Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
Do you really know what you are saying? Come on---spell it out.
The common Christian position which is that one is condemned to eternally be in hell or heaven once one enters those domains. And being sent to live in heaven or hell after this earthly body is done with is also involves reincarnation into another form suitable for experiencing a heavenly or hellish life. Reincarnation does not mean just coming back to this earth but receiving our rewards.
Someone needs to research the definition of reincarnation.
: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
You're not serious?
'And just as it is appointed for(all) men once to die, and after that the certain judgement'
Heb 9 v27..
It is a commonly held although incorrect belief among Christians that reincarnation is contrary to their faith. In fact, there has never, ever been a papal edict issued against the teaching of reincarnation. Further, the early fathers of the church (see: Origen) who steadfastly taught reincarnation were hunted and destroyed by corrupt thinkers wanting people to believe that they only had one chance at life to "get it right."It wasn't a Church official or any Church procedure that ultimately stripped Christian teaching and understanding of reincarnation from the faithful. It was a politician, the emperor Justinian, who'd imprisoned the pope (Vigilius) because the latter had refused to outlaw the teaching.With the pope imprisoned, reincarnation was forever banished from Christianity in an illegal anathema proclaimed at the Fifth Ecumenical Council where Justinian had railroaded the voting by allowing only his own bishops, and not the pope's bishops, to attend.IMHO, political corruption, not divine inspiration, forever changed the face of the Church's teachings. For my money there is an ironic freedom in knowing that the Church has, in fact, never approved the suppressionof teaching reincarnation.
Go read it. Are you your children?
Exodus 34:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
And don't forget HOW to read the Bible..... That was not spoken to us... nor in the age of the New Testament.
: Willie T Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:35:49
Go read it. Are you your children?
Exodus 34:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
And don't forget HOW to read the Bible..... That was not spoken to us... nor in the age of the New Testament.
The whole Bible is for us. The New Testament did not nullify the Old, they are blended together.
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.
: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
what a horrid thing to say!!!! ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::
SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie!
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:54:06
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.
Exodus 20:5 try reading it.
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:57:45
: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
what a horrid thing to say!!!! ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::
SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie!
GOD DOESN'T LIE...
Read Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28...We can pick the sin, but we can't pick the consequence!
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:01:10
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:57:45
: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
what a horrid thing to say!!!! ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::
SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie!
GOD DOESN'T LIE...
Read Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28...We can pick the sin, but we can't pick the consequence!
No, you are right, HE doesn't...however... the same cannot be said for you, THANKFULLY!
God does not reincarnate us according to our sins. ::frown:: If He did...you might start watching how you represent Him...the next life would be hard with no tongue or way to communicate! ::shrug::
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:59:23
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:54:06
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.
Exodus 20:5 try reading it.
That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:05:45
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:59:23
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:54:06
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.
Exodus 20:5 try reading it.
That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!
Nope. You are wrong. Jesus suffered, and did it so our sin is washed away and remembered no more.
This you are trying to peddle is just bunk. Sickening!
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:02:59
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:01:10
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:57:45
: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
what a horrid thing to say!!!! ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::
SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie!
GOD DOESN'T LIE...
Read Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28...We can pick the sin, but we can't pick the consequence!
No, you are right, HE doesn't...however... the same cannot be said for you, THANKFULLY!
God does not reincarnate us according to our sins. ::frown:: If He did...you might start watching how you represent Him...the next life would be hard with no tongue or way to communicate! ::shrug::
Do you think a good or bad health and family life is luck of the draw?
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:09:13
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:02:59
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:01:10
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:57:45
: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
what a horrid thing to say!!!! ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::
SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie!
GOD DOESN'T LIE...
Read Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28...We can pick the sin, but we can't pick the consequence!
No, you are right, HE doesn't...however... the same cannot be said for you, THANKFULLY!
God does not reincarnate us according to our sins. ::frown:: If He did...you might start watching how you represent Him...the next life would be hard with no tongue or way to communicate! ::shrug::
Do you think a good or bad health and family life is luck of the draw?
I think you don't have a clue.
I also think you are LUCKY God has seen fit to allow you your good health.
I also think you need to read the word and pray for understanding.
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!
If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:07:05
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:05:45
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:59:23
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:54:06
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.
Exodus 20:5 try reading it.
That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!
Nope. You are wrong. Jesus suffered, and did it so our sin is washed away and remembered no more.
This you are trying to peddle is just bunk. Sickening!
Are you saying there is no punishment for sin?
Jesus told those He healed to go and sin no more or the punishment would be worse next time.
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:22:40
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:07:05
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:05:45
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:59:23
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:54:06
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.
Exodus 20:5 try reading it.
That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!
Nope. You are wrong. Jesus suffered, and did it so our sin is washed away and remembered no more.
This you are trying to peddle is just bunk. Sickening!
Are you saying there is no punishment for sin?
Jesus told those He healed to go and sin no more or the punishment would be worse next time.
Where is the verse that includes this OR ELSE?
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:21:24
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!
If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.
Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.
Deuteronomy 24:16
"Parents must not be put to death for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents. Those deserving to die must be put to death for their own crimes.
Ezekiel 18:20
he person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent's sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child's sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:26:47
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:21:24
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!
If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.
Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.
Get the verses right:
Lamentations 3:32-33Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
or causing them sorrow.
What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:23:56
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:22:40
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:07:05
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:05:45
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:59:23
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:54:06
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.
Exodus 20:5 try reading it.
That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!
Nope. You are wrong. Jesus suffered, and did it so our sin is washed away and remembered no more.
This you are trying to peddle is just bunk. Sickening!
Are you saying there is no punishment for sin?
Jesus told those He healed to go and sin no more or the punishment would be worse next time.
Where is the verse that includes this OR ELSE?
John 5:14; John 8:11
You know what?
my apologies for even entering into the discussion.
It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.
Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue
however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:30:04
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:26:47
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:21:24
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!
If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.
Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.
Get the verses right:
Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
or causing them sorrow.
What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?
The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.
Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?
Uh.... Guys... Let's slow down. New Testament?
We have to read the verses for what they were, and to whom they were written. None of that was written to today's Christians... which I think many of you are.
The entire Bible was certainly written FOR us, but in no way all of it TO us. If it were, we'd all be dead right now.
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:36:56
You know what?
my apologies for even entering into the discussion.
It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.
Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue
however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!
Only disagree if you have Bible proof. Study, study, study...
God would not allow the Priests to serve Him if they had any health defect.
: Willie T Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:40:13
Uh.... Guys... Let's slow down. New Testament?
We have to read the verses for what they were, and to whom they were written. None of that was written to today's Christians... which I think many of you are.
The entire Bible was certainly written FOR us, but in no way all of it TO us. If it were, we'd all be dead right now.
The whole Bible was written for us!
The only reason we do die is because of sin.
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:42:56
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:36:56
You know what?
my apologies for even entering into the discussion.
It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.
Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue
however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!
Only disagree if you have Bible proof. Study, study, study...
God would not allow the Priests to serve Him if they had any health defect.
Last post:
I have studied...thanks
The priests not being allowed to serve is NOT an argument for reincarnation and does not support your false and ugly accusation of the reason some are born with difficulties. ::frown:: ::cryingtears::
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:48:09
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:42:56
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:36:56
You know what?
my apologies for even entering into the discussion.
It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.
Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue
however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!
Only disagree if you have Bible proof. Study, study, study...
God would not allow the Priests to serve Him if they had any health defect.
Last post:
I have studied...thanks
The priests not being allowed to serve is NOT an argument for reincarnation and does not support your false and ugly accusation of the reason some are born with difficulties. ::frown:: ::cryingtears::
From the Bible, why do you think it happens?
Exodus 34:7 Is the only answer.
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:37:41
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:30:04
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:26:47
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:21:24
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!
If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.
Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.
Get the verses right:
Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
or causing them sorrow.
What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?
The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.
Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?
No one has said that we are punished for living in a fallen world, but we are punished for rejecting Jesus Christ out of our fallen nature.
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 18:26:48
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:48:09
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:42:56
: MeMyself Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:36:56
You know what?
my apologies for even entering into the discussion.
It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.
Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue
however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!
Only disagree if you have Bible proof. Study, study, study...
God would not allow the Priests to serve Him if they had any health defect.
Last post:
I have studied...thanks
The priests not being allowed to serve is NOT an argument for reincarnation and does not support your false and ugly accusation of the reason some are born with difficulties. ::frown:: ::cryingtears::
From the Bible, why do you think it happens?
Exodus 34:7 Is the only answer.
Deuteronomy 24:16 "Parents must not be put to death for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents. Those deserving to die must be put to death for their own crimes.
Ezekiel 18:20The person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent's sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child's sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:11:54
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:37:41
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:30:04
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:26:47
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:21:24
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!
If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.
Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.
Get the verses right:
Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
or causing them sorrow.
What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?
The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.
Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?
No one has said that we are punished for living in a fallen world, but we are punished for rejecting Jesus Christ out of our fallen nature.
So are you saying the reason why are some born without arms and legs and others have beautiful lives is because the bad rejected Jesus and the good were born again?
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:46:33
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:11:54
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:37:41
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:30:04
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:26:47
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:21:24
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!
If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.
Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.
Get the verses right:
Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
or causing them sorrow.
What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?
The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.
Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?
No one has said that we are punished for living in a fallen world, but we are punished for rejecting Jesus Christ out of our fallen nature.
So are you saying the reason why are some born without arms and legs and others have beautiful lives is because the bad rejected Jesus and the good were born again?
NO! Where do you get that idea? I think you are actually saying that, aren't you?
God is not responsible for people born with defects. Sin is. Not their personal sin---just sin in general. It is the fallen world we live in. Satan screwed the entire planet up. He mourns over the tragedies we see, also.
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:54:59
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:46:33
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:11:54
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:37:41
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:30:04
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:26:47
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:21:24
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!
If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.
Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.
Get the verses right:
Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
or causing them sorrow.
What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?
The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.
Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?
No one has said that we are punished for living in a fallen world, but we are punished for rejecting Jesus Christ out of our fallen nature.
So are you saying the reason why are some born without arms and legs and others have beautiful lives is because the bad rejected Jesus and the good were born again?
NO! Where do you get that idea? I think you are actually saying that, aren't you?
God is not responsible for people born with defects. Sin is. Not their personal sin---just sin in general. It is the fallen world we live in. Satan screwed the entire planet up. He mourns over the tragedies we see, also.
Satan was made by God and has no power, except that God gives Him.
Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 says all sickness comes form Gog as a punishment for sin.
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 21:04:55
Satan was made by God and has no power, except that God gives Him.
Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 says all sickness comes form Gog as a punishment for sin.
Seeing as my God is my Healer and His promise is to heal all my diseases, your claim would make Him a liar, wouldn't it?
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 23:20:09
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 21:04:55
Satan was made by God and has no power, except that God gives Him.
Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 says all sickness comes form Gog as a punishment for sin.
Seeing as my God is my Healer and His promise is to heal all my diseases, your claim would make Him a liar, wouldn't it?
God also punishes for sin...There will be healing for sinners even in Heaven.
In Rev. 22:2, on "the new earth," we see "the Tree of life" that yields fruit every month, the "leaves" of which are "for the healing of the nations" (Rev. 22:2). This teaches us that in the new earth, "the nations" are in need of continual healing.
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 08:36:28
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 23:20:09
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 21:04:55
Satan was made by God and has no power, except that God gives Him.
Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 says all sickness comes form Gog as a punishment for sin.
Seeing as my God is my Healer and His promise is to heal all my diseases, your claim would make Him a liar, wouldn't it?
God also punishes for sin...There will be healing for sinners even in Heaven.
In Rev. 22:2, on "the new earth," we see "the Tree of life" that yields fruit every month, the "leaves" of which are "for the healing of the nations" (Rev. 22:2). This teaches us that in the new earth, "the nations" are in need of continual healing.
Oh, really?
Where does it say there is sin or sinners in Heaven? The Tree of Life is for restoration.
Don't you think you need to reconcile what you are saying with:
Revelation 2:3?
There shall no longer exist there anything that is accursed (detestable, foul, offensive, impure, hateful, or horrible).
: Lively Stone Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 15:12:41
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 08:36:28
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 23:20:09
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 21:04:55
Satan was made by God and has no power, except that God gives Him.
Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 says all sickness comes form Gog as a punishment for sin.
Seeing as my God is my Healer and His promise is to heal all my diseases, your claim would make Him a liar, wouldn't it?
God also punishes for sin...There will be healing for sinners even in Heaven.
In Rev. 22:2, on "the new earth," we see "the Tree of life" that yields fruit every month, the "leaves" of which are "for the healing of the nations" (Rev. 22:2). This teaches us that in the new earth, "the nations" are in need of continual healing.
Oh, really?
Where does it say there is sin or sinners in Heaven? The Tree of Life is for restoration.
Don't you think you need to reconcile what you are saying with:
Revelation 2:3?
There shall no longer exist there anything that is accursed (detestable, foul, offensive, impure, hateful, or horrible).
Everything in Revelation is writen in code as John was in prison when it was written.
There isn't sin in Heaven but there will always be sinners who when they repent can go there and recieve healing.
We are in the Kingdom of Heaven, so this applies to us today.
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 19:50:08
We are in the Kingdom of Heaven, so this applies to us today.
::frown::
::doh::
::laughingatquote:: ::laughinghisterically::
::whatever::
this may be your kingdom heaven............. BUT IT AINT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
: fenton Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 20:27:33
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 19:50:08
We are in the Kingdom of Heaven, so this applies to us today.
::frown::
::doh::
::laughingatquote:: ::laughinghisterically::
::whatever::
this may be your kingdom heaven............. BUT IT AINT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes we are in the Kingdom of Heaven because Jesus didn't lie when He said The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Those who focus merely on the physical realm here below and do not set our minds on the things above will miss the fulfillment of these things. What is mankind's worst enemy? Physical death or spiritual death? What did Christ come to conquer? Physical death or spiritual death? When was the last ultimate enemy (spiritual death) finally conquered? Is it still unconquered? Has Christ restored His tree of life to us? Have we been gathered into His heavenly kingdom? Do we now have the fullness of spiritual life, or are we still in death's grip? Has Christ conquered, or are the Jews correct in pointing out that Jesus must not be the Messiah since He failed to bring physical peace and an end to physical death?
Many churches/religions have taught an 'escapist' doctrine, whereby God's people have been led to believe that we will one day be evacuated from all that is unpleasant and ungodly. This is not the doctrine of Scripture. The escapist mentality often leads to disappointment in God for 'leaving us here' through all the ups and downs of mankind's governments, economies, societies, etc.
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 22:15:01
: fenton Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 20:27:33
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 19:50:08
We are in the Kingdom of Heaven, so this applies to us today.
::frown::
::doh::
::laughingatquote:: ::laughinghisterically::
::whatever::
this may be your kingdom heaven............. BUT IT AINT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes we are in the Kingdom of Heaven because Jesus didn't lie when He said The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Those who focus merely on the physical realm here below and do not set our minds on the things above will miss the fulfillment of these things. What is mankind's worst enemy? Physical death or spiritual death? What did Christ come to conquer? Physical death or spiritual death? When was the last ultimate enemy (spiritual death) finally conquered? Is it still unconquered? Has Christ restored His tree of life to us? Have we been gathered into His heavenly kingdom? Do we now have the fullness of spiritual life, or are we still in death's grip? Has Christ conquered, or are the Jews correct in pointing out that Jesus must not be the Messiah since He failed to bring physical peace and an end to physical death?
Many churches/religions have taught an 'escapist' doctrine, whereby God's people have been led to believe that we will one day be evacuated from all that is unpleasant and ungodly. This is not the doctrine of Scripture. The escapist mentality often leads to disappointment in God for 'leaving us here' through all the ups and downs of mankind's governments, economies, societies, etc.
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 22:15:01
: fenton Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 20:27:33
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 19:50:08
We are in the Kingdom of Heaven, so this applies to us today.
::frown::
::doh::
::laughingatquote:: ::laughinghisterically::
::whatever::
this may be your kingdom heaven............. BUT IT AINT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes we are in the Kingdom of Heaven because Jesus didn't lie when He said The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Those who focus merely on the physical realm here below and do not set our minds on the things above will miss the fulfillment of these things. What is mankind's worst enemy? Physical death or spiritual death? What did Christ come to conquer? Physical death or spiritual death? When was the last ultimate enemy (spiritual death) finally conquered? Is it still unconquered? Has Christ restored His tree of life to us? Have we been gathered into His heavenly kingdom? Do we now have the fullness of spiritual life, or are we still in death's grip? Has Christ conquered, or are the Jews correct in pointing out that Jesus must not be the Messiah since He failed to bring physical peace and an end to physical death?
Many churches/religions have taught an 'escapist' doctrine, whereby God's people have been led to believe that we will one day be evacuated from all that is unpleasant and ungodly. This is not the doctrine of Scripture. The escapist mentality often leads to disappointment in God for 'leaving us here' through all the ups and downs of mankind's governments, economies, societies, etc.
::frown::
: fenton Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 20:27:33
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 19:50:08
We are in the Kingdom of Heaven, so this applies to us today.
::frown::
::doh::
::laughingatquote:: ::laughinghisterically::
::whatever::
this may be your kingdom heaven............. BUT IT AINT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Believe me, we are NOT in heaven. The Bible says that in heaven there will be no more crying and no more pain. We wont be in heaven till after we are dead.
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 19:50:08
: Lively Stone Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 15:12:41
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 08:36:28
: Lively Stone Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 23:20:09
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 21:04:55
Satan was made by God and has no power, except that God gives Him.
Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 says all sickness comes form Gog as a punishment for sin.
Seeing as my God is my Healer and His promise is to heal all my diseases, your claim would make Him a liar, wouldn't it?
God also punishes for sin...There will be healing for sinners even in Heaven.
In Rev. 22:2, on "the new earth," we see "the Tree of life" that yields fruit every month, the "leaves" of which are "for the healing of the nations" (Rev. 22:2). This teaches us that in the new earth, "the nations" are in need of continual healing.
Oh, really?
Where does it say there is sin or sinners in Heaven? The Tree of Life is for restoration.
Don't you think you need to reconcile what you are saying with:
Revelation 2:3?
There shall no longer exist there anything that is accursed (detestable, foul, offensive, impure, hateful, or horrible).
Everything in Revelation is writen in code as John was in prison when it was written.
Not everything is in code. What is in code is simply by how Jesus introduced the visions. He didn't have to get his stuff by the scrutiny of jailers, like modern day prisoners!
There isn't sin in Heaven but there will always be sinners who when they repent can go there and recieve healing.
Prove that sinners will have a place in Heaven using scripture!
We are in the Kingdom of Heaven, so this applies to us today.
No we are not in the Kingdom, although we are citizens. Right now the Kingdom is within us. We will enter the Kingdom either when we die or when we are translated.
There will always be sin in the world and Isaiah 9:7 says Jesus authority will continually grow. This world will never end. Look what is happening in China. In the last 20 years they now have more Christians than America. If there is no sin, why the healing trees to heal the nations? Rev 22:2
If Jesus is in your heart, you are in the Kingdom of Heaven. You can't get into a better Heaven than that.
: Funguy33 Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 09:36:46
There will always be sin in the world and Isaiah 9:7 says Jesus authority will continually grow. This world will never end. Look what is happening in China. In the last 20 years they now have more Christians than America. If there is no sin, why the healing trees to heal the nations? Rev 22:2
If Jesus is in your heart, you are in the Kingdom of Heaven. You can't get into a better Heaven than that.
There is no sin in Heaven, and it is foolish to suggest that there is. Healing doesn't assuage sin. It assuages wounds.
: chosenone Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 22:37:18
: fenton Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 20:27:33
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 19:50:08
We are in the Kingdom of Heaven, so this applies to us today.
::frown::
::doh::
::laughingatquote:: ::laughinghisterically::
::whatever::
this may be your kingdom heaven............. BUT IT AINT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Believe me, we are NOT in heaven. The Bible says that in heaven there will be no more crying and no more pain. We wont be in heaven till after we are dead.
The Savior wiped away the tears of His saints when He forever wiped away their sin and condemnation and saved them from Death. (Acts 3:19; Col. 2:14; Heb. 2:15; 5:7) In His Presence, His children no longer mourn for their perpetual sin and condemnation before Him. No longer do they hunger and thirst for want of Christ's Righteousness. (Matt. 5:6; Jn. 6:35) No longer do they wander in the desert wilderness, longing to enter into His Rest. (Heb. 4; 11:13-16) No longer do they suffer the pain (sting) of Death. (Acts 2:24; I Cor. 15:55-56; Heb. 2:15)
In the new heavens and earth, the Lamb is our Shepherd, so that there is no more outcry for salvation from sin and Death. For He leads us to the springs of living water (Jn. 4:10; 7:38) under the shade of the Tree of Life. In Him, there is "no longer any curse":
: Funguy33 Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 10:07:19
: chosenone Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 22:37:18
: fenton Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 20:27:33
: Funguy33 Tue Jul 24, 2012 - 19:50:08
We are in the Kingdom of Heaven, so this applies to us today.
::frown::
::doh::
::laughingatquote:: ::laughinghisterically::
::whatever::
this may be your kingdom heaven............. BUT IT AINT MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Believe me, we are NOT in heaven. The Bible says that in heaven there will be no more crying and no more pain. We wont be in heaven till after we are dead.
The Savior wiped away the tears of His saints when He forever wiped away their sin and condemnation and saved them from Death. (Acts 3:19; Col. 2:14; Heb. 2:15; 5:7) In His Presence, His children no longer mourn for their perpetual sin and condemnation before Him. No longer do they hunger and thirst for want of Christ's Righteousness. (Matt. 5:6; Jn. 6:35) No longer do they wander in the desert wilderness, longing to enter into His Rest. (Heb. 4; 11:13-16) No longer do they suffer the pain (sting) of Death. (Acts 2:24; I Cor. 15:55-56; Heb. 2:15)
In the new heavens and earth, the Lamb is our Shepherd, so that there is no more outcry for salvation from sin and Death. For He leads us to the springs of living water (Jn. 4:10; 7:38) under the shade of the Tree of Life. In Him, there is "no longer any curse":
Sorry, but our tears still fall. God will wipe them away when we see Him.
: Lively Stone Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 10:13:53
Sorry, but our tears still fall. God will wipe them away when we see Him.
::applause:: ::amen!::
Tears still? Yes. But nowhere as often, and not for many of the same reasons. Shortest verse in the Bible? : JESUS WEPT. (John 11:35)
And my tears are always wiped away if I can remember to turn to the Father and let Him do it.
: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
Funguy33 (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/profile/?u=27444), They are not mutually exclusive.
http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/about-nick/ (http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/about-nick/)
Imagine being born without arms. No arms to wrap around a friend ; no hands to hold the ones you love; no fingers to experience touch ; no way to lift or carry things. How much more difficult would life be if you were living without arms and hands? Or what about legs? Imagine if instead of no arms, you had no legs. No ability to dance, walk, run, or even stand. Now put both of those scenarios together... no arms and no legs. What would you do? How would that affect your everyday life?
"If just one more person finds eternal life in Jesus Christ....it is all worth it". You can help me spread this message (http://store.lifewithoutlimbs.org/categories/Donations/) today!Meet Nick Vujicic, pronounced 'Vooy-cheech'. Born in 1982 in Brisbane, Australia, without any medical explanation or warning, Nicholas Vujicic came into the world with neither arms nor legs. Imagine the shock his parents felt when they saw their first-born brand new baby boy for the first time, only to find he was what the world would consider imperfect and abnormal. A limbless son was not what nurse Dushka Vujicic, and her husband Pastor Boris Vujicic had been expecting. How would their son live a normal happy life? What could he ever do or become when living with such a massive disability? Little did they or anyone else know that this beautiful limbless baby would one day be someone who would inspire and motivate people from all walks of life. God uses Nick to touch lives and bring the hope of Jesus Christ to people across the globe.
: Victor08 Mon Sep 03, 2012 - 16:28:27
: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
Funguy33 (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/profile/?u=27444), They are not mutually exclusive.
http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/about-nick/ (http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/about-nick/)
Imagine being born without arms. No arms to wrap around a friend ; no hands to hold the ones you love; no fingers to experience touch ; no way to lift or carry things. How much more difficult would life be if you were living without arms and hands? Or what about legs? Imagine if instead of no arms, you had no legs. No ability to dance, walk, run, or even stand. Now put both of those scenarios together... no arms and no legs. What would you do? How would that affect your everyday life?
"If just one more person finds eternal life in Jesus Christ....it is all worth it". You can help me spread this message (http://store.lifewithoutlimbs.org/categories/Donations/) today!
Meet Nick Vujicic, pronounced 'Vooy-cheech'. Born in 1982 in Brisbane, Australia, without any medical explanation or warning, Nicholas Vujicic came into the world with neither arms nor legs. Imagine the shock his parents felt when they saw their first-born brand new baby boy for the first time, only to find he was what the world would consider imperfect and abnormal. A limbless son was not what nurse Dushka Vujicic, and her husband Pastor Boris Vujicic had been expecting. How would their son live a normal happy life? What could he ever do or become when living with such a massive disability? Little did they or anyone else know that this beautiful limbless baby would one day be someone who would inspire and motivate people from all walks of life. God uses Nick to touch lives and bring the hope of Jesus Christ to people across the globe.
I pray his next life will be normal. I sure he is praying for the same thing.
: Victor08 Mon Sep 03, 2012 - 16:28:27
Meet Nick Vujicic, pronounced 'Vooy-cheech'. Born in 1982 in Brisbane, Australia, without any medical explanation or warning, Nicholas Vujicic came into the world with neither arms nor legs. Imagine the shock his parents felt when they saw their first-born brand new baby boy for the first time, only to find he was what the world would consider imperfect and abnormal. A limbless son was not what nurse Dushka Vujicic, and her husband Pastor Boris Vujicic had been expecting. How would their son live a normal happy life? What could he ever do or become when living with such a massive disability? Little did they or anyone else know that this beautiful limbless baby would one day be someone who would inspire and motivate people from all walks of life. God uses Nick to touch lives and bring the hope of Jesus Christ to people across the globe.
Thank you for sharing this beautiful testimony!
: Funguy33 Mon Sep 03, 2012 - 19:15:08
: Victor08 Mon Sep 03, 2012 - 16:28:27
: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
Funguy33 (http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/profile/?u=27444), They are not mutually exclusive.
http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/about-nick/ (http://www.lifewithoutlimbs.org/about-nick/)
Imagine being born without arms. No arms to wrap around a friend ; no hands to hold the ones you love; no fingers to experience touch ; no way to lift or carry things. How much more difficult would life be if you were living without arms and hands? Or what about legs? Imagine if instead of no arms, you had no legs. No ability to dance, walk, run, or even stand. Now put both of those scenarios together... no arms and no legs. What would you do? How would that affect your everyday life?
"If just one more person finds eternal life in Jesus Christ....it is all worth it". You can help me spread this message (http://store.lifewithoutlimbs.org/categories/Donations/) today!
Meet Nick Vujicic, pronounced 'Vooy-cheech'. Born in 1982 in Brisbane, Australia, without any medical explanation or warning, Nicholas Vujicic came into the world with neither arms nor legs. Imagine the shock his parents felt when they saw their first-born brand new baby boy for the first time, only to find he was what the world would consider imperfect and abnormal. A limbless son was not what nurse Dushka Vujicic, and her husband Pastor Boris Vujicic had been expecting. How would their son live a normal happy life? What could he ever do or become when living with such a massive disability? Little did they or anyone else know that this beautiful limbless baby would one day be someone who would inspire and motivate people from all walks of life. God uses Nick to touch lives and bring the hope of Jesus Christ to people across the globe.
I pray his next life will be normal. I sure he is praying for the same thing.
If he didn't know Jesus, his prayers are moot. Our journey reaches its final destination when we breathe our last.
There is no next life apart from heaven for the righteous and hell for the unrighteous.
: Funguy33 Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:54:06
The whole Bible is for us. The New Testament did not nullify the Old, they are blended together.
The Old Testament if fulfilled (completed) in Christ, we are no longer obligated to obey the Old Testament which is the old covenant, and we will keep the old testament around as long as there are prophesies yet to be accomplished, this every letter and title answered for.
Click for more info:
Should we obey the Old Testament part one (http://discipledave.com/Obeyoldpartone.html)
Should we obey the Old Testament part two (http://discipledave.com/Obeyoldparttwo.html)
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: Funguy33 Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.
There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
John, Chapter 3
3:Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily,
I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see
the kingdom of God.
4:Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5:Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6:That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that
which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7:Marvel not that I said unto thee,
Ye must be born again.
Reincarnation the second birth!
since this has been brought back up: reincarnation offers a new body with the same sin nature. Jesus offers a new nature and, in the future, a new body. The choice is rather simple, isn't it? This, despite the fact reincarnation is a demonic myth. Look at what it has done for India!
: Willie T Wed Jul 25, 2012 - 10:29:58
Tears still? Yes. But nowhere as often, and not for many of the same reasons. Shortest verse in the Bible? : JESUS WEPT. (John 11:35)
OR - we can have our dads discipline them from us.
Heb 12.9a Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we paid them respect.
No tears for over 50 years here.