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Spiritual doors have been opened that are causing this once illustrious forum to descend from being a Christian forum....

into a forum where The Faith of Our Lord Christ Jesus is being compromised at every turn

His Deity, His Sinless Perfection, The Purity of His Blood, His Pre-Existence and all manner of His Character have been castigated in one way or another

Rather than discussing the meaning of what He stated we are expending most of our posts just  debating and defending Him!


This forum is more and more simply allowing the Gospel to be shredded and reassembled into a New Age, Humanistic politically correct version of Christian Doctrine

Quite sad

When there is no difference in beliefs between a Christian and a JW or a Christian and a Muslim

You can delete this if you like, I just had to state it and get it off my chest

Now that its been said

My hands are clean

I can only pray ::pray::

Instead of speaking in vague generalities, please provide specifics.

YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

: JohnDB  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:20:30
YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity have been being debated for quite some time

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:10:10
Spiritual doors have been opened that are causing this once illustrious forum to descend from being a Christian forum....

into a forum where The Faith of Our Lord Christ Jesus is being compromised at every turn

His Deity, His Sinless Perfection, The Purity of His Blood, His Pre-Existence and all manner of His Character have been castigated in one way or another

Rather than discussing the meaning of what He stated we are expending most of our posts just  debating and defending Him!


This forum is more and more simply allowing the Gospel to be shredded and reassembled into a New Age, Humanistic politically correct version of Christian Doctrine

Quite sad

When there is no difference in beliefs between a Christian and a JW or a Christian and a Muslim

You can delete this if you like, I just had to state it and get it off my chest

Now that its been said

My hands are clean

I can only pray ::pray::

I have no idea to what you are referring...........possibly some thread on the theology forum?  The comments there?  Personally, I find your conclusions groundless.  I find ample statements pretty much every day that support the Gospel of Jesus Christ and that alone seperates us from the Muslim beliefs.  Given the numerous theological beliefs represented here, there will always be some difference of opinion.  Where has the faith of Jesus been compromised?  How?  This is a very general statement/charge you have made and I would like to know the reason(s) behind them?

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:24:45

: JohnDB  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:20:30
YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity have been being debated for quite some time

I can understand this point, however we have many members and not all of them are Christians.  Are we to turn away those who do not believe or understand the Deity of Christ and/or the Trinity?  Should we not talk with them and teach them?  It may not change their minds, but there are hundreds of people who visis us every day and what if our talks about this serve to lead them to Christ?

Ok

Hypothetically if you have someone who  professes to be Christian consistently stating that Jesus is a created being like you and I

and You don't think that's a problem?

or

If you have someone who professes to be a Christian that consistently professes disbelief in The Trinity

You don't think that's a problem?


Lets leave it there


I retract my statement

For if those are not problems for you....

they are certainly not mine

: p.rehbein  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:29:39

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:24:45

: JohnDB  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:20:30
YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity have been being debated for quite some time

I can understand this point, however we have many members and not all of them are Christians.  Are we to turn away those who do not believe or understand the Deity of Christ and/or the Trinity?  Should we not talk with them and teach them?  It may not change their minds, but there are hundreds of people who visis us every day and what if our talks about this serve to lead them to Christ?

In the past I have seen them be identified by moderators and them and their diatribes of their doctrine were directed to the proper pages of the forum

As to not confuse their doctrine with mainstream Christian doctrine

That's what I have seen

Lately however some people have been banned for not speaking nicely or in a politically correct manner

However a JW or a Muslim can come and say anything they want in the theology forum be identified as not Christian doctrine and still allowed to continue

Confusion I say, nothing but confusion especially for the newbies


But then again their is no Creed to agree to when joining the forum so people take advantage of it and pretend to be Christian then go on to say whatever they want

If it's no problem for you

then its no problem for me

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:34:06
Ok

Hypothetically if you have someone who  professes to be Christian consistently stating that Jesus is a created being like you and I

and You don't think that's a problem?

or

If you have someone who professes to be a Christian that consistently professes disbelief in The Trinity

You don't think that's a problem?


Lets leave it there


I retract my statement

For if those are not problems for you....

they are certainly not mine

I didn't say it wasn't a problem for me, that's why we are charged to be defenders of the Faith.  We can either take such an opportunity to reveal the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or we can simply ignore such comments.  In my opinion, these types of comments are not nearly the majority here at Grace Centered.  Rather, they are the minority.  The rules set forth by Admin are our guidelines and we try to enforce them as best we can.

: p.rehbein  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:41:29

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:34:06
Ok

Hypothetically if you have someone who  professes to be Christian consistently stating that Jesus is a created being like you and I

and You don't think that's a problem?

or

If you have someone who professes to be a Christian that consistently professes disbelief in The Trinity

You don't think that's a problem?


Lets leave it there


I retract my statement

For if those are not problems for you....

they are certainly not mine

I didn't say it wasn't a problem for me, that's why we are charged to be defenders of the Faith.  We can either take such an opportunity to reveal the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or we can simply ignore such comments.  In my opinion, these types of comments are not nearly the majority here at Grace Centered.  Rather, they are the minority.  The rules set forth by Admin are our guidelines and we try to enforce them as best we can.

Au contrare mon ami

We have posters dominating the theology board consistently debasing the Trinity and the Deity of Christ Jesus

Hence my frustration and reason for posting

I'd prefer to debate and disagree about Christian doctrine

Not defend the basic foundation and major planks of it

That's just me...others may disagree

Its up to you folks if you want the forum can be a place where we debate JW theology, Universalism and the merits of Islam

I always thought it was for Christian theology

Tell me where the offending comments/threads are to be found.  Those that violate Rule 6 as stated below, and I will take the necessary action to enforce the Rules as established by Admin.

Rule No. 6 - This is a "Christian Forum"

6.1 This is a best described as a "Christian-only" message forum. However, administration reserves the right to allow members of other religions if deemed productive. To have a "Christians only" forum, we need to define who can post. Therefore, we need a set of criteria that clearly defines who a Christian is for the purposes of posting. This is not for any other reason. We are not speculating as to a person's salvation, faith or beliefs. This rule is not intended to label a member as "non-Christian".

6.2 We do not expect members to accept or affirm this as a Creed as Grace-Centered recognizes no Creed but the Bible. We do, however, expect members to agree to the content below only because it is based on the Bible.

6.3 An Adaptation of The Nicene Creed (with scriptural references as it is based on the Bible):

We believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)
Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)

We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. (Ephesians 4: 5; Acts 2: 38)
We look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11: 24; 1 Corinthians 15: 12-49; Hebrews 6: 2; Revelation 20: 5)
and the life in the age to come. (Mark 10: 29-30)

AMEN. (Psalm 106: 48)

: p.rehbein  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:29:39

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:24:45

: JohnDB  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:20:30
YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity have been being debated for quite some time

I can understand this point, however we have many members and not all of them are Christians.  Are we to turn away those who do not believe or understand the Deity of Christ and/or the Trinity?  Should we not talk with them and teach them?  It may not change their minds, but there are hundreds of people who visis us every day and what if our talks about this serve to lead them to Christ?

At one point this was to a board that wad a haven for Christians and the rules at registration require agreement with a set of scriptures.  Atheists were routinely and swiftly banned.  I believe the non-traditional theology portion of this board, instead of swift bannings has been a monumental detriment to this board.

The difference between beliefnet and gcm is getting smaller.

Tell me where the offending comments/threads are to be found.  Those that violate Rule 6 as stated below, and I will take the necessary action to enforce the Rules as established by Admin.

Thanks however I'll pass on plying through the plethora of posts to weed out the offensive ones but going forward I will point them out as they occur

If I appear to be hyper sensitive in the posts I point out to you in the future I am sure you or someone will let me know

Also I understand that some differences are helpful as the rules state " if they are productive"

But a continual denial of The Trinity or the Deity of Christ I cannot see as being helpful in any way in a Christian setting

Thanks for reassuring me of Grace Forums integrity in this matter

I hope others will speak up as well

As to not allow me to feel as if I am alone in my concern

I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

Any member, ANY MEMBER that reads a comment/post here that is in direct violation of our Rules ALSO has the obligtion to report said comment/post to the Mods.  We cannot possibly read each and every comment/post.  We do as best we can.  If you report it, it will be reviewed by the Mods and whatever action is required, I ASSURE YOU it will be taken.

P.Rehbein

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:55:49

Tell me where the offending comments/threads are to be found.  Those that violate Rule 6 as stated below, and I will take the necessary action to enforce the Rules as established by Admin.

Thanks however I'll pass on plying through the plethora of posts to weed out the offensive ones but going forward I will point them out as they occur

If I appear to be hyper sensitive in the posts I point out to you in the future I am sure you or someone will let me know

Also I understand that some differences are helpful as the rules state " if they are productive"

But a continual denial of The Trinity or the Deity of Christ I cannot see as being helpful in any way in a Christian setting

Thanks for reassuring me of Grace Forums integrity in this matter

I hope others will speak up as well

As to not allow me to feel as if I am alone in my concern

No, you are not alone in your concerns.

Somebody just denied that Christ resurrected in my Theology thread about being bound and sealed with God, can't remember the title. It was the most unchristian thing I had ever read, I am so offended that I want to put that poster on an ignore list so I don't have to read how she denies Christ anymore.

Is there an ignore poster option?

: p.rehbein  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:58:59
I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

Not avoiding your question

A promised son thread would be a good start

: Bitter Sweet  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:09:16
Somebody just denied that Christ resurrected in my Theology thread about being bound and sealed with God, can't remember the title. It was the most unchristian thing I had ever read, I am so offended that I want to put that poster on an ignore list so I don't have to read how she denies Christ anymore.

Is there an ignore poster option?

You are telling a lie.

: p.rehbein  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:58:59
I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

Please clean this thread up next; Theology
How can something that God has sealed be unbound?

: Bitter Sweet  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:22:22

: p.rehbein  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:58:59
I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

Please clean this thread up next; Theology
How can something that God has sealed be unbound?

You may disagree or misunderstand her comments  but your statement about Lively Stone's beliefs is both unwarranted and unsubstantiated

Please do not trivialize my reason for starting this topic


Thanks  ::tippinghat::

I think that having one continuous thread where people can go and air their beliefs on the Trinity, etc, is fine, but to have a number of them open up about that topic or to have existing threads on other topics devolve into that kind of recurring debate should not be allowed.

: Bitter Sweet  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:22:22

: p.rehbein  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:58:59
I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

Please clean this thread up next; Theology
How can something that God has sealed be unbound?

Thank You!

p.rehbein

Also I hate to say this but some threads or comments have been mysteriously disappearing as of late.

I don't know enough to accuse anyone of anything, it could be just a server issue but I know for a fact one of my posts disappeared and I was able to go into my latest posts and find a copy of it and re-post it

Now today I noticed an entire thread I started is missing

I could've sworn I started a thread entitled

Does A believer have to believe in the Trinity to Be a Christian or something like that


Maybe I'm just overlooking it but I cannot seem to find it

Hopefully I am wrong but I've gone through most of the pages several times

So far to no avail

Sadly I suspect one of the mods has over extended their authority either that or your server tripped out and deleted it by itself  ::shrug::

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:34:58

You may disagree or misunderstand her comments  but your statement about Lively Stone's beliefs is both unwarranted and unsubstantiated

Please do not trivialize my reason for starting this topic


Thanks  ::tippinghat::

Oh no, I did not misunderstand when she said Christ isn't resurrected. He died only 1 time, resurrected and has lived on since then. No Christian will deny that Christ has risen.

: Bitter Sweet  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:53:38

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:34:58

You may disagree or misunderstand her comments  but your statement about Lively Stone's beliefs is both unwarranted and unsubstantiated

Please do not trivialize my reason for starting this topic


Thanks  ::tippinghat::

Oh no, I did not misunderstand when she said Christ isn't resurrected. He died only 1 time, resurrected and has lived on since then. No Christian will deny that Christ has risen.

You are misunderstanding, and perhaps on purpose and causing trouble. Stop it.

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

It is your choice of words that causes confusion, so that when someone addresses you, you misunderstand them. You have no right to bear false witness around here. Now take your concerns elsewhere and let this thread carry on.

: Bitter Sweet  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:53:38

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:34:58

You may disagree or misunderstand her comments  but your statement about Lively Stone's beliefs is both unwarranted and unsubstantiated

Please do not trivialize my reason for starting this topic


Thanks  ::tippinghat::

Oh no, I did not misunderstand when she said Christ isn't resurrected. He died only 1 time, resurrected and has lived on since then. No Christian will deny that Christ has risen.

You without a doubt are misunderstanding Lively who is a person that has been in the forum for quite a while now...

.... so most of us know what Lively believes and what Lively does not believe,

What you are accusing Lively of not believing is incorrect and a misunderstanding on your part.

I suggest you should ask Lively what she meant rather than flying off on a wild accusation

: JMT  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:04:22

: Lively Stone  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:56:41

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  ::clappingoverhead:: and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

: Catholica  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:07:04

: JMT  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:04:22

: Lively Stone  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:56:41

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  ::clappingoverhead:: and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

It doesn't.  Hmm...maybe you are right.  Let me go check back, because I could have sworn I remember reading that.  It could be that I understood it it mean that because of the "as the angels are" comment though.  ::blushing::

Never mind folks I found the thread...  sorry for the unwarranted suspicion

Lot of that going around these parts...its catching!

::blushing::

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:19:39
Never mind folks I found the thread...  sorry for the unwarranted suspicion

Lot of that going around these parts...its catching!

::blushing::

That's OK! You deserve a hug today....

(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/Floatingaxe/Hugs/Hugs-2.jpg)

: JMT  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:09:14

: Catholica  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:07:04

: JMT  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:04:22

: Lively Stone  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:56:41

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  ::clappingoverhead:: and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

It doesn't.  HM...maybe you are right.  Let me go check back, because I could have sworn I remember reading that.  It could be that I understood it it mean that because of the "as the angels are" comment though.  ::blushing::

Well...it looks like it will be a mystery about gender in Heaven, because there is nothing that says definitively either way...SO to amend my earlier statement...It is my understanding and personal belief that there will be no gender in Heaven, because we will be made like the angels.  ::smile:: (not the Lord, but I IOW LOL)

A good argument for gender is that Christ retained His masculine qualities after resurrection...

and one against is the verse that tells us there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus.  

::shrug::

::smile::

Considering we are all on different levels of learning and understanding there are bound to be different views regarding the 'Word of God.

Why should some be 'forced into another's Belief , castigated or banned ?
Are we not to follow Christ rather than be dictated to by men ? By all means make your point but

Let us be more tolerant and stop these horrible arguements and accusations !  ::kissing:: ::smile::

: Beta  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 21:32:13
Considering we are all on different levels of learning and understanding there are bound to be different views regarding the 'Word of God.

Why should some be 'forced into another's Belief , castigated or banned ?
Are we not to follow Christ rather than be dictated to by men ? By all means make your point but

Let us be more tolerant and stop these horrible arguements and accusations !  ::kissing:: ::smile::

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

Blessings, to one and all.

Can we  rename it Roman Catholic forum or not?That way I cannot post anything anti-Roman Catholic.

: Beta  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 21:32:13
Considering we are all on different levels of learning and understanding there are bound to be different views regarding the 'Word of God.

Why should some be 'forced into another's Belief , castigated or banned ?
Are we not to follow Christ rather than be dictated to by men ? By all means make your point but

Let us be more tolerant and stop these horrible arguements and accusations !  ::kissing:: ::smile::

If you don't like the rules, then why did you agree to them by virtue of completing an account?

: Joyfullee  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 21:58:29

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Could be.

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

That isn't happening.

: Joyfullee  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 21:58:29

: Beta  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 21:32:13
Considering we are all on different levels of learning and understanding there are bound to be different views regarding the 'Word of God.

Why should some be 'forced into another's Belief , castigated or banned ?
Are we not to follow Christ rather than be dictated to by men ? By all means make your point but

Let us be more tolerant and stop these horrible arguements and accusations !  ::kissing:: ::smile::

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

Blessings, to one and all.

Seems like you are throwing a childish hissy fit.  If you have a problem with the moderation, why not follow the rules and message the moderators?

: Lively Stone  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 22:01:45

: Joyfullee  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 21:58:29

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Could be.

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

That isn't happening.

Of course it is and God can see it too.

People can deceive themselves and sometimes others, but never God.

Blessings

: Joyfullee  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 22:06:09

: Lively Stone  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 22:01:45

: Joyfullee  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 21:58:29

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Could be.

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

That isn't happening.

Of course it is and God can see it too.

People can deceive themselves and sometimes others, but never God.

Blessings

It definitely isn't happening here. In fact the opposite is happening.

Demons.....leave this thread.......  ::liturgy::


...are they gone yet?  ::lookaround::



::eatingpopcorn:

Red-bold emphasis mine ~

: p.rehbein  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:48:47
We believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)
Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)

We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. (Ephesians 4: 5; Acts 2: 38)
We look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11: 24; 1 Corinthians 15: 12-49; Hebrews 6: 2; Revelation 20: 5)
and the life in the age to come. (Mark 10: 29-30)

AMEN. (Psalm 106: 48)

I have read all of this and all of these things I believe and adhere to, (without going into "personages"). Yet I have seen no one else here so far willing to admit to all of this openly after it was posted on Page 1 of this thread. After successfully proving the case against another poster, (who was denying the Deity of Christ) why then have you now succeeded in getting that thread removed "gospel"? You should have left well enough alone because he was shown to be in error, the problem is that so were you, and that by the Scripture.

Red-bold emphasis mine ~

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:47:13

: p.rehbein  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:41:29

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 14:34:06
Ok

Hypothetically if you have someone who  professes to be Christian consistently stating that Jesus is a created being like you and I

and You don't think that's a problem?

or

If you have someone who professes to be a Christian that consistently professes disbelief in The Trinity

You don't think that's a problem?

I didn't say it wasn't a problem for me, that's why we are charged to be defenders of the Faith.  We can either take such an opportunity to reveal the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or we can simply ignore such comments.  In my opinion, these types of comments are not nearly the majority here at Grace Centered.  Rather, they are the minority.  The rules set forth by Admin are our guidelines and we try to enforce them as best we can.

Au contrare mon ami

We have posters dominating the theology board consistently debasing the Trinity and the Deity of Christ Jesus

Hence my frustration and reason for posting

I'd prefer to debate and disagree about Christian doctrine

Not defend the basic foundation and major planks of it

That's just me...others may disagree

Its up to you folks if you want the forum can be a place where we debate JW theology, Universalism and the merits of Islam

I always thought it was for Christian theology

: gospel  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:50:26
p.rehbein

Also I hate to say this but some threads or comments have been mysteriously disappearing as of late.

I don't know enough to accuse anyone of anything, it could be just a server issue but I know for a fact one of my posts disappeared and I was able to go into my latest posts and find a copy of it and re-post it

Now today I noticed an entire thread I started is missing

I could've sworn I started a thread entitled

Does A believer have to believe in the Trinity to Be a Christian or something like that


Maybe I'm just overlooking it but I cannot seem to find it

Hopefully I am wrong but I've gone through most of the pages several times

So far to no avail

Sadly I suspect one of the mods has over extended their authority either that or your server tripped out and deleted it by itself  ::shrug::

As for that thread I was going to post the following comments there but perhaps this thread is just as appropriate seeing how you continue to level the same accusations here. You have no right to call anyone an imposter (the accusation of "posing as a Christian" means the same thing) just because they do not agree with your version of a "three personage" trinity. If you cannot answer to the following, (and since you claim to know all about that what you speak in so much that you call for the expulsion of others) then perhaps you are the one who should be shunned.

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Anyone who claims to know what they speak of concerning Scripture doctrine should be capable of explaining how he or she has justified placing YHWH into a "triune" or "three personage" BOX. Can anyone here leveling the accusations explain his or her position knowing full well the following passages of Scripture? Certainly we have all read the passages quoted below and certainly anyone calling for the removal or banishment of others will be able to explain the following Scripture passages, especially when calling for the removal of others on the grounds that they are not saved, not Christians, and/or intentionally promoting false teachings concerning the trinity. If there is no explanation forthcoming from the accusers then who are truly the ones misleading new believers and others who are not so well versed in the Scriptures? Who are the ones who should be banished or sent away to a backroom board? Who are the ones pontificating about things that they, he, or she, knows absolutely nothing about? Let those ones be anathema for leveling false accusations if they cannot prove with the Scriptures what they are claiming.

1) Please explain why the Revelation of Yeshua reveals the seven Spirits of the Theou to the reader and how this concept incorporates into and/or results in a "triune" or "three person" Creator in light of the fact that seven personages are recorded:

Revelation 1:4
4.  John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Seven Spirits  ~  "hepta Pneumaton"

Revelation 4:5
5.  And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of the Theou.

"hepta Pneumata tou Theou"

Revelation 5:6
6.  And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of the Theou sent forth into all the earth.

"hepta Pneumata tou Theou"

2) Also, in Revelation 3:1 Yeshua states that he has "the seven Spirits of the Theou". Please explain these seven "persona" Spirits of Theou which Yeshua has in light of a "three persona" doctrine.

Revelation 3:1
1.  And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of the Theou, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

"hepta Pneumata tou Theou"

3) Also, from the passage above, it appears that the seven Spirits may in fact be the same as the seven stars; and yet the seven stars are the seven messengers of the seven churches. Please explain how the seven messengers to the seven churches being the seven Spirits of Theou would fit into a "three persona" doctrine since you have it all figured out and are now calling for those to be banished who disagree with your doctrine. Your answers to these things are imperative for the rest of us.

Revelation 1:20
20.  The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

If those who claim to know the Scripture and the truth of it cannot answer these clear Scripture statements concerning the Seven Spirits of Theou which are before his throne; indicating that they are indeed personas, then perhaps it is those ones who should be removed for leveling false accusations against other believers. After all that is indeed what the Scripture states:

Deuteronomy 19:15-19
15.  One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
16.  If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
17.  Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before YHWH, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;
18.  And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
19.  Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

: Joyfullee  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 21:58:29God judges the motives of the heart, period.

Blessings, to one and all.

Absolutely.

God is not confined in time, there was no 2,000 years ago with God, the resurrection is happening now as it always has. Christ has risen!

: JMT  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:09:14

: Catholica  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:07:04

: JMT  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:04:22

: Lively Stone  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:56:41

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  ::clappingoverhead:: and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

It doesn't.  Hmm...maybe you are right.  Let me go check back, because I could have sworn I remember reading that.  It could be that I understood it it mean that because of the "as the angels are" comment though.  ::blushing::

Bless you for having the integrity to go and look it up, and starting a new thread.  Sorry my post was so forthright.  No need to be embarassed, we are all learning!

: Catholica  Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 06:15:54

: JMT  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:09:14

: Catholica  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:07:04

: JMT  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 16:04:22

: Lively Stone  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 15:56:41

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  ::clappingoverhead:: and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

It doesn't.  Hmm...maybe you are right.  Let me go check back, because I could have sworn I remember reading that.  It could be that I understood it it mean that because of the "as the angels are" comment though.  ::blushing::

Bless you for having the integrity to go and look it up, and starting a new thread.  Sorry my post was so forthright.  No need to be embarassed, we are all learning!

Thank you!  ::hug:: The thread was split for us by a mod...I think that was an awesome idea.  ::smile::

I don't like to make "Thus saith the Lord" statements unless I am *sure* He said them (LOL)...so I am glad you pointed that out to me so I don't stumble there again. It is not a 100% provable fact and I can see how both sides could come to the conclusion both for and against gender in Heaven.  A disputable matter I am happy to say "Dunno, we'll have to wait and see" about.  ::smile::

: Bitter Sweet  Sat Jul 23, 2011 - 05:28:34

: Joyfullee  Fri Jul 22, 2011 - 21:58:29God judges the motives of the heart, period.

Blessings, to one and all.

Absolutely.

God is not confined in time, there was no 2,000 years ago with God, the resurrection is happening now as it always has. Christ has risen!

Take your ideas to a regular debate thread...not this one.