Disobedience?
Lack of biblical knowledge?
Lack of faith?
Incorrect preaching?
Preachers/pastors/priest that are still slaves of sin and are unable to instruct their flocks correctly on this subject?
: cs80918 Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 13:44:43
Disobedience?
Lack of biblical knowledge?
Lack of faith?
Incorrect preaching?
Preachers/pastors/priest that are still slaves of sin and are unable to instruct their flocks correctly on this subject?
Salvation is God's part...He does that part perfectly!
Renewing our mind is our part
Some of us don't even know we're supposed to renew our mind
Some of us that do know, do not study enough or have teachers that teach us how
The vast majority of Christians are saved but are going about their life as if they are unsaved...
Talking like, dressing like, acting like people in the world with no idea of what it means to be a child of The King
It's like being born of a very wealthy family, having maids, butlers, chauffeurs and the whole works
Yet living like someone who is in poverty,
Catching the bus, walking, eating soda crackers, tuna and beans out of the can, wearing tattered clothes, un-bathed, unshaven, lacking medical attention, going to public school in the poorest neighborhoods....
and choosing as friends and running buddies, those who despise your family and would beg borrow and steal to get what you already have and try to get it anyway but the right way
::pondering::
I agree with what gospel has already said but will just add this: I think too many Christians are serving the Lord with a divided heart and will therefore fall into sin more easily, people who serve with this undivided heart will be those who are walking in the flesh and not in the Spirit and thus becoming slaves of sin.
We still live in the fleshly body. The body we're in craves sin as it was born in it. It doesn't know any way else to behave. We have to take our thoughts captive to Christ or they will sink us into sin. Sinning starts out with the thoughts. Eventually, we get so worked up, and don't think Satan doesn't take advantage of this, that we sin to give into those thoughts. If we could always take our thoughts captive, there would be way less sinning in my opinion. The Holy Spirit inside us helps us by convicting us when we're about to blow it. Gospel's right when he talks about renewing of the mind. This renewal of the mind is what prevents us from sinning. Only Christ can renew our mind. It is a work for us everyday to be living in a body that wants to sin with a renewed mind from Christ. That's why many of us are so conflicted. Anyway, let's let the renewed mind of the Spirit win over the fleshly body. My thoughts.
Candy
: cs80918 Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 13:44:43
Disobedience?
Lack of biblical knowledge?
Lack of faith?
Incorrect preaching?
Preachers/pastors/priest that are still slaves of sin and are unable to instruct their flocks correctly on this subject?
Perhaps this will help.
Rom 11:32 For God has concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Isa 2:11 The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and
the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
13 And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,
14 And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up,
15 And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall,
16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and
the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Peace
I can only speak as to what happened to me. We know that God does not always work in peoples lives in the same way so how much use it will be I don't know.
When I was reborn most of my wants changed at once. However, my body did not follow along. As I read more and obeyed more I acted more like I should. Several sinful actions kept with me and bothered me more and more until began to doubt my salvation. These kept bothering me until I shed tears over it knowing that I must not be saved. When that happened the thought crossed my mind "but you love the brothers.
: cs80918 Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 13:44:43
Disobedience?
Lack of biblical knowledge?
Lack of faith?
Incorrect preaching?
Preachers/pastors/priest that are still slaves of sin and are unable to instruct their flocks correctly on this subject?
I'm wondering how we arrived at the conclusion that "many if not most professing" Christians are "still slaves to sin?" Was there a scientific survey I missed? Did someone do a worldwide head count of Christians and then determine which were still slaves to sin, and which were not? Seems to me that if a person is the "slave of sin," that would pretty well preclude them from being a Christian would it not?
::pondering:: ::reading:: ::reading:: ::shrug::
: p.rehbein Fri Dec 23, 2011 - 05:51:56
: cs80918 Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 13:44:43
Disobedience?
Lack of biblical knowledge?
Lack of faith?
Incorrect preaching?
Preachers/pastors/priest that are still slaves of sin and are unable to instruct their flocks correctly on this subject?
I'm wondering how we arrived at the conclusion that "many if not most professing" Christians are "still slaves to sin?" Was there a scientific survey I missed? Did someone do a worldwide head count of Christians and then determine which were still slaves to sin, and which were not? Seems to me that if a person is the "slave of sin," that would pretty well preclude them from being a Christian would it not?
::pondering:: ::reading:: ::reading:: ::shrug::
We can not address a problem if we are unaware of it.
You can look up information about sin in the Churches.
What is the divorce rate of people in Christian churches?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-03-14-divorce-christians_N.htm
How many Christian live together before marriage?
How many Christians fornicate?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/may/34.28.html
Do you really think all those people in your church are as holy as you think they are?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/march/20.7.html
My people fail because of a lack of knowledge.
: cs80918 Fri Dec 23, 2011 - 10:42:22
: p.rehbein Fri Dec 23, 2011 - 05:51:56
: cs80918 Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 13:44:43
Disobedience?
Lack of biblical knowledge?
Lack of faith?
Incorrect preaching?
Preachers/pastors/priest that are still slaves of sin and are unable to instruct their flocks correctly on this subject?
I'm wondering how we arrived at the conclusion that "many if not most professing" Christians are "still slaves to sin?" Was there a scientific survey I missed? Did someone do a worldwide head count of Christians and then determine which were still slaves to sin, and which were not? Seems to me that if a person is the "slave of sin," that would pretty well preclude them from being a Christian would it not?
::pondering:: ::reading:: ::reading:: ::shrug::
We can not address a problem if we are unaware of it.
You can look up information about sin in the Churches.
What is the divorce rate of people in Christian churches?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-03-14-divorce-christians_N.htm
How many Christian live together before marriage?
How many Christians fornicate?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/may/34.28.html
Do you really think all those people in your church are as holy as you think they are?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/march/20.7.html
My people fail because of a lack of knowledge.
Sorry but your statement and your premise along with your well documented facts and statistics contradict what the bible says....
Those who are saved are no longer enslaved or in bondage to sin
Galatians 5:1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.
Christ has set us free...PERIOD!
The fact that what we see with our eyes contradicts what we cannot see does not make it untrue....
Whom the Son set free is free indeed...not just free but free INDEED!
The problem lies in number one...people actually knowing they are free!
Many Christians are taught a gospel that differ greatly from The Gospel Jesus taught and from that which Paul taught...
Those "other" gospels tend to keep people in the mindset of a yoke of bondage and it is the mindset of a person that keeps a free man living like a slave!
For instance, when Lincoln gave the Emancipation Proclamation many black slaves did not get the "good news", until months and in some cases years later and even at that, many of those who did, chose to stay on the plantations free indeed yet choosing to live as slaves....having no idea how to navigate through life in the liberty of a free person, without the constraints of rigid control influenced and enforced by fear and punishment.
Sadly many Christians see God in this manner, as an overseer who would control us with rigid constraints, harsh discipline, fear and punishment...
...In a strange uncanny way...it is this slave mentality that nurtures and encourages rebellion
As a teenager attending public high school, I remember many of us teen-age boys would go hang out around the girl Catholic high school.
Why?
Although it seemed like it would be quite the opposite...it was common knowledge that quite a few Catholic girls were itching to get into trouble.
In other words, the restraints, harsh discipline and measure of control that was imposed upon them had produced rebellion rather than innocence.
I'm only using Catholic School as example and not an aspersion against the denomination
On the other extreme, in Muslim nations , despite all their Holier than thou, 5 times a day prayers, washing hands and feet and all the other rigid disciplines.... sexual molestation and even the consuming of alcohol are best kept secrets
Strange how that works ...isn't it ::shrug::
In any case its something to consider and it is supported by scripture
1 Corinthians 15:56New American Standard Bible (©1995)
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Thank God for Grace which is the Freedom from The Bondage of Sin!
: cs80918 Fri Dec 23, 2011 - 10:42:22
: p.rehbein Fri Dec 23, 2011 - 05:51:56
: cs80918 Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 13:44:43
Disobedience?
Lack of biblical knowledge?
Lack of faith?
Incorrect preaching?
Preachers/pastors/priest that are still slaves of sin and are unable to instruct their flocks correctly on this subject?
I'm wondering how we arrived at the conclusion that "many if not most professing" Christians are "still slaves to sin?" Was there a scientific survey I missed? Did someone do a worldwide head count of Christians and then determine which were still slaves to sin, and which were not? Seems to me that if a person is the "slave of sin," that would pretty well preclude them from being a Christian would it not?
::pondering:: ::reading:: ::reading:: ::shrug::
We can not address a problem if we are unaware of it.
You can look up information about sin in the Churches.
What is the divorce rate of people in Christian churches?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-03-14-divorce-christians_N.htm
How many Christian live together before marriage?
How many Christians fornicate?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/may/34.28.html
Do you really think all those people in your church are as holy as you think they are?
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/march/20.7.html
My people fail because of a lack of knowledge.
........and you have missed my point entirely, unless you are simply disguising this under the label of "PROFESSING Christians," which, of course, is not the same as Christian...............shoot, I could "profess" to be an All-American running back, but that wouldn't make it true. And as your comments have been about folks being a slave to sin who PROFESS to be Christians, then I again referr you to my comment.............especially the last sentence.
God bless
I guess I am wrong, people who PROFESS to be Christians that sit next to you and I at church are not slaves to sin.
Professing Christian don't fornicate, don't co habitat before marriage, etc.
Why do you think I made this post?
I made it in the hopes that anyone professing to be a Christian that is disobedient or lacking biblical knowledge will realize that as Christian we are no longer slaves to sin.
It is a simple message, but many in the church haven't gotten it.
There are statistics that back up my statements on this.
I am not sure we actually need 'statistics or 'surveys to know that most Christians are still deep in sin....even if we vociferously contradict such assumption.
All we need to do is to look at 'Society around us .
There seem to be more Criminals than our prisons can hold....and
most 'Christians' break the Commandments of God.
We really don't need to look very far at all ....Sin is everywhere !
Why ?...Disobedience to the Word of God either based on Unbelief or Ignorance ...not to mention Selfwill !
I would submit that it is a product of several centuries of lack of proper discipleship.
Matt 28.19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
: DaveW Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 07:14:01
I would submit that it is a product of several centuries of lack of proper discipleship.
Matt 28.19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
: Beta Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 12:50:12
: DaveW Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 07:14:01
I would submit that it is a product of several centuries of lack of proper discipleship.
Matt 28.19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
: fish153 Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 20:23:25
: Beta Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 12:50:12
: DaveW Thu Dec 29, 2011 - 07:14:01
I would submit that it is a product of several centuries of lack of proper discipleship.
Matt 28.19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.
: cs80918 Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 13:44:43
Disobedience?
Lack of biblical knowledge?
Lack of faith?
Incorrect preaching?
Preachers/pastors/priest that are still slaves of sin and are unable to instruct their flocks correctly on this subject?
It is interesting that you have judged "most professing Christians" to still be slaves to sin. Perhaps it is simply that "most professing Christians" really are not Christians. Perhaps they are not now or perhaps never were a part of God's kingdom. There are any number of reasons for that. You have named some. But at any rate it is a choice they have made.
: cs80918 Wed Dec 28, 2011 - 00:17:54
I guess I am wrong, people who PROFESS to be Christians that sit next to you and I at church are not slaves to sin.
Professing Christian don't fornicate, don't co habitat before marriage, etc.
this is still a bit confusing..............are you saying that ALL who profess/claim to be a Chrisian are true Christians? And you still do not seem able to grasp my point, so I will restate it in hopes you come to an understanding of it.
Seems to me that if a person is the "slave of sin," that would pretty well preclude them from being a Christian would it not?
I hope you can now understand what I am saying................God bless............
: p.rehbein Fri Dec 30, 2011 - 08:55:54
: cs80918 Wed Dec 28, 2011 - 00:17:54
I guess I am wrong, people who PROFESS to be Christians that sit next to you and I at church are not slaves to sin.
Professing Christian don't fornicate, don't co habitat before marriage, etc.
this is still a bit confusing..............are you saying that ALL who profess/claim to be a Chrisian are true Christians? And you still do not seem able to grasp my point, so I will restate it in hopes you come to an understanding of it.
Seems to me that if a person is the "slave of sin," that would pretty well preclude them from being a Christian would it not?
I hope you can now understand what I am saying................God bless............
Maybe, I used the wrong words. I will say that many people in Churches or many people who claim to be Christians are unaware of the freedom we have from sin.
Wow, why am I having such a hard time communicating this? God help me.
There is a problem in the preaching in our churches about sin. Christians have more freedom from sin than many of us realize.
The world teaches us that sinning is winning. That being holy is losing.
Example:
When a guy has sex with a pretty girl outside marriage, you will often hear other guys say something like "way to go"
As if they won a prize for their sin.
I just think the teaching in many churches is really lacking on the victory in Jesus that we have over sin.
With many Christians it is a very real and ever present battle they are going through, but it doesn't have to be that way.
I forget the figures, but something like 50% of pastors have a porn addiction. Also, some pastors have a glutton problem with food and a greed problem with money.
: cs80918 Wed Dec 28, 2011 - 00:17:54
I guess I am wrong, people who PROFESS to be Christians that sit next to you and I at church are not slaves to sin.
Professing Christian don't fornicate, don't co habitat before marriage, etc.
IT IS WRITTEN: Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
THE SELF RIGHTEOUS ARE A LEGEND IN THEIR OWN MIND.
PEACE
This pretty much backs up the idea that freewill is a myth.
You wanna stop sinning, right? Then why do you continue to do so?
There's no time in this existence on earth that you are completely free of both outside and inside influence. Thus you are never free to have a "freewill."
The premise of freewill for humans is flawed.
: p.rehbein Fri Dec 30, 2011 - 08:55:54
: cs80918 Wed Dec 28, 2011 - 00:17:54
I guess I am wrong, people who PROFESS to be Christians that sit next to you and I at church are not slaves to sin.
Professing Christian don't fornicate, don't co habitat before marriage, etc.
this is still a bit confusing..............are you saying that ALL who profess/claim to be a Chrisian are true Christians? And you still do not seem able to grasp my point, so I will restate it in hopes you come to an understanding of it.
Seems to me that if a person is the "slave of sin," that would pretty well preclude them from being a Christian would it not?
I hope you can now understand what I am saying................God bless............
the answer to your question is found by looking at rom 10:9 which says Because if you acknowledge and confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and in your heart believe (adhere to, trust in, and rely on the truth) that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. there is no other requirement to be saved. but there are other promises within the bible that require more from us to allow us to have those promises. every promise in God's word has a prerequisite that needs to be met before we can get the promises of God. even salvation requires something in order to be saved. a christian can be saved and go to heaven and yet never live in the promises of God. those that live in the promises are referred to in the bible as overcomers in Christ. according to statistics made from christian ministries is that there are only about 8%of all christians live the victorious life of God as overcomers in Christ, 8 out of 10 ministries do not last past the 5 year mark and 9 out of 10 ministries never make it to retirement. only about 10%of all christians tithe regularly, and ect. i hope this helps
God bless
: cs80918 Mon Dec 19, 2011 - 13:44:43
Disobedience?
Lack of biblical knowledge?
Lack of faith?
Incorrect preaching?
Preachers/pastors/priest that are still slaves of sin and are unable to instruct their flocks correctly on this subject?
Biblical knowledge does nothing for you. It's not about what you know, it's about how you live.
The ONLY determinant for you to get into heaven, is getting the love right. 1 john 4:16-18. If you went yoru whole life and never sinned (work with me here...) but you hadn't got the love part right, you aren't heaven bound, 1 john 4:16-18.
Imagine you have to change from a righty to a lefty in basketball. You can watch all the film, read all the books, know all the information, but it won't make you a natural lefty, until you do it a billion times and are changed.
I'd also question you on what you mean by slaves to sins. Scripture doesn't talk about slaves to sins, it talks about slave to sin. Paul describes that "sin" as an entity like presence inside of you and says you are EITHER indwelled by IT or by the Spirit. And whenever one is there, is the one you obey.
So, once gone, always gone, that sinful part of us. But, it's probably not gone, yet from most of us.
Professing Xians..... the term is a problem.
Anyone can profess to be Xian. It doesn't matter what you say you are. It matters what you have become.
Xian is a term that has ZERO MEANING in the Church today. It should be wiped from the vocabulary and done away with. Here's why. If I had a hundred of you in a thread, and asked for a definition of the word from each of you. Then sit you down and followed up with the same questions to see what the rote answer really MEANS to you, there would be 110 different answers from a 100 count sampling. When you say the word, you can agree on a cliche of it's meaning, but the details, or what it REALLY MEANS there will be no agreement.
So consider this. If you ask me if I'm Xian. And I answer yes. The word means something different to me than to you. I really didn't answer your question at all. All I can claim is I believe I am. Since you think it means something other than I do, I don't know if in YOUR understanding I'm Xian or not.
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
: Lively Stone Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:52:05
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
You think he/she is a Christian? I didn't get that impression.
: Lively Stone Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:52:05
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
Because they would have more education than your bigotted comment shows you have.
IXOYE was a sign that spelled fish, usually drawn with a fish made of two arcs around it. You probably only know it as a catchy bumpersticker. The I is Jesus name. The X is Jesus title, The O is GOD, the Y is for being God's Son, the E is for being SAVIOR.
It stands for Jesus Christ, God son savior.
The people that used that sign, died horrific martyred deaths.
Your blatantly, pick at someone to show how holy you are, and out of ignorance, just insulted every martyr that died to build the church you so ingraciously denigrate by claiming to be a member of.
THE X has been used for Christ since Christ had died. It's a symbol of Christ. It's as much a symbol of Christ as your "holy cross" is around your neck.
Nice to show your self righteous colors.
: Willie T Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:55:15
: Lively Stone Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:52:05
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
You think he/she is a Christian? I didn't get that impression.
I'm glad I don't base your approval on my being.
What praytell gives you the impression that as I defend scripture in every thread I've entered, I'm not Xian?
Is it because I don't gang up on the same people the "holy huddle" does?
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:29:14
: Lively Stone Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:52:05
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
Because they would have more education than your bigotted comment shows you have.
IXOYE was a sign that spelled fish, usually drawn with a fish made of two arcs around it. You probably only know it as a catchy bumpersticker. The I is Jesus name. The X is Jesus title, The O is GOD, the Y is for being God's Son, the E is for being SAVIOR.
It stands for Jesus Christ, God son savior.
The people that used that sign, died horrific martyred deaths.
Your blatantly, pick at someone to show how holy you are, and out of ignorance, just insulted every martyr that died to build the church you so ingraciously denigrate by claiming to be a member of.
THE X has been used for Christ since Christ had died. It's a symbol of Christ. It's as much a symbol of Christ as your "holy cross" is around your neck.
Nice to show your self righteous colors.
::thumbup::
From my husbands village;
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/blossomv2007/headstone.jpg)
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:33:59
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:29:14
: Lively Stone Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:52:05
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
Because they would have more education than your bigotted comment shows you have.
IXOYE was a sign that spelled fish, usually drawn with a fish made of two arcs around it. You probably only know it as a catchy bumpersticker. The I is Jesus name. The X is Jesus title, The O is GOD, the Y is for being God's Son, the E is for being SAVIOR.
It stands for Jesus Christ, God son savior.
The people that used that sign, died horrific martyred deaths.
Your blatantly, pick at someone to show how holy you are, and out of ignorance, just insulted every martyr that died to build the church you so ingraciously denigrate by claiming to be a member of.
THE X has been used for Christ since Christ had died. It's a symbol of Christ. It's as much a symbol of Christ as your "holy cross" is around your neck.
Nice to show your self righteous colors.
::thumbup::
From my husbands village;
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/blossomv2007/headstone.jpg)
Just wanted to add that the X means chrst which means cross. To be a Christian in the Orthodox sense means a person that crosses him or herself. I remember being told to prichrsti myself which meant to do the father son and holy ghost thing with my fingers on my forehead shoulders and center.
Well, it's a fact. I just looked in several Bibles, and every one of them has "Jesus X" all over the place. ::amen!::
: Willie T Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 16:31:53
Well, it's a fact. I just looked in several Bibles, and every one of them has "Jesus X" all over the place. ::amen!::
Christ and Chrst aren't the same, Christ is anointed one. When we call ourselves Christians are we saying we are the anointed ones or people that take up the cross? ::headscratch::
Never mind, I'm a renegade Orthodox so it don't matter. ::smile::
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:58:15
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:33:59
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:29:14
: Lively Stone Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:52:05
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
Because they would have more education than your bigotted comment shows you have.
IXOYE was a sign that spelled fish, usually drawn with a fish made of two arcs around it. You probably only know it as a catchy bumpersticker. The I is Jesus name. The X is Jesus title, The O is GOD, the Y is for being God's Son, the E is for being SAVIOR.
It stands for Jesus Christ, God son savior.
The people that used that sign, died horrific martyred deaths.
Your blatantly, pick at someone to show how holy you are, and out of ignorance, just insulted every martyr that died to build the church you so ingraciously denigrate by claiming to be a member of.
THE X has been used for Christ since Christ had died. It's a symbol of Christ. It's as much a symbol of Christ as your "holy cross" is around your neck.
Nice to show your self righteous colors.
::thumbup::
From my husbands village;
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/blossomv2007/headstone.jpg)
.
Why, you don't agree with lively, you aren't a true "believer" at all!!
Just wanted to add that the X means chrst which means cross. To be a Christian in the Orthodox sense means a person that crosses him or herself. I remember being told to prichrsti myself which meant to do the father son and holy ghost thing with my fingers on my forehead shoulders and center.
: Willie T Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 16:31:53
Well, it's a fact. I just looked in several Bibles, and every one of them has "Jesus X" all over the place. ::amen!::
Do you always face your ignorance with bitter sarcasm?
Old "notes" from older historical religious people used it, and that is available to anyone doing the research. But since you know it all, why would you research.
Let's see, then there was constantine's sigil used the X for christ, and if you search that historical period you will find it everywhere....
But, again, don't let facts get in the way of trying to step on the back of another to make yourself look closer to God. It wouldn't be Christian of you. And, you do have your image to protect, right?
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 17:36:27
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Why, you don't agree with lively, you aren't a true "believer" at all!!
This is a meme we can live without, I'm assuming LS trying to start it. I'm not a snob either. rofl
For cryin' out loud, Cat. I just told you I found your "X" in several different Bibles. You just don't want to be happy, do you? ::shrug::
: Willie T Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 18:43:08
For cryin' out loud, Cat. I just told you I found your "X" in several different Bibles. You just don't want to be happy, do you? ::shrug::
Sounded like sarcasm to me. All bibles have an x in them, especially in greek. But I am pretty sure no translation uses x for christ in abbreviation. I mean, they want the holy people to buy them after all.
Taking Christ's name out of Christ, :O and they call THAT a bible.
I bet you LOVE all those extra kjv verses added into it, too, don't you.
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:29:14
: Lively Stone Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:52:05
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
Because they would have more education than your bigotted comment shows you have.
IXOYE was a sign that spelled fish, usually drawn with a fish made of two arcs around it. You probably only know it as a catchy bumpersticker. The I is Jesus name. The X is Jesus title, The O is GOD, the Y is for being God's Son, the E is for being SAVIOR.
It stands for Jesus Christ, God son savior.
The people that used that sign, died horrific martyred deaths.
Your blatantly, pick at someone to show how holy you are, and out of ignorance, just insulted every martyr that died to build the church you so ingraciously denigrate by claiming to be a member of.
THE X has been used for Christ since Christ had died. It's a symbol of Christ. It's as much a symbol of Christ as your "holy cross" is around your neck.
Nice to show your self righteous colors.
Nasty person! You are not about to be martyred, so stop with the silly rationalizations for using the lazy, 'X'.
I hate it when I see it and so do many others. It just shows a lack of reverence for Jesus Christ. Isn't He worth writing out the full name for? He doesn't use a short form for yours.
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:33:59
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:29:14
: Lively Stone Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:52:05
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
Because they would have more education than your bigotted comment shows you have.
IXOYE was a sign that spelled fish, usually drawn with a fish made of two arcs around it. You probably only know it as a catchy bumpersticker. The I is Jesus name. The X is Jesus title, The O is GOD, the Y is for being God's Son, the E is for being SAVIOR.
It stands for Jesus Christ, God son savior.
The people that used that sign, died horrific martyred deaths.
Your blatantly, pick at someone to show how holy you are, and out of ignorance, just insulted every martyr that died to build the church you so ingraciously denigrate by claiming to be a member of.
THE X has been used for Christ since Christ had died. It's a symbol of Christ. It's as much a symbol of Christ as your "holy cross" is around your neck.
Nice to show your self righteous colors.
::thumbup::
From my husbands village;
(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p110/blossomv2007/headstone.jpg)
Yeah, "X marks the spot. No digging allowed."
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:58:15
Just wanted to add that the X means chrst which means cross. To be a Christian in the Orthodox sense means a person that crosses him or herself. I remember being told to prichrsti myself which meant to do the father son and holy ghost thing with my fingers on my forehead shoulders and center.
Nonsense. Christ means, "Anointed One". Crossing oneself is just a religious affectation.
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 16:47:34
: Willie T Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 16:31:53
Well, it's a fact. I just looked in several Bibles, and every one of them has "Jesus X" all over the place. ::amen!::
Christ and Chrst aren't the same, Christ is anointed one. When we call ourselves Christians are we saying we are the anointed ones or people that take up the cross? ::headscratch::
Never mind, I'm a renegade Orthodox so it don't matter. ::smile::
'Christian' means, 'Little Christ'. Yes, that is what we are.
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 18:26:58
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 17:36:27
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Why, you don't agree with lively, you aren't a true "believer" at all!!
This is a meme we can live without, I'm assuming LS trying to start it. I'm not a snob either. rofl
What the heck is 'meme'? Are you a wordsmith now?
It's sort of an internet convention. You're an innovator, he thinks. You lead the way to new thoughts and concepts.
: Willie T Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 19:39:19
It's sort of an internet convention. You're an innovator, he thinks. You lead the way to new thoughts and concepts.
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/Floatingaxe/Exclamations/awesome2.jpg)
Why am I the nasty one? I'm not the person running around judging others for abbreviations, and generally posturing as if I were the holy of holies, plus evading questions, blah blah blah.
I'm only nasty because you just made a fool of yourself, and now try to deflect your shame back at me. I don't inow who you have fooled around here, but the characteristicts iin the psych diagnostical literature, suggest you are more npd than Xian.
: Lively Stone Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 19:23:01
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:29:14
: Lively Stone Sat Jul 21, 2012 - 16:52:05
Why anyone who is a Christian would use 'Xian' and expect to be taken seriously... ::headscratch::
Because they would have more education than your bigotted comment shows you have.
IXOYE was a sign that spelled fish, usually drawn with a fish made of two arcs around it. You probably only know it as a catchy bumpersticker. The I is Jesus name. The X is Jesus title, The O is GOD, the Y is for being God's Son, the E is for being SAVIOR.
It stands for Jesus Christ, God son savior.
The people that used that sign, died horrific martyred deaths.
Your blatantly, pick at someone to show how holy you are, and out of ignorance, just insulted every martyr that died to build the church you so ingraciously denigrate by claiming to be a member of.
THE X has been used for Christ since Christ had died. It's a symbol of Christ. It's as much a symbol of Christ as your "holy cross" is around your neck.
Nice to show your self righteous colors.
Nasty person! You are not about to be martyred, so stop with the silly rationalizations for using the lazy, 'X'.
I hate it when I see it and so do many others. It just shows a lack of reverence for Jesus Christ. Isn't He worth writing out the full name for? He doesn't use a short form for yours.
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 21:54:10
Why am I the nasty one? I'm not the person running around judging others for abbreviations, and generally posturing as if I were the holy of holies, plus evading questions, blah blah blah.
Calling people bigots is nasty. In all my straight talk, I wouldn't cross that line.
Using the 'X' tells me that either someone doesn't have reverence for Jesus Christ, or is lazy in their typing, or is an unbeliever masking as a believer.
I'm only nasty because you just made a fool of yourself, and now try to deflect your shame back at me. I don't inow who you have fooled around here, but the characteristicts iin the psych diagnostical literature, suggest you are more npd than Xian.
I am glad you admit you are nasty. Now, blaming others for it is not appropriate.
Oh sheesh! Just saw, Xian is a lack of reverance? So, if I type it in english, not Greek is that worse? Or in His home, mamma called him Joshua, to translate the aramaic to English, so Jesus isn't even the right transliteration for His name. Christ His title, is not what it was called in His life, so aren't we irreverant now using a DIFFERENT LANGUAGE/ where does the line stop, oh holy one? The Jews, if they accepted Christ as the messiah, errr mosiach, errrr..... they wouldn't even say His name, not anymore than they will say G_d.
So as you point the finger at me, and stick your chest out like a transgendered arnold schwarzenager, why don't you go read chapter two of colossians, and see what the most zealous APOSTLE HAD TO SAY about rules man makes up to keep himself looking holy. Even the Rabbis of today aren't so pharisitical as your rude, and presumptuous faux pleasant personality makes you appear to be.
Now, you have a choice. You can back off of your game, because I'm gonna call you out, over and over, and eventually even your allies will see your behavior for what it is, or you can stop talking ATme and talk with me, as if you were an adult, and we can both learn something. But, at least, for a while, you would have a steep learning curve.
You dismissed that you poo pooed the martyers for for being caught typing X for Christ, and tried to misdirect, errrrrrr LIE, and assert that I was claiming martyrdom. You are to proud to learn sometning, so you had to attempt to justify your commments.
I want a poll.... how many thought she wasn't trying to deflect herself being caught disrespecting the martyrs off on me by saying I was trying to claim martyrdom?
You remind me of SNL's "The Church Lady".
NO, BEING A BIGOT IS BEING NASTY, BEING CAUGHT AT FULFILLING EVERY LINE IN ANY DICTIONARY'S DEFINITIO, AND BEING EXPOSED FOR IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT PAUL DID TO peter in Galatians.
You are more concerned with someone being called how they are behaving, than you are your allies misbehavior. Do you think you are fooling God?
Lazy? I type 120 wpm. Its not lazy, its called not being an idolater.
And deflection like that is just one of the prime characteristics of NPD. Listen sister, I'm not going away, you can chill, or I will match my tone to yours, minus the self righteousness til we are expelled, or you leave in tears from facing the honesty I'm going to pour down upon you.
I don't care, this is my 4th or 5th request to get you to step back, grow up, and speak like an adult if you wish to talk with the ggrown ups.
: Lively Stone Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 22:01:19
Calling people bigots is nasty. In all my straight talk, I wouldn't cross that line.
Using the 'X' tells me that either someone doesn't have reverence for Jesus Christ, or is lazy in their typing, or is an unbeliever masking as a believer.
I'm only nasty because you just made a fool of yourself, and now try to deflect your shame back at me. I don't inow who you have fooled around here, but the characteristicts iin the psych diagnostical literature, suggest you are more npd than Xian.
I am glad you admit you are nasty. Now, blaming others for it is not appropriate.
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 17:36:27
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Why, you don't agree with lively, you aren't a true "believer" at all!!
Maybe she has a point, I should just stop listening to my husband who's ancestors built one of Paul's first churches in his village (from the pic) and then start church hopping the way I've been accused of doing until I find one she approves of. That way I can kill 2 birds with 1 stone. And be one of those professing Christians that is still a slave to sin.
Ephesians 4:14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.
Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
: Lively Stone Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 19:27:11
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:58:15
Just wanted to add that the X means chrst which means cross. To be a Christian in the Orthodox sense means a person that crosses him or herself. I remember being told to prichrsti myself which meant to do the father son and holy ghost thing with my fingers on my forehead shoulders and center.
Nonsense. Christ means, "Anointed One". Crossing oneself is just a religious affectation.
For anyone that can read, they are embarrassed for you. Xian does mean little Christ, and Christ does mean Christos, Where we get CHRISTENED from in the Greek, which is what annointing is.
Christ, and Christian, however are not the same words. Anyone who had read the post would see the curious addition of a suffix there, and a wise person, if they didn't know for sure would type www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) and learned what the word meant with that suffix.
Why don't you try less to know it all, and put that much energy into learning about what you don't know, and you may get along with more folks.
And if you judge my faith one more time, you will rue the day you met me chickie. Grow up, stop making a fool of yourself, stop posturing as if you filled in for God when He takes a vacation, and sit back and talk WITH not AT people.
Ivw never seen a living or lively stone. But if its alive, it must have a brain. So, I'm thinking your name is a metaphor for dumb as a rock?
: Lively Stone Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 22:01:19
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 21:54:10
Why am I the nasty one? I'm not the person running around judging others for abbreviations, and generally posturing as if I were the holy of holies, plus evading questions, blah blah blah.
Calling people bigots is nasty. In all my straight talk, I wouldn't cross that line.
Using the 'X' tells me that either someone doesn't have reverence for Jesus Christ, or is lazy in their typing, or is an unbeliever masking as a believer.
I'm only nasty because you just made a fool of yourself, and now try to deflect your shame back at me. I don't inow who you have fooled around here, but the characteristicts iin the psych diagnostical literature, suggest you are more npd than Xian.
I am glad you admit you are nasty. Now, blaming others for it is not appropriate.
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 22:22:27
: Lively Stone Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 19:27:11
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:58:15
Just wanted to add that the X means chrst which means cross. To be a Christian in the Orthodox sense means a person that crosses him or herself. I remember being told to prichrsti myself which meant to do the father son and holy ghost thing with my fingers on my forehead shoulders and center.
Nonsense. Christ means, "Anointed One". Crossing oneself is just a religious affectation.
For anyone that can read, they are embarrassed for you. Xian does mean little Christ, and Christ does mean Christos, Where we get CHRISTENED from in the Greek, which is what annointing is.
Christ, and Christian, however are not the same words. Anyone who had read the post would see the curious addition of a suffix there, and a wise person, if they didn't know for sure would type www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) and learned what the word meant with that suffix.
Why don't you try less to know it all, and put that much energy into learning about what you don't know, and you may get along with more folks.
I just found this blog that say's Christian means slaves. ::headscratch::
http://mysticbelieverpriest.blogspot.com/2007/12/little-christ-hogwash.html (http://mysticbelieverpriest.blogspot.com/2007/12/little-christ-hogwash.html)
The "Little Christ" Hogwash
I don't know whether anyone's tried to tell you that the word "Christian" means "Little Christ." I've heard this from several. Several of the pastors who have tried to set me straight about our objective as Christians. Our objective to be like Christ.
But it is apparently false. This understanding of the word Christian is apparently false.
Having no idea myself, I looked it up this evening in one of Zondervan's Understanding the Bible reference series: Zondervan's Bible Dictionary.
It says that the word Christian is derived from the Greek, Christianos. Further it says, "The Latin termination –ianos, widely used throughout the [Roman] empire, often designated the slaves of the one with whose name it was compounded."
"Slaves," not "children" or "followers" or "friends" or "companions" or "colleagues" or "brothers."
"Slaves."
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 22:09:52
Now, you have a choice. You can back off of your game, because I'm gonna call you out, over and over, and eventually even your allies will see your behavior for what it is, or you can stop talking ATme and talk with me, as if you were an adult, and we can both learn something. But, at least, for a while, you would have a steep learning curve.
Take a little of your own advice, newbie.
You dismissed that you poo pooed the martyers for for being caught typing X for Christ, and tried to misdirect, errrrrrr LIE, and assert that I was claiming martyrdom. You are to proud to learn sometning, so you had to attempt to justify your commments.
Nah...you were rationalizing the use of 'X'.
I want a poll.... how many thought she wasn't trying to deflect herself being caught disrespecting the martyrs off on me by saying I was trying to claim martyrdom?
You remind me of SNL's "The Church Lady".
Start a thread if you want.
'Christian' means, 'little Christ' or 'follower of Christ'. If one wants to consider that being a slave to Christ, that is also Biblical.
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 22:16:34
NO, BEING A BIGOT IS BEING NASTY, BEING CAUGHT AT FULFILLING EVERY LINE IN ANY DICTIONARY'S DEFINITIO, AND BEING EXPOSED FOR IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT PAUL DID TO peter in Galatians.
You are more concerned with someone being called how they are behaving, than you are your allies misbehavior. Do you think you are fooling God?
Lazy? I type 120 wpm. Its not lazy, its called not being an idolater.
And deflection like that is just one of the prime characteristics of NPD. Listen sister, I'm not going away, you can chill, or I will match my tone to yours, minus the self righteousness til we are expelled, or you leave in tears from facing the honesty I'm going to pour down upon you.
I don't care, this is my 4th or 5th request to get you to step back, grow up, and speak like an adult if you wish to talk with the ggrown ups.
You can spew all you like, but I am not going to be expelled. You need to tone it down some, though, and stop with the schoolyard-like threats.
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 22:22:27
: Lively Stone Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 19:27:11
: Bitter Sweet Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 15:58:15
Just wanted to add that the X means chrst which means cross. To be a Christian in the Orthodox sense means a person that crosses him or herself. I remember being told to prichrsti myself which meant to do the father son and holy ghost thing with my fingers on my forehead shoulders and center.
Nonsense. Christ means, "Anointed One". Crossing oneself is just a religious affectation.
For anyone that can read, they are embarrassed for you. Xian does mean little Christ, and Christ does mean Christos, Where we get CHRISTENED from in the Greek, which is what annointing is.
Christ, and Christian, however are not the same words. Anyone who had read the post would see the curious addition of a suffix there, and a wise person, if they didn't know for sure would type www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) and learned what the word meant with that suffix.
Why don't you try less to know it all, and put that much energy into learning about what you don't know, and you may get along with more folks.
What are you arguing about?
: Catalyst Sun Jul 22, 2012 - 22:26:00
And if you judge my faith one more time, you will rue the day you met me chickie. Grow up, stop making a fool of yourself, stop posturing as if you filled in for God when He takes a vacation, and sit back and talk WITH not AT people.
Ivw never seen a living or lively stone. But if its alive, it must have a brain. So, I'm thinking your name is a metaphor for dumb as a rock?
You are extremely combative. Why is that? Your salvos are like A-bombs against a mosquito.
I haven't judged your faith. I am questioning why you insist on 'X'. You have given your reasons. Fine. It isn't worth getting all red in the face about, now, is it?
Calling people names in this forum is a violation and reportable. Now you do as you suggest: grow up, and stop offending people.
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