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: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: cwb01 Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit.  Had he meant "those who are alive" ,  he would have said "those who are alive"
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: LexKnight Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:47:57
Paul's dead... Beheaded by a Roman official. He was speaking simply of those who would be alive in those days. Are you saying He was led by the Lord to those days to witness it? If not, who's the we then?
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: TruthBeTold Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:57:17
He was speaking to the church/ gods people at the time
We as in gods children who are still alive
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: 4WD Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32
: cwb01  Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit.  Had he meant "those who are alive" ,  he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming.  Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died.  Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance.  Most of us don't really do that very well.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: chosenone Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:39:42
: 4WD  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32
: cwb01  Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit.  Had he meant "those who are alive" ,  he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming.  Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died.  Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance.  Most of us don't really do that very well.

I have heard that said before, but I wondered about it because if we all lived that way, then surely we would never plan ahead at all. So no holidays, no applying for a job, no studying, no moving house etc etc. I suppose we need to live with that awareness of the fact that Jesus will return, but also understanding that He may not come for a long time yet.   
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: 4WD Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:58:10
: chosenone  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:39:42
: 4WD  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32
: cwb01  Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit.  Had he meant "those who are alive" ,  he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming.  Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died.  Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance.  Most of us don't really do that very well.

I have heard that said before, but I wondered about it because if we all lived that way, then surely we would never plan ahead at all. So no holidays, no applying for a job, no studying, no moving house etc etc. I suppose we need to live with that awareness of the fact that Jesus will return, but also understanding that He may not come for a long time yet.

Read Paul's letters to the Thessalonians.  What you are describing is what he was writing about.  He says expect Jesus at any time, but in the meantime, if you don't work you don't eat.  So get busy.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: chosenone Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 07:06:34
: 4WD  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:58:10
: chosenone  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:39:42
: 4WD  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32
: cwb01  Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit.  Had he meant "those who are alive" ,  he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming.  Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died.  Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance.  Most of us don't really do that very well.

I have heard that said before, but I wondered about it because if we all lived that way, then surely we would never plan ahead at all. So no holidays, no applying for a job, no studying, no moving house etc etc. I suppose we need to live with that awareness of the fact that Jesus will return, but also understanding that He may not come for a long time yet.

Read Paul's letters to the Thessalonians.  What you are describing is what he was writing about.  He says expect Jesus at any time, but in the meantime, if you don't work you don't eat.  So get busy.

Yes, except I am semi retired. lol
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: 4WD Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 07:15:51
: chosenone  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 07:06:34
: 4WD  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:58:10
: chosenone  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:39:42
: 4WD  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32
: cwb01  Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit.  Had he meant "those who are alive" ,  he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming.  Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died.  Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance.  Most of us don't really do that very well.

I have heard that said before, but I wondered about it because if we all lived that way, then surely we would never plan ahead at all. So no holidays, no applying for a job, no studying, no moving house etc etc. I suppose we need to live with that awareness of the fact that Jesus will return, but also understanding that He may not come for a long time yet.

Read Paul's letters to the Thessalonians.  What you are describing is what he was writing about.  He says expect Jesus at any time, but in the meantime, if you don't work you don't eat.  So get busy.

Yes, except I am semi retired. lol

Yeah, I know what you mean.  I am fully retired.  Sometimes I feel a little guilty, but only a little bit.
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: 3 Resurrections Fri Nov 11, 2016 - 11:55:30
Resurrecting a dead post again here ......

No, Paul was not alive at the coming of the Lord.  He didn't want to be.  He desired to be dead before then, so that he could participate in the resurrection.  For proof of this, read his words in Philippians 3:9-11.  These verses are preceded by Paul giving a list of his credentials in Phil 3:4-6 (a "Hebrew of the Hebrews", "circumcised the eighth day", etc.).  He then says that he was willing to chuck all of these qualifications in his resume - that they meant nothing compared to being wrapped in Christ's righteousness.  This alone would be what would entitle him to participate in the "power of His resurrection" (Phil. 3:10).

Here are Paul's words in the Phil. 3:9-11 Interlinear version that show Paul wished for his own death to occur before Christ's coming.  "...and be found in him, not having my righteousness which [is] of law, but that which by faith of Christ [is], the of God righteousness on faith, to know him and the power of resurrection his, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being conformed to his death, If BY ANY MEANS I MAY ARRIVE AT THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD."  If at all possible, Paul wanted to be dead so that he could "arrive at" the time when the resurrection of the dead saints occurred at Christ's coming. 

Did Paul have an idea of the time when his own death and the resurrection would both occur?  Yes, he did.  Remember, God had told Ananias in Acts 9:16 that He would show Paul "what great things he must suffer for my name's sake".  That list of "great things" God showed him would include Paul's martyrdom also. Check out Paul's words in II Timothy 4:1-2a, 6-8 (Interlinear) as Paul sent Timothy his last words from a Roman prison prior to his martyrdom under Nero.  "Earnestly testify therefore I before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, WHO IS ABOUT TO JUDGE LIVING AND DEAD according to His appearing and kingdom his, proclaim the word; be urgent in season, out of season, convict, rebuke, encourage...."  This proves that the resurrection and the appearing of the Lord Jesus was imminent as he wrote those words to Timothy.  He was stressing to Timothy the need for evangelistic urgency because of the soon-coming appearance of Christ.

Then Paul mentions his own fast-approaching death in II Tim. 4:6-9 (Interlinear).  "For I already am being poured out, and the time (kairos - season) of my release is come.  The combat good I have combated, the course I have finished, the faith I have kept.  Henceforth is laid up for me the of righteousness crown, which will render to me the Lord in that day the righteous judge; (the day mentioned in II Tim. 4:1 in which the dead were about to be judged) and not only to me, but also to all who love his appearing.  Be diligent to come to me quickly..."  The urgency of Paul's words, wishing Timothy "to come before winter" (II Tim. 4:21) and to bring with him the books, the parchments, and the cloak that Paul had left at Troas (II Tim 4:13), shows that this letter to Timothy had to have been written just before winter in AD 66. Paul was martyred in June of AD 67.  The resurrection and Christ's appearing happened at Pentecost in AD 70. 

Paul may not have known the exact day or the hour of the Lord's appearing beforehand, but he had been told all the signs to look for.  We have his record of these signs passed on to the church in II Thessalonians 2,  where Paul reminded them of what he had already discussed with them in person.  I Thessalonians 5:1 says that the Thessalonians were well aware of "the times and the seasons" of the Day of the Lord, so that it would not overtake them unexpectedly.  This was an event that the first-century generation looked for, and would experience in their days.

When Paul spoke in I Thess. 4:15 and 17 of "WE who are alive and remain", he was NOT saying that he expected to be alive at Christ's coming.  He was merely speaking as a representative of the church.  "Those of our number who are alive and remain" is his intended meaning.  It would be the same as a male pastor standing up in front of the church and announcing "WE will have a ladies meeting this coming Wednesday".  Is that male pastor including himself as one of the women, and will he be attending the ladies meeting that Wednesday?  Hardly.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: Tertullian Fri Nov 11, 2016 - 13:00:06
: cwb01  Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit.  Had he meant "those who are alive" ,  he would have said "those who are alive"

In I Thessalonians 4:15, Paul shows his expectation that he'd be alive to see the coming of the Lord.

Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.  "Coming" is biblical language for judgement.  The judgement Jesus spoke of was the destruction of Jerusalem for the Jews rejecting Christ.  This judgement, a 7-year tribulation, started in 66 AD, Paul died in 67 AD.   
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: dpr Wed Feb 08, 2017 - 09:40:25
: 4WD  Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32


Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming.  Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died.  Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance.  Most of us don't really do that very well.

Yeah, but the fact still is, our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming did NOT happen back in Apostle Paul's day. That idea is simply a fabrication from men and not written in God's Word.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sat Dec 21, 2019 - 07:46:19
  No, the Lord hasn't yet come back, & Paul is no longer alive. Bottom line.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 14:05:24
The Lord came back and Paul was included in the first resurrection.  He may have very well taken John's place to judge the 12 tribes in AD70.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: dpr Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 15:17:33
This is really CRAZY thread topic!
It has absolutely NO Biblical basis at all. One might as well go ahead and admit their love of a one world government under men with pushing such baloney.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 18:05:10
: dpr  Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 15:17:33
This is really CRAZY thread topic!
It has absolutely NO Biblical basis at all. One might as well go ahead and admit their love of a one world government under men with pushing such baloney.
Propaganda goes a long way. Like the O.P.  ::destroyingcomputer::
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sat May 02, 2020 - 13:39:58
: lea  Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 14:05:24
The Lord came back and Paul was included in the first resurrection.  He may have very well taken John's place to judge the 12 tribes in AD70.

HORSE FEATHERS ! Please show us from the "Jerusalem Daily Planet" where/when Jesus physically, visibly returned !
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: Rella Sat May 02, 2020 - 14:26:24
: robycop3  Sat May 02, 2020 - 13:39:58
HORSE FEATHERS ! Please show us from the "Jerusalem Daily Planet" where/when Jesus physically, visibly returned !

::eatingpopcorn: ::eatingpopcorn: ::eatingpopcorn:
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: 3 Resurrections Sat May 02, 2020 - 15:52:19
WHEN: AD 70 on that year's Pentecost day, by the date pointed to in Daniel 12:11-13. 

The resurrection at Christ's second coming that Daniel would participate in was 1,335 days after 2 events had taken place within the same season.  These two events were namely, #1, the season of the late summer in AD 66 when Eleazar caused the daily sacrifice to cease for Rome and the Roman emperor.  Also #2, when the abominable armies (the AOD as interpreted by Luke 21:20) surrounded Jerusalem under Cestius Gallus' Roman troops, and squared off against the Zealot armies in Jerusalem during the beginning of October of AD 66.  At the end of 1,335 days following those two prior events, the Pentecost-day resurrection occurred with the return of Christ.

WHERE:  The Mount of Olives, east of the city of Jerusalem's Temple. 

This was prophesied by Zechariah 14:4-5, and was prefigured in Ezekiel 46:1-3 by the people worshipping at the Temple's eastern gate in the Sabbaths and the new moons.  This eastern gate location was the one reserved exclusively for the Prince to use when he entered and left the Temple, and it was shut the rest of the time.  This gave a picture of "Messiah the Prince" at His second coming, which would occur while that temple and its eastern gate was still standing (in other words, before the Zealots' war with Rome and each other resulted in that temple being torn down to the last stone in the late summer of AD 70).
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: Rella Sat May 02, 2020 - 16:02:11
Since those of you who believe that all that I have been waiting for or expect to happen at some point  from this specific moment in time happened in or by 70AD...
What are we supposed to look forward to or what will happen now?

I was told by Jesus in Mathew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

I have been. So I was wasting my time?

Someone tell me what to do or expect now.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sat May 02, 2020 - 18:01:57
: Rella  Sat May 02, 2020 - 16:02:11
Since those of you who believe that all that I have been waiting for or expect to happen at some point  from this specific moment in time happened in or by 70AD...
What are we supposed to look forward to or what will happen now?

I was told by Jesus in Mathew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

I have been. So I was wasting my time?

Someone tell me what to do or expect now.

I'm sorry Rella that you seriously believed that for so long. It makes one sound like they are in mourning if Preterism be true.  What exactly were you hoping for when Jesus would return as the "Lion of Judah?" The 1st century Christians were believing for Christ to return in their generation.

See, it was their hope that was to be fulfilled - so that salvation could be complete. As in Hebrews where it says "he would appear a second time. Not for sin but for salvation." He appeared to put down apostate Israel, but for the saints it was so they would "inherit the Kingdom."

Anyway, you don't lose any of God's promises for us in this life. Abundant life - you know- "seek first the kingdom of God and all His righteousness and all these things will be added to you." (Matt.6:33)
Eternal life is a tenet of Christianity. St. Paul said if we only have hope in this life - then we are to be pitied. But we don't. That's a real something to hope for!

What I noticed a while back is the wording in Rev.1. 1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants[a] the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. emph.mine.

Only the Father knew but the Father is then giving it to Jesus and saying "the things that must shortly take place"- the time is near.

Have a blessed day! ::smile::
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: Rella Sat May 02, 2020 - 19:55:29
: lea  Sat May 02, 2020 - 18:01:57
I'm sorry Rella that you seriously believed that for so long. It makes one sound like they are in mourning if Preterism be true.  What exactly were you hoping for when Jesus would return as the "Lion of Judah?" The 1st century Christians were believing for Christ to return in their generation.

See, it was their hope that was to be fulfilled - so that salvation could be complete. As in Hebrews where it says "he would appear a second time. Not for sin but for salvation." He appeared to put down apostate Israel, but for the saints it was so they would "inherit the Kingdom."

Anyway, you don't lose any of God's promises for us in this life. Abundant life - you know- "seek first the kingdom of God and all His righteousness and all these things will be added to you." (Matt.6:33)
Eternal life is a tenet of Christianity. St. Paul said if we only have hope in this life - then we are to be pitied. But we don't. That's a real something to hope for!

What I noticed a while back is the wording in Rev.1. 1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants[a] the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. emph.mine.

Only the Father knew but the Father is then giving it to Jesus and saying "the things that must shortly take place"- the time is near.

Have a blessed day! ::smile::

No lea,

Do not be sorry for me because I continue to believe what God has revealed to me in His word.

And that is nowhere in line with your understanding.

You seem to emphasize the word soon in most of your posts.

What you seem to not relate to is that soon to Eternal God who has no beginning and has no end is not necessarily the same as  mortal man.To God all of time
is nothing more then a blink of an eye.

I read nothing of Jesus having returned in 70 AD.

Yes, the destruction is well documented and explained in Daniel. But the fulfillment
of things mentioned in Revelation has nothing to do with what historically took place as prophesied in Daniel.

It is commonly agreed John wrote Revelation sometime around 96AD. Long after the destruction of Jerusalem. And Revelation was a prophesy of things to come.

There is much I could say on this,but I will not change your beliefs. And mine are not going to change.

A little light reading for you.

This is a great article explaining Daniel's 70 weeks.  Enjoy

https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-are-the-seventy-weeks-of-daniel-daniel-9/

And this is more in line with my beliefs.

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/end-times/what-are-the-70-weeks-of-daniel-what-does-this-end-times-prophecy-mean.html







: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sat May 02, 2020 - 22:24:59
Suit yourself Rella. I hang out with Preterist friends anyway.

Thanks, but no thanks to your futurist articles. I won't be become brainwashed as some are . And I don't believe God tells anyone (even in the Spirit) that Jesus is coming to them again in the future anywhere else but in heaven.

I think it is their imagination because they have been brainwashed with misplaced hope!

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: robycop3 Sun May 03, 2020 - 16:28:35
  No, YOU seemtabee brainwashed with pret garbage. Not one legitimate history book on earth, nor the physical & archaeological evidence shows that any of the eschatological events have yet occurred.

  Your preterism is based upon conjecture, imagination, & guesswork. It's NOT supported by FACT. If it was, you could tell us who the beast from the sea was, who the false prophet was, what the mark of the beast looked like, when worldwide the great trib occurred, & when JESUS returned, seen by ALL, as He said He would, immediately after the trib. You could tell us when the heavens departed like a scroll rolled up, when all life in the sea dies, etc, etc.

  But you can't tell us when any of this happened, for the simple reason it HASN'T HAPPENED YET !  That's an inescapable FACT ! If YOU want to go on believing the trash of those book peddlers who are just out for the $$, go on ! As for me & my house, I SHALL SERVE THE LORD & believe Scripture & history, which is shaped by Scripture.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Tue May 05, 2020 - 15:32:17
: robycop3  Sun May 03, 2020 - 16:28:35
  No, YOU seemtabee brainwashed with pret garbage. Not one legitimate history book on earth, nor the physical & archaeological evidence shows that any of the eschatological events have yet occurred.

  Your preterism is based upon conjecture, imagination, & guesswork. It's NOT supported by FACT. If it was, you could tell us who the beast from the sea was, who the false prophet was, what the mark of the beast looked like, when worldwide the great trib occurred, & when JESUS returned, seen by ALL, as He said He would, immediately after the trib. You could tell us when the heavens departed like a scroll rolled up, when all life in the sea dies, etc, etc.

  But you can't tell us when any of this happened, for the simple reason it HASN'T HAPPENED YET !  That's an inescapable FACT ! If YOU want to go on believing the trash of those book peddlers who are just out for the $$, go on ! As for me & my house, I SHALL SERVE THE LORD & believe Scripture & history, which is shaped by Scripture.

Prophecy is not just based on secular fact. One has to have insight and be gifted at knowing Biblical prophecy. Something I have additional talent at and you do not! (for a real, be here now with God's grace fact!)
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: robycop3 Sat May 09, 2020 - 09:27:53
: lea  Tue May 05, 2020 - 15:32:17
Prophecy is not just based on secular fact. One has to have insight and be gifted at knowing Biblical prophecy. Something I have additional talent at and you do not! (for a real, be here now with God's grace fact!)

  HORSE FEATHERS !

  You're no more a prophetess than I  am a cosmonaut.

  God's Biblical prophecies have secular fulfillments, as seen thruout history.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sat May 09, 2020 - 17:29:21
: robycop3  Sat May 09, 2020 - 09:27:53
  HORSE FEATHERS !

  You're no more a prophetess than I  am a cosmonaut.

  God's Biblical prophecies have secular fulfillments, as seen thruout history.

You know nothing about prophecy in the Bible.  The O.T. antitypes are fulfilled in the N.T.

Of such, you have no clue what I mean.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sun May 10, 2020 - 08:44:03
: lea  Sat May 09, 2020 - 17:29:21
You know nothing about prophecy in the Bible.  The O.T. antitypes are fulfilled in the N.T.

Of such, you have no clue what I mean.

Evidently, I know a lot more about it than you do, as well as knowing more about history & reality. You act as if you've been on quarantine long before covid 19 came along.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Mon May 11, 2020 - 14:56:58
: robycop3  Sun May 10, 2020 - 08:44:03
Evidently, I know a lot more about it than you do, as well as knowing more about history & reality. You act as if you've been on quarantine long before covid 19 came along.

No, it's you that has been quarantined at home for a long time just regurgitating the dispensationist, Zionist view online.

Time to do something positive maybe for someone else instead of just blurting your own pessimism?

What good news is EVER in your posts?
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Tue May 12, 2020 - 05:09:27
  'Tis not MY pessimism - it's from God's word. Try reading & believing it !
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sat May 16, 2020 - 17:27:35
: robycop3  Tue May 12, 2020 - 05:09:27
  'Tis not MY pessimism - it's from God's word. Try reading & believing it !

Anyone can believe anything.

Try posting some "good news" with Biblical support for a change.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sun May 17, 2020 - 12:41:53
  The "good news" comes after Jesus' return, with the millenium. At its end, a little more bad news, then, the best news of all for Christians !
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Mon May 18, 2020 - 12:16:24
: robycop3  Sun May 17, 2020 - 12:41:53
  The "good news" comes after Jesus' return, with the millenium. At its end, a little more bad news, then, the best news of all for Christians !
What a sorry outlook! Pathetic.

Christians believe the good news of Salvation and grace happened for us a long time ago.

Hard to believe you put your foot in your mouth with that statement.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Mon May 18, 2020 - 16:21:04
: lea  Mon May 18, 2020 - 12:16:24
What a sorry outlook! Pathetic.

Christians believe the good news of Salvation and grace happened for us a long time ago.

Hard to believe you put your foot in your mouth with that statement.

Nupe ! try reading Scripture for what it actually says, not what those pret quax tell you it says.
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: lea Mon May 18, 2020 - 18:39:41
: robycop3  Sun May 17, 2020 - 12:41:53
  The "good news" comes after Jesus' return, with the millenium. At its end, a little more bad news, then, the best news of all for Christians !
That's super-pathetic.

The Good news is now. You really don't know anything about Soteriology either. 

: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Thu May 21, 2020 - 05:01:26
: lea  Mon May 18, 2020 - 18:39:41
That's super-pathetic.

The Good news is now. You really don't know anything about Soteriology either.

  Yes, the GOSPEL is our "Good News". But its complete fulfillment won't come til after a time of great trouble on earth, and a millenium during which mortals shall live free of Satan.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: DaveW Thu May 21, 2020 - 06:02:03
: cwb01  Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit.  Had he meant "those who are alive" ,  he would have said "those who are alive"
You are (ignorantly or purposefully) ignoring the fact the apostle was identifying himself with the believing community. 

It is the same with the Passover story.  it is not when THEY came out of Egypt; rather it is when WE came out of Egypt.  Part of the community regardless of what century it is or who was actually alive at the time.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: Rella Thu May 21, 2020 - 07:59:34
: DaveW  Thu May 21, 2020 - 06:02:03
You are (ignorantly or purposefully) ignoring the fact the apostle was identifying himself with the believing community. 

It is the same with the Passover story.  it is not when THEY came out of Egypt; rather it is when WE came out of Egypt.  Part of the community regardless of what century it is or who was actually alive at the time.

Yes, a perfectly understood acceptance of identifying with a given group.

A modern day example would be if you were talking to someone about a specific sports game and they asked you "Who won"?, and you would reply WE won.... meaning the team you supported. No one would think you had actually played in the game.

or if you are talking with folks from another church about missionaries you might say "We will be having a group to go to wherever on mission work in whatever time span, even though you may not be alive when that happens. You are part of the church who will have that experience, therefore it is appropriate.





: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Thu May 21, 2020 - 13:33:49
: robycop3  Thu May 21, 2020 - 05:01:26
  Yes, the GOSPEL is our "Good News". But its complete fulfillment won't come til after a time of great trouble on earth, and a millenium during which mortals shall live free of Satan.

Notice how you can't take knowing that our "Good News" now is complete?

Notice the bad news garbage you add to it? 

You shouldn't worship Revelation so much and you might find fulfilled grace in the Gospel today.

Who cares about your bad news predictions?  You can claim that all for yourself.

: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: Rella Thu May 21, 2020 - 18:56:34
: lea  Thu May 21, 2020 - 13:33:49
Notice how you can't take knowing that our "Good News" now is complete?

Notice the bad news garbage you add to it? 

You shouldn't worship Revelation so much and you might find fulfilled grace in the Gospel today.

Who cares about your bad news predictions?  You can claim that all for yourself.

Not everyone can claim a charmed, perfect life for themselves without trials like you do.

If it all was completed in 70AD, then it was a failure for the rest of humanity.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Fri May 22, 2020 - 20:41:26
: Rella  Thu May 21, 2020 - 18:56:34
Not everyone can claim a charmed, perfect life for themselves without trials like you do.

If it all was completed in 70AD, then it was a failure for the rest of humanity.

What an ignorant assessment of someone you don't even know!

What, Watson, was a complete failure for the rest of humanity? 

And the post wasn't an answer to you but you were aggressive anyway just trying to upstage me!

No worries here. Get right behind me  ::crackup::

: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sat May 23, 2020 - 14:40:39
: lea  Thu May 21, 2020 - 13:33:49
Notice how you can't take knowing that our "Good News" now is complete?

Oh, REALLY? People are being saved every day.

Notice the bad news garbage you add to it?

  Your 'garbage' was added by GOD to His word. 

You shouldn't worship Revelation so much and you might find fulfilled grace in the Gospel today.

I don't worship it. I BELIEVE it as part of God's word, without adding to it or subtracting from it.

Who cares about your bad news predictions?  You can claim that all for yourself.

YOU (and everyone else) should, as it's part of GOD'S word, not mine.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sun May 24, 2020 - 16:01:25
: robycop3  Sat May 23, 2020 - 14:40:39
Your 'garbage' was added by GOD to His word. 

What? You insulting God now?
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Mon May 25, 2020 - 09:53:21
: lea  Sun May 24, 2020 - 16:01:25
What? You insulting God now?

No, YOU are, by not believing His word.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Mon May 25, 2020 - 12:21:14
: robycop3  Mon May 25, 2020 - 09:53:21
No, YOU are, by not believing His word.

robycop3 continues with his bad news..

I'm binding you on earth!
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Mon May 25, 2020 - 13:46:31
: lea  Mon May 25, 2020 - 12:21:14
robycop3 continues with his bad news..

I'm binding you on earth!

  If you're as all-around silly as your "religion" is, you'd be lucky to bind your own shoes if they had velcro fasteners.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: Rella Mon May 25, 2020 - 14:07:29
: lea  Fri May 22, 2020 - 20:41:26
What an ignorant assessment of someone you don't even know!

The more you say things that are totally unprovable, the more you ARE known.

What, Watson, was a complete failure for the rest of humanity? 

Not a failure. But one that has twisted things to suit his beliefs. Not at all unlike Joseph Smith or Ellen White or David Koresh or even Marshall Applewhite.
All of whom had a validity in their presentations but fought the way the inspired holy words were written.

And the post wasn't an answer to you but you were aggressive anyway just trying to upstage me!

If the truth is on your side, you will not be upstaged. Prove scripture with scripture.
And historical evidence.... actual evidence and you will get a convert or two.

No worries here. Get right behind me  ::crackup::

Revelation 22:18 - For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 - And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

You have added and you have taken away... or I should say those who taught you have and you bought it hook , line and sinker.

By your leave.  ::tippinghat::

: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sat May 30, 2020 - 13:56:14
: Rella  Mon May 25, 2020 - 14:07:29

Couldn't be as foolish as futurists in Eschatology make of Christians.
I'm ashamed how stupid they make us look!

: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sat May 30, 2020 - 17:36:52
: lea  Sat May 30, 2020 - 13:56:14
Couldn't be as foolish as futurists in Eschatology make of Christians.
I'm ashamed how stupid they make us look!

  You make yourself look stupid by posting stupid stuff. (I don't believe you're stupid, just deceived, & in thrall to some quacks & their false doctrine. All they wanna do is sell boox & make $$$.)
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sat May 30, 2020 - 20:14:57
: robycop3  Sat May 30, 2020 - 17:36:52
  You make yourself look stupid by posting stupid stuff. (I don't believe you're stupid, just deceived, & in thrall to some quacks & their false doctrine. All they wanna do is sell boox & make $$$.)

I think you are both stupid and deceived.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: Rella Sat May 30, 2020 - 20:24:40
: lea  Sat May 30, 2020 - 13:56:14
Couldn't be as foolish as futurists in Eschatology make of Christians.
I'm ashamed how stupid they make us look!

We agree on something finally. You guys do look pretty stupid.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sat May 30, 2020 - 20:25:53
: Rella  Sat May 30, 2020 - 20:24:40
We agree on something finally. You guy do look pretty stupid.

"You guy?"

Now who's stupid?
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sun May 31, 2020 - 05:36:47
: lea  Sat May 30, 2020 - 20:14:57
I think you are both stupid and deceived.

You'd best leave the thinking to someone who has that ability. Apparently, you let Preston, Gentry, & other quacks do your thinking for you.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sun May 31, 2020 - 13:05:04
: robycop3  Sun May 31, 2020 - 05:36:47
You'd best leave the thinking to someone who has that ability. Apparently, you let Preston, Gentry, & other quacks do your thinking for you.

And you should let anyone else do your thinking for you because you are full of negative predictions. ::crackup::
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sun May 31, 2020 - 13:55:16
: lea  Sun May 31, 2020 - 13:05:04
And you should let anyone else do your thinking for you because you are full of negative predictions. ::crackup::

  No, I'm not; the BIBLE is. I only state what's in Scripture, as well as history & reality that's shaped by Scripture.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sun May 31, 2020 - 14:36:29
: robycop3  Sun May 31, 2020 - 13:55:16
  No, I'm not; the BIBLE is. I only state what's in Scripture, as well as history & reality that's shaped by Scripture.

No it's about Scripture itself doesn't get compared to history even. It's in the mind of the wisdom of those blessed with the gift of prophecy interpretation by comparing Scripture to itself.

You are just a dropout from any studies of your own.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sun May 31, 2020 - 15:08:57
: lea  Sun May 31, 2020 - 14:36:29
No it's about Scripture itself doesn't get compared to history even. It's in the mind of the wisdom of those blessed with the gift of prophecy interpretation by comparing Scripture to itself.

You are just a dropout from any studies of your own.

YOU have no more a gift of prophecy than I do to turn lead into gold.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sun May 31, 2020 - 15:19:12
: robycop3  Sun May 31, 2020 - 15:08:57
YOU have no more a gift of prophecy than I do to turn lead into gold.

Sorry, I can't help it if you are jealous of women leaders!

: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sun May 31, 2020 - 17:04:41
: lea  Sun May 31, 2020 - 15:19:12
Sorry, I can't help it if you are jealous of women leaders!

Nothing to do with your lack of prophecy or understanding God's prophecies in His word.

(Two actual lady prophets were Deborah & Anna. You're just a wannabee.)
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Sun May 31, 2020 - 19:38:13
: robycop3  Sun May 31, 2020 - 17:04:41
Nothing to do with your lack of prophecy or understanding God's prophecies in His word.

(Two actual lady prophets were Deborah & Anna. You're just a wannabee.)

What does that make you? You went through all that text just to get their names because you can't accept that Preterism beats your stupid Future failure-ism.

Don't project your loser mentality on other people! Get help!
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Mon Jun 01, 2020 - 04:58:06
: lea  Sun May 31, 2020 - 19:38:13
What does that make you? You went through all that text just to get their names because you can't accept that Preterism beats your stupid Future failure-ism.

Don't project your loser mentality on other people! Get help!

Preterism beats most other false doctrines in terms of lies & foolishness.
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Mon Jun 01, 2020 - 20:33:03
: robycop3  Mon Jun 01, 2020 - 04:58:06
Preterism beats most other false doctrines in terms of lies & foolishness.

Why don't you start a thread in the end times forum where you belong and try to prove your futuristic prophetic views?

: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Tue Jun 02, 2020 - 04:38:37
: lea  Mon Jun 01, 2020 - 20:33:03
Why don't you start a thread in the end times forum where you belong and try to prove your futuristic prophetic views?

  Why don't you provide proof that preterism is not just a collection of tall tales & windies ?
: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: Rella Tue Jun 02, 2020 - 19:42:01
: robycop3  Sun May 03, 2020 - 16:28:35
  No, YOU seemtabee brainwashed with pret garbage. Not one legitimate history book on earth, nor the physical & archaeological evidence shows that any of the eschatological events have yet occurred.



She is afraid to read what is posted. She is afraid she will become brainwashed.

Cult brainwashing 101 at its best.

Just like Catholics when I was a girl were not allowed to go to my church.

: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: lea Wed Jun 03, 2020 - 10:57:29
: Rella  Tue Jun 02, 2020 - 19:42:01
She is afraid to read what is posted. She is afraid she will become brainwashed.

Cult brainwashing 101 at its best.

Just like Catholics when I was a girl were not allowed to go to my church.

Don't you know that God is listening to your hatred of other Christians?

: Re: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord.
: robycop3 Sat Jun 06, 2020 - 06:56:29
: lea  Wed Jun 03, 2020 - 10:57:29
Don't you know that God is listening to your hatred of other Christians?

He hears your pack if LIES.