 John 5:11 CJB
And this is the witness: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
: p.rehbein Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 13:11:06
Ok, not gonna get a direct answer. So let me say this. I believe in the Holy Trinity, that being God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. I do not demand or expect that anyone else believe as I do, I do however expect others to respect my belief just as I respect theirs.
If there are those that do not believe in The Holy Trinity, hey, that's their buisness, not mine. I will not tell them that they are not this or not that or whatever. It is not mine to judge them for their belief. That being said, I do believe in the Holy Trinity and others have no right to tell me I am not this or not that, it is not theirs to judge me for my belief.
Will you agree to this statement?
Although I do agree with your statement in that everyone should have his or her right to their own opinion it is not me who has silenced anyone. And if your statement were true then why is it that I will be the one spending the remainder of my time here in the "Non-Traditional Theology" Forum? The following quote is from another thread now locked. You do not seem to understand that others of us here
REVERENCE and cherish the Word to no end. Yet you would force others to risk blaspheming by confessing something that you
CANNOT and
HAVE NOT and
WILL NOT prove in the Scriptures. Do you not know that anyone and everyone who attempts to prove the "trinity doctrine" ends up getting himself into trouble? Ask any true disciple, real pastor, or preacher who truly loves the Word: they will tell you to stay away from making bold claims if you fear YHWH, (in the good way of reverence).
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Quote] Anyone who claims to know what they speak of concerning Scripture doctrine should be capable of explaining how he or she has justified placing YHWH into a "triune" or "three personage" BOX. Can anyone here leveling the accusations explain his or her position knowing full well the following passages of Scripture? Certainly we have all read the passages quoted below and certainly anyone calling for the removal or banishment of others will be able to explain the following Scripture passages, especially when calling for the removal of others on the grounds that they are not saved, not Christians, and/or intentionally promoting false teachings concerning the trinity. If there is no explanation forthcoming from the accusers then who are truly the ones misleading new believers and others who are not so well versed in the Scriptures? Who are the ones who should be banished or sent away to a backroom board? Who are the ones pontificating about things that they, he, or she, knows absolutely nothing about? Let those ones be anathema for leveling false accusations if they cannot prove with the Scriptures what they are claiming.
1) Please explain why the Revelation of Yeshua reveals the seven Spirits of the Theou to the reader and how this concept incorporates into and/or results in a "triune" or "three person" Creator in light of the fact that seven personages are recorded:
Revelation 1:44. John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come;
and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;Seven Spirits ~ "hepta Pneumaton"Revelation 4:55. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and
there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne,
which are the seven Spirits of the Theou.
"hepta Pneumata tou Theou"Revelation 5:66. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having
seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of the Theou sent forth into all the earth."hepta Pneumata tou Theou"2) Also, in Revelation 3:1 Yeshua states that he has "the seven Spirits of the Theou". Please explain these seven "persona" Spirits of Theou which Yeshua has in light of a "three persona" doctrine.
Revelation 3:11. And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of the Theou, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
"hepta Pneumata tou Theou"3) Also, from the passage above, it appears that the seven Spirits may in fact be the same as the seven stars; and yet the seven stars are the seven messengers of the seven churches. Please explain how the seven messengers to the seven churches being the seven Spirits of Theou would fit into a "three persona" doctrine since you have it all figured out and are now calling for those to be banished who disagree with your doctrine. Your answers to these things are imperative for the rest of us.
Revelation 1:2020. The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks.
The seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
[End quote.However, I do not mind being thrust "outside of the camp" for the sake of the Name of Yeshua and his doctrine, in fact, I count it an honor.
Where I don't usually quote or comment on Revelations.
This is one where Jesus/God directly contradicts what Caesar said about himself.
Caesar claimed to hold the seven stars in his hand...named after their gods.
Caesar claimed to be above all of the gods.
Jesus was claiming the same thing...cept Jesus was right and that their gods were no gods at all.
: daq Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 14:12:14
However, I do not mind being thrust "outside of the camp" for the sake of the Name of Yeshua and his doctrine, in fact, I count it an honor.
The name of the city is Skopje.
When the truth testifies about Jesus (name begins with a V too) and God, we will be providing information that isn't in the bible. If it was in the bible already, we would all agree and already know these things.
From DAQ:
Although I do agree with your statement in that everyone should have his or her right to their own opinion it is not me who has silenced anyone. And if your statement were true then why is it that I will be the one spending the remainder of my time here in the "Non-Traditional Theology" Forum? The following quote is from another thread now locked. You do not seem to understand that others of us here REVERENCE and cherish the Word to no end. Yet you would force others to risk blaspheming by confessing something that you CANNOT and HAVE NOT and WILL NOT prove in the Scriptures. Do you not know that anyone and everyone who attempts to prove the "trinity doctrine" ends up getting himself into trouble? Ask any true disciple, real pastor, or preacher who truly loves the Word: they will tell you to stay away from making bold claims if you fear YHWH, (in the good way of reverence).
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This is as confusing to me as some of the other comments.
1) I gave you the Scriptures which the belief of the Holy Trinity is based on. They are all listed in Rule 6. I have posted them several times. Now, I DO NOT SAY that you have to believe them because I do. However, I am obligated to point out the Rules that Admin has established for the Forums that he owns. The Rules (if this is what you are referring to) are his rules. That being said however, I do believe in the Scriptures referenced in those rules as being Biblical evidence of the Holy Trinity.
2) How would I "force others to risk blaspheming"? If you are referring to the Holy Spirit and blaspheme against Him being the unpardonable sin, then that is strange. I have read many times that youall believe that God the Father and the Holy Spirit are one entity and not two parts of the Holy Trinity. Seems I read that there was one Spirit and one Flesh ------ 1 + 1 = 1? The only way I can envision this is that God the Father would actually be God the Holy Spirit Father yes? Then there would be God the Holy Spirit Father and Jesus who is no longer flesh as He has ascended to the Throne of God the Father and is now again Spirit so the formula 1 + 1 = 1? I do not wish to tempt anyone into blaspheme, I'm trying to understand your stated beliefs. If you feel it would be dangerous to state your beliefs, then DO NOT DO IT! God bless you for that.
Maybe it is easier for me to visualize this as a stool. As I see/understad it, you believe that the Godhead is a two-legged stool and I (believing in the Holy Trinity) believe the Godhead to be a three-leged stool.
3) No one is forcing you to stay here in the Non-Traditional Theology Forum. The reason for this PARTICULAR SUBJECT being placed here is because it BEST FITS THIS FORUM. Notice that anyone who wishes to discuss this issue has had to do so here. Given the amount of hard feelings that were being generated all over the Forums, this was the best solution for all concerned. Everyone has a chance to express/explain their beliefs. What matters it that it's in this particular Forum? You can certainly discuss topics posted in any of the other forums..........Politics, News of the World, General Discussion, shoot, don't you post in the psychology forum?
4) You said:
You do not seem to understand that others of us here REVERENCE and cherish the Word to no end
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What I can say to this is right back atcha! I never made a statement that my belief was THE TRUTH which is a round about way of saying that anyone who disagreed with me did not believe in the truth. I have never said that your beliefs were false or a lie, yet there are comments on this thread which surely imply that my beliefs are a lie.
5) I have not silenced anyone.............this conversation/thread is getting much attention and who knows? It may do a lot of good for someone...............
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skopje (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skopje)
The two religions that have had the greatest influence on the city are Orthodox Christianity, represented by the Diocese of Skopje, under the Macedonian Orthodox Church, and Islam. There also are smaller minorities of Catholics, Protestants and Jews.[51]
Church of St. Panteleimon.
Skopje has a diversity of churches and monasteries built in different styles - from Byzantine to modern architecture. One of the Byzantine examples is the Church of St. Panteleimon in Gorno Nerezi, near Skopje. The church contains Comnenian art and it was finished in the 1164. The church is known for its frescoes, representing a pinnacle of the 12th-century trend of intimacy and spirituality. They are often compared with similarly delicate works by Giotto, who worked 140 years later.[69] Another notable example of Byzantine architecture is Marko's Monastery which was built by Prince Marko in the 1366. The Churches of St. Nikita and St. Andrea both date from the 1300s and share Byzantine characteristics. The Church of Holy Mother of God was built in 1204 and later completely destroyed in a fire. The old church was previously rebuilt and consecrated in 1835, but destroyed during the 1963 Skopje earthquake. The present-day church's reconstruction began on 2 October 2002.[69] Despite Ottoman policies prohibiting the building of churches, there are a few churches in Skopje built during that period. The Church of Holy Salvation was built in the 16th century and is located between the Old Bazaar and Skopje Fortress. The revolutionary Goce Delčev is buried in the church courtyard. The Church of Saint Demetrius was built in the 18th century on the grounds of an older church from the 13th century. This church was an Orthodox cathedral church before the construction of the present-day cathedral church of St. Clement of Ohrid, which is an example of modern architecture. Built in 1972, the church was consecrated in 1990, on the 1150th anniversary of the birth of the church patron, St. Clement of Ohrid.[69] There is also a Catholic church named Holy Heart of Jesus in the center of the city.
The largest concentration of the mosques in the city is in the Old Bazaar, a part of the city with typical Ottoman Islamic architecture. One of the most eminent mosques is the Mustapha Pasha Mosque which was built in 1492 by Mustafa Paşa on an older Christian site.[70] It is an endowment of Mustapha Pasha, an eminent figure in the Turkish state during the rule of Sultan Bayezid II and Sultan Selim I.[71] Other important mosque include Isa Bey Mosque. Situated on the outskirts of the bazaar, this mosque was built as a memorial for Isa Bey after his death. The mosque has two dominant domes and five smaller ones above the porch area. The Ishak Bey Mosque was constructed in 1439 in the northern part of the Old Bazaar. The mosque's minaret rises 30 meters (98.4 feet). Ishak Bey, who retired in the city, is buried in the türbe behind the mosque.
: JohnDB Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 14:44:19
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skopje (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skopje)
The two religions that have had the greatest influence on the city are Orthodox Christianity, represented by the Diocese of Skopje, under the Macedonian Orthodox Church, and Islam. There also are smaller minorities of Catholics, Protestants and Jews.[51]
Church of St. Panteleimon.
Skopje has a diversity of churches and monasteries built in different styles - from Byzantine to modern architecture. One of the Byzantine examples is the Church of St. Panteleimon in Gorno Nerezi, near Skopje. The church contains Comnenian art and it was finished in the 1164. The church is known for its frescoes, representing a pinnacle of the 12th-century trend of intimacy and spirituality. They are often compared with similarly delicate works by Giotto, who worked 140 years later.[69] Another notable example of Byzantine architecture is Marko's Monastery which was built by Prince Marko in the 1366. The Churches of St. Nikita and St. Andrea both date from the 1300s and share Byzantine characteristics. The Church of Holy Mother of God was built in 1204 and later completely destroyed in a fire. The old church was previously rebuilt and consecrated in 1835, but destroyed during the 1963 Skopje earthquake. The present-day church's reconstruction began on 2 October 2002.[69] Despite Ottoman policies prohibiting the building of churches, there are a few churches in Skopje built during that period. The Church of Holy Salvation was built in the 16th century and is located between the Old Bazaar and Skopje Fortress. The revolutionary Goce Delčev is buried in the church courtyard. The Church of Saint Demetrius was built in the 18th century on the grounds of an older church from the 13th century. This church was an Orthodox cathedral church before the construction of the present-day cathedral church of St. Clement of Ohrid, which is an example of modern architecture. Built in 1972, the church was consecrated in 1990, on the 1150th anniversary of the birth of the church patron, St. Clement of Ohrid.[69] There is also a Catholic church named Holy Heart of Jesus in the center of the city.
The largest concentration of the mosques in the city is in the Old Bazaar, a part of the city with typical Ottoman Islamic architecture. One of the most eminent mosques is the Mustapha Pasha Mosque which was built in 1492 by Mustafa Paşa on an older Christian site.[70] It is an endowment of Mustapha Pasha, an eminent figure in the Turkish state during the rule of Sultan Bayezid II and Sultan Selim I.[71] Other important mosque include Isa Bey Mosque. Situated on the outskirts of the bazaar, this mosque was built as a memorial for Isa Bey after his death. The mosque has two dominant domes and five smaller ones above the porch area. The Ishak Bey Mosque was constructed in 1439 in the northern part of the Old Bazaar. The mosque's minaret rises 30 meters (98.4 feet). Ishak Bey, who retired in the city, is buried in the türbe behind the mosque.
His village is high on a mountain just outside Skopje. One of Pauls first churches is there but it has been closed for years. He has had the house for over 2,000 years and it has never been sold.
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FYI...I cleaned this thread earlier...no one else that I am aware of did it.
But if they did...they did because they found someone to be in violation of the rules of this forum.
As I am going to lock this thread and clean it up again for the second time by the same posters who don't seem to get the message to not post the things that they seem bent on posting that violate the rules of this forum.
Specifically accusing anyone of anything at anytime. or name calling.
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This fits here.
QuoteJohn 16:7-15 KJV
7. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9. Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10. Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11. Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
"He shall glorify me"Who has the power to glorify?? Who?
Isaiah 48:11 ESV
For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.
John 13:32 ESV
If God is glorified in him, God will also glorify him in himself, and glorify him at once.
for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speakJohn 15:15 ESV
No longer do I call you servants, for the servantdoes not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.
John 14:10 ESV
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.
And many many think think there is an extra spirit, they think and teach that He is "another" but not Himself. ::frown::
They Two are One. Body and Spirit. There is no third person or third spirit, the trinity is a mistake from men's minds.
Colossians 2:9 ESV
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.