Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.
Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.
In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity
Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 15:54:12
Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.
Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.
In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity
Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5
::amen!::
Thank you, gospel! It is ALWAYS uplifting to read your posts!
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Something else that is of importance and relevance is station and place in society.
They aren't up for a "reversal of fortune". In America and other "westernized" cultures anyone can become of the "religious caste" or of the "Governing Caste".
This was not so in Israel. Your tribe and fathers dictated your position in life. Legacy was everything to these people. It was at the center of most of their ambitions.
A positive Legacy meant that you did well and God was pleased with you. A negative or no Legacy meant just the opposite.
Today we don't think much about our legacy we leave behind or pay tribute to those that did leave behind a positive legacy like the philanthropists of yesteryear.
Maybe things aren't better in this instant age.
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 15:54:12
Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.
Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.
In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity
Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5
That falls right in line with our new birth.
Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Jesus will be King of us kings.
Thank you Gospel for this beautiful message. I too really enjoy your posts. Please keep them coming. All glory to our Savior Jesus Christ!! ::clappingoverhead::
: larry2 Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 16:22:28
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 15:54:12
Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.
Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.
In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity
Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5
That falls right in line with our new birth.
Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Jesus will be King of us kings.
::smile::
: JohnDB Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 16:10:16
Something else that is of importance and relevance is station and place in society.
They aren't up for a "reversal of fortune". In America and other "westernized" cultures anyone can become of the "religious caste" or of the "Governing Caste".
This was not so in Israel. Your tribe and fathers dictated your position in life. Legacy was everything to these people. It was at the center of most of their ambitions.
A positive Legacy meant that you did well and God was pleased with you. A negative or no Legacy meant just the opposite.
Today we don't think much about our legacy we leave behind or pay tribute to those that did leave behind a positive legacy like the philanthropists of yesteryear.
Maybe things aren't better in this instant age.
You make some great points however.....I would urge us all to keep in mind, things have already gotten better, they began to do so the very day of Jesus Birth and on that very day the sky was filled with the heavenly hosts proclaiming good tidings of great joy, peace on earth to all upon whom the favor of God rests.
Yes sir-ee folks
Things have already gotten better because we have been adopted into the Bloodline of the King!
That falls right in line with our new birth.
Revelation 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Jesus will be King of us kings.
Excellent post larry2
Which leads me to share the following passage as well
24When they came to Capernaum, those who collected the two-drachma tax came to Peter and said, "Does your teacher not pay the two-drachma tax?" 25He said, "Yes." And when he came into the house, Jesus spoke to him first, saying, "What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth collect customs or poll-tax, from their sons or from strangers?" 26When Peter said, "From strangers,"
Jesus said to him, "Then the sons are exempt.Matthew 17:24-27Jesus never went off message. In all His teaching and most every lesson He taught ....He always spoke of Redemption!
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"From other people," Peter answered. Jesus said to him, "Then the family members are exempt.
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 15:54:12
Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.
Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.
In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity
Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5
::doh:: Now you believe God who is Spirit has blood also.
The blood was an offering
to God...but how is this missed on one who holds error in his bosom.
So whose Blood is it actually.
1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the
blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe_1:19 But with the precious
blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Heb_9:14 How much more shall the
blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit
offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
And who brings the blood into the sancutary?
For the bodies of those beasts, whose
blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. (Heb 13:11)
Gospel you go from strength to strength with your erroneous teachings.
Become teachable!
: Clarity Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 18:06:52
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 15:54:12
Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.
Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.
In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity
Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5
::doh:: Now you believe God who is Spirit has blood also.
The blood was an offering to God...but how is this missed on one who holds error in his bosom.
So whose Blood is it actually.
1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe_1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Jn_1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
And How brings the blood into the sancutary?
For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. (Heb 13:11)
Gospel you go from strength to strength with your erroneous teachings.
Become teachable!
I feel sorry for you, truly I do....you neglect foundational truths in search of depth but you do so on a ship that is without a rudder, lost in asea in the midst of a great storm.....
Kings are Kings because they are begotten of a King
Jesus is not King of the universe because of David's bloodline
Furthermore we are begotten of fathers not mothers
Knowing that and realizing Jesus was not begotten of his earthly father Joseph was begotten of God as the scriptures say..."of Mary"
Not begotten of Mary
Begotten of God, for we as you can see in every lineage recorded in the bible, every person was begotten of the seed of their father
The father is he from whom the legacy is passed, from one generation to the next, by blood
BUT JESUS
Is Begotten of God
It's a shame you don't know that or would try to explain it away out of a complete lack of understanding....rendering yourself foolish openly and publicly for all to see how small is your knowledge of Jesus and how impotent your understanding of scripture ::frown::
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 18:21:44
: Clarity Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 18:06:52
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 15:54:12
Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.
Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.
In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity
Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5
::doh:: Now you believe God who is Spirit has blood also.
The blood was an offering to God...but how is this missed on one who holds error in his bosom.
So whose Blood is it actually.
1Pe_1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe_1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Jn_1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
And How brings the blood into the sancutary?
For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. (Heb 13:11)
Gospel you go from strength to strength with your erroneous teachings.
Become teachable!
I feel sorry for you, truly I do....you neglect foundational truths in search of depth but you do so on a ship that is without a rudder, lost in asea in the midst of a great storm.....
Kings are Kings because they are begotten of a King
Jesus is not King of the universe because of David's bloodline
Furthermore we are begotten of fathers not mothers
Knowing that and realizing Jesus was not begotten of his earthly father Joseph was begotten of God as the scriptures say..."of Mary"
Not begotten of Mary
Begotten of God, for we as you can see in every lineage recorded in the bible, every person was begotten of the seed of their father
The father is he from whom the legacy is passed, from one generation to the next, by blood
BUT JESUS
Is Begotten of God
It's a shame you don't know that or would try to explain it away out of a complete lack of understanding....rendering yourself foolish openly and publicly for all to see how small is your knowledge of Jesus and how impotent your understanding of scripture ::frown::
Is God a High Priest?
Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; (Heb 8:1)
Who set the High Priest at the right hand of the Father?
What Power "Seated Down" the Lord Jesus Christ on the throne on High?
If a High Priest in fact interceeds between God and Man and we know this is the Man Jesus Christ - Who is God?
If if God is the one to whom all things must be brought too who is He who sent the interessor?
Intercessor: One who goes between, or intercedes; a mediator. (a) One who interposes between parties at variance (God and Man), with a view to reconcile them. (b) One who pleads in behalf of another.
If Jesus is the prophet greater than Moses and we know Christ is a man...
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men,
the man Christ Jesus;(1Ti 2:5)
What will you return with Gospel?
Substance or more of the same.
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
: grace Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:05:39
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
I like this Grace thank you.
Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?
And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)
Once again Grace, imagine the
Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.
Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ
: grace Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:05:39
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
Now there's a person who understands Kingdom theology as it has been given us in the Gospel of the Kingdom
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:41:06
: grace Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:05:39
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
Now there's a person who understands Kingdom theology as it has been given us in the Gospel of the Kingdom
Weak Gospel Weak!
And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)
The Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King?
You have no answers Gospel - you say one thing and the Bible teaches another.
When will you come clean!
: Clarity Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:38:28
: grace Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:05:39
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
I like this Grace thank you.
Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?
And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)
Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.
Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ
I do not deny the power of the Holy Spirit!
: grace Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 06:24:21
: Clarity Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:38:28
: grace Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:05:39
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
I like this Grace thank you.
Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?
And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)
Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.
Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ
I do not deny the power of the Holy Spirit!
Grace, I never said you did.
Can you see how the King is subject to One greater than he?
: Clarity Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 06:45:54
: grace Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 06:24:21
: Clarity Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:38:28
: grace Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:05:39
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
I like this Grace thank you.
Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?
And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)
Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.
Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ
I do not deny the power of the Holy Spirit!
Grace, I never said you did.
Can you see how the King is subject to One greater than he?
Yes! Even in their unity...
Just as the church is to Jesus
The wife is to the husband
Jesus is to God
: grace Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 07:24:09
: Clarity Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 06:45:54
: grace Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 06:24:21
: Clarity Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:38:28
: grace Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:05:39
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
I like this Grace thank you.
Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?
And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)
Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.
Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ
I do not deny the power of the Holy Spirit!
Grace, I never said you did.
Can you see how the King is subject to One greater than he?
Yes! Even in their unity...
Just as the church is to Jesus
The wife is to the husband
Jesus is to God
So in this admission you do not believe Jesus is God? as you dont believe the Bride is the Husband?
Though they manifest the same love and are one in mind and purpose.
A king is also a "lord." King is to dominion (authority), while lord (territory, ownership) relates to domain.
We are Citizens or stewards, not owners.
Our greatest confession "Jesus Christ is Lord." We have no more rights to our own life.
Thanksgiving is acknowledgement of His Lordship.
He is either Lord of all, or He is not Lord at all.
The good news of the Kingdom that Jesus preached is not just that we can have our sins forgiven, but also that we can have our Kingdom back that Adam lost.
: Clarity Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 07:26:31
: grace Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 07:24:09
: Clarity Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 06:45:54
: grace Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 06:24:21
: Clarity Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:38:28
: grace Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:05:39
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
I like this Grace thank you.
Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?
And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)
Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.
Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ
I do not deny the power of the Holy Spirit!
Grace, I never said you did.
Can you see how the King is subject to One greater than he?
Yes! Even in their unity...
Just as the church is to Jesus
The wife is to the husband
Jesus is to God
So in this admission you do not believe Jesus is God? as you dont believe the Bride is the Husband?
Though they manifest the same love and are one in mind and purpose.
Yes, I do believe that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man!
Clarity
If I am understanding you correctly you are denying that Jesus is eternal and therefore not God. Then how can he also be the savior of the world? Please be clear because at this point I view you as teaching a different religion than Christianity which is not the purpose of this board and against forum rules. If this is the case I will be obligated to submitt you to be ban. If you view yourself as a Christian with non traditional views we have a subforum for those views to be discussed. This forum is for discussion of traditional views. Belief that Jesus is a created being and not eternal is clearly outside traditional Christian theology.
Because of Bittersweet's public questioning of a moserator I split the last couple of post and put them in the dumpster.
1 Peter 2:9, 10
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
The precious blood of Jesus that did call us out of our darkness unto His marvelous light that has made us a royal priesthood that we can sing praises to His name.
: Johnb Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 07:57:45
Clarity
If I am understanding you correctly you are denying that Jesus is eternal and therefore not God. Then how can he also be the savior of the world? Please be clear because at this point I view you as teaching a different religion than Christianity which is not the purpose of this board and against forum rules. If this is the case I will be obligated to submitt you to be ban. If you view yourself as a Christian with non traditional views we have a subforum for those views to be discussed. This forum is for discussion of traditional views. Belief that Jesus is a created being and not eternal is clearly outside traditional Christian theology.
Hi John,
Jesus is eternal but as you would agree eternal does not mean he is from everlasting to everlasting. If you were glorified and took on the divine nature it could be said you are now eternal...though you were not prevoiusly.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.(Rom 8:19)
Christ is included in the verse John - you cannot remove him though many would try. Jesus is the firstborn of many Sons who will be eternal creatures on earth.
John, surely you would be aware of the many verses that teach Jesus is a created being. First begotten, first born, creature, Son of Man etc.
Any sound Bible student cannot avoid these truth's by focusing on what he "became" after his death, ressurection and ascension.
Leave it with.
Clarity.
No I do not agree. The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God. What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being. That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God. This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum. Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.
: grace Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 07:28:56
A king is also a "lord." King is to dominion (authority), while lord (territory, ownership) relates to domain.
We are Citizens or stewards, not owners.
Our greatest confession "Jesus Christ is Lord." We have no more rights to our own life.
Thanksgiving is acknowledgement of His Lordship.
He is either Lord of all, or He is not Lord at all.
The good news of the Kingdom that Jesus preached is not just that we can have our sins forgiven, but also that we can have our Kingdom back that Adam lost.
Amen, grace, and manna to you!
Jesus is Lord!
: Johnb Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:02:32
No I do not agree. The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God. What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being. That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God. This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum. Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.
IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.
: Lively Stone Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:14:43
: Johnb Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:02:32
No I do not agree. The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God. What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being. That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God. This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum. Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.
IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.
The thread was a disaster from the outset; it shows how absurd your Jesus is God theology is when fools begin teaching the blood was Gods actual blood.
I am astounded the mods didnt trash it.
: Clarity Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:26:52
: Lively Stone Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:14:43
: Johnb Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:02:32
No I do not agree. The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God. What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being. That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God. This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum. Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.
IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.
The thread was a disaster from the outset; it shows how absurd your Jesus is God theology is when fools begin teaching the blood was Gods actual blood.
I am astounded the mods didnt trash it.
It actually shows by comparison just how bad your theology is.
Jesus as God incarnate shed His own innocent blood as the requirement for the atonement for all sin. Our eternal life depends upon that blood.
: Lively Stone Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 01:41:47
: Clarity Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:26:52
: Lively Stone Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:14:43
: Johnb Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:02:32
No I do not agree. The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God. What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being. That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God. This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum. Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.
IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.
The thread was a disaster from the outset; it shows how absurd your Jesus is God theology is when fools begin teaching the blood was Gods actual blood.
I am astounded the mods didnt trash it.
It actually shows by comparison just how bad your theology is.
Jesus as God incarnate shed His own innocent blood as the requirement for the atonement for all sin. Our eternal life depends upon that blood.
Lots of words strung together which have no bearing on the Truth - you cannot take me to a passage to prove any of this - you may as well quote from some fairytale...for it would more inspiration than your words.
: Clarity Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 05:46:13
: Lively Stone Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 01:41:47
: Clarity Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:26:52
: Lively Stone Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:14:43
: Johnb Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:02:32
No I do not agree. The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God. What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being. That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God. This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum. Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.
IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.
The thread was a disaster from the outset; it shows how absurd your Jesus is God theology is when fools begin teaching the blood was Gods actual blood.
I am astounded the mods didnt trash it.
It actually shows by comparison just how bad your theology is.
Jesus as God incarnate shed His own innocent blood as the requirement for the atonement for all sin. Our eternal life depends upon that blood.
Lots of words strung together which have no bearing on the Truth - you cannot take me to a passage to prove any of this - you may as well quote from some fairytale...for it would more inspiration than your words.
Brethren in Christ wouldn't say what you have just said. You have just made yourself an enemy of Christ.
Romans 5:9
And since we have been made right in God's sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God's condemnation.
: Clarity Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 17:48:25
: Johnb Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 07:57:45
Clarity
If I am understanding you correctly you are denying that Jesus is eternal and therefore not God. Then how can he also be the savior of the world? Please be clear because at this point I view you as teaching a different religion than Christianity which is not the purpose of this board and against forum rules. If this is the case I will be obligated to submitt you to be ban. If you view yourself as a Christian with non traditional views we have a subforum for those views to be discussed. This forum is for discussion of traditional views. Belief that Jesus is a created being and not eternal is clearly outside traditional Christian theology.
Hi John,
Jesus is eternal but as you would agree eternal does not mean he is from everlasting to everlasting. If you were glorified and took on the divine nature it could be said you are now eternal...though you were not prevoiusly.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.(Rom 8:19)
Christ is included in the verse John - you cannot remove him though many would try. Jesus is the firstborn of many Sons who will be eternal creatures on earth.
John, surely you would be aware of the many verses that teach Jesus is a created being. First begotten, first born, creature, Son of Man etc.
Any sound Bible student cannot avoid these truth's by focusing on what he "became" after his death, ressurection and ascension.
Leave it with.
Clarity.
Didn't Jesus manifest God while he was on earth?
Don't we manifest the the Holy Spirit through the gifts?
Doesn't Jesus claim himself to be God?
In the Old Testament, the prophet Isaiah quoted Jehovah as saying that He (Jehovah) is "the first and the last." In the New Testament, Jesus says that He (Jesus) is "the First and the Last." Jesus is Jehovah God.
: grace Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 07:56:16
: Clarity Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 17:48:25
: Johnb Mon Jul 16, 2012 - 07:57:45
Clarity
If I am understanding you correctly you are denying that Jesus is eternal and therefore not God. Then how can he also be the savior of the world? Please be clear because at this point I view you as teaching a different religion than Christianity which is not the purpose of this board and against forum rules. If this is the case I will be obligated to submitt you to be ban. If you view yourself as a Christian with non traditional views we have a subforum for those views to be discussed. This forum is for discussion of traditional views. Belief that Jesus is a created being and not eternal is clearly outside traditional Christian theology.
Hi John,
Jesus is eternal but as you would agree eternal does not mean he is from everlasting to everlasting. If you were glorified and took on the divine nature it could be said you are now eternal...though you were not prevoiusly.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.(Rom 8:19)
Christ is included in the verse John - you cannot remove him though many would try. Jesus is the firstborn of many Sons who will be eternal creatures on earth.
John, surely you would be aware of the many verses that teach Jesus is a created being. First begotten, first born, creature, Son of Man etc.
Any sound Bible student cannot avoid these truth's by focusing on what he "became" after his death, ressurection and ascension.
Leave it with.
Clarity.
Didn't Jesus manifest God while he was on earth? YES
Don't we manifest the the Holy Spirit through the gifts? YOU DONT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
Doesn't Jesus claim himself to be God? NO
In the Old Testament, the prophet Isaiah quoted Jehovah as saying that He (Jehovah) is "the first and the last." In the New Testament, Jesus says that He (Jesus) is "the First and the Last." Jesus is Jehovah God. GOD CREATES THE FIRST AND THE LAST _ GOD HIMSELF HAS NO BEGINNING _ JESUS DOES.
: Clarity Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 19:31:53
Don't we manifest the the Holy Spirit through the gifts? YOU DONT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
Clarity, what do you mean?
: Clarity Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 19:31:53
Doesn't Jesus claim himself to be God? NO
YES.John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
James 8:57-59 "You are not yet fifty years old," they said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
"Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born,
I am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
John 20:28-29 Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." (This is Thomas speaking, but Christ does not correct Him or tell him to be quiet when he calls Him "My Lord and my God"
How
else do we know Jesus is God?
Matthew 1:23 The virgin will be with child (Jesus) and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
: Clarity Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 19:31:53
Didn't Jesus manifest God while he was on earth? YES
Don't we manifest the the Holy Spirit through the gifts? YOU DONT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
You reject the scriptures that teach us that we have Holy Spirit dwelling within us, and that He imparts special gifts to us.
Doesn't Jesus claim himself to be God? NO
Yes, He sure does!
In the Old Testament, the prophet Isaiah quoted Jehovah as saying that He (Jehovah) is "the first and the last." In the New Testament, Jesus says that He (Jesus) is "the First and the Last." Jesus is Jehovah God. GOD CREATES THE FIRST AND THE LAST _ GOD HIMSELF HAS NO BEGINNING _ JESUS DOES.
The Son has always been with the Father. The man, Jesus entered history for a brief moment in time to fulfill God's plan for our redemption. He has always been the God the Son, and always will be.
bye bye
: Clarity Wed Jul 18, 2012 - 00:25:34
: MeMyself Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 19:44:09
: Clarity Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 19:31:53
Don't we manifest the the Holy Spirit through the gifts? YOU DONT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
Clarity, what do you mean?
Precisely what I said.
Yes, well...could you humor me then and explain it to me. Thanks ever so. I want to make sure I'm understanding exactly what you are saying before I got further.
: Clarity Wed Jul 18, 2012 - 00:25:34
There is no value in quoting Scripture if you cannot provide contextual understanding - you are wasting everyones time.
Clarity
::shrug:: ::juggle::
: Clarity Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:46:37
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:41:06
: grace Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 22:05:39
Jesus! Yes..King of kings..
A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power. He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority. The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.
Now there's a person who understands Kingdom theology as it has been given us in the Gospel of the Kingdom
Weak Gospel Weak!
And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)
The Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King?
You have no answers Gospel - you say one thing and the Bible teaches another.
When will you come clean!
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
That vesture dipped in blood is Jesus Christ. We see the word of God (God's begotten Son) return in power and glory, wearing his earthly suite of Earthly authority, to purchase his earthly subjects, and his earthly footstool with his earthly suite, as our high priest.
1Co 15:28
this verse is talking about a future that is far from now, perhaps eons. This only happens even after death and the devil have been destroyed or reformed in rev 20.
: gospel Sun Jul 15, 2012 - 15:54:12
Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.
Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.
In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity
Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5
Jesus was begotten of God by the Holy Spirit which makes him of God's bloodline for our spirit resides in our blood. That is why God says a man's life is in his blood. It can not mean that a man's blood loss is the only way to loose his life, because a man can die without a single drop of blood. When we discribe men's demeanor, we say they are either of bad blood or good bloodline. It is a scientific fact that not one drop of the mothers blood enters a child. The seed of the man contains the blood and theirfor bloodline of the child. Jesus is the Seed of God for he is the Word of God and we become children of God when we accept the Word/Seed and receive the Spirit of God to indwell us. For the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit are one God and no one can come to the Father but by accepting His Son The Word. A man's word reveals the man and the bloodline of a man rather of bad blood or a good bloodline. Jesus was sent to reveal the Father to us, for the Father and His Word are one in Spirit
Jesus was the only begotten Son of the Father by the Spirit and The Word reveals to us the Father.
Jesus said that he was the Bread of life, the Spirit is the Spirit of life and Jesus is also the Word of life. When we eat his flesh and drink his blood, we are to be implanting the Word of God in us feeding on the Word, for the Word the Bible tells us is the SEED of God and the Seed of a man carries the bloodline. God gave us His Word, His very SEED and Spirit to rebirth us as SON'S OF GOD.
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.10 In this the children of God are manifest,
and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
KJV
Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this:
The seed is the word of God.
KJV
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions,
till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
KJV
1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of
the Word of life;
2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
KJV
Rev 11:11
11 And after three days and an half
the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
KJV
John 6:35
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the
bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
KJV
Gen 9:4-6
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
KJV
Lev 17:11-14
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.
13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.
KJV
John 6:53-58
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
KJV
: Clarity Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 19:31:53
Didn't Jesus manifest God while he was on earth? YES
Don't we manifest the the Holy Spirit through the gifts? YOU DONT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
Doesn't Jesus claim himself to be God? NO
In the Old Testament, the prophet Isaiah quoted Jehovah as saying that He (Jehovah) is "the first and the last." In the New Testament, Jesus says that He (Jesus) is "the First and the Last." Jesus is Jehovah God. GOD CREATES THE FIRST AND THE LAST _ GOD HIMSELF HAS NO BEGINNING _ JESUS DOES.
The answers you posted in Bold...
Didn't Jesus say He came from heaven? Who else would come from heaven?
You say we do not have the Holy Spirit...how do we manifest something we do not have? If the Holy Spirit is not in us how can He be manifested through us?
"A voice of one calling: "In the desert prepare the way for the LORD [Jehovah]; make straight in the wilderness a highway for
our God."" (Isaiah 40:3)
"In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the Desert of Judea and saying, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: "A voice of one calling in the desert, 'Prepare the way for
the Lord, make straight paths for him.'"" (Matthew 3:1-3)
In the Old Testament, Isaiah prophesied about someone calling out to prepare the way for Jehovah God. In the New Testament, Matthew tells us that John the Baptist is the fulfillment of Isaiah's prophecy. John the Baptist told people to prepare the way for Jesus, and therefore Jesus is Jehovah God. I have more for you to explain away before you can convince me Jesus is not God ... ::smile::
JESUS SINLESS
The Bible teaches in addition that Jesus was a SINLESS man. While all men from Adam to this day are born with Adam's sinful nature, and, therefore, are subject to the curse and eternal death, the Man Jesus was without sin and, therefore, DEATHLESS until He took the sin of others upon Himself and died THEIR death. Now while Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh yet He did not inherit Adam's nature. This alone will prove that sin is not transmitted through the flesh. It is transmitted through the blood and not the flesh, and even though Jesus was of the "Seed of David according to the flesh" this could not make him a sinner.
God has made of ONE BLOOD ALL THE NATIONS of the earth. Sinful heredity is transmitted through the blood and not through the flesh. Even though Jesus, therefore, received His flesh, His body from a sinful race, He could still be sinless as long as not a drop blood of this sinful race entered His veins. God must find a way whereby Jesus could be perfectly human according to the flesh and yet not have the blood of sinful humanity. That was the problem solved by the virgin birth.
ORIGIN OF THE BLOOD
It is now definitely known that the blood which flows in an unborn babies arteries and veins is not derived from the mother but is produced within the body of the foetus itself only after the introduction of the male sperm. An unfertilized ovum can never develop blood since the female egg does not by itself contain the elements essential for the production of this blood. It is only after the male element has entered the ovum that blood can develop. As a very simple illustration of this, think of the egg of a hen. An unfertilized egg is just an ovum on a much larger scale than the human ovum. You may incubate this unfertilized hens egg but it will never develop. It will decay and become rotten, but no chick will result. Let that egg be fertilized by the introduction of the male sperm and incubation will bring to light the presence of LIFE IN THAT EGG. After a few hours it visibly develops. In a little while red streaks occur in the egg denoting the presence of Blood. This can never occur and does never occur until THE MALE SPERM HAS BEEN UNITED WITH THE FEMALE OVUM. The male element has added life to the egg. Life is in the blood according to scripture, for Moses says:
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood." (Leviticus 17:11). "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof."
Leviticus 17:14
Since there is no life in the egg until the male sperm unites with it, and the life is in the blood, it follows that the male sperm is the source of the blood, the seed of life. Think it through.
NO MOTHERS BLOOD
For this very reason, it is unnecessary that a single drop of blood be given to the developing embryo in the womb of the mother. Such is the case according to science. The mother provides the foetus (the unborn developing infant) with the nutritive elements for the building of that little body in the secret of her bosom, but all the blood which forms in that little body is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the contribution of the male parent. From the time of conception to the time of birth of the infant not ONE SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD ever passes from mother to child. The placenta that mass of temporary tissue known better as "afterbirth," forming the union between mother and child is so constructed that although all the soluble nutritive elements such as proteins, fats, carbohydrates, salts, minerals and even antibodies pass freely from mother to child and the waste products of the child's metabolism are passed back to the mothers circulation, no actual interchange of a single drop of blood ever occurs normally. All the blood which is in that child is produced within the child itself as a result of the introduction of the male sperm. The mother contributes no blood at all.
TESTIMONY OF SCIENCE
Now for the sake of some of the skeptics who may doubt these statements let me quote from a few reliable authorities. In Howell's Textbook of Physiology, Second Edition, pages 885 and 886, I read:
"For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the foetus (the unborn child) bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The fetal and maternal blood DO NOT COME INTO ACTUAL CONTACT. THEY ARE SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER by the walls of the fetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villae."
Or let me quote from Williams' Practice of Obstetrics, Third Edition, page 133. Here I quote,
"The fetal blood in the vessels of the chorionic villae AT NO TIME GAINS ACCESS TO THE MATERNAL BLOOD in the intervillous space, BEING SEPARATED FROM ONE ANOTHER by the double layer of chorionic epithelium."
And from page 136 of the same recognized textbook I quote,
"Normally there is no communication between the fetal blood and the maternal blood."
Now for the benefit of those of you who may be nurses, let me quote from a textbook which is familiar to you. Quoting from "Nurse's Handbook of Obstetrics" by Louise Zabriskie, R.N., Fifth Edition, page 75:
"When the circulation of the blood begins in the embryo, it remains separate and distinct from that of the mother. All food and waste material which are interchanged between the embryo and the mother must pass through the blood vessel walls from one circulation to the other."
And from page 82 of the same book --
"The foetus receives its nourishment and oxygen from the mothers blood into its own through the medium of the placenta. The fetal heart pumps blood through the arteries of the umbilical cord into the placental vessels, which, looping in and out of the uterine tissue and lying in close contact with the uterine vessels, permit a diffusion, through their walls, of waste products from child to mother and of nourishment and oxygen from mother to child. As has been said, this interchange is effected by the process of osmosis, and there is no direct mingling of the two blood currents. In other words, no maternal blood actually flows to the foetus, nor is there any direct fetal blood flow to the mother."
GOD'S WONDERFUL PROVISION
How wonderfully God prepared for the virgin birth of His Son. When He created woman He made her so that no blood would be able to pass from her to her offspring. That blood is the result of the male. Since Adam was the federal head of the race, it is HIS BLOOD which transmits Adam's Sin. In order to produce a sinless man and yet be the son of Adam, God must provide a way whereby that man would have a human body derived from Adam but have not a drop of Adam's sinful blood. Right here is the scientific biological reason for the sinlessness of the Man Christ Jesus. Some have tried to answer the question, "How could He be sinless and yet born of a woman?" by making Mary the "Immaculate Virgin." That, however, does not answer the question of how JESUS was sinless since it is through the male that the bloodline runs.
Not only is this a scientific fact, but it is plainly taught in Scripture that Jesus partook of human flesh without Adam's blood. In Hebrews 2:14 we read,
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood. He also himself likewise took part of the same -- "
You will notice that the children, that is the human children, are said to be partakers of FLESH and BLOOD, and then speaking of Jesus it says that He "himself likewise took part of the same." The Word "took part" as applying to Christ is an entirely different word then "partakers" as applied to the children. In the margin of my Bible, I read the word translated "took part" implies "taking part in something outside one's self." The Greek word for partakers is "KOYNONEHO" and means "to share fully," so that all of Adam's children share fully in Adam's flesh and blood. When we read that Jesus "took part of the same" the word is "METECHO" which means to take "part" but not all. The Children take both flesh and blood of Adam but Christ took only part, that is the flesh part, while the blood was the result of supernatural conception.
Jesus was a perfect human being after the flesh. He was of the seed of David according to the flesh, but blood is that part of a man which is the divine addition. In the creation of man, Adam's body was made from the dust of the earth, but God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Since life is in the blood, this act resulted in the formation of blood in Adam's body, but the first Adam's blood was corrupted and sin transmitted through it to all mankind. In the last Adam and the second man, new and divine and sinless blood was produced in a body that was the seed of Adam and by this resulted in the production of —
DIVINE BLOOD
Conception by the Holy Ghost then was the only way the Virgin Birth could be accomplished. Mary contributed the body of Jesus and He became the "seed of David according to the flesh." The Holy Spirit contributed the Blood of Jesus. It was sinless blood. It was Divine blood. It is Precious Blood for there has never been any other like it. It is —
INNOCENT BLOOD
"I have betrayed the innocent blood" Judas confessed in Matthew 27:4. Our Lord was innocent. He became like unto us in all things — SIN only excepted. Like unto us with ONE EXCEPTION and that exception was that instead of a human father He was conceived by a DIVINE FATHER. As a result biologically, He had DIVINE BLOOD, SINLESS BLOOD. Because this blood is sinless it is —
INCORRUPTIBLE BLOOD
Sin made human blood corruptible. Soon after death, decay sets in, and it begins in the blood. That is why meat must be drained well of its blood. That is why embalmers place the embalming fluid in the blood. David said that Jesus' body should "see no corruption." Though He was dead three days and three nights, His body did not corrupt. Because He was sinless they could not put Him to death but instead He "laid down His life voluntarily that He might take it up again." He arose by His own power because death had no claim in HIM except the claim of others' sin, and when that was paid —
"Death cannot keep his prey, Jesus, my Saviour,
He tore the bars away, Jesus, My Lord.
Up from the grave He arose,
With a mighty triumph o'er His foes."
Sinner, have you received this Saviour and have you been washed in His PRECIOUS BLOOD? If not, you are still under the curse and the awful sentence of death. Why not accept HIM today and hear Him as he says:
"God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then being now JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
: Johnb Tue Jul 17, 2012 - 00:02:32
No I do not agree. The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God. What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being. That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God. This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum. Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.
Jesus is the SEED OF GOD BEING and the Seed is the Word who carries the bloodline of GOD.
Luke 8:11
11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
KJV