Here is message from Jan Boshoff (FinalCall07). I copy n pasted.
The world is full of self-sufficient Christians. They have everything sorted out. They have their church, they have their Bible, they know the right scriptures, they can prove their salvation, they have their occupation. They have their plans. They are in total control. They have their life planned and they do things as they see fit. The only problem is that they do not have Jesus Christ. If we are truly Christians, disciples, followers of Jesus Christ then we realize how absolutely, totally dependent we are on Him. Without Him we can do nothing. He guides us, He teaches us. We have no plans because we walk in His plan and we do what He tells us to do. We take the job that He gives us to do and we live our lives to please Him. We do not quote scripture to defend or justify our belief, we have a TESTIMONY because we WALK WITH Jesus. He provides in our needs and He guides us every step of the way. The self-sufficient Christian is no Christian at all. He does not know Jesus, he doesn't need Jesus because he himself thinks that he is God. Are we disciples of Jesus Christ? Is He our LIFE? Is He our everything? Or have we got it all sorted out and planned out? If Jesus is not EVERYTHING, day to day, moment by moment, in our lives, then He is not our Lord and Master and we do not belong to Him. Are you a self-sufficient Christian or are you totally, utterly dependent on Jesus Christ for every moment of your life? May Jesus bless you.
This one by One of Jesus' disciples Robert Lyte
Sunday, August 5, 2012
JESUS' COMMANDMENTS THAT MUST BE OBEYED TO BE SAVED
He who keeps the Lord's commandments and follows them is a wise person and who does not keep the Lord's commandments and who does not follow them is a foolish person and they will ship-wreck their faith and the destruction of their house shall be great. I read in Matthew chapter 7:24: anybody who listens to my teachings and follows them is like a wise person who builds his house on the solid rock. Though the rains come in torrents and the floodwaters rise in the winds beat against that house it won't collapse because because it is built upon the rock. Anyone who hears my teachings and does not obey them is like a foolish person who builds their house on the sand when the rains come in the flood comes in the winds beat against that house, it will collapse with the mighty crash. It is the words of Jesus that we must obey. The words of Jesus, and today I'm going to be telling you all the commandments of our Lord as written.
Jesus says in Matthew chapter 5 verse 16; let your good deeds shine for all to see so that everybody will praise your heavenly father. I warn you unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of the law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of God. But I say if you are angry with somebody you are subject to judgment. If you call somebody a fool, you are in danger of being brought before the court. If you curse somebody you are in danger of hellfire. If you have something against somebody, you must go and reconcile with that person. Then come and offer to God. Do not resist an evil person, if somebody slaps you on one cheek offer him the other cheek also. If you are sued by somebody for your coat, give him your jacket as well. Give to those who ask don't turn away from those you want to borrow. I say love your enemies and do good to those who persecute you. If you only love those who love you how are you better than anybody else? For even the pagans do as much. You are to be perfect even as your heavenly father is perfect. When you give to somebody in need, don't do as the hypocrites do and trumpet your good deeds. When you give to somebody in need, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.
Give your gifts in private. When you pray, pray to your father behind closed doors and praise your father in private and tell your father who sees everything. He will reward you when you pray. Don't babble on like a religious who think they will receive answers from their prayers by repeating their words again and again, the heavenly father knows what you need even before you ask him. If you forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly father will forgive you. But if you refuse to forgive those who sin against you, your heavenly father will not forgive your sins. When you fast, comb your hair and wash your face then nobody would notice you are fasting except your father in heaven. He sees everything you do and he will reward you. Don't store up your treasure on this earth, store up your treasure in heaven. Where your treasure is there your heart desires will be also. Nobody can serve two masters. You will hate one and love the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
I tell you do not worry about your daily life whether you have enough food and drink and clothing, for life is more than these things. Look at the birds they don't have barns nor do they store their food, yet your heavenly father feeds them. And can all your worries add a single moment your life? God cares about you, so why do you have so little faith? Seek you first the kingdom of God above all else, live righteously, and he will give you everything according to what you need. Don't worry about tomorrow for today has enough troubles of its own. Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. For the standard you judge others, will be the standard by which you will be judged. Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy.
Don't throw your pearls to pigs or they'll all come and trample you. Keep asking and you will receive what you ask. Keep seeking and you'll find. Keep knocking and the door will be opened to you. Everybody who asks receives, everybody who seeks finds, everybody who knocks the door will be opened. Do to others as you would have them do to you. This is the essence of what is taught in the law of the prophets.
You cannot enter God's kingdom except you go through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad and many choose that way, but the gateway to life is very narrow and it is difficult and only a few people find it. A good tree produces good fruit and a bad tree produces bad fruit. You can identify a tree by its fruit so you can identify people by their actions. Don't be afraid of those who threaten you, for the time is coming when everything that is hidden shall be revealed.
Don't be afraid of those who want to kill the body, for they cannot touch your soul. Fear God who can destroy both your body and your soul in hell. Don't be afraid you are more valuable to God than a whole flock of sparrows. Everybody who acknowledges me publicly on this earth I will acknowledge them before my father in heaven. Everybody who denies me here on earth, I will deny them before my father in heaven. Don't think I came to bring peace to the earth, I came to bring a sword of division. I have come to set a man against his father, daughter against mother, daughter-in-law against mother-in-law, your enemies will be of your own household. If you love your father and mother more than you love me, you are not worthy of being mine.
If you refuse to take up your cross and follow me, you are not worthy of being mine. If you cling to your life you will lose it, but if you give up your life for my sake you will find it. If you receive a prophet as one who speaks for God you will be given the same reward as a prophet. If you receive righteous people because they're righteous, you will be given a reward like them. And if you give a cup of water to one of the least of my followers, you will surely be rewarded. Come to me all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens. I will give you rest and put my yoke upon you. Let me teach you because I'm humble and gentle of heart and you will find rest for your souls for my yoke is easy and my burden is light. Anybody who isn't with me, opposes me.
And anybody who isn't working with me is actually working against me. A tree is identified by its fruit. How can evil men speak what is good and right? For whatever is in your heart determines what you say. A good person produces good fruit from the treasury of a good heart, an evil person produces sin, evil things, from the treasury of an evil heart. I tell you this; you will be called to account on Judgment Day for every single idle word that you have spoken. The words you say will either acquit you or they will condemn you on the day of judgment. The seed that falls on the foot path represents those who hear the message about the kingdom, they don't understand it, and then the evil one comes and snatches away the seed that they received and it dies. The seed on the rocky soil represents those who hear the message and immediately receive it with joy, but they soon fall away when they have problems arise or they are persecuted for believing in God's word. The seed that fell among the thorns, represents those who hear God's Word, but all too quickly the message is crowded out by the worries and the cares of this life and the lure of wealth and no fruit is produced. The seed that fell on good soil represents those who hear and understand God's Word, and they produce a mighty harvest. Just as weeds are sorted out and burned, so it will be at the time of the end of the world.
The Son of Man will send his angels and they will remove from his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil, and the Angels will throw them into the fiery furnace where there will be a weeping and gnashing of teeth. And the righteous will shine like the sun in their father's kingdom. Anybody who has an ear must listen and understand. Anything you eat passes into your stomach and then goes into the sewer. But the words you speak come from the heart. That's what the defile you. For from the heart comes evil thoughts, murder and adultery, all sexual immorality, theft and lying and slander. These are what defile a man. If any of you wish to be my follower, you must turn from your selfish ways, take up your cross and follow me. If you try and hang on to your life you'll lose it, but if you give up your life for my sake you will find it. What benefit is it for you to gain the whole world yet lose your own soul? Is there anything worth more than your soul? For the Son of Man will come with all his angels in the glory of the father and he will judge all people according to their DEEDS.
I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins, and become like a little child, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven! Anybody who becomes as humble as a little child is the greatest in the kingdom of God. What sorrow awaits this world because it tempts people to sin. Temptations are inevitable, but what sorrow awaits the people who does the tempting. If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better to enter eternal life with one hand or one foot, than to be thrown in the external fire with both your hands and feet. If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than have two eyes and be cast into the fires of hell.
Beware that you don't look down on any of the little ones, for I tell you that in heaven their angels are always in the presence of the father. If a man has 100 sheep and one should run away, won't he leave the 99 and go and seek for the one that was lost? And if he finds it, I tell you the truth, he will rejoiced more over it, than the other 99 that didn't wander away. In the same way is it not my heavenly father's will, that even not one of these little ones should perish. If anyone's sins against you, go privately to them and point out their offense. If they listen you have won that person back. If you are unsuccessful, bring others to them and if they still won't listen, take your case to all the believers, the church. Then if they won't accept the correction, treat this person like a pagan. I tell you the truth whatever you've forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.
I tell you this also, if two of you agree here on earth concerning something you ask, my father in heaven will do it for you. For where two or three gather together as my followers, I am there amongst them. If you want to be perfect, go and sell what you have and give the money to the poor, and you'll have your treasure in heaven, and then come follow me. I tell you the truth, it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And I'll say it again but it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God. Humanly speaking it is impossible, but with God everything is possible. I assure you that when the world is made new and the Son of Man sits upon his glorious throne, you who have been my followers will also sit on 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel.
And everybody else who has given up house, or brother, or sister, or father, children, or property for my sake, will receive 100 times as much in reward and eternal life. You know that the rulers of the world lord it over their people and officials flaunt their authority over others, but among you it must be different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave. For even the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve others and give his life for a ransom for many. I tell you the truth, if you have faith and you don't doubt you can do things like this and much more. You can even say to this mountain, may you be lifted up and thrown into the sea and it will happen. You can pray for things and if you have faith you'll receive. You must love the Lord God with all your heart and mind and soul. This is the first and the greatest commandment.
The second is equally important; love your neighbor as yourself. The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments. The greatest among you must be your servant. Those who exalt themselves will be humbled. Those who humble themselves will be exalted. When the Son of Man returns it will be like in the days of Noah. For in those days people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up until the day Noah entered the ark. People didn't realize what was happening until the flood came and swept them all away. This is how it will be when the Son of Man comes. Two men will be working in the field, one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding flour in the mill, one will be taken and the other left. So you to must keep watch, for you don't know the hour your Lord is coming. Understand that if the homeowner knew the hour the thief was to come, he would not allow his house to be broken into. You also must be ready for the Son of Man will come when least expected. A faithful sensible servant to whom a master can give responsibility of mastering his other household servants, the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job and there will be a reward. But if the servant is evil and thinks that my master won't be back for a long time and he starts eating and drinking with the drunkards and beating the other servants, the master returned unannounced and unexpected and he will have the servant cut into pieces and assigned a place with the hypocrites in the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
But when the Son of Man comes in all his glory and all the angels with him, he will sit down on his glorious throne and all the nations will be gathered in his presence. He will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on the right; come to me you blessed by my father, for you have inherited the kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. I was hungry and you fed me. I was thirsty and you gave me a drink. I was naked and you clothed me, and I was sick and you cared for me. I was in prison and you visited me. And the righteous ones will ask; Lord when did we ever see you hungry and thirsty and give you something to drink? Or naked and give the clothing? Or in prison and visited you? And the King will say; I tell you the truth when you it to the least of these brethren of mine you were doing it unto me. And then the King will say to those on the left, away with me you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you didn't feed me. I was thirsty and you didn't give me a drink. And I was a stranger and you didn't invite me in. I was naked and you didn't clothe me, and I was sick and you didn't help me and visit me. And then they'll reply; Lord when it we ever see you hungry or thirsty or naked or sick or in prison and we did not help you? And he will answer them; I tell you the truth when you refused to help the least of my brothers and sisters you're refusing to help me. They will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous will go away into everlasting life.
Put away your sword those who use the sword shall die by the sword. Don't you realize that I could ask my father for thousands of angels to protect us and he would send them instantly! Keep watch and pray always that you don't give into temptation. For the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. Everybody will be tested by fire. Salt is good for seasoning but if it loses its flavour, how do you make it salty again? You must have salt amongst yourselves and live in peace with one another. Whoever divorces his wife and marries somebody else commits adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and married somebody else she commits adultery.
The coming of the Son of Man can be illustrated by the story of a man going on a long trip, when he left home he gave each of his slave's instructions about the work they were to do, and he told the gatekeeper to watch for his return. You too must keep watch for you do not know when the master of the house is going to return. In the evening in midnight or dawn or before daybreak, don't let him find you sleeping when he returns. I say to you what I say to everyone, watch for him. Pay attention to what you hear. Those who listen to my teachings more understanding will be given. Those who are not listening even what they think they have will be taken away from them. If you want to be my disciple, you must hate every thing else by comparison; your father and mother, wife children and brothers and sisters, even your own life otherwise he cannot be my disciple. And if you do not carry your own cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. Don't begin until you count the cost, otherwise you might not complete only the foundations before running out and people laugh at you. You must count the cost if you want to be my disciple. You cannot be my disciple without giving up everything that you have. If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large things.
If you are dishonest with little things you won't be honest with greater responsibilities. If you are untrustworthy about worldly wealth, who will trust you with heavenly wealth. If you are not faithful with other people's things, why should you be trusted with things of your own? No one can serve two masters. You cannot serve God and money. There will always be temptation to sin but woe to the person who does the tempting. If another believer sins rebuke that person. Then if there is repentance, forgive. Even if that person wrongs you 70 times a day and each time asks you for forgiveness, you must forgive them. If you have faith even as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this tree; be uprooted and be thrown into the sea and it will obey you. When a servant comes in from plowing does his master say come eat with me? No, he says prepare my meal and serve me while I eat and you can eat later. And does the master thank the servant for doing what he told him to do? Of course not! In the same way you obey me, you should say we are unworthy servants who have simply done our duty.
I tell you the truth unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the son of man, you cannot have eternal life within you. Anybody who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise that person up on the last day. I live because of the living father who sent me in the same way anybody who feeds on me will live because of me. I am the true bread that came down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will never die like your ancestors did. The spirit alone gives eternal life and the very words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But some of you don't believe me, that is why I say that people can't come to me unless the father gives them to me.
You cannot enter the kingdom of heaven without becoming born again of water and the Spirit. Humans can produce only human life but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life. Don't be surprised when I say you must be born again. The wind blows and just as you hear the wind blowing and you can't tell where it is coming from, so you can't explain how people are born of the Spirit. No one has ever gone to heaven and returned, but the Son of Man has come down from heaven and as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up so everybody who believes on him, will have eternal life. God so loved the world that he sent his only son so that everybody who believes on him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his son into the world not to judge it, but to save the world through him.
There is no judgment against anybody who believes in him. Anybody who does not believe in him, has a ready being judged for not believing in God's only son. And the judgment is based on the fact that God's light has come into the world, that people love darkness more than they love light for their actions are evil. All who do evil refused to come to the light for fear their sins will be exposed. But those who do what is right, come to the light so everybody can see that they are doing what God wants. Anybody who drinks of water will be thirsty again, but those who drink of the water that I give, will never be thirsty again. It is a fresh bubbling spring within them giving their eternal life. God is Spirit and he's looking for those who worship him in spirit and in truth. I am the Messiah. I assure you now that the time is coming and is indeed here now when the dead will hear the voice of the son of God.
And those who listen will live. The father has life in himself and he has granted the same life-giving power to the son and he has given him authority to judge everybody because he is the son of man. Don't be surprised, indeed the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of the son of God, and that will arise. Those who have done good will arise to eternal life, those who have continued in sin will arise to experienced judgment. I can do nothing on my own, I judge as God tells me therefore my judgment is just because I carry out the will of the one who sent me.
Anyone who is thirsty and let him come to me and drink anyone who believes in me may he come and drink for the scriptures declare that rivers of living water will flow from his heart. I am the light of the world, if you follow me you'll never walk in darkness, because you will have the light that leads to life. I tell you the truth everybody who sins is a slave to sin; and a slave is not a permanent member of the family of God, but the son is part of the family forever and if the son sets you free you are truly free. I entered this world is to render judgment to give sight to the blind and to show that those who think they see, they really are blind. I am the resurrection and the life anyone who believes in me will live even after dying.
Anyone who lives in me and believes in me will never die. If you trust in me you are trusting not only me but also in God who sent me. For when you see me you are seeing the one who sent me. I have come as a light to shine in the dark world, and all who put their trust in me will not remain in darkness. I will not judge those who hear me but don't obey me, for I have come to save the world not judge it, but they who reject me and my message will be judged by the day of judgment by the truth I have spoken. I don't speak of my authority, the father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it. And I know his commandments lead to eternal life, so I say whatever the father says to me to say. All who reject me and my message will be judged on the day of judgment by the truth that I have spoken. If you love me obey my commandments and I will ask the father and he will give you another advocate, the Holy Spirit, who will lead you into all truth and will never leave you. The world cannot receive him because it isn't looking for him but you know him because he lives in you now and later will be with you. I do not abandon you as orphans, when I'm raised to life again you'll know that I am with my father and you are with me.
Those who accept my commandments and obey them, I and my father will love them and I will love them and reveal myself to each one of them. My sheep know my voice and they hear and they listen to me. They do not follow anybody else. I am the way the truth and the life nobody can come to the Father except through me. If he had really known me, you would know who my Father is. From now on you do know him because you have seen me. I tell you the truth he who believes in me will do great works that I have done an even greater. You can ask for things in my name and I will do it so that the son of man can bring glory to the father. Yes ask for things in my name and I will do it. Anyone who does not love me will not obey me, and remember my words are not my own.
I'm leaving you a free gift, peace of mind and peace of heart, and at peace I give is a gift the world cannot give you. So don't be troubled or afraid. Remember what I told you. If you really loved me you would be happy that I'm going away. I have told you these things that when they happen you will believe. I am the vine and you are the branches, my father is the gardener. And he cuts off every vine branch that doesn't bear fruit. Remain in me and I in you for the branch cannot produce fruit while it is severed from the vine. I am the vine you are the branches, you who remain in me and I in you will produce much fruit. When you produce much fruit you are my disciples and this brings great joy to my father. Anybody who does not remain in me and withers up is a useless branch and such branches are gathered and cut off and they are thrown into the furnace and burnt. But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want and it will be granted. Go into all the world and preach the good news of the kingdom. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. He who does not believe will be condemned......
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Jan is a false teacher ( also known as finalcall ) from youtube
He DOES NOT teach the truth !!!
: ljs Thu Jul 16, 2015 - 19:11:49
Jan is a false teacher ( also known as finalcall ) from youtube
He DOES NOT teach the truth !!!
When you call someone a false teacher, then please explain from the message above what is
false about it, instead of just making a blanket statement.
Thank you.
Besides probably 95% of people posting here are "false teacher", as it seems that no more than 5% can
agree on anything.
::smile:: ::smile::
Looking forward to hearing your truth on the statement made in the Original Poster.
your right , I should have explained myself , i apologize
Well first of all , altho that statement sounds like truth , there are false statements mixed in there
" We do not quote scripture to defend or justify our beliefs " ??? That isnt true , but Jan doesnt believe the Bible is ALL God inspired , he says some is , but not all
Also the statement " if Jesus is not everything , day to day , moment by moment , he is not our Lord & master , and we do not belong to him ?? Also false , as born again believers , we have a choice as to whether we walk in the spirit or the flesh , of course WE SHOULD walk in the Spirit , but we dont always do so , but we still BELONG to Jesus , because when we believed the Gospel and trusted Jesus Christ for our salvation , we were adopted into Gods family , and were SEALED with the Holy Spirit .
Jan teaches that if we sin and grieve the Spirit , he leaves us , which is a LIE . That is Old Covenant theology . Once Jesus died for us , everything changed , we are now under the New Covenant , where we are indwelt with the spirit , he has taken up residence , and doesnt leave us , even if we sin ( which we all do ) Isnt that WONDERFUL !!!
Salvation and discipleship are 2 different things
: ljs Fri Jul 17, 2015 - 07:09:12
your right , I should have explained myself , i apologize
Well first of all , altho that statement sounds like truth , there are false statements mixed in there
" We do not quote scripture to defend or justify our beliefs " ??? That isnt true , but Jan doesnt believe the Bible is ALL God inspired , he says some is , but not all
::doh:: Oh, man. That is so funny, because I bet while he doesn't believe the Bible is completely inspired by God, I bet he *sure* thinks *his* words are, and should be obeyed without question, right? ::frown::
Salvation and discipleship are 2 different things
Amen! I agree! ::smile::
: ljs Fri Jul 17, 2015 - 07:09:12
your right , I should have explained myself , i apologize
Well first of all , altho that statement sounds like truth , there are false statements mixed in there
" We do not quote scripture to defend or justify our beliefs " ??? That isnt true , but Jan doesnt believe the Bible is ALL God inspired , he says some is , but not all
Salvation and discipleship are 2 different things
Sorry, can't find in this thread where it is mentioned about the bible is all God inspired.
I personally do not know this Jan, but this thread is about what the OP wrote, so maybe you could
stick to that.
Thank you.
You state.......Salvation and discipleship are 2 different things.
Would you be so kind to explain and show us the difference please.
I was so hoping to find a forum wherein this man's name didn't rise up again.
My best friend made a video about this false teacher. I can't yet post links as a new member but, if you go to You Tube and seek out the video titled: Jan Boshoff (finalcall07) Condones Sin, you'll hear why it is true he is false.
Allow me to say 2 things.
In regards to Jan Boshoff, I'd advise caution. He sounds good on the surface, but is very skewed spiritually. His beliefs are very dogmatic, and the Christian Life he propose is in no way with a light burden. He raises good points, surely he does, but he himself does not have the Spirit of Truth guiding him.
In regards to the message above, God will not have servants. What do I mean by this? The heavenly beings, known as the angels, were created to serve God and man. But man was not created to be servants, but sons. As a son, you grow up, being not that much different than a servant, until you mature and is able to stand on your own. Likewise, the Father would have His children grow and be able to use wisdom and what they have been taught to stand, not so much on their own, but at the same time not needing to ask God for every direction in every move. Inevitably you want your child to grow up and be able to handle your business on his own, though not without access to you for more wisdom if needed.
I did stick to what the OP said
Salvation is all about Gods Grace , which is a FREE gift
Discipleship is about learning , growing , obeying , & our own good works , which will all be rewarded , but have nothing to do with whether we are saved or not !
: ljs Fri Jul 17, 2015 - 07:09:12
your right , I should have explained myself , i apologize
Well first of all , altho that statement sounds like truth , there are false statements mixed in there
" We do not quote scripture to defend or justify our beliefs " ??? That isnt true , but Jan doesnt believe the Bible is ALL God inspired , he says some is , but not all
Also the statement " if Jesus is not everything , day to day , moment by moment , he is not our Lord & master , and we do not belong to him ?? Also false , as born again believers , we have a choice as to whether we walk in the spirit or the flesh , of course WE SHOULD walk in the Spirit , but we dont always do so , but we still BELONG to Jesus , because when we believed the Gospel and trusted Jesus Christ for our salvation , we were adopted into Gods family , and were SEALED with the Holy Spirit .
Jan teaches that if we sin and grieve the Spirit , he leaves us , which is a LIE . That is Old Covenant theology . Once Jesus died for us , everything changed , we are now under the New Covenant , where we are indwelt with the spirit , he has taken up residence , and doesnt leave us , even if we sin ( which we all do ) Isnt that WONDERFUL !!!
Salvation and discipleship are 2 different things
ljs, what you say makes perfect sense to me. ::amen!::
Im glad it makes sense to you Lady !!!!
Ive only been saved for a couple of years , and am still learning , but I do KNOW that my salvation was a FREE GIFT from God , because in my flesh there isnt anything good .
It is just so sad that so many dont understand this :( They really believe that their salvation depends on them
It is our Spirit that is born again , but we are still in our fleshly bodies until Jesus comes , then we will be made perfect , like he is , what a glorious hope !!!!!
: ljs Fri Jul 17, 2015 - 15:03:04
Im glad it makes sense to you Lady !!!!
Ive only been saved for a couple of years , and am still learning , but I do KNOW that my salvation was a FREE GIFT from God , because in my flesh there isnt anything good .
It is just so sad that so many dont understand this :( They really believe that their salvation depends on them
It is our Spirit that is born again , but we are still in our fleshly bodies until Jesus comes , then we will be made perfect , like he is , what a glorious hope !!!!!
Good post!
: Cheez Thu Jul 16, 2015 - 15:45:11
Here is message from Jan Boshoff.. I copy n pasted.
The world is full of self-sufficient Christians. They have everything sorted out. They have their church, they have their Bible, they know the right scriptures, they can prove their salvation, they have their occupation. They have their plans. They are in total control. They have their life planned and they do things as they see fit. The only problem is that they do not have Jesus Christ. If we are truly Christians, disciples, followers of Jesus Christ then we realize how absolutely, totally dependent we are on Him. Without Him we can do nothing. He guides us, He teaches us. We have no plans because we walk in His plan and we do what He tells us to do. We take the job that He gives us to do and we live our lives to please Him. We do not quote scripture to defend or justify our belief, we have a TESTIMONY because we WALK WITH Jesus. He provides in our needs and He guides us every step of the way. The self-sufficient Christian is no Christian at all. He does not know Jesus, he doesn't need Jesus because he himself thinks that he is God. Are we disciples of Jesus Christ? Is He our LIFE? Is He our everything? Or have we got it all sorted out and planned out? If Jesus is not EVERYTHING, day to day, moment by moment, in our lives, then He is not our Lord and Master and we do not belong to Him. Are you a self-sufficient Christian or are you totally, utterly dependent on Jesus Christ for every moment of your life? May Jesus bless you.
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He clearly doesnt know many Christians. ::headscratch:: ::pondering:: ::shrug:: The hundreds that I have known and know are just normal imperfect but much loved children of God who do their best but understand that in the end its not about them, but about HIM.
: ljs Fri Jul 17, 2015 - 07:09:12
your right , I should have explained myself , i apologize
Well first of all , altho that statement sounds like truth , there are false statements mixed in there
" We do not quote scripture to defend or justify our beliefs " ??? That isnt true , but Jan doesnt believe the Bible is ALL God inspired , he says some is , but not all
Also the statement " if Jesus is not everything , day to day , moment by moment , he is not our Lord & master , and we do not belong to him ?? Also false , as born again believers , we have a choice as to whether we walk in the spirit or the flesh , of course WE SHOULD walk in the Spirit , but we dont always do so , but we still BELONG to Jesus , because when we believed the Gospel and trusted Jesus Christ for our salvation , we were adopted into Gods family , and were SEALED with the Holy Spirit .
Jan teaches that if we sin and grieve the Spirit , he leaves us , which is a LIE . That is Old Covenant theology . Once Jesus died for us , everything changed , we are now under the New Covenant , where we are indwelt with the spirit , he has taken up residence , and doesnt leave us , even if we sin ( which we all do ) Isnt that WONDERFUL !!!
Salvation and discipleship are 2 different things
::amen!:: ::amen!:: ::amen!:: ::amen!:: ::amen!:: ::amen!:: ::amen!::
: LexKnight Fri Jul 17, 2015 - 10:11:53
Allow me to say 2 things.
In regards to Jan Boshoff, I'd advise caution. He sounds good on the surface, but is very skewed spiritually. His beliefs are very dogmatic, and the Christian Life he propose is in no way with a light burden. He raises good points, surely he does, but he himself does not have the Spirit of Truth guiding him.
In regards to the message above, God will not have servants. What do I mean by this? The heavenly beings, known as the angels, were created to serve God and man. But man was not created to be servants, but sons. As a son, you grow up, being not that much different than a servant, until you mature and is able to stand on your own. Likewise, the Father would have His children grow and be able to use wisdom and what they have been taught to stand, not so much on their own, but at the same time not needing to ask God for every direction in every move. Inevitably you want your child to grow up and be able to handle your business on his own, though not without access to you for more wisdom if needed.
::amen!::
: ljs Fri Jul 17, 2015 - 15:03:04
Im glad it makes sense to you Lady !!!!
Ive only been saved for a couple of years , and am still learning , but I do KNOW that my salvation was a FREE GIFT from God , because in my flesh there isnt anything good .
It is just so sad that so many dont understand this :( They really believe that their salvation depends on them
It is our Spirit that is born again , but we are still in our fleshly bodies until Jesus comes , then we will be made perfect , like he is , what a glorious hope !!!!!
Out of the mouths of babes.....
Its good to see that as such a young believer you are so mature in your understanding, far more so that many who have been believers for a long time. ::smile::
Thank you chosenone , thats an encouragement for me ::smile::
Another good word of the day by Mr Boshoff.
Never in history has there been as many printed Bibles in the world. Never before in history have as many people been literate. The Bible is available everywhere, on the internet. There are many Bible EXPERTS in this world but there are very few people who know Jesus Christ. The world has no knowledge of God because they don't know Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ Himself is the WAY. If you don't KNOW Jesus and you don't FOLLOW Him, you are LOST. You might be a Bible Expert but Jesus said:"My sheep LISTEN to My VOICE and they FOLLOW Me." The world does not know right from wrong, they don't even know to blush, they have no shame. Christians are living in sin and wickedness and they don't even blush. They don't have Jesus Christ and they don't have the Holy Spirit. Many of them quote the Bible and they will tell you they have salvation but they are LOST in their SIN and they will PERISH because they don't KNOW Jesus Christ. If we OBEY Jesus Christ, DO as He commanded as is also recorded in the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, if we REPENT and turn away from our evil ways and accept Jesus Christ, be baptized in water and seek HIM, seek the Holy Spirit INFILLING, then we will find Him. Without the Holy Spirit guiding you, you are LOST. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. If you don't have the Holy Spirit and if you do not follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit you are LOST with your Bible. Jesus Christ is the LIVING GOD and He guides each and every disciple bu His Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him and you will PERISH. There are many Bible Experts in this world but very little knowledge of God and that is why they SIN and they will perish in their sin if they do not REPENT and seek Jesus Christ. If you do not get to know Jesus Christ and follow and obey Him you will PERISH in your sins WITH your Bible. Seek Jesus NOW while you can before it is TOO LATE, FOLLOW and OBEY Him or you will certainly perish. May Jesus bless you.
Not to say he doesn't have originality (he doesn't), but a lot of his stuff is repeated over and over... You know he confessed before to the Bible being the Mark of the Beast?
: LexKnight Wed Jul 22, 2015 - 15:00:34
Not to say he doesn't have originality (he doesn't), but a lot of his stuff is repeated over and over... You know he confessed before to the Bible being the Mark of the Beast?
Well he has to repeat cause most people don't listen.... He is repeating same words to increase exposure so more people can wake up... I am pretty sure Jesus told him to do that cause he loves us and wants to save us. Father God has been crying and depressed cause most souls perish to hell.
Here is a good word of the day by Andy (WarningThePeople) ^_^)
Contrary to the common Christian teaching, faith and belief alone in Jesus WILL NOT SAVE YOU. Christians will quote all kinds of verses to prove to you that if you JUST BELIEVE you will be saved. They will quote Paul and Silas in Acts chapter 16 when they said to the jailer, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved..." Or they quote John 3:16 that you must believe in Jesus and you will be saved... But see they TWIST the words of the Scripture and to their OWN demise, because TRUE belief in Jesus is TOTAL
obedience and
surrender, it is NOT just believing things ABOUT Jesus, but is a TOTAL
life CHANGE. These Christians of today ARE IN SIN and they refuse to really repent. IF they repented they would be saved, but they are NOT repenting of their sins. They say; "Well we have repented..." THEY HAVE NOT REPENTED because THEY ARE STILL SINNING. Are YOU like the Christians that are still sinning, believing that you are saved because you think you believe in Jesus? Or have you TRULY repented? Is your faith in JESUS and are you PROVING it by your action? Because without actions, without WORKS, you don't REALLY have ANY faith at all. DO you REALLY love Jesus with your ACTIONS? Or are you like the FAKE Christians who DON'T REALLY love Jesus? May the grace of Jesus be with you.
Cheez
: Cheez Wed Jul 22, 2015 - 14:38:44
Another good word of the day by Mr Boshoff.
Never in history has there been as many printed Bibles in the world. Never before in history have as many people been literate. The Bible is available everywhere, on the internet. There are many Bible EXPERTS in this world but there are very few people who know Jesus Christ. The world has no knowledge of God because they don't know Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ Himself is the WAY. If you don't KNOW Jesus and you don't FOLLOW Him, you are LOST. You might be a Bible Expert but Jesus said:"My sheep LISTEN to My VOICE and they FOLLOW Me." The world does not know right from wrong, they don't even know to blush, they have no shame. Christians are living in sin and wickedness and they don't even blush. They don't have Jesus Christ and they don't have the Holy Spirit. Many of them quote the Bible and they will tell you they have salvation but they are LOST in their SIN and they will PERISH because they don't KNOW Jesus Christ. If we OBEY Jesus Christ, DO as He commanded as is also recorded in the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, if we REPENT and turn away from our evil ways and accept Jesus Christ, be baptized in water and seek HIM, seek the Holy Spirit INFILLING, then we will find Him. Without the Holy Spirit guiding you, you are LOST. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. If you don't have the Holy Spirit and if you do not follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit you are LOST with your Bible. Jesus Christ is the LIVING GOD and He guides each and every disciple bu His Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him and you will PERISH. There are many Bible Experts in this world but very little knowledge of God and that is why they SIN and they will perish in their sin if they do not REPENT and seek Jesus Christ. If you do not get to know Jesus Christ and follow and obey Him you will PERISH in your sins WITH your Bible. Seek Jesus NOW while you can before it is TOO LATE, FOLLOW and OBEY Him or you will certainly perish. May Jesus bless you.
Sure, there are some with only head knowledge of the Word, who have no eyes to see or ears to hear...but there are many many more who wish to march to the beat of their own drum and so they push aside the Word of God, so they do not have to live under the authority of it. They want to be wise in their own eyes and drag down as many as they can. ::frown::
: Cheez Wed Jul 22, 2015 - 15:06:21
Here is a good word of the day by Andy (WarningThePeople) ^_^)
Contrary to the common Christian teaching, faith and belief alone in Jesus WILL NOT SAVE YOU. Christians will quote all kinds of verses to prove to you that if you JUST BELIEVE you will be saved. They will quote Paul and Silas in Acts chapter 16 when they said to the jailer, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved..." Or they quote John 3:16 that you must believe in Jesus and you will be saved... But see they TWIST the words of the Scripture and to their OWN demise, because TRUE belief in Jesus is TOTAL obedience and surrender, it is NOT just believing things ABOUT Jesus, but is a TOTAL life CHANGE.
Actually, salvation comes EXACTLY how the Word tells us...and its not twisting scripture, like this "Andy" person claims.
Total obedience is God's work in the growing life of a Christian but it is not what gives us our salvation...or it would be a salvation of works. God is pretty darned clear that our salvation is HIS gift to us, and NOT of works, so that we puny, sorry, pitiful humans wont get a big head and boast.
These Christians of today ARE IN SIN and they refuse to really repent. IF they repented they would be saved, but they are NOT repenting of their sins. They say; "Well we have repented..." THEY HAVE NOT REPENTED because THEY ARE STILL SINNING. Are YOU like the Christians that are still sinning, believing that you are saved because you think you believe in Jesus? Or have you TRULY repented? Is your faith in JESUS and are you PROVING it by your action? Because without actions, without WORKS, you don't REALLY have ANY faith at all. DO you REALLY love Jesus with your ACTIONS? Or are you like the FAKE Christians who DON'T REALLY love Jesus? May the grace of Jesus be with you.
Every follower of Christ sins, even ol Andy. However, we are promised that if we sin, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness, because we have an advocate on high with the Father, who is Jesus Christ the Lord.
Here is a good teaching session by Jan Boshoff. This will be very helpful for many to get prepared for the destruction to come shortly. Get yourself some coffee and read this.... It's Jesus' will. He wants us to read it.
There is only one way to have salvation and that is the way of DISCIPLESHIP, following Jesus Christ. There is only one way that we can follow Jesus Christ and that is to be LED by the Holy Spirit. Most believers do not have the Holy Spirit, they do not know what discipleship is all about. it will COST you to follow Jesus Christ. The COST is very high and Jesus said that if we WISH to follow Him we must DENY OURSELVES, PICK UP OUR cross and FOLLOW Him. Most believers do not know what that means and I want to explain that today. We read in Luke chapter 9 "23And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. 24"For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it. 25"For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself? 26"For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels." We have to DENY OURSELVES. What does it mean to DENY YOURSELF? It means to REPENT, REPENT, TURN AWAY, DISREGARD and REFRAIN from satisfying our own DESIRES, NEEDS, PLEASURES, ASPIRATIONS and PLANS. You ABANDON your own desires, that which you LIKE. You give it up and then you have to go after Jesus Christ. Jesus said that you have to PICK UP YOUR CROSS. what is that CROSS? The cross is the COMMANDMENTS of Jesus Christ, His WORDS, that which He spoke. That was also recorded in the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Those are the words of eternal life and we have to OBEY them if we want to have eternal life. Before we can follow Jesus Christ we have to obey those words. That is the CROSS, because as soon as you start obeying the words of Jesus, if you REPENT, turn away from sin, turn away from the things of the world and live according to the words of Jesus then you will be REJECTED. You will be PERSECUTED, you will be SLANDERED, you will be EX-COMMUNICATED. The world will REJECT you, family will reject you, you might lose your job, you might lose your spouse. Your children might reject you, you will end up ALONE. And if you keep on obeying Jesus, doing as He commanded, you will end up alone, carrying your cross. Obeying the words of Jesus Christ and doing as he commanded , that is the cross that we will bear. If we disregard His words and disobey Him then we are not suitable for His kingdom, we cannot follow Him. Many refuse to be baptized in water because if they are baptized in water people will reject them. They rather treasure the acceptance of people than the acceptance of God and therefor they cannot follow Jesus. They are not willing to pick up their cross every day and follow Jesus Christ in spite of rejection, in spite of difficulty, in spite of persecution. They don't want the cross. They are not willing to give up the things of the world , they are not willing to bear the cross. If we make up our mind to follow Jesus Christ and we deny ourselves, we OBEY His words, REPENT and are baptized in water then only can we follow Him BUT we can only follow Jesus Christ if we are LED by the Holy Spirit. If we do not have the Holy Spirit we cannot follow Jesus Christ. You cannot follow Jesus from reading the Bible. You cannot follow Him form being religious, going to church, being in fellowship with other Christians. You have to be in fellowship with Jesus Christ. You need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and then follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit every day. You have to stay with Jesus , stay tuned in, listen to the Holy Spirit and He will teach and guide you. He will send you, He will use you. Jesus has called each and every one of us for a purpose in His kingdom and the only way that we can fulfill that purpose is if we are led by the Holy Spirit every day. There is no TIME OUT. You cannot stop following Jesus Christ for a day or two and then go back. You have to follow Him every day until the very end. That is the road of discipleship. The apostle Paul wrote in Romans chapter 8:14 "Those who are being led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God," the children of God. If we are not led by the Spirit of God then we are not the children of God, we are not the sons of God. We can only follow Jesus Christ if we have His Spirit and if we LISTEN, FOLLOW and OBEY Him. We have to make SPACE for His Spirit. That is why we have to DENY ourselves, we have to deny ourselves our own plans, deny ourselves watching TV, playing sports, doing the things that the world do and OPEN our hearts for Jesus, invite Him in, WAIT on Him, SEEK Him, PRAY and ask Him to FILL us with His Spirit so that we can be in FELLOWSHIP, in RELATIONSHIP with Him and that we can follow Him, and DO His will. Many people say they have been asking for the baptism in the Holy Spirit and they are not receiving it. It is because they are not seeking. It is because they are not SERIOUS. We have to EARNESTLY SEEK the infilling with the Holy Spirit even if it means that you have got to FAST and PRAY and WAIT on the Lord to FILL you. Many believers do not know what the purpose is of fasting. After our Lord Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, He was led into the desert by the Holy Spirit, where He fasted for forty days, He was without food and after that the devil came and tempted Him but He overcame satan. The purpose of FASTING, going without food for some time, to pray is do deprive yourself of sensual and physical pleasures and to focus on Jesus. As the physical is weakened the spiritual inner man that is normally suppressed and smothered is allowed to surface and you become spiritually awake, your spirit is released and becomes open to the Holy Spirit. While you are fasting you have to get your focus on Jesus Christ and PRAY because as your body is weakened and your spirit becomes awakened you will be attacked by evil spirits also, by demons, like Jesus was attacked by the devil. You have to keep your mind and your spirit focused on Jesus Christ and OPEN yourself to Him. You have to fight off the evil spirits. The first three days you will become hungry and you will want to eat. After three days the hunger pains will leave you and you will be able to stay without food much easier, but keep on using water. It is possible to fast on water for forty days as Jesus Christ did. And after that the devil tempted Him but He overcame satan. He was filled with the Holy Spirit and then His ministry started. If we follow Jesus Christ we need to be filled with the Holy Spirit and the POWER of God. We need to to be RECEPTIVE to the Holy Spirit. We need to KNOW His VOICE and FOLLOW Him. If we have not received the Holy Spirit and we have not learned to HEAR His VOICE, to LISTEN, to OBEY, to FOLLOW then we cannot follow Jesus Christ. We need to be FILLED with the HOLY SPIRIT. We have to overcome our own flesh, we have to overcome the attacks of the devil. That is why most Christians cannot stop sinning. They have never FOUGHT the devil and overcome. They are still battling with sin and they are not led by the Holy Spirit because they do not have the Spirit of Christ IN them. We have to be FILLED with the Holy Spirit, we have to be taught by the Holy Spirit and led by the Holy Spirit to do the works of God, to fulfill the task for which Jesus Christ has called us and if we do not have the Holy Spirit and do not submit ourselves to Him daily, pick up our cross and follow Jesus Christ, PRAY, LISTEN, OBEY and DO what He commands us to do then we are NOT suitable for the kingdom of heaven, we are not useful, we cannot bear fruit for the kingdom of God if we are not LED by the Spirit of God. We cannot go out on our own and work for God. We can only work for the kingdom of God if we are led by the Spirit of God, if we FOLLOW and OBEY Jesus Christ every day. Very few Christians follow Jesus Christ. Very few are disciples because most Christians have never received the Holy Spirit and even those who did receive the Holy Spirit do not follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is through our relationship with Jesus Christ, being LED by the Holy Spirit every day, that we gain WISDOM and UNDERSTANDING, that He TEACHES us and GUIDES us and we become part of His kingdom because we SERVE Him. Jesus Christ requires DISCIPLESHIP. There is no other way to follow Him but to be a DISCIPLE who is LED by the Holy Spirit. Have you become a DISCIPLE of Jesus Christ? May Jesus bless you.
Most believers do not have the Holy Spirit,
That is NOT supported by scripture!
Ephesians 1:13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
1 Corinthians 12:13 13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
Romans 8:9 tells us the exact opposite of what Jan says: 9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. (IOW, there can't *be* a believer who does not have the Holy Spirit! If they don't have Him, they aren't God's)
Good teaching by Robert Lyte ^_^)
Published on Jul 23, 2015 by Robert Lyte
Jesus Christ said to go sin no more, to the woman who was found caught in adultery. If Jesus says we are to go sin no more, it means that he knows that it is possible, and that he requires it, and we can indeed sin no more! If it was impossible like a lot of people will tell you, then Jesus could not say to go sin no more, because who could do what was impossible? Many believers believe the deadly deception that the Apostle Paul went on sinning, where he wrote in Romans chapter 7, that he did things he didn't want to do, but the sin living within him, did those things, so he wasn't free to carry out his good intentions. But we know, that Paul wrote, "You are no longer obligated to follow the dictates of the flesh." He further wrote in Galatians chapter 5, "Those who are of Christ, have crucified their passions of the flesh and its desires." Have you? Have you crucified the passions of your flesh and its desires? Are you IN CHRIST? Jesus knew what he was talking about when he said to go sin no more, because he knew that, as Paul wrote in Romans chapter 7, that we are not capable of carrying out our good intentions, because of the evil that lies within us, causes us to continue to sin! That is why Jesus died on the cross, so that he could set us FREE from this predicament, that we would be given the power and the tools necessary, by the power of the Holy Spirit to overcome and no longer practice sin anymore! That is why, it is written in 1 John chapter 3, that those who abide in Jesus, don't continue to sin. Jesus made it very clear where he said in John chapter 15 that he is the vine and you are the branches, and every branch that abides in him produces good fruit, and those who don't wither, because he said you cannot do anything without me. That is why he said to, "Abide in me." That is what Jesus told me when I turned to him, and turned away from my life of sin. He said to me to abide in him, because Jesus knows that when you abide in him, you will be given the power to overcome and add to your faith daily the good things of the Holy Spirit so you no longer live a life of wickedness. It is written that those of Christ become a NEW CREATION, and the old has passed away and the new has come! Now, has that happened for you? Has the old passed away for your life? Has the new come?
If it has, it is because you have come to KNOW Jesus. He has come to abide in you. But if it has not, and you are continuing to live a life after your own desires, and you are continuing to be entertained by this world's wickedness on the TV screens, and the movies, and the sport, and all the things that this generation strives after, then how can you know Jesus? How can he abide in you? Because clearly, you are not a new creation. The old in you has not passed away. You still continue to sin and practice sin daily because you are a sinner! Not everything is in this category of sin, but if our minds are focused on this world, and being entertained by sin, adultery, and fornication on the TV screen, by the ungodly idol of sport in our lives, but the ungodly music of this generation such as hip-hop music, rock culture, pop culture, if that is what you identify with everyday, then it is very clear that your heart, you, are not transformed by Jesus Christ. The old has not passed away in you. You are not a new creation. Jesus and you do not abide with each other. If he did, you would show it by your new life. Not everything out there is sin, and showing that we are not on the right path. We all still have got to work in this world, and have some kind of connection with people in this world and unbelievers, but the thing is the difference between a follower of Christ who has been transformed because he has come to know Jesus by seriously seeking in faith, the difference with this person is that he is indeed separate from the way this world goes: they love immorality, they love diversity which they call gay, homosexual marriage, transgender etc. They love diversity. They love the diversity of sin. They love the latest wickedness of actors in movies. The celebrities, are loved by the world because they are of the world, and believers who also go after that, have nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Jesus does require us to go another way, and the person who has been changed by Jesus, goes another way! He doesnt continue being the old person. He only continues to follow Jesus in a NEW WAY where he is seeking to be led by Jesus each day. He wants to know what the Lord is doing in his life. His mission for the Lord.
1 John 1:8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
Romans 3:10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
2 Chronicles 6:36 "When they sin against you--for there is no one who does not sin--
1 John 1:10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
BUT THE GOOD NEWS *IS*
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.
What these "great" men don't seem to grasp, Cheez, is how far short they fall of God's perfect and Holy glory! On our *best* day, of living for Him, we *still* fall short and need Jesus to be our advocate on high with the Father, who is faithful and just to cleanse us.
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 08:52:26
Good teaching by Robert Lyte ^_^)
Published on Jul 23, 2015 by Robert Lyte
Jesus Christ said to go sin no more, to the woman who was found caught in adultery. If Jesus says we are to go sin no more, it means that he knows that it is possible, and that he requires it, and we can indeed sin no more! If it was impossible like a lot of people will tell you, then Jesus could not say to go sin no more, because who could do what was impossible? Many believers believe the deadly deception that the Apostle Paul went on sinning, where he wrote in Romans chapter 7, that he did things he didn't want to do, but the sin living within him, did those things, so he wasn't free to carry out his good intentions. But we know, that Paul wrote, "You are no longer obligated to follow the dictates of the flesh." He further wrote in Galatians chapter 5, "Those who are of Christ, have crucified their passions of the flesh and its desires." Have you? Have you crucified the passions of your flesh and its desires? Are you IN CHRIST? Jesus knew what he was talking about when he said to go sin no more, because he knew that, as Paul wrote in Romans chapter 7, that we are not capable of carrying out our good intentions, because of the evil that lies within us, causes us to continue to sin! That is why Jesus died on the cross, so that he could set us FREE from this predicament, that we would be given the power and the tools necessary, by the power of the Holy Spirit to overcome and no longer practice sin anymore! That is why, it is written in 1 John chapter 3, that those who abide in Jesus, don't continue to sin. Jesus made it very clear where he said in John chapter 15 that he is the vine and you are the branches, and every branch that abides in him produces good fruit, and those who don't wither, because he said you cannot do anything without me. That is why he said to, "Abide in me." That is what Jesus told me when I turned to him, and turned away from my life of sin. He said to me to abide in him, because Jesus knows that when you abide in him, you will be given the power to overcome and add to your faith daily the good things of the Holy Spirit so you no longer live a life of wickedness. It is written that those of Christ become a NEW CREATION, and the old has passed away and the new has come! Now, has that happened for you? Has the old passed away for your life? Has the new come?
If it has, it is because you have come to KNOW Jesus. He has come to abide in you. But if it has not, and you are continuing to live a life after your own desires, and you are continuing to be entertained by this world's wickedness on the TV screens, and the movies, and the sport, and all the things that this generation strives after, then how can you know Jesus? How can he abide in you? Because clearly, you are not a new creation. The old in you has not passed away. You still continue to sin and practice sin daily because you are a sinner! Not everything is in this category of sin, but if our minds are focused on this world, and being entertained by sin, adultery, and fornication on the TV screen, by the ungodly idol of sport in our lives, but the ungodly music of this generation such as hip-hop music, rock culture, pop culture, if that is what you identify with everyday, then it is very clear that your heart, you, are not transformed by Jesus Christ. The old has not passed away in you. You are not a new creation. Jesus and you do not abide with each other. If he did, you would show it by your new life. Not everything out there is sin, and showing that we are not on the right path. We all still have got to work in this world, and have some kind of connection with people in this world and unbelievers, but the thing is the difference between a follower of Christ who has been transformed because he has come to know Jesus by seriously seeking in faith, the difference with this person is that he is indeed separate from the way this world goes: they love immorality, they love diversity which they call gay, homosexual marriage, transgender etc. They love diversity. They love the diversity of sin. They love the latest wickedness of actors in movies. The celebrities, are loved by the world because they are of the world, and believers who also go after that, have nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Jesus does require us to go another way, and the person who has been changed by Jesus, goes another way! He doesnt continue being the old person. He only continues to follow Jesus in a NEW WAY where he is seeking to be led by Jesus each day. He wants to know what the Lord is doing in his life. His mission for the Lord.
Good message
But if it has not, and you are continuing to live a life after your own desires, and you are continuing to be entertained by this world's wickedness on the TV screens, and the movies, and the sport, and all the things that this generation strives after, then how can you know Jesus? How can he abide in you? Because clearly, you are not a new creation.
It always cracks me up about these men who rant and rail about Christians "sinning" by being entertained by the world's wickedness, on TV, and movies and sports and all the things that this generation strives after...but forgets to include the computer they are using. ::frown::
If the world strives after *anything*, its technology, so you know...how can you be a new creation and preach over the internet, or post or even OWN or borrow a computer? Clearly these men are NOT new creatures in Christ! ::sarcasmalert:
thanks doorknocker for your support. May Jesus bless you [cheez hugs] ^_^)
: MeMyself Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 08:59:57
What these "great" men don't seem to grasp, Cheez, is how far short they fall of God's perfect and Holy glory! On our *best* day, of living for Him, we *still* fall short and need Jesus to be our advocate on high with the Father, who is faithful and just to cleanse us.
they know. But Jesus wants you to "keep trying your best" not to sin without giving up. He is looking for our attitude, our heart, perseverance... Jesus is intelligent you know. He sees through our mind, what's in our deepest heart. And if we keep trying to overcome sins and ask Jesus for help he will use his cool magic to help us overcome our sins. A person truly born again can come close to perfect, or near perfect, to a level where Jesus wants us to be. There is certain level. Jesus said this.
Cheez
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 09:23:47
: MeMyself Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 08:59:57
What these "great" men don't seem to grasp, Cheez, is how far short they fall of God's perfect and Holy glory! On our *best* day, of living for Him, we *still* fall short and need Jesus to be our advocate on high with the Father, who is faithful and just to cleanse us.
they know. But Jesus wants you to "keep trying your best" not to sin without giving up. He is looking for our attitude, our heart, perseverance... Jesus is intelligent you know. He sees through our mind, what's in our deepest heart. And if we keep trying to overcome sins and ask Jesus for help he will use his cool magic to help us overcome our sins. A person truly born again can come close to perfect, or near perfect, to a level where Jesus wants us to be. There is certain level. Jesus said this.
IF we are perfect, its in Jesus perfection that we are made. God sees us clothed in robes of *His* righteous, per scripture.
If our striving and trying were good enough, why did Jesus have to die for us? Our goodness does not cut it, that's why!
And, Jesus doesn't use magic, cool or otherwise. He is GOD, who gave us the Holy Spirit to help us and complete the good work of growing and maturing that He began in us upon salvation.
: MeMyself Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 09:07:58
But if it has not, and you are continuing to live a life after your own desires, and you are continuing to be entertained by this world's wickedness on the TV screens, and the movies, and the sport, and all the things that this generation strives after, then how can you know Jesus? How can he abide in you? Because clearly, you are not a new creation.
It always cracks me up about these men who rant and rail about Christians "sinning" by being entertained by the world's wickedness, on TV, and movies and sports and all the things that this generation strives after...but forgets to include the computer they are using. ::frown::
If the world strives after *anything*, its technology, so you know...how can you be a new creation and preach over the internet, or post or even OWN or borrow a computer? Clearly these men are NOT new creatures in Christ! ::sarcasmalert:
Watching movies and TV shows and sports not only accumulate our sins but they also "take away" time to be with Jesus. They are distractions to keep away from Jesus. Using computer is highly recommended by Jesus Christ because it is a tool for us to learn and spread the words of Gospel. it all depends how we use internet.
Cheez
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 09:35:58
: MeMyself Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 09:07:58
But if it has not, and you are continuing to live a life after your own desires, and you are continuing to be entertained by this world's wickedness on the TV screens, and the movies, and the sport, and all the things that this generation strives after, then how can you know Jesus? How can he abide in you? Because clearly, you are not a new creation.
It always cracks me up about these men who rant and rail about Christians "sinning" by being entertained by the world's wickedness, on TV, and movies and sports and all the things that this generation strives after...but forgets to include the computer they are using. ::frown::
If the world strives after *anything*, its technology, so you know...how can you be a new creation and preach over the internet, or post or even OWN or borrow a computer? Clearly these men are NOT new creatures in Christ! ::sarcasmalert:
Watching movies and TV shows and sports not only accumulate our sins but they also "take away" time to be with Jesus. They are distractions to keep away from Jesus.
Nope. Wrong again. God gives us gifts, and we are to use those to bring Him glory. Being athletic is one way He gifts His children. There is no sin in sports and TV either for that matter. Unless you are also going to condemn, cars, swimming pools, libraries, schools, work, etc etc etc. because all of those "worldly" things keep us from spending time with Jesus. The key is balance and learning how to put Christ first. We are not to live in a bubble...we are to be in the world but not of it. So, our choices of what we watch on TV should be different from the world's, but to straight across the board condemn it and use it to condemn others is.just.plain.wrong! Prideful and sanctimonious as well.
Using computer is highly recommended by Jesus Christ
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl Oh sorry. Ahem. Book, chapter, verse, please? ::eatingpopcorn:
because it is a tool for us to learn and spread the words of Gospel. it all depends how we use internet.
And that gracious rule applies to Television and sports as well. My kids have been in wonderful godly programs that intertwined their athleticism with the Word and applying principles of their game to living out the Word in the real world they live in.
: MeMyself Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 09:27:36
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 09:23:47
: MeMyself Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 08:59:57
What these "great" men don't seem to grasp, Cheez, is how far short they fall of God's perfect and Holy glory! On our *best* day, of living for Him, we *still* fall short and need Jesus to be our advocate on high with the Father, who is faithful and just to cleanse us.
they know. But Jesus wants you to "keep trying your best" not to sin without giving up. He is looking for our attitude, our heart, perseverance... Jesus is intelligent you know. He sees through our mind, what's in our deepest heart. And if we keep trying to overcome sins and ask Jesus for help he will use his cool magic to help us overcome our sins. A person truly born again can come close to perfect, or near perfect, to a level where Jesus wants us to be. There is certain level. Jesus said this.
IF we are perfect, its in Jesus perfection that we are made. God sees us clothed in robes of *His* righteous, per scripture.
If our striving and trying were good enough, why did Jesus have to die for us? Our goodness does not cut it, that's why!
And, Jesus doesn't use magic, cool or otherwise. He is GOD, who gave us the Holy Spirit to help us and complete the good work of growing and maturing that He began in us upon salvation.
We are doomed to begin with. We are in the same cage where trillions of demons live on this earth. We are not perfect because we are in flesh and have demons in our body. Without Jesus we are doomed and will go to hell. Jesus died on the cross to forgive us if we follow him and obey his commands. Jesus doesn't give gift of salvation to everyone that does not follow him. Repentance and obedience is part of the requirement.
Cheez
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 09:44:46
We are doomed to begin with.
Yep.
We are in the same cage where trillions of demons live on this earth.
Nope. Demons are NOT made in the image of God, WE are and have nothing in common with demons.
We are not perfect because we are in flesh and have demons in our body.
I don't know where you get this stuff, Cheez. Yes, demon possession occurs, but it is NOT an across the board, everyone has them thing. We *are* in flesh, that I will grant you, but we are also made in the image of God.
Without Jesus we are doomed and will go to hell.
Yes.
Jesus died on the cross to forgive us if we follow him and obey his commands.
Sort of. The Bible says we are forgiven when we ASK for it, and confess Him as Lord. Obeying is living a godly life and bringing glory to God, which we are called to do, but don't be fooled, our obedience earns us nothing for ourselves. Not salvation, anyway. We obey because it pleases and blesses and glorifies the Father. We are saved because of Christ and what HE did on the cross, not what WE do, ever.
Jesus doesn't give gift of salvation to everyone that does not follow him.
This is just not so. Otherwise, only people that live long lives have any chance at salvation. Otherwise, there is no hope for the one who with their last breath confesses Him as Lord. Otherwise, God is a liar and salvation is one of works.
Repentance and obedience is part of the requirement.
Repentance is what leads us to confessing that Jesus IS and not ourselves. Obedience is NOT a requirement for salvation, but it is a requirement for a healthy walk with God.
In regards to last minute breath thing, Yes Jesus does give this opportunity to turn to him the moment before dying but this is seldom. MeMyself, You really gotta seek Jesus and ask for guidance. Get on knees before him and cry out to him... Give up your life for him and be ready to serve him till death. This is what I am doing.... I want to get raptured. Hope you do the same. I care for you
Cheez
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 10:26:29
In regards to last minute breath thing, Yes Jesus does give this opportunity to turn to him the moment before dying but this is seldom.
How on *earth* can you *possibly* know if that is true?! You *can't*! Neither can I, of course, but I *do* have the Word of God that tells us it is God's will that none should perish...so to me, it makes sense that it would NOT be seldom.
MeMyself, You really gotta seek Jesus and ask for guidance.
What makes you think that I do not do that every day? Is it that I disagree with your posts?
Get on knees before him and cry out to him... Give up your life for him and be ready to serve him till death. This is what I am doing.... I want to get raptured. Hope you do the same. I care for you
If it be God's will that any such thing take place in my lifetime, I have full confidence that I *will* not be left behind...not because of what *I* do (thank *goodness!*), but because of what Christ did for me. The only part I played in my salvation was the accepting of it, confessing Him as Lord and believing with all my heart that God raised Him from the dead. God will rapture and accept me due to that, my works and my walk; whether it brought Him glory will be judged, but I will still be saved. (1 Corinthians 3:14-15 14If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.)
: MeMyself Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 09:07:58
But if it has not, and you are continuing to live a life after your own desires, and you are continuing to be entertained by this world's wickedness on the TV screens, and the movies, and the sport, and all the things that this generation strives after, then how can you know Jesus? How can he abide in you? Because clearly, you are not a new creation.
It always cracks me up about these men who rant and rail about Christians "sinning" by being entertained by the world's wickedness, on TV, and movies and sports and all the things that this generation strives after...but forgets to include the computer they are using. ::frown::
If the world strives after *anything*, its technology, so you know...how can you be a new creation and preach over the internet, or post or even OWN or borrow a computer? Clearly these men are NOT new creatures in Christ! ::sarcasmalert:
VERY good point,in fact what you can find on a computer is far far worse than what is on TV. I am not sure why sport is a problem anyway, I think that sport is a good and beneficial thing, both to do and to watch, especially with the levels of obesity today. ::shrug:: Also the Christian sports men and women that we have are such a great witness to others, especially the young. I guess you can see evil in just about anything if you are that way inclined. ::frown::
: Cheez Wed Jul 22, 2015 - 14:38:44
Another good word of the day by Mr Boshoff.
Never in history has there been as many printed Bibles in the world. Never before in history have as many people been literate. The Bible is available everywhere, on the internet. There are many Bible EXPERTS in this world but there are very few people who know Jesus Christ. The world has no knowledge of God because they don't know Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ Himself is the WAY. If you don't KNOW Jesus and you don't FOLLOW Him, you are LOST. You might be a Bible Expert but Jesus said:"My sheep LISTEN to My VOICE and they FOLLOW Me." The world does not know right from wrong, they don't even know to blush, they have no shame. Christians are living in sin and wickedness and they don't even blush. They don't have Jesus Christ and they don't have the Holy Spirit. Many of them quote the Bible and they will tell you they have salvation but they are LOST in their SIN and they will PERISH because they don't KNOW Jesus Christ. If we OBEY Jesus Christ, DO as He commanded as is also recorded in the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, if we REPENT and turn away from our evil ways and accept Jesus Christ, be baptized in water and seek HIM, seek the Holy Spirit INFILLING, then we will find Him. Without the Holy Spirit guiding you, you are LOST. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. If you don't have the Holy Spirit and if you do not follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit you are LOST with your Bible. Jesus Christ is the LIVING GOD and He guides each and every disciple bu His Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him and you will PERISH. There are many Bible Experts in this world but very little knowledge of God and that is why they SIN and they will perish in their sin if they do not REPENT and seek Jesus Christ. If you do not get to know Jesus Christ and follow and obey Him you will PERISH in your sins WITH your Bible. Seek Jesus NOW while you can before it is TOO LATE, FOLLOW and OBEY Him or you will certainly perish. May Jesus bless you.
I say ::amen:: to this message, regardless of who the messenger is.
Cheez hugs MeMyself ^_^)
Here is today's sermon by Mr Boshoff.
The only way to have SALVATION, eternal life, is to OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. What is the gospel of Jesus Christ? REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED and then He will FILL YOU with the Holy Spirit and His Holy Spirit will GUIDE and TEACH you. You will come into FELLOWSHIP with Jesus Christ, you will KNOW Him for REAL and IF you follow Him until the very end you will have eternal life. The gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT about EDUCATION, not about Bible knowledge and church, and religion. It is about OBEDIENCE to Jesus Christ. You have to OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. The only way that you get to KNOW Jesus Christ is if you REPENT. If you go on your knees and you cry out to Jesus and you REPENT of your sins, you PLEAD His FORGIVENESS with REMORSE AND WITH THE INTENTION of NEVER GOING BACK TO THAT SIN EVER AGAIN or else He will not forgive you, or else He will NOT HEAR YOU. He will not LISTEN to you if you are not serious, if you do not intend turning away from your previous lifestyle, from sin and from seeking your own ways and if you are not serious about following Him and living to please Him until the end of your life He will not HEAR you, He will not answer your prayer. And then you have to be baptized in water for the washing off of your sin and He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit. He will give His Spirit in you to GUIDE and TEACH you. You do not need EDUCATION. He will tell you everything that you need to know because He will be IN you and WITH you and He will guide you. But most people do not know Jesus Christ. Most believers never repented. They never OBEYED Him and that is why they do not KNOW Him. Salvation is about OBEDIENCE to the gospel of Jesus Christ. REPENT and BE BAPTIZED in water and He will FILL you with the Holy Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him and you cannot follow Him. If you have not received the Holy Spirit you cannot follow Him. You have to first OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. REPENT and BE BAPTIZED, BE SERIOUS about following Jesus. If you are still in sin you are LOST. If you are still practicing sin then you are a son of the devil. If you are not LED by the Spirit of God you are not a child of God, you are a son of satan. There is only one way to have SALVATION and that is to FOLLOW Jesus Christ, you have to OBEY Him, deny yourself, pick up your cross every day and follow Him but you cannot follow Him if you do not HEAR His VOICE. If you have not received the Holy Spirit. FIRST obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, REPENT and BE BAPTIZED and He will FILL you with His Holy Spirit and He will guide you by His Spirit. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ will guide you and will teach you all things but you do not have the Holy Spirit you do not belong to Jesus Christ and you are LOST. Seek Jesus NOW, OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ, REPENT and BE BAPTIZED and be filled with the Holy Spirit and then only can you follow Jesus Christ. Follow Him until the very, very end or you will perish. May Jesus bless you.
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 10:26:29
In regards to last minute breath thing, Yes Jesus does give this opportunity to turn to him the moment before dying but this is seldom. MeMyself, You really gotta seek Jesus and ask for guidance. Get on knees before him and cry out to him... Give up your life for him and be ready to serve him till death. This is what I am doing.... I want to get raptured. Hope you do the same. I care for you
Cheez
She is one of the most godly ladies I know, so no need to preach to her. ::frown::
IT sounds to me as if you are living in fear of not being raptured, and striving by your own efforts to make sure you are. How about you trust Jesus, and in what HE has done for you instead, its the only way you will get there. ::eek::
: Cheez Wed Jul 22, 2015 - 15:06:21
Here is a good word of the day by Andy (WarningThePeople) ^_^)
Contrary to the common Christian teaching, faith and belief alone in Jesus WILL NOT SAVE YOU. Christians will quote all kinds of verses to prove to you that if you JUST BELIEVE you will be saved. They will quote Paul and Silas in Acts chapter 16 when they said to the jailer, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved..." Or they quote John 3:16 that you must believe in Jesus and you will be saved... But see they TWIST the words of the Scripture and to their OWN demise, because TRUE belief in Jesus is TOTAL obedience and surrender, it is NOT just believing things ABOUT Jesus, but is a TOTAL life CHANGE. These Christians of today ARE IN SIN and they refuse to really repent. IF they repented they would be saved, but they are NOT repenting of their sins. They say; "Well we have repented..." THEY HAVE NOT REPENTED because THEY ARE STILL SINNING. Are YOU like the Christians that are still sinning, believing that you are saved because you think you believe in Jesus? Or have you TRULY repented? Is your faith in JESUS and are you PROVING it by your action? Because without actions, without WORKS, you don't REALLY have ANY faith at all. DO you REALLY love Jesus with your ACTIONS? Or are you like the FAKE Christians who DON'T REALLY love Jesus? May the grace of Jesus be with you.
Cheez
::amen:: to this message as well
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:06:33
Cheez hugs MeMyself ^_^)
Here is today's sermon by Mr Boshoff.
The only way to have SALVATION, eternal life, is to OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. What is the gospel of Jesus Christ? REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED and then He will FILL YOU with the Holy Spirit and His Holy Spirit will GUIDE and TEACH you. You will come into FELLOWSHIP with Jesus Christ, you will KNOW Him for REAL and IF you follow Him until the very end you will have eternal life. The gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT about EDUCATION, not about Bible knowledge and church, and religion. It is about OBEDIENCE to Jesus Christ. You have to OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. The only way that you get to KNOW Jesus Christ is if you REPENT. If you go on your knees and you cry out to Jesus and you REPENT of your sins, you PLEAD His FORGIVENESS with REMORSE AND WITH THE INTENTION of NEVER GOING BACK TO THAT SIN EVER AGAIN or else He will not forgive you, or else He will NOT HEAR YOU. He will not LISTEN to you if you are not serious, if you do not intend turning away from your previous lifestyle, from sin and from seeking your own ways and if you are not serious about following Him and living to please Him until the end of your life He will not HEAR you, He will not answer your prayer. And then you have to be baptized in water for the washing of of your sin and He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit. He will give His Spirit in you to GUIDE and TEACH you. You do not need EDUCATION. He will tell you everything that you need to know because He will be IN you and WITH you and He will guide you. But most people do not know Jesus Christ. Most believers never repented. They never OBEYED Him and that is why they do not KNOW Him. Salvation is about OBEDIENCE to the gospel of Jesus Christ. REPENT and BE BAPTIZED in water and He will FILL you with the Holy Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him and you cannot follow Him. If you have not received the Holy Spirit you cannot follow Him. You have to first OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. REPENT and BE BAPTIZED, BE SERIOUS about following Jesus. If you are still in sin you are LOST. If you are still practicing sin then you are a son of the devil. If you are not LED by the Spirit of God you are not a child of God, you are a son of satan. There is only one way to have SALVATION and that is to FOLLOW Jesus Christ, you have to OBEY Him, deny yourself, pick up your cross every day and follow Him but you cannot follow Him if you do not HEAR His VOICE. If you have not received the Holy Spirit. FIRST obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, REPENT and BE BAPTIZED and He will FILL you with His Holy Spirit and He will guide you by His Spirit. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ will guide you and will teach you all things but you do not have the Holy Spirit you do not belong to Jesus Christ and you are LOST. Seek Jesus NOW, OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ, REPENT and BE BAPTIZED and be filled with the Holy Spirit and then only can you follow Jesus Christ. Follow Him until the very, very end or you will perish. May Jesus bless you.
So are you perfect? If not you will not get to be with Him unless you are looking to Him for complete forgiveness and salvation.
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 10:26:29
In regards to last minute breath thing, Yes Jesus does give this opportunity to turn to him the moment before dying but this is seldom. MeMyself, You really gotta seek Jesus and ask for guidance. Get on knees before him and cry out to him... Give up your life for him and be ready to serve him till death. This is what I am doing.... I want to get raptured. Hope you do the same. I care for you
Cheez
I think its far more common that you think, there is no way you can possible declare that its seldom.
: Cheez Thu Jul 23, 2015 - 07:30:45
Here is a good teaching session by Jan Boshoff. This will be very helpful for many to get prepared for the destruction to come shortly. Get yourself some coffee and read this.... It's Jesus' will. He wants us to read it.
There is only one way to have salvation and that is the way of DISCIPLESHIP, following Jesus Christ. There is only one way that we can follow Jesus Christ and that is to be LED by the Holy Spirit. Most believers do not have the Holy Spirit, they do not know what discipleship is all about. it will COST you to follow Jesus Christ. The COST is very high and Jesus said that if we WISH to follow Him we must DENY OURSELVES, PICK UP OUR cross and FOLLOW Him. Most believers do not know what that means and I want to explain that today. We read in Luke chapter 9 "23And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. 24"For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it. 25"For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself? 26"For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels." We have to DENY OURSELVES. What does it mean to DENY YOURSELF? It means to REPENT, REPENT, TURN AWAY, DISREGARD and REFRAIN from satisfying our own DESIRES, NEEDS, PLEASURES, ASPIRATIONS and PLANS. You ABANDON your own desires, that which you LIKE. You give it up and then you have to go after Jesus Christ. Jesus said that you have to PICK UP YOUR CROSS. what is that CROSS? The cross is the COMMANDMENTS of Jesus Christ, His WORDS, that which He spoke. That was also recorded in the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Those are the words of eternal life and we have to OBEY them if we want to have eternal life. Before we can follow Jesus Christ we have to obey those words. That is the CROSS, because as soon as you start obeying the words of Jesus, if you REPENT, turn away from sin, turn away from the things of the world and live according to the words of Jesus then you will be REJECTED. You will be PERSECUTED, you will be SLANDERED, you will be EX-COMMUNICATED. The world will REJECT you, family will reject you, you might lose your job, you might lose your spouse. Your children might reject you, you will end up ALONE. And if you keep on obeying Jesus, doing as He commanded, you will end up alone, carrying your cross. Obeying the words of Jesus Christ and doing as he commanded , that is the cross that we will bear. If we disregard His words and disobey Him then we are not suitable for His kingdom, we cannot follow Him. Many refuse to be baptized in water because if they are baptized in water people will reject them. They rather treasure the acceptance of people than the acceptance of God and therefor they cannot follow Jesus. They are not willing to pick up their cross every day and follow Jesus Christ in spite of rejection, in spite of difficulty, in spite of persecution. They don't want the cross. They are not willing to give up the things of the world , they are not willing to bear the cross. If we make up our mind to follow Jesus Christ and we deny ourselves, we OBEY His words, REPENT and are baptized in water then only can we follow Him BUT we can only follow Jesus Christ if we are LED by the Holy Spirit. If we do not have the Holy Spirit we cannot follow Jesus Christ. You cannot follow Jesus from reading the Bible. You cannot follow Him form being religious, going to church, being in fellowship with other Christians. You have to be in fellowship with Jesus Christ. You need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit and then follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit every day. You have to stay with Jesus , stay tuned in, listen to the Holy Spirit and He will teach and guide you. He will send you, He will use you. Jesus has called each and every one of us for a purpose in His kingdom and the only way that we can fulfill that purpose is if we are led by the Holy Spirit every day. There is no TIME OUT. You cannot stop following Jesus Christ for a day or two and then go back. You have to follow Him every day until the very end. That is the road of discipleship. The apostle Paul wrote in Romans chapter 8:14 "Those who are being led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God," the children of God. If we are not led by the Spirit of God then we are not the children of God, we are not the sons of God. We can only follow Jesus Christ if we have His Spirit and if we LISTEN, FOLLOW and OBEY Him. We have to make SPACE for His Spirit. That is why we have to DENY ourselves, we have to deny ourselves our own plans, deny ourselves watching TV, playing sports, doing the things that the world do and OPEN our hearts for Jesus, invite Him in, WAIT on Him, SEEK Him, PRAY and ask Him to FILL us with His Spirit so that we can be in FELLOWSHIP, in RELATIONSHIP with Him and that we can follow Him, and DO His will. Many people say they have been asking for the baptism in the Holy Spirit and they are not receiving it. It is because they are not seeking. It is because they are not SERIOUS. We have to EARNESTLY SEEK the infilling with the Holy Spirit even if it means that you have got to FAST and PRAY and WAIT on the Lord to FILL you. Many believers do not know what the purpose is of fasting. After our Lord Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, He was led into the desert by the Holy Spirit, where He fasted for forty days, He was without food and after that the devil came and tempted Him but He overcame satan. The purpose of FASTING, going without food for some time, to pray is do deprive yourself of sensual and physical pleasures and to focus on Jesus. As the physical is weakened the spiritual inner man that is normally suppressed and smothered is allowed to surface and you become spiritually awake, your spirit is released and becomes open to the Holy Spirit. While you are fasting you have to get your focus on Jesus Christ and PRAY because as your body is weakened and your spirit becomes awakened you will be attacked by evil spirits also, by demons, like Jesus was attacked by the devil. You have to keep your mind and your spirit focused on Jesus Christ and OPEN yourself to Him. You have to fight off the evil spirits. The first three days you will become hungry and you will want to eat. After three days the hunger pains will leave you and you will be able to stay without food much easier, but keep on using water. It is possible to fast on water for forty days as Jesus Christ did. And after that the devil tempted Him but He overcame satan. He was filled with the Holy Spirit and then His ministry started. If we follow Jesus Christ we need to be filled with the Holy Spirit and the POWER of God. We need to to be RECEPTIVE to the Holy Spirit. We need to KNOW His VOICE and FOLLOW Him. If we have not received the Holy Spirit and we have not learned to HEAR His VOICE, to LISTEN, to OBEY, to FOLLOW then we cannot follow Jesus Christ. We need to be FILLED with the HOLY SPIRIT. We have to overcome our own flesh, we have to overcome the attacks of the devil. That is why most Christians cannot stop sinning. They have never FOUGHT the devil and overcome. They are still battling with sin and they are not led by the Holy Spirit because they do not have the Spirit of Christ IN them. We have to be FILLED with the Holy Spirit, we have to be taught by the Holy Spirit and led by the Holy Spirit to do the works of God, to fulfill the task for which Jesus Christ has called us and if we do not have the Holy Spirit and do not submit ourselves to Him daily, pick up our cross and follow Jesus Christ, PRAY, LISTEN, OBEY and DO what He commands us to do then we are NOT suitable for the kingdom of heaven, we are not useful, we cannot bear fruit for the kingdom of God if we are not LED by the Spirit of God. We cannot go out on our own and work for God. We can only work for the kingdom of God if we are led by the Spirit of God, if we FOLLOW and OBEY Jesus Christ every day. Very few Christians follow Jesus Christ. Very few are disciples because most Christians have never received the Holy Spirit and even those who did receive the Holy Spirit do not follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is through our relationship with Jesus Christ, being LED by the Holy Spirit every day, that we gain WISDOM and UNDERSTANDING, that He TEACHES us and GUIDES us and we become part of His kingdom because we SERVE Him. Jesus Christ requires DISCIPLESHIP. There is no other way to follow Him but to be a DISCIPLE who is LED by the Holy Spirit. Have you become a DISCIPLE of Jesus Christ? May Jesus bless you.
I disagree with some of the tone of this post. Yes, on the whole it is necessary to be that disciple of Christ as described in this post. But the tone is one that suggests that if we fail, we don't have the Holy Spirit. That is not true. The Holy Spirit is who enables us to succeed, but we are still weak vessels prone to fail at times. Suggesting otherwise, as this message implies, sets up an impossibly high standard that will lead to discouragement ultimately for those people who take it for face value.
Jesus makes up for our lack. The message should include that, even should we fail, we still can repent and continue to strive.
Also I would note that the whole purpose of doing the above should be based on our love for the Lord, and not simply being obedient to the Lord. "If you love me, keep my commands". Love comes first, then obedience.
: chosenone Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:09:37
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:06:33
Cheez hugs MeMyself ^_^)
Here is today's sermon by Mr Boshoff.
The only way to have SALVATION, eternal life, is to OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. What is the gospel of Jesus Christ? REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED and then He will FILL YOU with the Holy Spirit and His Holy Spirit will GUIDE and TEACH you. You will come into FELLOWSHIP with Jesus Christ, you will KNOW Him for REAL and IF you follow Him until the very end you will have eternal life. The gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT about EDUCATION, not about Bible knowledge and church, and religion. It is about OBEDIENCE to Jesus Christ. You have to OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. The only way that you get to KNOW Jesus Christ is if you REPENT. If you go on your knees and you cry out to Jesus and you REPENT of your sins, you PLEAD His FORGIVENESS with REMORSE AND WITH THE INTENTION of NEVER GOING BACK TO THAT SIN EVER AGAIN or else He will not forgive you, or else He will NOT HEAR YOU. He will not LISTEN to you if you are not serious, if you do not intend turning away from your previous lifestyle, from sin and from seeking your own ways and if you are not serious about following Him and living to please Him until the end of your life He will not HEAR you, He will not answer your prayer. And then you have to be baptized in water for the washing of of your sin and He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit. He will give His Spirit in you to GUIDE and TEACH you. You do not need EDUCATION. He will tell you everything that you need to know because He will be IN you and WITH you and He will guide you. But most people do not know Jesus Christ. Most believers never repented. They never OBEYED Him and that is why they do not KNOW Him. Salvation is about OBEDIENCE to the gospel of Jesus Christ. REPENT and BE BAPTIZED in water and He will FILL you with the Holy Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him and you cannot follow Him. If you have not received the Holy Spirit you cannot follow Him. You have to first OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. REPENT and BE BAPTIZED, BE SERIOUS about following Jesus. If you are still in sin you are LOST. If you are still practicing sin then you are a son of the devil. If you are not LED by the Spirit of God you are not a child of God, you are a son of satan. There is only one way to have SALVATION and that is to FOLLOW Jesus Christ, you have to OBEY Him, deny yourself, pick up your cross every day and follow Him but you cannot follow Him if you do not HEAR His VOICE. If you have not received the Holy Spirit. FIRST obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, REPENT and BE BAPTIZED and He will FILL you with His Holy Spirit and He will guide you by His Spirit. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ will guide you and will teach you all things but you do not have the Holy Spirit you do not belong to Jesus Christ and you are LOST. Seek Jesus NOW, OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ, REPENT and BE BAPTIZED and be filled with the Holy Spirit and then only can you follow Jesus Christ. Follow Him until the very, very end or you will perish. May Jesus bless you.
So are you perfect? If not you will not get to be with Him unless you are looking to Him for complete forgiveness and salvation.
No I am not perfect, but have gotten tremendously better than before I was born again. Jesus says we have to be born again like a child or we will not be able to enter heaven. I am trying to walk with Jesus. ^_^)
: chosenone Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:12:07
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 10:26:29
In regards to last minute breath thing, Yes Jesus does give this opportunity to turn to him the moment before dying but this is seldom. MeMyself, You really gotta seek Jesus and ask for guidance. Get on knees before him and cry out to him... Give up your life for him and be ready to serve him till death. This is what I am doing.... I want to get raptured. Hope you do the same. I care for you.
Cheez
I think its far more common that you think, there is no way you can possible declare that its seldom.
It wasn't my idea or opinion. This message was from Jesus himself. I'm just passing along information and trying to do good deed by spreading the words of Gospel.
Catholica, in response to your disagreement about Mr Boshoff's claim, you misunderstood him. What he was saying is that most Professing Christians do not seek and obey Jesus therefore they are not guided by the Holy Spirit. If they are led by the Holy Spirit they would be doing Jesus' will. If you watch more of his videos you will get to know more about him and understand. I think you seem to be in right track with the Lord. Cheez pats on Catholica's back. ^_^)
Cheez
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:35:07
It wasn't my idea or opinion. This message was from Jesus himself.
When? Where? I don't remember reading Him saying anything like that in the Word of God.
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:31:25
: chosenone Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:09:37
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:06:33
Cheez hugs MeMyself ^_^)
Here is today's sermon by Mr Boshoff.
The only way to have SALVATION, eternal life, is to OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. What is the gospel of Jesus Christ? REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED and then He will FILL YOU with the Holy Spirit and His Holy Spirit will GUIDE and TEACH you. You will come into FELLOWSHIP with Jesus Christ, you will KNOW Him for REAL and IF you follow Him until the very end you will have eternal life. The gospel of Jesus Christ is NOT about EDUCATION, not about Bible knowledge and church, and religion. It is about OBEDIENCE to Jesus Christ. You have to OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. The only way that you get to KNOW Jesus Christ is if you REPENT. If you go on your knees and you cry out to Jesus and you REPENT of your sins, you PLEAD His FORGIVENESS with REMORSE AND WITH THE INTENTION of NEVER GOING BACK TO THAT SIN EVER AGAIN or else He will not forgive you, or else He will NOT HEAR YOU. He will not LISTEN to you if you are not serious, if you do not intend turning away from your previous lifestyle, from sin and from seeking your own ways and if you are not serious about following Him and living to please Him until the end of your life He will not HEAR you, He will not answer your prayer. And then you have to be baptized in water for the washing of of your sin and He will baptize you in the Holy Spirit. He will give His Spirit in you to GUIDE and TEACH you. You do not need EDUCATION. He will tell you everything that you need to know because He will be IN you and WITH you and He will guide you. But most people do not know Jesus Christ. Most believers never repented. They never OBEYED Him and that is why they do not KNOW Him. Salvation is about OBEDIENCE to the gospel of Jesus Christ. REPENT and BE BAPTIZED in water and He will FILL you with the Holy Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him and you cannot follow Him. If you have not received the Holy Spirit you cannot follow Him. You have to first OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ. REPENT and BE BAPTIZED, BE SERIOUS about following Jesus. If you are still in sin you are LOST. If you are still practicing sin then you are a son of the devil. If you are not LED by the Spirit of God you are not a child of God, you are a son of satan. There is only one way to have SALVATION and that is to FOLLOW Jesus Christ, you have to OBEY Him, deny yourself, pick up your cross every day and follow Him but you cannot follow Him if you do not HEAR His VOICE. If you have not received the Holy Spirit. FIRST obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, REPENT and BE BAPTIZED and He will FILL you with His Holy Spirit and He will guide you by His Spirit. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ will guide you and will teach you all things but you do not have the Holy Spirit you do not belong to Jesus Christ and you are LOST. Seek Jesus NOW, OBEY the gospel of Jesus Christ, REPENT and BE BAPTIZED and be filled with the Holy Spirit and then only can you follow Jesus Christ. Follow Him until the very, very end or you will perish. May Jesus bless you.
So are you perfect? If not you will not get to be with Him unless you are looking to Him for complete forgiveness and salvation.
No I am not perfect, but have gotten tremendously better than before I was born again. Jesus says we have to be born again like a child or we will not be able to enter heaven. I am trying to walk with Jesus. ^_^)
yes we know that, we are born again as His children. Its not what YOU do that will save you, its what HE has already done for us.
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:35:07
: chosenone Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:12:07
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 10:26:29
In regards to last minute breath thing, Yes Jesus does give this opportunity to turn to him the moment before dying but this is seldom. MeMyself, You really gotta seek Jesus and ask for guidance. Get on knees before him and cry out to him... Give up your life for him and be ready to serve him till death. This is what I am doing.... I want to get raptured. Hope you do the same. I care for you.
Cheez
I think its far more common that you think, there is no way you can possible declare that its seldom.
It wasn't my idea or opinion. This message was from Jesus himself. I'm just passing along information and trying to do good deed by spreading the words of Gospel.
Where does Jesus say that not many will be saved in their last days? IF you are keen to spread the word, then may I suggest you do that to those who dont yet know Him?
: MeMyself Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 13:27:26
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:35:07
It wasn't my idea or opinion. This message was from Jesus himself.
When? Where? I don't remember reading Him saying anything like that in the Word of God.
Jesus said it to one of his sheep (lady Clare (Still Small Voice)).
Bible book isn't evil but leads many misled...especially those that are not led by the Holy Spirit. Also I said this before but the bible only contains less than 3% of the gospel. The remaining of 97% can be had by direct coaching from Jesus. Even the bible book said it. I am serious guys we gotta seek Jesus and listen to his voice and follow him. That is the only way to heaven (even better, Rapture).
Here is today's word from Mr Boshoff ^_^)
Many Christian believers put their hope for salvation in the WORKS that they do, for the CHURCH and as they call it, for the "Kingdom of God." Many give vast sums of money to the church and they support the CHURCH, they support EVANGELISM, they support PREACHERS. Many are preachers themselves that are building vast MINISTRIES but they are busy with DEAD WORKS because they are not LED by the Holy Spirit, they are not IN CHRIST, they are not living in holiness and righteousness in obedience to Jesus Christ. We can only bear FRUIT and do GOOD WORKS if we are IN CHRIST and we are LED BY the Holy Spirit. We read the words of Jesus in John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vine dresser. 2"Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3"You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4"Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it ABIDES IN THE VINE, so neither can you UNLESS YOU ABIDE IN ME. 5"I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for APART FROM ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING. 6"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned." Many people do marvelous works FOR GOD but they are not IN CHRIST, they are not being LED by the Holy Spirit. That which is of the flesh is flesh as Jesus also said and I read from John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." If our inspiration and our GUIDANCE does not come from the Holy Spirit, if we are not led by the Holy Spirit then we are performing DEAD WORKS that are not pleasing to God, they are worthless to the kingdom of God. We read the words of Paul in Romans 8:13,14 "for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God." Many preachers, many churches, many people have great initiatives but they are of the flesh, they are of their OWN MIND, they are not LED by the Spirit of God. They build GREAT CHURCHES and they have GREAT MINISTRIES but they are not part of the kingdom of God because they do not have the Holy Spirit and they are not LED by the Holy Spirit, they are performing DEAD WORKS. All our works are tested by the FIRE OF GOD. If our works are unfruitful DEAD WORKS then we will get CUT OFF and BURNED as Jesus said. Every branch in Him that does not bear fruit Many people put their hope in the words of Paul as written in 1 Corinthians 3:14 "If any man's work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." That is not what Jesus said, that is what Paul said. Jesus said that if we do not bear GOOD FRUIT we will get CUT OFF and BURNED. Many believers have received Gifts of the Holy Spirit and they think that the gifts that they received from God are a GUARANTEE OF SALVATION. It is NOT. God never takes back His gifts. There are many people who speak in tongues and they live in sin. There are many who perform miracles in the Name of Jesus, they preach and they have great ministries but they are living in unrighteousness and in wickedness. They are building their own empires and they are committing DEAD WORKS because they are not following Jesus Christ. They are using the gifts of Christ to benefit and enrich themselves and that is why many big preachers will be terribly disappointed when they stand before Jesus Christ. I read from Matthew 7:22. Jesus said:21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22"Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' They were GREAT PREACHERS, they were regarded as men and women of God and Jesus says to them:"Go away I never knew you." Why is that? They were using God's gifts and the gospel of Jesus Christ to enrich themselves, they were performing DEAD WORKS. They were not leading souls to Christ, they were performing DEAD WORKS that lead to DEATH. If we are not LED by the Holy Spirit. if we do not STAY WITH Jesus Christ and live closely to Him in RIGHTEOUSNESS, Holiness and in OBEDIENCE and if we do not do the works that He GUIDES us into, that He TELLS us to do we cannot serve the kingdom of God and we will perish, WE will BURN together with our DEAD WORKS. Are we being led by the Holy Spirit, doing the WILL of GOD or are we performing DEAD WORKS because the works that we do are of our own flesh, of our own initiative, MY IDEA, MY PLAN that I am doing for God? If we do not SUBMIT ourselves to Jesus Christ and follow Him as DISCIPLES to do what He guides and commands us to do then we are performing DEAD WORKS that will PERISH and we ourselves will also perish. We have to FOLLOW Jesus Christ, STEP BY STEP and DO the WORKS that He has prepared for us to do. May Jesus bless you.
Here is another one from Andy (WarningThePeople)
Some people have asked why there are not miracles done today like the miracles that were done in the times of Jesus in the times of the Bible, and in the times of the prophets. They suppose that the miracles ceased and that all we are left with today is "faith" and the Bible. I want to tell you though that GOD has NOT changed. What has changed is PEOPLE'S HEARTS. And the reason MOST do NOT see miracles from GOD is they are NOT seeking GOD. Jesus could do no miracles in Nazareth when He would preach there BECAUSE OF PEOPLE'S UNBELIEF. You can read about this in Mark 6:1- 6 When people refuse to believe in the true GOD, they just see the things that THEY want to see in the flesh, but those who call on the name of JESUS and make HIM their GOD, THEY will see the wonders of God, they will see His miracles and His POWER. I have seen the wonders and the power of GOD at work TODAY and NOTHING has changed from the times of Bible times to today, in regards to THE LIVING GOD. HE IS ALIVE TODAY, He was alive then and He rules and reigns FOREVER, HE IS NOT CHANGED, people are who have changed, their hearts are turning against GOD. How about yours? May the grace of Jesus be with you.
: Cheez Sun Jul 26, 2015 - 10:14:22
: MeMyself Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 13:27:26
: Cheez Fri Jul 24, 2015 - 12:35:07
It wasn't my idea or opinion. This message was from Jesus himself.
When? Where? I don't remember reading Him saying anything like that in the Word of God.
Jesus said it to one of his sheep (lady Clare (Still Small Voice)).
*She* said so, so therefore it is true? Who is Lady Clare anyway?
Bible book isn't evil but leads many misled...
No, it does not. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
It does NOT lead many to be mislead. It IS *the* Word of God!
especially those that are not led by the Holy Spirit
According to whom?
Also I said this before but the bible only contains less than 3% of the gospel. The remaining of 97% can be had by direct coaching from Jesus. Even the bible book said it.
Show me where, please. The part that it tells us that it contains less than 3% of the gospel.
Wouldn't direct coaching from Jesus make this Jan and Lady Clare obsolete? The Holy Spirit is for each of us individually and is capable of "directly" coaching each one of us.
I am serious guys we gotta seek Jesus and listen to his voice and follow him. That is the only way to heaven (even better, Rapture).
Its best to listen to His Voice from His Word..not the voice of man claiming "Thus saith the Lord, listen to *me*, fear the written Word, it leads many astray." HUGE red flag, Cheez. I wish you saw it!
Pretty lady, Clare is one of the sheep I told you already. Jesus says his sheep listen to his voice and follow him. This is scriptural too. If you truly seek Jesus he will lead you to right people (brides/disciples/prophets). Jesus does that to people who can't directly hear from him. Jesus' teaching is amazing and incredibly powerful. Just relying on bible book doesn't save people, they have to be led by the Holy Spirit and continue receive teaching from Jesus and follow his instruction. This is like a new job. The assignment is given everyday every moment.
As for bible book being 3% gospel it's in bible somewhere... i don't remember ::baby:: what's important is that it is the truth.
: Cheez Sun Jul 26, 2015 - 13:11:49
Pretty lady, Clare is one of the sheep I told you already. Jesus says his sheep listen to his voice and follow him. This is scriptural too. If you truly seek Jesus he will lead you to right people (brides/disciples/prophets). Jesus does that to people who can't directly hear from him. Jesus' teaching is amazing and incredibly powerful. Just relying on bible book doesn't save people, they have to be led by the Holy Spirit and continue receive teaching from Jesus and follow his instruction. This is like a new job. The assignment is given everyday every moment.
As for bible book being 3% gospel it's in bible somewhere... i don't remember ::baby:: what's important is that it is the truth.
You dont know where it is because it isnt in there. Its not true.
Nothing God says or does will contradict the Bible, and as for 'Lady clare', I think we are ok without her teaching thanks, who ever she is. ::shrug:: Never rely on another person, stick to the Bible.
: Cheez Sun Jul 26, 2015 - 13:11:49
Pretty lady, Clare is one of the sheep I told you already. Jesus says his sheep listen to his voice and follow him. This is scriptural too. If you truly seek Jesus he will lead you to right people (brides/disciples/prophets).
I am a sheep of Jesus as well, so if I said that Jesus told me something for you, you would take that as if gospel?
As for bible book being 3% gospel it's in bible somewhere... i don't remember ::baby:: what's important is that it is the truth.
For it to be truth, it has to be backed up by the written Word. I suggest you find it before you tell others its truth.
: chosenone Sun Jul 26, 2015 - 13:40:32
Nothing God says or does will contradict the Bible,
Never rely on another person, stick to the Bible.
::amen!:: ::amen!:: ::amen!:: ::amen!:: aaaaand ::amen!::
??? That isnt true , but Jan doesnt believe the Bible is ALL God inspired , he says some is , but not all
Neither do I that doesnt make one a false prophet just means we dont have to please man nor agree with him, only God.
in all His Love
Quote from: Cheez on July 22, 2015, 01:38:44 PM
Another good word of the day by Mr Boshoff.
Never in history has there been as many printed Bibles in the world. Never before in history have as many people been literate. The Bible is available everywhere, on the internet. There are many Bible EXPERTS in this world but there are very few people who know Jesus Christ. The world has no knowledge of God because they don't know Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ Himself is the WAY. If you don't KNOW Jesus and you don't FOLLOW Him, you are LOST. You might be a Bible Expert but Jesus said:"My sheep LISTEN to My VOICE and they FOLLOW Me." The world does not know right from wrong, they don't even know to blush, they have no shame. Christians are living in sin and wickedness and they don't even blush. They don't have Jesus Christ and they don't have the Holy Spirit. Many of them quote the Bible and they will tell you they have salvation but they are LOST in their SIN and they will PERISH because they don't KNOW Jesus Christ. If we OBEY Jesus Christ, DO as He commanded as is also recorded in the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, if we REPENT and turn away from our evil ways and accept Jesus Christ, be baptized in water and seek HIM, seek the Holy Spirit INFILLING, then we will find Him. Without the Holy Spirit guiding you, you are LOST. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. If you don't have the Holy Spirit and if you do not follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit you are LOST with your Bible. Jesus Christ is the LIVING GOD and He guides each and every disciple bu His Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him and you will PERISH. There are many Bible Experts in this world but very little knowledge of God and that is why they SIN and they will perish in their sin if they do not REPENT and seek Jesus Christ. If you do not get to know Jesus Christ and follow and obey Him you will PERISH in your sins WITH your Bible. Seek Jesus NOW while you can before it is TOO LATE, FOLLOW and OBEY Him or you will certainly perish. May Jesus bless you.
I say ::amen:: to this message, regardless of who the messenger is.
Me too
If Jan doesnt believe that the whole Bible is inspired by God then he is deceived and open to all sort of evil deception.
If Jan doesnt believe that the whole Bible is inspired by God then he is deceived and open to all sort of evil deception.
Most christians think the whole bible is inspired by God and are deceived and open to all sort of evil deception.
God never once ever said teh "bible" was teh word of God read it. Jesus said all scripture, what is scripture, anything man "THINKS" is holy and from God, teh Koran is considered scripture as it is believed to be holy. If teh bible was holy you would die when you touched it because of your sinfuill nature.
I will have no other Gods before Me, i can think of one that many christians have.
In all His Love
: mjrhealth Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 05:08:51
If Jan doesnt believe that the whole Bible is inspired by God then he is deceived and open to all sort of evil deception.
Most christians think the whole bible is inspired by God and are deceived and open to all sort of evil deception.
God never once ever said teh "bible" was teh word of God read it. Jesus said all scripture, what is scripture, anything man "THINKS" is holy and from God, teh Koran is considered scripture as it is believed to be holy. If teh bible was holy you would die when you touched it because of your sinfuill nature.
I will have no other Gods before Me, i can think of one that many christians have.
In all His Love
You have your own personal ideology here, the Bible
is the inspired word of God and the primary source for seeking His voice. Putting the Bible aside in hopes of gaining further relationship with God has led more people astray than has elevated them, which is evident in the off track sects and cults we have today.
Seek the Lord through His word and listen for His voice, rinse and repeat.
Why would we even begin to consider the pages of Qur'an holy to followers of Christ? To me they are simply pages filled with false religion, steeped in hate, and pointing to a false god; nothing holy there.
inspired word of God and the primary source for seeking His voice.
I guess you than disagree with Jesus,
Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Now if the words He speaks are life yet the scriptures cant bring you life can only mean that not all scripture is from Him.
Than again,
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Never once does Jesus nor the disciples say the " bible" is the word of God or scripture, in fact if you read the bible all the way through it Jesus always called people to Himself.
When Jesus says His voice, He means His voice.
The Holy spirit was given to teach man the truth not the bible. If you have Christ than you have a greater thing than any book could ever give you. Now is God your God or the bible, that is the question.,
Worst thing is if I was declare to you that the whole bible was the word of God i would have to lie before God.
God is not the author of confusion, God is inerrant, and God does not lie.
In all His Love
So you believe you are a prophet? Not challenging you there, but even as such we are told to test the spirits, IOW the things you are hearing from God MUST line up with the scriptures, if they do not they are not of God but of the flesh but if you elevate the small still voice in your head above the scriptures you will most certainly miss the mark.
How can any man claim to know God if that man disregards the written word of God, the God breathed written word. ::shrug::
"Man does not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God" Matt 4:4
Does anyone believe that Jesus and the disciples did not study the scriptures continuously? These were common men that were not well versed in the scriptures but from writings in the NT we see that they are most knowledgeable of the scriptures after their time with Christ and refer to the scriptures often.
: mjrhealth Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 06:50:04
inspired word of God and the primary source for seeking His voice.
I guess you than disagree with Jesus,
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Sounds more like agreement with Jesus.
One things that really burns me is when you claim your opinion is Jesus' opinion and that if we disagree with you we disagree with Jesus. Read the verse YOU QUOTED. Jesus is talking about he importance of Scriptures.
Paul told Timothy all we need are scriptures:
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
Peter said Paul's letters were Scripture:
"And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures." 2 Peter 3:15-16
: Alan Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 07:32:16
So you believe you are a prophet? Not challenging you there, but even as such we are told to test the spirits, IOW the things you are hearing from God MUST line up with the scriptures, if they do not they are not of God but of the flesh but if you elevate the small still voice in your head above the scriptures you will most certainly miss the mark.
How can any man claim to know God if that man disregards the written word of God, the God breathed written word. ::shrug::
"Man does not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God" Matt 4:4
Does anyone believe that Jesus and the disciples did not study the scriptures continuously? These were common men that were not well versed in the scriptures but from writings in the NT we see that they are most knowledgeable of the scriptures after their time with Christ and refer to the scriptures often.
Scriptures doesn't call itself the written word of God.
Scriptures are a witness and testimony to God.
Scriptures unless it is enlightened by the Spirit of God brings forth death, all you have
to do is look around you at the different churches, all divided over scriptures, and a house
divided against itself cannot stand.
You say we have to test the spirits and they must line up with scriptures, which I agree, but to
give you an example..
1 John 3, 9
No one born of God commits sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is
born of God
Now when mentioning a scripture like that, "christians" get defensive and say that no one can be perfect,
because we all sin, but yet it is what Jesus, Peter, Paul and John speak of.
So when testing the spirits whether they are of God according to scripture, and "christians" speak against
what the inspired writers of scriptures had to say about it, can I assume then that these " ""are not born again,
and I didn't say, did not believe, there is a difference?
What I believe some are alluding to, is that there are a lot of people , those on the broad road, that have a
relationship with the scriptures but do not have Christ living in them, they have elevated scriptures to be
God.
The bible itself is a dead letter word unless the Spirit brings forth the life that is hidden in its writings.
: doorknocker Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 08:39:23
: Alan Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 07:32:16
So you believe you are a prophet? Not challenging you there, but even as such we are told to test the spirits, IOW the things you are hearing from God MUST line up with the scriptures, if they do not they are not of God but of the flesh but if you elevate the small still voice in your head above the scriptures you will most certainly miss the mark.
How can any man claim to know God if that man disregards the written word of God, the God breathed written word. ::shrug::
"Man does not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God" Matt 4:4
Does anyone believe that Jesus and the disciples did not study the scriptures continuously? These were common men that were not well versed in the scriptures but from writings in the NT we see that they are most knowledgeable of the scriptures after their time with Christ and refer to the scriptures often.
Scriptures doesn't call itself the written word of God.
Scriptures are a witness and testimony to God.
Scriptures unless it is enlightened by the Spirit of God brings forth death, all you have
to do is look around you at the different churches, all divided over scriptures, and a house
divided against itself cannot stand.
You say we have to test the spirits and they must line up with scriptures, which I agree, but to
give you an example..
1 John 3, 9
No one born of God commits sin; for God's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is
born of God
Now when mentioning a scripture like that, "christians" get defensive and say that no one can be perfect,
because we all sin, but yet it is what Jesus, Peter, Paul and John speak of.
So when testing the spirits whether they are of God according to scripture, and "christians" speak against
what the inspired writers of scriptures had to say about it, can I assume then that these " ""are not born again,
and I didn't say, did not believe, there is a difference?
What I believe some are alluding to, is that there are a lot of people , those on the broad road, that have a
relationship with the scriptures but do not have Christ living in them, they have elevated scriptures to be
God.
The bible itself is a dead letter word unless the Spirit brings forth the life that is hidden in its writings.
Of course, and I do not propose that the Bible is the sole source of our relationship with Christ, but it is where the knowledge of Christ is birthed from, without the Bible we would be merely relaying folklore, the Bible keeps us grounded in the word of God.
People can be deceived in many different ways, to make claims that the Bible itself is an idol or "another god" is just one of them.
: mjrhealth Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 04:34:24
??? That isnt true , but Jan doesnt believe the Bible is ALL God inspired , he says some is , but not all
Neither do I that doesnt make one a false prophet just means we dont have to please man nor agree with him, only God.
in all His Love
Well, sorry to tell you, but disagreeing that the Bible is all inspired by God
is disagreeing with God.
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness
: Alan Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 07:32:16
So you believe you are a prophet? Not challenging you there, but even as such we are told to test the spirits, IOW the things you are hearing from God MUST line up with the scriptures, if they do not they are not of God but of the flesh but if you elevate the small still voice in your head above the scriptures you will most certainly miss the mark.
How can any man claim to know God if that man disregards the written word of God, the God breathed written word. ::shrug::
"Man does not live on bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God" Matt 4:4
Does anyone believe that Jesus and the disciples did not study the scriptures continuously? These were common men that were not well versed in the scriptures but from writings in the NT we see that they are most knowledgeable of the scriptures after their time with Christ and refer to the scriptures often.
Amen, Alan! Good post! It disturbs me when professing followers of Christ cast doubt upon His Word.
: BondServant Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 08:38:43
: mjrhealth Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 06:50:04
inspired word of God and the primary source for seeking His voice.
I guess you than disagree with Jesus,
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Sounds more like agreement with Jesus.
One things that really burns me is when you claim your opinion is Jesus' opinion and that if we disagree with you we disagree with Jesus. Read the verse YOU QUOTED. Jesus is talking about he importance of Scriptures.
Paul told Timothy all we need are scriptures:
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
Peter said Paul's letters were Scripture:
"And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures." 2 Peter 3:15-16
::amen!:: and ::amen!::
: doorknocker Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 08:39:23
Scriptures doesn't call itself the written word of God.
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
: doorknocker Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 08:39:23Scriptures unless it is enlightened by the Spirit of God brings forth death [emphasis mine]
"My soul clings to the dust; give me life according to your word!" Psalm 119:25
"The Word that gives life was from the beginning, and this is the one our message is about." John 1:1
: BondServant Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 09:37:28
: doorknocker Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 08:39:23
Scriptures doesn't call itself the written word of God.
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" 2 Timothy 3:16
: doorknocker Mon Jul 27, 2015 - 08:39:23Scriptures unless it is enlightened by the Spirit of God brings forth death [emphasis mine]
"My soul clings to the dust; give me life according to your word!" Psalm 119:25
"The Word that gives life was from the beginning, and this is the one our message is about." John 1:1
John 1, 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1 John 1, 1-3
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which
we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the WORD of Life, for the Life was manifested,
and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal Life, which was with the Father,
and was manifested unto us.
That which we have seen and heard, declare we unto you....
Is the scriptures the Word or is Christ the Word?
Or is scripture a testimony and witness to the WORD??
I absolutely agree with you all, the Word Of God is truth, Jesus Christ the word of God come in the flesh, in Him there is no guile, even God when He speaks from Him like Christ comes rivers of living water, the words that they speak bring life to those who will listen. But my God is alive just as is Christ the risen Lord, who died once for the sins of mankind, who gave His life once as a ransom for many. He is my Lord. I walk with Him talk with Him give myself for Him and God is always with me, He is not deaf He is not dumb and His arms can reach me wherever I am, as David said, wherever I am there you are, there is no place in this universe where I can hide from Him. And His wisdom is beyond all understanding, if we where to fill books with the wisdom of God the universe could not contain them.
But mankind squeezed Him into one,
Arnt we so clever.
In all His Love
Never said I was a prophet.
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
In all His Life
: mjrhealth Tue Jul 28, 2015 - 06:33:04
I absolutely agree with you all, the Word Of God is truth, Jesus Christ the word of God come in the flesh, in Him there is no guile, even God when He speaks from Him like Christ comes rivers of living water, the words that they speak bring life to those who will listen. But my God is alive just as is Christ the risen Lord, who died once for the sins of mankind, who gave His life once as a ransom for many. He is my Lord. I walk with Him talk with Him give myself for Him and God is always with me, He is not deaf He is not dumb and His arms can reach me wherever I am, as David said, wherever I am there you are, there is no place in this universe where I can hide from Him. And His wisdom is beyond all understanding, if we where to fill books with the wisdom of God the universe could not contain them.
But mankind squeezed Him into one,
Arnt we so clever.
In all His Love
No, *we* are not so clever at.all., actually. It is God who inspired the written Word.
He can't be fit all inside of anything, but He knows how carried away *we* would get with no boundaries...so He gave us His Word to hold *us* in. He is not a God of chaos, but one of order...and to keep the sheep from being devoured by the chaos that wolves who enter the sheepfold bring, He has a system in place to protect us. If it contradicts what He's already said inside of scripture, its not from Him. If its not supported by what He's already said inside of scripture, its not from Him. If a wolf tries to tell you that the Bible can't be trusted and has lead many astray, its not from Him and we should RUN away.
Good word of the day by Andrew (WarningThePeople)
I'm making this video obviously not knowing where you are from, or what religion you were part of or are part of. But I can tell you that no matter where you are and what religion your family is part of, they will be divided and offended at you if you choose to follow Jesus as your Master. Even if your family is proclaimed "Christian". You will disgrace your family if you follow Jesus for real. The reason why this is, is because the vast majority of Christians and families are not truly serving Jesus as their sole Master. It will take everything, every single part of you to stand up for the Truth and resist when your family comes against you saying; "Why are you causing division? That's of the devil... Why are you disgracing your family, you need to come back to the truth..." It will take every part of your soul to resist and to go with Jesus. I want to read you what Jesus said in regards to this in Luke chapter 12 starting in verse 51; "Do you suppose I came to give peace on earth? I tell you not at all, but rather division. For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter- in-law against her mother-in-law." This is the truth of Jesus that people DO NOT want to hear, because the majority of people fear men, they fear their family, they fear what people THINK... "Well my friends will leave me, my family will be so, unhappy with me..." Have you counted the cost to follow Jesus and the cost of discipleship? Jesus loves us, He doesn't want to cause division and in fact this (division) is of the devil. The devil is the one who causes division, because the majority of people are following the devil (he divided them from GOD), but it will sure look like you are the one that caused the division, because everyone else is saying "YOU are the ONLY one thinking the way YOU are..." They will ACCUSE YOU and it will take EVERYTHING IN YOU to stand up for the truth and stand by the side of Jesus. I want to encourage you today. If you are choosing to follow Jesus for real, take a stand with Jesus EVEN if it causes a division in your family. Stand up against them in LOVE and testify of the TRUTH OF JESUS. DON'T be like the hypocrites, don't be like those in church that say; "That's of the devil to cause division..." Because JESUS is like a dividing sword, and the majority of Christians today are unwilling to take a stand for the truth, because if they did it would divide their idols, their family members. They care more about what their family thinks then what JESUS thinks. Are you ready to take a stand for Jesus EVEN if it causes this division? Because we are in the LAST DAYS and the sheep are being separated from the goats and the wheat from the tares, and this will happen all the way down to your own family JUST as Jesus said, and it will PROVE if you REALLY love Jesus with your heart or if you hate Him; If you just SAY you love Jesus with your words but if you hate Him with your actions. Are you willing to take a stand for Jesus? Or are you going to stand with the hypocrites? Are you going to stand with those in your family that you love, even though they stand directly opposed to Jesus? WHAT are you going to do? May the grace of Jesus be with you.
If its not supported by what He's already said inside of scripture, its not from Him. If a wolf tries to tell you that the Bible can't be trusted and has lead many astray, its not from Him and we should RUN away.
Not even the bible nor Jesus say that??
Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
1Jn_5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
It is by teh Spirit we are supposed to be Led, it is by the Spirit we are supposed to judge all things.
But how many christians are led by teh spirit.
God gave you Jesus, Jesus gave you the Holy Spirit if you believe.
In all His Love
: mjrhealth Thu Jul 30, 2015 - 03:44:03
If its not supported by what He's already said inside of scripture, its not from Him. If a wolf tries to tell you that the Bible can't be trusted and has lead many astray, its not from Him and we should RUN away.
Not even the bible nor Jesus say that??
Joh_16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
1Jn_5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
It is by teh Spirit we are supposed to be Led, it is by the Spirit we are supposed to judge all things.
But how many christians are led by teh spirit.
God gave you Jesus, Jesus gave you the Holy Spirit if you believe.
In all His Love
So, you believe that God will contradict Himself? That He will give a word to someone that is in direct opposition to His written word?
There are a TON of people who have done horrible things and are *convinced* that they did them because the Spirit of God lead them to do them....if they only understood that all things are to be tested BY the Word and if they are in opposition to what God already said, they are NOT of Him.
You act as if the Holy Spirit cannot move and work and speak to us through the Scriptures. You act as if it is a dead book and devoid of the Spirit. That is not so.
He leads me BY the Word, by bringing to my mind remembrances of it, to lead me, teach me, guide me, protect me, discipline me, encourage and comfort me. HOW can that be lesser or treated as if its not as "spiritual"??? HOW can that be dismissed?? It can't. God's Word is alive and active, it is precious and a gift. I think it a shame when I see so many try and diminish it's purpose, it's inspiration and the absolute wonder that God came near and left us a love letter.
So, you believe that God will contradict Himself?
No God will never contradict Himslef, now for teh bible contradicting God that is another matter. Yes christians have an idle before God, they call it Gods word. No God did not leave us a love letter He gave Us Jesus, seems there is no place for Him
The Worship me with their mouths but there hearts are far from me.
yet you will not come to me so I can give you life
Funny thing is God has actually shown me things that are in the bible I was not aware of, but than God is my God, the bible is not.
In all His Love
: mjrhealth Fri Jul 31, 2015 - 05:38:19
So, you believe that God will contradict Himself?
No God will never contradict Himslef, now for teh bible contradicting God that is another matter.
Oh my gosh! You have GOT to be kidding me?! Please tell me that you are! The Bible is the boundary for measuring what we "think" we are hearing from God. If it is in opposition to what His written Word says, it is outside of His voice.
Yes christians have an idle before God, they call it Gods word. No God did not leave us a love letter He gave Us Jesus, seems there is no place for Him
How wrong you are. We hide God's word in our heart, so that we might not sin against Him, as it is written in the Psalms. God's word is alive and active, our knowing and obeying it, it is how people know that we LOVE Him.
He gave us Jesus, and Jesus would never advocate for us to disregard the Word. He USED the Word! He is our example!
The Worship me with their mouths but there hearts are far from me.
yet you will not come to me so I can give you life
Are you honestly trying to say that people that know and love God's word are not His? If so...how ridiculous! I would rather err on the side of 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
YOU go ahead and judge me (and others) all you want for knowing, loving and finding great joy in the study of God's Word. YOU have no idea. NONE. It is where true relationship with Him is born.
Funny thing is God has actually shown me things that are in the bible I was not aware of, but than God is my God, the bible is not.
The Bible is no one's god. It is the avenue of relationship with Him, however.
: mjrhealth Fri Jul 31, 2015 - 05:38:19
So, you believe that God will contradict Himself?
No God will never contradict Himslef, now for teh bible contradicting God that is another matter. Yes christians have an idle before God, they call it Gods word. No God did not leave us a love letter He gave Us Jesus, seems there is no place for Him
The Worship me with their mouths but there hearts are far from me.
yet you will not come to me so I can give you life
Funny thing is God has actually shown me things that are in the bible I was not aware of, but than God is my God, the bible is not.
In all His Love
Being that God Himself says that the word is inspired by Him, I think we need to take it seriously. I dont know any believers who make the word into an idol, but use it as guidance as to how to live, and a way of getting to know Him better.
The Bible is no one's god. It is the avenue of relationship with Him, however.
It is when you will believe it before you believe Him. It is amazing that christians will actually deny God Himself and believe a book before Him.
Being that God Himself says that the word is inspired by Him
God never said teh bible was inspired by Him, it is men taht call it Gods word when even the bible says that Jesus Christ is Gods word come in the flesh, even the disciples themselves a number of time speak things they say are not from Him, no they say "scripture" is inspired but do you know which part is scripture and which is not.
As Jesus says, the scriptures tel you of Him but you wont go to Him.
The words that He speaks they are spirit and they are life.
Do you have faith in God,
what would you do without your bible.
In all His Love
: mjrhealth Fri Jul 31, 2015 - 16:07:23
The Bible is no one's god. It is the avenue of relationship with Him, however.
It is when you will believe it before you believe Him. It is amazing that christians will actually deny God Himself and believe a book before Him.
What is amazing to me, is that you think you can deny His written Word and not be denying Him. His Word written in the Bible is fully His. It is FAR more trustworthy than your haughty, judgmental opinions ans accusations.
: MeMyself Fri Jul 31, 2015 - 16:19:55
: mjrhealth Fri Jul 31, 2015 - 16:07:23
The Bible is no one's god. It is the avenue of relationship with Him, however.
It is when you will believe it before you believe Him. It is amazing that christians will actually deny God Himself and believe a book before Him.
What is amazing to me, is that you think you can deny His written Word and not be denying Him. His Word written in the Bible is fully His. It is FAR more trustworthy than your haughty, judgmental opinions ans accusations.
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.If any of our opinions, no matter how deeply held, are contrary to God's Word, we are in error.
: Texas Conservative Fri Jul 31, 2015 - 16:44:34
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
If any of our opinions, no matter how deeply held, are contrary to God's Word, we are in error.
::amen!::
I
100% agree.
: mjrhealth Fri Jul 31, 2015 - 16:07:23
The Bible is no one's god. It is the avenue of relationship with Him, however.
It is when you will believe it before you believe Him. It is amazing that christians will actually deny God Himself and believe a book before Him.
Being that God Himself says that the word is inspired by Him
God never said teh bible was inspired by Him, it is men taht call it Gods word when even the bible says that Jesus Christ is Gods word come in the flesh, even the disciples themselves a number of time speak things they say are not from Him, no they say "scripture" is inspired but do you know which part is scripture and which is not.
As Jesus says, the scriptures tel you of Him but you wont go to Him.
The words that He speaks they are spirit and they are life.
Do you have faith in God,
what would you do without your bible.
In all His Love
2 timothy 3 v 16
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right
All Scripture is inspir
Since he was referring to the old testament Torah, yet which part of it is scripture.
Why dont people trust God to teach them, why is it they insist on having things between Him and them, is He so frighteneing,
and again what would you do without your bible??
Dont you have Christ, do you not have God, have you not the Holy spirit, do you think that there is anything in the bible that God cant teach you, even more so, what is there that is not in the bible, so much more God has to give yet so little room is given to Him.
In all His Love
are contrary to God's Word, we are in error.
Exactly anything that speaks outside of Jesus, (Gods word) and God is in error,
In all His Love
His Word written in the Bible is fully His. It is FAR more trustworthy than your haughty,
So you prefer the bible to Jesus who is the truth??
So many are offended by Him
In all His Love
: mjrhealth Fri Jul 31, 2015 - 20:53:04
His Word written in the Bible is fully His. It is FAR more trustworthy than your haughty,
So you prefer the bible to Jesus who is the truth??
Nope. Jesus doesn't contradict the written Word. The Bible IS God's inspired Word and Jesus wants us to obey it.
So many are offended by Him
Yes, so many are...but not in this case. I'm offended by YOU and your rude posts.
In all His Love
Somehow I doubt that.
The Bible IS God's inspired Word and Jesus wants us to obey it.
Show me where oit say the BIBLE is inspired.
I have never once said it does not contain what God has to say to man, but it certainly in no way shape nor form replaces His word "JESUS" or that what He speaks
It supposed to be
you and God
you and Jesus
you and the holy Spirit
But man has
you bible God
you bible Jesus
you bible Holy Spirirt,,
If you have Christ which is the greater, Him or the bible, what has the bible Got that He hasnt. It cant even save anyone nor give anyman life.
Why do so many prefer it to God??
In al His Love
: Cheez Wed Jul 22, 2015 - 14:38:44
Another good word of the day by Mr Boshoff.
Never in history has there been as many printed Bibles in the world. Never before in history have as many people been literate. The Bible is available everywhere, on the internet. There are many Bible EXPERTS in this world but there are very few people who know Jesus Christ. The world has no knowledge of God because they don't know Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ Himself is the WAY. If you don't KNOW Jesus and you don't FOLLOW Him, you are LOST. You might be a Bible Expert but Jesus said:"My sheep LISTEN to My VOICE and they FOLLOW Me." The world does not know right from wrong, they don't even know to blush, they have no shame. Christians are living in sin and wickedness and they don't even blush. They don't have Jesus Christ and they don't have the Holy Spirit. Many of them quote the Bible and they will tell you they have salvation but they are LOST in their SIN and they will PERISH because they don't KNOW Jesus Christ. If we OBEY Jesus Christ, DO as He commanded as is also recorded in the gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, if we REPENT and turn away from our evil ways and accept Jesus Christ, be baptized in water and seek HIM, seek the Holy Spirit INFILLING, then we will find Him. Without the Holy Spirit guiding you, you are LOST. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. If you don't have the Holy Spirit and if you do not follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit you are LOST with your Bible. Jesus Christ is the LIVING GOD and He guides each and every disciple bu His Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ you do not belong to Him and you will PERISH. There are many Bible Experts in this world but very little knowledge of God and that is why they SIN and they will perish in their sin if they do not REPENT and seek Jesus Christ. If you do not get to know Jesus Christ and follow and obey Him you will PERISH in your sins WITH your Bible. Seek Jesus NOW while you can before it is TOO LATE, FOLLOW and OBEY Him or you will certainly perish. May Jesus bless you.
This is another good teaching. ::headscratch::
: mjrhealth Fri Jul 31, 2015 - 22:51:59
The Bible IS God's inspired Word and Jesus wants us to obey it.
Show me where oit say the BIBLE is inspired.
I have never once said it does not contain what God has to say to man, but it certainly in no way shape nor form replaces His word "JESUS" or that what He speaks
It supposed to be
you and God
you and Jesus
you and the holy Spirit
But man has
you bible God
you bible Jesus
you bible Holy Spirirt,,
If you have Christ which is the greater, Him or the bible, what has the bible Got that He hasnt. It cant even save anyone nor give anyman life.
Why do so many prefer it to God??
In al His Love
2 timothy 3v16
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
Its not a question of either/or, The Bible is Gods word to us.
: chosenone Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 07:12:54
Its not a question of either/or, The Bible is Gods word to us.
That is what I was thinking too, Chosen...why is there this driving *need* to make it into an "either-or", a "Black or White" issue. Its not. God is rarely like that. He is sovereign AND He grants us free will. Jesus is fully God AND He is fully man. We are sinners, but God sees us as Jesus righteousness. The "either-or" card, limits God into one box or the other, IMO..which is ironic, because that is what we have been "scolded" for, because he says the Bible "limits" Him to one book.
: MeMyself Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 08:12:29
: chosenone Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 07:12:54
Its not a question of either/or, The Bible is Gods word to us.
That is what I was thinking too, Chosen...why is there this driving *need* to make it into an "either-or", a "Black or White" issue. Its not. God is rarely like that. He is sovereign AND He grants us free will. Jesus is fully God AND He is fully man. We are sinners, but God sees us as Jesus righteousness. The "either-or" card, limits God into one box or the other, IMO..which is ironic, because that is what we have been "scolded" for, because he says the Bible "limits" Him to one book.
Me also, and I fully agree that the Bible is God's word to us, in fact I would even go as far as to say that our relationship with our Lord should begin with reading our Bibles and read them daily as long as we are able to read the words within the pages or on the screen, the personal revelations from God are only going to confirm the word we have already read or possibly in some instances, point us to the place that needs to be read.
Setting aside the word in the belief that the Holy Spirit will remain with and individual and continue to guide them will eventually lead that person astray.
The Bible tells us to test the spirit but if we don't use the Bible as our foundation how can we affirm that the spirits are truly of God?
: Alan Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 08:54:17
: MeMyself Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 08:12:29
: chosenone Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 07:12:54
Its not a question of either/or, The Bible is Gods word to us.
That is what I was thinking too, Chosen...why is there this driving *need* to make it into an "either-or", a "Black or White" issue. Its not. God is rarely like that. He is sovereign AND He grants us free will. Jesus is fully God AND He is fully man. We are sinners, but God sees us as Jesus righteousness. The "either-or" card, limits God into one box or the other, IMO..which is ironic, because that is what we have been "scolded" for, because he says the Bible "limits" Him to one book.
Me also, and I fully agree that the Bible is God's word to us, in fact I would even go as far as to say that our relationship with our Lord should begin with reading our Bibles and read them daily as long as we are able to read the words within the pages or on the screen, the personal revelations from God are only going to confirm the word we have already read or possibly in some instances, point us to the place that needs to be read.
Setting aside the word in the belief that the Holy Spirit will remain with and individual and continue to guide them will eventually lead that person astray.
The Bible tells us to test the spirit but if we don't use the Bible as our foundation how can we affirm that the spirits are truly of God?
::amen!:: Good post!
I love the written Word of God, it is 100% trustworthy and 100% God's Word to us; it is our foundation, our boundary, our testing tool, AND I listen for the personal touch of the Holy Spirit's whisper on my life. I long for it, actually...and sometimes, He is so quiet, that I mourn...but that is when I am SO glad to have His written Word. I pick it up and I can "hear" God to me through its pages and promises. It explodes through my fickle emotions and perceptions of silence and cuts right to the quick of "This is TRUTH, let it rise above your feelings, girl! I.Am.With.You!"
The Bible tells us to test the spirit but if we don't use the Bible as our foundation how can we affirm that the spirits are truly of God?
oh_10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
As cheez posted so many people know the bible so few know Jesus
Dont you know Him, if you did surely you would know His voice??
In all His Love
: mjrhealth Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 16:44:09
oh_10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
As cheez posted so many people know the bible so few know Jesus
Dont you know Him, if you did surely you would know His voice??
In all His Love
That's a straw man.
Nobody is claiming the Bible saves us. We all know Jesus saves us.
We are all pointing out the fallacy of your contention that the Bible is corrupt, ineffectual, uninspired and misleading.
: BondServant Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 17:50:11
: mjrhealth Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 16:44:09
oh_10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
As cheez posted so many people know the bible so few know Jesus
Dont you know Him, if you did surely you would know His voice??
In all His Love
That's a straw man.
Nobody is claiming the Bible saves us. We all know Jesus saves us.
We are all pointing out the fallacy of your contention that the Bible is corrupt, ineffectual, uninspired and misleading.
Thank you.
Well than I guess from your arguement, the mormans, the Catholichs, protestants, Jehovah Witness, Sevent day Adventist, Greek Orthodox, russion orthodox, teh hunderd different Christian churches, baptists, Apsostolic, Foursquare, Assemblies of God, Church of God, Angilcans, armenian, and so an and so on must all be preaching teh truth and walking it, since teh yall preach teh bible,
And that is only the short list
One true God, man has a thousand variation alls based on the bible, which was written depending which one your read, based on two differnet text that still toady there is contention over.
How arrogant and pridefull is man
Its a good thing God is patient and forgiving.
If God is in your Hand than you are not in His.
In all His Love
: mjrhealth Sat Aug 01, 2015 - 22:36:54
Well than I guess from your arguement, the mormans, the Catholichs, protestants, Jehovah Witness, Sevent day Adventist, Greek Orthodox, russion orthodox, teh hunderd different Christian churches, baptists, Apsostolic, Foursquare, Assemblies of God, Church of God, Angilcans, armenian, and so an and so on must all be preaching teh truth and walking it, since teh yall preach teh bible,
And that is only the short list
One true God, man has a thousand variation alls based on the bible, which was written depending which one your read, based on two differnet text that still toady there is contention over.
How arrogant and pridefull is man
Its a good thing God is patient and forgiving.
If God is in your Hand than you are not in His.
In all His Love
Wow... ::faint::
Like the Pic cool.
Sad to think that there are Bible Scholars all over the world, since who knows when who study the bible, all the scripture they can find, even visit places the bible speaks of, yet when they die they will without knowing God nor believeing in Jesus.
Just a few days ago, a friend of mine tolde me how when she was a young christian a daugter of a friend ofher mum was going ti visit and she was a bible scholar. She told me how excited she was to hear she was coming, someone to discuss the Lord, but when she came and was asked if she would like to talk about Jesus, she said she didnt believe in Him she was just a bible scholar.
What did Paul say,
Php 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Php 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
You would think that if christians had Jesus, they would go to Him to learn about Him said thing is as He said few do.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
Joh 5:41 I receive not honour from men.
So laugh its all good.
In all His Love
I dont think that some people realise the power that is in Gods word. I know people who have been healed just through believing Gods promises from His word and I know an infertile couple who had a miracle baby after deciding to rely on promises from Gods word about children and fertility.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Its dangerous stuff to try and play down the Bible and its importance. Its not just a book, its God talking to Us.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yes His word was always with Him just as ours is always with Us, but the bible wasnt.
Just as Jesus said, teh scriptures point to Him, than we are supposed to go to Him, but so few make it. Do you have Christ would He not be a better teacher, or has teh Bible got something that He has not.
The bible did its Job, just like a gps usually gets someone to their destination, yet there have being instances where they have got bogged in fields even driven into rivers, but usually when they reach their destination they get out and do what needs to be done, but christians never seem to reach that destination , Christ, that the bible is supposed to lead them to, and if they do instead of Going to Christ they remain with their heads buried in the bible and miss out on the best things He has to offer.
Real shame.
Narrow is the way that leads to life,
I am the way,
or My sheep Hear my voice
I guess many are just not listening or dont know His voice.
In all His Love
: mjrhealth Sun Aug 02, 2015 - 05:59:41
I guess many are just not listening or dont know His voice.
You presume too much...truly you do.
You presume that God speaks to everyone JUST like He speaks to you and you presume that if they say not, that they don't belong to him, don't know His voice or are not listening.
He speaks to millions through His written Word.
: mjrhealth Sun Aug 02, 2015 - 05:59:41
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Yes His word was always with Him just as ours is always with Us, but the bible wasnt.
Just as Jesus said, teh scriptures point to Him, than we are supposed to go to Him, but so few make it. Do you have Christ would He not be a better teacher, or has teh Bible got something that He has not.
The bible did its Job, just like a gps usually gets someone to their destination, yet there have being instances where they have got bogged in fields even driven into rivers, but usually when they reach their destination they get out and do what needs to be done, but christians never seem to reach that destination , Christ, that the bible is supposed to lead them to, and if they do instead of Going to Christ they remain with their heads buried in the bible and miss out on the best things He has to offer.
Real shame.
Narrow is the way that leads to life,
I am the way,
or My sheep Hear my voice
I guess many are just not listening or dont know His voice.
In all His Love
Dont you realise how powerful the word is and that God often speaks to us through the Bible? He has done that with me many times. Also all that God says to us will be in agreement with the Bible, so we can know that its Him. There are many voices trying to lead us astray, so we need the Bible to keep us on track.
Only Christ is the true teacher. Teacher of all Teachers. As the Savior, Christ, and Lord. One and only Begotten Son of Christ. Not all teachers meaning earthly get it right all the time. Bear in mind.
so we need the Bible to keep us on track.
That is what the Holy Spirit was given for,
: mjrhealth Mon Aug 03, 2015 - 05:55:53
so we need the Bible to keep us on track.
That is what the Holy Spirit was given for,
The Holy Spirit will very often use the Bible to teach us and speak to us.
: chosenone Mon Aug 03, 2015 - 07:03:42
: mjrhealth Mon Aug 03, 2015 - 05:55:53
so we need the Bible to keep us on track.
That is what the Holy Spirit was given for,
The Holy Spirit will very often use the Bible to teach us and speak to us.
::amen!::
He is our helper! He knows just the right tool for each of us...and no one has the right to act as if He isn't doing His job, or the one He is helping isn't truly listening, or His or whatever, when He chooses to use the written Word to do so!
: mjrhealth Mon Aug 03, 2015 - 05:55:53
so we need the Bible to keep us on track.
That is what the Holy Spirit was given for,
So when people like Charles Taze Russell, Ellen White, Joseph Smith, David Koresh, etc, come forward and tell us that they were inspired by the spirit to begin their extra biblical religions, are we to take heed to their claims?