Heb 4:13
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
KJV
The Spirit of God who draws us to hunger for the Word, is the deposit of our adoption as a child of God and our spirit resides in our blood.
No blood of a mother enters the unborn child. All of the blood is from the father of the child and the blood of the child or mother never meet. If this were not true as science has proved it is, then Mary's blood would have contaminated the bloodline of the Seed of God being Jesus, the Word who became flesh. Only the Father's Spirit being the BLOODLINE ever entered the Son of God. Even after we physically die our bones still have our dna bloodline in the marrow. When Jesus was resurrected, many of the bones of the whole house of old test Israel God restored and He put His Spirit the breath of life in them and they came out of their graves just like Ez.37 tells us would happen. Once Jesus paid the debt, he went into hell and brought them out releasing many of them to life.
A child of God, must accept the Word or he can not be a child of God.
Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God {In the beginning was THE WORD.....}
KJV
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
KJV
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.KJV
Not only i this bad theology it is also bad science.
Does the fetus get its blood from the father?
No. A man's sperm carries exactly half of the DNA required to fertilize an ovium (woman's egg). It contains nothing more. Neither the sperm nor the ovium are capable of life without the other half of the DNA. When the halves of the DNA combine then there is enough to 'program' the cells to begin division/multiplication, which might result in a new being. This is true of all mammals, not just humans. The DNA combines so that the new entire whole is not exactly like either of the halves. So the sperm's DNA does influence the blood type of the child but there is nothing of the father except 1/2 of his DNA. Same is true for the mother.
: Johnb Sun Oct 28, 2012 - 15:31:51
Not only i this bad theology it is also bad science.
Does the fetus get its blood from the father?
No. A man's sperm carries exactly half of the DNA required to fertilize an ovium (woman's egg). It contains nothing more. Neither the sperm nor the ovium are capable of life without the other half of the DNA. When the halves of the DNA combine then there is enough to 'program' the cells to begin division/multiplication, which might result in a new being. This is true of all mammals, not just humans. The DNA combines so that the new entire whole is not exactly like either of the halves. So the sperm's DNA does influence the blood type of the child but there is nothing of the father except 1/2 of his DNA. Same is true for the mother.
Well thank you for your OPINION brother. But it is a proven fact that it is the father who is the bloodline of a child. Why do you think that a man can have many wives such as in the old testament, yet a woman is a whore if she sleeps with another man? It is because the SEED of the man carries the bloodline. So is the case with our Lord. He is the Seed of God by the Spirit and the Seed indwelling a man is what makes us a child of God and is why Jesus was not born of sinful man. Only his flesh had a likness of Mary but not His spirit which decides our geneology.
I am quoting from an article I have read which gives a couple of items to look up which science has proven it as fact:
"It is now definitely known that the blood which flows in an unborn babe's arteries and veins is not derived from the mother, but is produced within the body of the fetus. Yet it is only after the sperm has entered the ovum and the fetus begins to develop, that blood appears.
It is unnecessary that a single drop of blood be given to the developing embryo in the womb of the mother. Such is the case
according to scientists. The mother provides the fetus with the nutritive elements for the building of that little body in the secret of her womb, but all the blood which forms in it, is formed in the embryo itself. The mother contributes no blood at all!
This is quoted from the
Howell's Textbook of Physiology: "For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the fetus bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The fetal and maternal blood do not come in actual contact. They are separated from each other by the walls of the fetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villus."
The Holy Spirit was the life that flowed through the sinless blood of Jesus, and you can never separate the spirit from the blood, they work together. When did the outpouring of the Holy Spirit occur? It was not until after the blood of Jesus had been poured out at Calvary.
Additional facts from medical science they wrote:
Author Louise Zabriskie and RN wrote in a Nurses Handbook Of Obstetrics, "When the circulation of the blood begins in the embryo, it remains separate and distinct from that of the mother. All food and waste material which are interchanged between the embryo and the mother must pass through the blood vessel's walls from one circulation to the other.
The fetus receives its nourishment and oxygen from the mother's blood into its own through the medium of the placenta. The fetal heart pumps blood through the arteries of the umbilical cord into the placental vessels, which, looping in and out of the uterine tissue and lying in close contact with the uterine vessels, permit a diffusion, through their walls, of waste products from child to mother and nourishment and oxygen from the mother to child. As has been said, this interchange is effected the process of osmosis, and there is no direct mingling of the two blood currents. In other words no maternal blood actually flows to the fetus, nor is there and direct fetal blood flow to the mother." End of article.
quote afo4u
No blood of a mother enters the unborn child. All of the blood is from the father of the child and the blood of the child or mother never meet. If this were not true as science has proved it is, then Mary's blood would have contaminated the bloodline of the Seed of God being Jesus, the Word who became flesh
That simply is not true. here is one link and you can look up many.http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct98/904761588.Gb.r.html (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct98/904761588.Gb.r.html)
The fetus does not get either the mother or fathers blood but is a combination of the DNA of both and produces their own blood. That is the truth of science even if you do not want to accept it. Otherwise every clild would have the exact same blood type and RH factor as the father and that is not the case.
What I stated was not my opinion but scientific fact.
Now the birth of Jesus was a miracle where God caused Mary to conceive. Therefore we do not know if that event followed the normal laws of science. However it simply is not the case that a fetus gets their blood from the father. It is a combination of the DNA of both parents and is the blood of the fetus not the mother nor the father. This is basic science and to deny it is just silly.
I do try to label my opinions as that and IMO the birth of Jesus probably followed the normal laws of science other than God being the father that would aid in Him being both man and God at the same time . However, that is not a question that God chose to answer for us so I can only express an opinion.
: Johnb Sun Oct 28, 2012 - 18:31:24
quote afo4u
No blood of a mother enters the unborn child. All of the blood is from the father of the child and the blood of the child or mother never meet. If this were not true as science has proved it is, then Mary's blood would have contaminated the bloodline of the Seed of God being Jesus, the Word who became flesh
That simply is not true. here is one link and you can look up many.http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct98/904761588.Gb.r.html (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct98/904761588.Gb.r.html)
The fetus does not get either the mother or fathers blood but is a combination of the DNA of both and produces their own blood. That is the truth of science even if you do not want to accept it. Otherwise every clild would have the exact same blood type and RH factor as the father and that is not the case.
What I stated was not my opinion but scientific fact.
So you are under the impression that Mary's bloodline was also in Jesus being mixed with God's so that Jesus had a corrupted bloodline?
Here is another article I found the other day when searching for another source of the blood and posted it. Maybe you did not see this from M.R. DeHaan, M.D. from this site http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_MR_DeHaan/Chemistry/04.htm? (http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_MR_DeHaan/Chemistry/04.htm?)
He writes:
God has made of ONE BLOOD ALL THE NATIONS of the earth. Sinful heredity is transmitted through the blood and not through the flesh. Even though Jesus, therefore, received His flesh, His body from a sinful race, He could still be sinless as long as not a drop blood of this sinful race entered His veins. God must find a way whereby Jesus could be perfectly human according to the flesh and yet not have the blood of sinful humanity. That was the problem solved by the virgin birth.
ORIGIN OF THE BLOOD
It is now definitely known that the blood which flows in an unborn babies arteries and veins is not derived from the mother but is produced within the body of the foetus itself only after the introduction of the male sperm. An unfertilized ovum can never develop blood since the female egg does not by itself contain the elements essential for the production of this blood. It is only after the male element has entered the ovum that blood can develop. As a very simple illustration of this, think of the egg of a hen. An unfertilized egg is just an ovum on a much larger scale than the human ovum. You may incubate this unfertilized hens egg but it will never develop. It will decay and become rotten, but no chick will result. Let that egg be fertilized by the introduction of the male sperm and incubation will bring to light the presence of LIFE IN THAT EGG. After a few hours it visibly develops. In a little while red streaks occur in the egg denoting the presence of Blood. This can never occur and does never occur until THE MALE SPERM HAS BEEN UNITED WITH THE FEMALE OVUM. The male element has added life to the egg. Life is in the blood according to scripture, for Moses says:
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood." (Leviticus 17:11). "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof."
Leviticus 17:14
Since there is no life in the egg until the male sperm unites with it, and the life is in the blood, it follows that the male sperm is the source of the blood, the seed of life. Think it through.
NO MOTHERS BLOOD
For this very reason, it is unnecessary that a single drop of blood be given to the developing embryo in the womb of the mother. Such is the case according to science. The mother provides the foetus (the unborn developing infant) with the nutritive elements for the building of that little body in the secret of her bosom, but all the blood which forms in that little body is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the contribution of the male parent. From the time of conception to the time of birth of the infant not ONE SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD ever passes from mother to child. The placenta that mass of temporary tissue known better as "afterbirth," forming the union between mother and child is so constructed that although all the soluble nutritive elements such as proteins, fats, carbohydrates, salts, minerals and even antibodies pass freely from mother to child and the waste products of the child's metabolism are passed back to the mothers circulation, no actual interchange of a single drop of blood ever occurs normally. All the blood which is in that child is produced within the child itself as a result of the introduction of the male sperm. The mother contributes no blood at all.
TESTIMONY OF SCIENCE
Now for the sake of some of the skeptics who may doubt these statements let me quote from a few reliable authorities. In Howell's Textbook of Physiology, Second Edition, pages 885 and 886, I read:
"For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the foetus (the unborn child) bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The fetal and maternal blood DO NOT COME INTO ACTUAL CONTACT. THEY ARE SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER by the walls of the fetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villae."
Or let me quote from Williams' Practice of Obstetrics, Third Edition, page 133. Here I quote,
"The fetal blood in the vessels of the chorionic villae AT NO TIME GAINS ACCESS TO THE MATERNAL BLOOD in the intervillous space, BEING SEPARATED FROM ONE ANOTHER by the double layer of chorionic epithelium."
And from page 136 of the same recognized textbook I quote,
"Normally there is no communication between the fetal blood and the maternal blood."
Now for the benefit of those of you who may be nurses, let me quote from a textbook which is familiar to you. Quoting from "Nurse's Handbook of Obstetrics" by Louise Zabriskie, R.N., Fifth Edition, page 75:
"When the circulation of the blood begins in the embryo, it remains separate and distinct from that of the mother. All food and waste material which are interchanged between the embryo and the mother must pass through the blood vessel walls from one circulation to the other."
And from page 82 of the same book --
"The foetus receives its nourishment and oxygen from the mothers blood into its own through the medium of the placenta. The fetal heart pumps blood through the arteries of the umbilical cord into the placental vessels, which, looping in and out of the uterine tissue and lying in close contact with the uterine vessels, permit a diffusion, through their walls, of waste products from child to mother and of nourishment and oxygen from mother to child. As has been said, this interchange is effected by the process of osmosis, and there is no direct mingling of the two blood currents. In other words, no maternal blood actually flows to the foetus, nor is there any direct fetal blood flow to the mother."
GOD'S WONDERFUL PROVISION
How wonderfully God prepared for the virgin birth of His Son. When He created woman He made her so that no blood would be able to pass from her to her offspring. That blood is the result of the male. Since Adam was the federal head of the race, it is HIS BLOOD which transmits Adam's Sin. In order to produce a sinless man and yet be the son of Adam, God must provide a way whereby that man would have a human body derived from Adam but have not a drop of Adam's sinful blood. Right here is the scientific biological reason for the sinlessness of the Man Christ Jesus. Some have tried to answer the question, "How could He be sinless and yet born of a woman?" by making Mary the "Immaculate Virgin." That, however, does not answer the question of how JESUS was sinless since it is through the male that the bloodline runs.
Not only is this a scientific fact, but it is plainly taught in Scripture that Jesus partook of human flesh without Adam's blood. In Hebrews 2:14 we read,
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood. He also himself likewise took part of the same -- "
You will notice that the children, that is the human children, are said to be partakers of FLESH and BLOOD, and then speaking of Jesus it says that He "himself likewise took part of the same." The Word "took part" as applying to Christ is an entirely different word then "partakers" as applied to the children. In the margin of my Bible, I read the word translated "took part" implies "taking part in something outside one's self." The Greek word for partakers is "KOYNONEHO" and means "to share fully," so that all of Adam's children share fully in Adam's flesh and blood. When we read that Jesus "took part of the same" the word is "METECHO" which means to take "part" but not all. The Children take both flesh and blood of Adam but Christ took only part, that is the flesh part, while the blood was the result of supernatural conception.
Jesus was a perfect human being after the flesh. He was of the seed of David according to the flesh, but blood is that part of a man which is the divine addition. In the creation of man, Adam's body was made from the dust of the earth, but God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Since life is in the blood, this act resulted in the formation of blood in Adam's body, but the first Adam's blood was corrupted and sin transmitted through it to all mankind. In the last Adam and the second man, new and divine and sinless blood was produced in a body that was the seed of Adam and by this resulted in the production of —
DIVINE BLOOD
Conception by the Holy Ghost then was the only way the Virgin Birth could be accomplished. Mary contributed the body of Jesus and He became the "seed of David according to the flesh." The Holy Spirit contributed the Blood of Jesus. It was sinless blood. It was Divine blood. It is Precious Blood for there has never been any other like it. It is —
INNOCENT BLOOD
"I have betrayed the innocent blood" Judas confessed in Matthew 27:4. Our Lord was innocent. He became like unto us in all things — SIN only excepted. Like unto us with ONE EXCEPTION and that exception was that instead of a human father He was conceived by a DIVINE FATHER. As a result biologically, He had DIVINE BLOOD, SINLESS BLOOD. Because this blood is sinless it is —
INCORRUPTIBLE BLOOD
Sin made human blood corruptible. Soon after death, decay sets in, and it begins in the blood. That is why meat must be drained well of its blood. That is why embalmers place the embalming fluid in the blood. David said that Jesus' body should "see no corruption." Though He was dead three days and three nights, His body did not corrupt. Because He was sinless they could not put Him to death but instead He "laid down His life voluntarily that He might take it up again." He arose by His own power because death had no claim in HIM except the claim of others' sin, and when that was paid —
Are you saying that once one becomes a Christian they can no longer sin?
1. You are simply denying accepted science regardless of how many of your group tries to make it different.
2. Yes it is true the fetus does not have any of the mother's blood but it also does not have any of the fathers blood. The fetus blood is its own not the mother or the father but a combination of both DNA.
3. Of course the fetus can not make their own blood with out the introduction of the semen but neither can the fetus produce blood without the egg. That is what makes a fetus. This is stuff you lean in third grade science.
I clearly labeled my opinion on the conception of Jesus. IMO He would not be truly man and God if He only had the God part. I see nothing about that that would "contaminate His blood" It would simply make Him both man and God. Now in also could be that God placed a 100% God egg in Mary but like I said we don't know because God did not choose to satisfy our curiosity on this point.
: Johnb Sun Oct 28, 2012 - 18:56:15
Are you saying that once one becomes a Christian they can no longer sin?
The Bible! says that those who have the Seed in them and are led of the Spirit of adoption CAN NO LONGER Commit SIN.
I do not believe that all who say Lord Lord are really led by the Spirit for the Bible tells me that there are many imposters. I do not believe that every person receives the Spirit of adoption even though they have been saved, NO, For I know of may who claim to be Christians but are as WORDLY as can be and I know when someone is spiritually minded and those who are still carnal.
1 John 3:9-10
9 Whosoever is born of God
doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
KJV
Well of course we all sin or we would be like Jesus, but with the righteousness of Christ we are forgiven and cleansed. God sees us as sinless because of the blood of Jesus. ::clappingoverhead::
I have never met anyone who never sins, and I never will till I get to heaven. Even if I did meet a person who thought they were sinless, they would have the sin of pride which God hates. ::shrug::
: afaithfulone4u Sun Oct 28, 2012 - 19:16:04
: Johnb Sun Oct 28, 2012 - 18:56:15
Are you saying that once one becomes a Christian they can no longer sin?
The Bible! says that those who have the Seed in them and are led of the Spirit of adoption CAN NO LONGER Commit SIN.
I do not believe that all who say Lord Lord are really led by the Spirit for the Bible tells me that there are many imposters. I do not believe that every person receives the Spirit of adoption even though they have been saved, NO, For I know of may who claim to be Christians but are as WORDLY as can be and I know when someone is spiritually minded and those who are still carnal.
1 John 3:9-10
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
KJV
It is this false understanding of scripture that leads people astray.* Everyone sins--even you! The difference between a believer and an unbeliever is that the unbeliever now doesn't make it a common practice. The believer now has a new paradigm, and now knows by virtue of the indwelling Holy Spirit what sin is and now has the power given him to say no to sin where he had no such power before Christ.
1 John 3:8-10But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God. 10 So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God.
*I suggest you consult various versions of the bible to gain a full grasp of what it means.
As for your pitch about the blood---it is complete drivel and Johnb is correct in his understanding about it. You would do well to be teachable in this area you know nothing about.
This is one of the craziest threads I've ever read here!
[And I've read some really crazy stuff in the 10+ years I've been on this forum!]
: Nevertheless Mon Oct 29, 2012 - 19:14:50
This is one of the craziest threads I've ever read here!
[And I've read some really crazy stuff in the 10+ years I've been on this forum!]
Well never, we have had a few here before who claim that we never sin, but not the 'blood' bit as well. ::shrug::
I don't think we've had any flat earthers before. Maybe we'll get one of them next.
: Nevertheless Mon Oct 29, 2012 - 19:14:50
This is one of the craziest threads I've ever read here!
[And I've read some really crazy stuff in the 10+ years I've been on this forum!]
I don't think we've had any flat earthers before. Maybe we'll get one of them next.
::headscratch::
Although I don't recall any members here from Kansas or, closer to my home Saskatchewan, it is not nice to imply them crazy just cause they haven't a hill IMO. ::frown::
Just sayin....
::smile::