Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
give no thought for the morrow; today has enough evil in it
One world government
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
It's the seven year peace plan.
Your question asks for the next event to occur to our planet, and I suggest the following. Your video deals with the second half of the week of tribulation; I didn't listen to it all, but skimmed through its scriptures presented.
When does this following scripture occur? the middle of the week, and what week is this? Is there anything happening in the first half of the week, or prior to it?
What do you think of Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (This will happen 30 days prior to the covenant with many being signed by the man of sin.)
Dan 9:27a And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (This is the abomination of desolation, or the man of sin) and by all I read of that time, it will be no time of peace. Rev 7:14-15 describes the saints not ready for pre-trib as having been caught up out of great tribulation. That first three and one-half years of the week is also the temptation to come upon all the world. Rev 3:10 certain ones of the church are promised to be kept from.
After the first saints are present with our Lord after He receives His own throne in Rev 4:2 on the Lord's Day, John is shown two companies of believers: the Twenty-four elders of Rev 4:4 & the Four Living ones of Rev 4:6.
Then we read of the second half of the week in 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. (Just when is the antichrist revealed?) Dan 9:27b.
Thanks Val.
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23Hi All....
Your link is a piece of garbage when it comes to Daniel 9:27 and the usual error of trying to substitute Christ's work with that of the work of the prince foretold in Daniel 9:26.
The best video for the Book of Daniel (end times) is :
Paul Godfrey's "Daniel Unsealed - World History's Response to Biblical Prophecy" :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CtdGm556gM
I would say that the next big event, prophetically speaking, is the rise of a one world government. This system will be used by the Antichrist to rule and deceive the whole world.
: thedrumchannell Wed Jul 11, 2018 - 18:33:17
I would say that the next big event, prophetically speaking, is the rise of a one world government. This system will be used by the Antichrist to rule and deceive the whole world.
I'll be enjoying my life as Jesus gave "me" His peace.
Y'all can worry and talk about bad news if you like.
There's no stupid antichrist coming. What a boring story!!
I'm a lot happier than any Futurist!
Get with the Good news!
When Israel completes its 70th year as a nation on May 13th 2019. This is the generation of Jews that Matthew 24 speaks of that will have seen all these things come to pass.
Laspino3
I am pretty sure most Christian believers are not worried about the Antichrist or the tribulation. Our King is in control and will take care of our souls. I am happy, and although you might not be an end time believer, Bible prophecy will be fulfilled, as it is written in the Bible.
: LaSpino3 Fri Jul 13, 2018 - 08:27:17
When Israel completes its 70th year as a nation on May 13th 2019. This is the generation of Jews that Matthew 24 speaks of that will have seen all these things come to pass.
Laspino3
Sorry, this generation is not from the same generation Jesus spoke of. Stop playing on words- Jesus did not say "that" generation. Whew, so00000 in the past! Let's get on with good news for believers!
: thedrumchannell Fri Jul 13, 2018 - 15:31:08
I am pretty sure most Christian believers are not worried about the Antichrist or the tribulation. Our King is in control and will take care of our souls. I am happy, and although you might not be an end time believer, Bible prophecy will be fulfilled, as it is written in the Bible.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ over the skies of Jerusalem showed the tribes of the land proof that Jesus returned and the power of the holy people was shattered.
: lea Sun Jul 15, 2018 - 12:47:56
The Revelation of Jesus Christ over the skies of Jerusalem showed the tribes of the land proof that Jesus returned and the power of the holy people was shattered.
Hi lea,
I'm not sure what your message means in response to my post. Could you please elaborate further if you were trying to address a point?
Also, are you claiming that Jesus Christ has already returned?
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
[/size] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
[/size]Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober[/b].
: thedrumchannell Mon Jul 16, 2018 - 17:00:33
Hi lea,
I'm not sure what your message means in response to my post. Could you please elaborate further if you were trying to address a point?
Also, are you claiming that Jesus Christ has already returned?
Jesus returned over the skies of Jerusalem during the Roman/Jewish war. Look in the Preterist sub forum for some answers.
God Bless!
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
In case anyone really cares......
On Friday July 27th another blood moon will be observed in certain areas of the world. Accompanying the display this time will be the planet Mars, which can be seen approximately 2 degrees from the moon at the five o'clock position.
Every self-proclaimed expert seems to have an opinion as to what comes next - prophetically - rather than being concerned about what is upon us already.
At the present time the United States of America is under judgment of God for its wickedness, its unjust murder of millions, its criminal government and its wanton reckless disregard of God.
I am writing this in the last week of July 2018. As of this writing, the USA has suffered over 1 billion dollars worth of destruction and loss of life
per month. Actually its a bit more than 7 billion, but I'm floating the number out just as a point of argument. Gullible godless Americans like to say, 'God Bless America', but in point of fact God is NOT blessing America. He is delivering curses upon us.
The evidence of one's own eyes ought to be sufficient to convince even the most die hard skeptic. God is judging America NOW. The current level of constant destruction has never been recorded in history before, with but one exception. The death of 640,000 Americans and the destruction of the entire Southern Civilization fell upon us during the Civil War, which is now recognized as a judgment of God upon America for the sin of slavery. It happened to us before and is happening to us again. America is not exceptional in the eyes of God.
How bad does it have to get before we will fall to our knees as a nation and repent of our collective wickedness?
Pretty bad, apparently.
Watch and learn, pilgrim. There is more to come and it will not be pretty.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Thank you for the information about the blood moon, Choir Loft. I don't know if this will have prophetic significance, but good to know for end time watchers.
God Bless.
Pretty much right on.
There's some small matters he covered that needs clarification. The idea of the "holy covenant" in Dan.11 is not the "league" itself, but is the result of the "league" made. The "holy covenant" represents the re-established old covenant with a new temple and sacrifices again in Jerusalem by the orthodox Jews. Those who forsake that "holy covenant" are his allies against it, the "small people" he has dealings with mentioned earlier in Dan.11.
In Dan.2 about the beast statue, notice it shows 5 pieces 'together'... when the stone not made with hands (Jesus) comes to smite it upon its feet of ten toes, and the whole comes tumbling down. The feet of ten toes of clay mixed with iron represents the final one-world beast kingdom of Revelation 13. Because Dan.2 shows all the other pieces together on top, means the final beast kingdom will include all of those previous beast systems as one. And because the feet of mixed clay and iron is really weak, and the heaviest pieces are on top (gold being the heaviest), it reveals that final beast will be very top heavy, ready to fall.
There's at least two groups of orthodox Jews in Jerusalem today that I know of which have been preparing the materials to build a new temple for last couple of decades. At one time they even tried to place a cut cornerstone upon the Temple Mount (see Land of Israel and Temple Mount Faithful).
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
1 John4
Testing the Spirits
...3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is already in the world at this time. 4You, little children, are from God and have overcome them, because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world. 5They are of the world. That is why they speak from the world's perspective, and the world listens to them....
Berean Study Bible
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Is Satan still in this world? No, He is not in this "age to come"
He's in the lake of fire, so rebuke any influence of evil you may hear, in Jesus' name, and you will overcome the world.
: lea Fri Jul 20, 2018 - 17:06:13
Jesus returned over the skies of Jerusalem during the Roman/Jewish war. Look in the Preterist sub forum for some answers.
God Bless!
Which Roman/Jewish war? The First or Second?
I've read estimates of 500,000 to 1,000,000 Jews killed by the Romans during the Second Roman/Jewish war.
I'm an Amillennial but I do not believe that God turned his back on the Jews, nor did He want to see all of them perish. God saved a Remnant. If the Remnant has not done so well it is not due to God's wiping out the Jews. The Gospel opens the eyes of those Jews who have chosen to be blind to the true Son of God. God still loves them. They rejected the Suffering Servant because they were looking for a political Messiah. Those who reject, and still reject, Jesus as the Messiah believe that Isaiah 53 refers to the people, Israel. God Almighty used a Person, not a people, to reconcile mankind back to Him. God has rejected no one as anyone is free to accept that the finished work of Christ has saved them.
What I reject about Preterism is a couple of things. First of all, Preterists claim that Bible prophecy was fulfilled in 70AD when the Romans destroyed the Temple. Bible prophecy was and is fulfilled in Christ. The other error I reject is that the destruction of the Temple did not accomplish what Preterists claim. The Jews had already turned away from the Temple worship and took up worship in synagogues, and they gave more credence to rabbinical teachings than the Scriptures. Jesus told the Jews that they had turned His father's house into a den of robbers. A new and better priesthood was established by Christ. He is the Great High Priest. He now reigns over His spiritual kingdom and He will return to establish an eternal (not temporary under Law) kingdom. We don't need Preterism to show us error in Dispensationalism; Preterism creates more error in the process of trying to do that.
Notreligus,
Maybe not all fulfilled in AD70- that was Jesus' return fulfilled.
But whether the thousand years was symbolic or literal, it's over!
Perhaps the elect in heaven reigned with the Lord (literally) during the thousand years till AD1070 when Satan was prevented from deceiving on world, and many received the gospel at that time.
I'm praying for some blessings in the future not wars. ::smile::
If one really studies their Bible, especially the OT prophets in conjunction with the NT Epistles and Revelation, then it's impossible for our Lord Jesus to have returned already. His 2nd coming is still not happened today. And for those who don't know this, they certainly are in sad shape, because He warned of a certain deceptive event to occur just prior to His 2nd coming.
: dpr Sun Aug 05, 2018 - 13:00:36
If one really studies their Bible, especially the OT prophets in conjunction with the NT Epistles and Revelation, then it's impossible for our Lord Jesus to have returned already. His 2nd coming is still not happened today. And for those who don't know this, they certainly are in sad shape, because He warned of a certain deceptive event to occur just prior to His 2nd coming.
So, be of good cheer, Jesus has overcome the world! ::cheerleader:: (not in sad shape either)
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. - Rev. 16:12
Apparently the sixth angel, who shall remain nameless, has been quite busy of late.
The waters of the Euphrates River, which have flowed from its headwaters in the mountains of Turkey to the sea since time immemorial -
are drying up as you read these words !!!!!
Revelation 16:12 has been fulfilled !!!!
The cause of the massive drought in central and southern Iraq is political, not spiritual or mystical. Over the years a number of dams were built in Turkey for irrigation, flood control, and hydro-electrical power generation. Many news stories in recent weeks have documented the terrible drought being suffered by Iraqis. The Euphrates River IS dry. Rev 16:12 is no longer a future event. It is now.
For the first time in history, the Euphrates River has dried up.
There is no "next event". Although actual events in history do not seem to follow the same consecutive order as written in the Bible, they are happening nonetheless. Something tells me God wants it that way. Our job is to wait and see, to be good witnesses and to be ready for the advent of Our Lord whenever and however He chooses to appear.
One critical nation needs to be watched; Turkey.
Every red flag in the Bible points to
Turkey as a dangerous opponent to Israel and world peace.
Consider the following:All 7 churches of revelation are in
Turkey. Rev. 2-3
The throne of satan is in
Turkey. Rev. 2:13
True north of Jerusalem, Israel is Ankara,
Turkey. Ezek 38:6,15;39:2
Noah's Ark landed on Mt. Ararat in
Turkey. Gen 8:4
Daniel 8 & 11 address the Greek Empire, not Rome. At its fall, ancient Greece was divided into four parts; Greece,
Turkey, Syria & Egypt
The Eastern Roman Empire/Byzantine Empire with its capital of Byzantium/Constantinople, survived the fall of Rome (476) until 1453. Following the fall of Constantinople to the Muslim Ottoman Empire in 1453 the
Ottoman Turkey survived until 1923.
Euphrates River originates in
Turkey and will/IS drying up. Rev 16:12
All the "-stan" central Asian nations are
Turkic nations.
Muslims look to
Turkey as the global leader of Islam. (The battle flag of Mohammad is in Istanbul/Constantinople as well as His sword.)
Current
Turkish president Recep Erdogan wants to throw off the moderate government of Ataturk and restore the Ottoman Empire (former Roman/Byzantine empire).
WATCH TURKEY
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
End times of what?
End of the old covenant, written in hyperbolic language.
We are in "the age to come."
God's not going to fight with Israel any longer. That was centuries ago.
Give it up. Finding people to pray for these days is much more valuable than predicting the future. That's witchcraft anyway(sorry, but true)
You can pray for blessings for the future, stay in faith, and God will answer. Only God knows the future!
God bless us all!
1. Ladder rain (revival)
2. Rapture
3. 3.5 years tribulation
4. 3.5 years worse tribulation
5. Return of Jesus
6. 1000 years
7. Short time of real hell on earth
8. The whole universe destroyed by fire
9. judgment of those without Christ
10. Judgment of the works of those who are saved
11. Jesus wipes the tears from our eyes, (as they will be shed though the two judgments)
12. GLORY!
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
I think it will be HIS COMING and the rapture event. We should all be ready!
: lea Sun Aug 05, 2018 - 13:48:32
So, be of good cheer, Jesus has overcome the world! ::cheerleader:: (not in sad shape either)
I hope you are not, I mean not deceived. Because many brethren will be when the coming Antichrist shows up in Jerusalem for the very end of this world.
Our Lord Jesus, His Apostles Paul and John specifically warned us against the coming Antichrist who is to play God in Jerusalem, working great wonders and miracles that IF possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect.
Some preachers are teaching to not be concerned about all that. It's those who need to be worried, because those won't know this first supernatural messiah that's coming will not be our Lord Jesus Christ. And those being deceived just because they listened to some man, instead of staying in God's Word for themselves, ... is what is truly sad!
: dpr Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 17:06:19
I hope you are not, I mean not deceived. Because many brethren will be when the coming Antichrist shows up in Jerusalem for the very end of this world.
Our Lord Jesus, His Apostles Paul and John specifically warned us against the coming Antichrist who is to play God in Jerusalem, working great wonders and miracles that IF possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect.
Some preachers are teaching to not be concerned about all that. It's those who need to be worried, because those won't know this first supernatural messiah that's coming will not be our Lord Jesus Christ. And those being deceived just because they listened to some man, instead of staying in God's Word for themselves, ... is what is truly sad!
I almost forgot I posted on this topic in 2018!
You're still way off dpr!
First, Jesus told the apostles and his disciples they were the elect. You want to include 21 century believers there, but you and I are not the "elect" in the Bible. Get off that horse and realize the
"audience relevance" in the Bible., prophecy or not. Did you evangelize during the first century? Did you bring the gospel to all the known world at that time and suffer a beheading for it by enemies of the gospel? Sigh, did you tabernacle with Jesus in the flesh as the apostles did?
We are not the elect who gave up everything for the gospel of the kingdom's sake! So learn to read scripture with audience relevance in mind.
Next, God is not a respecter of persons. Earthly Jerusalem Israel today is not Biblical Jerusalem. The heavenly, spiritual Jerusalem is where "righteousness dwells." We see an earthly rendering of it in Rev.21,22. That was the whole point of God separating national Israel of the flesh only and true Israel- Messianic Jews and Gentile Christians.
You're in horror fantasy land if you think that we should be worried about ANY deceiver in our future big time. Know and have peace about the conclusion of the Bible.
You say "it's truly sad" but I'm not interest in feelings. I know the reality that is here now and it is not about our present time. It was the 1st century Christian"present time." So ponder the audience relevance and you will wind up finding yourself in a state of GRACE and favor., having angels for protection and blessings for the present and future!
Meditate on God's promises and only listen to sermons about faith and grace, not "end time" excuses for not having anything else to preach about. ::smile::
: lea Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 18:34:28
I almost forgot I posted on this topic in 2018!
You're still way off dpr!
First, Jesus told the apostles and his disciples they were the elect. You want to include 21 century believers there, but you and I are not the "elect" in the Bible. Get off that horse and realize the "audience relevance" in the Bible., prophecy or not. Did you evangelize during the first century? Did you bring the gospel to all the known world at that time and suffer a beheading for it by enemies of the gospel? Sigh, did you tabernacle with Jesus in the flesh as the apostles did?
We are not the elect who gave up everything for the gospel of the kingdom's sake! So learn to read scripture with audience relevance in mind.
You have a terribly twisted interpretation of Bible Scripture.
Col 3:11-12
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
KJV
You need to take those teachings of Judaism and apply them somewhere else, because they have nothing to do with Christianity.
And I definitely agree, you are not of Christ's elect; so it looks like you very well may be subject to falling away to that false messiah that comes first.
: dpr Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 23:30:43And I definitely agree, you are not of Christ's elect; so it looks like you very well may be subject to falling away to that false messiah that comes first.
Deceived? Both of you are, but, this is eschatology and by NO MEANS are we to judge a person's regeneration by their understanding of this doctrine~where righteous people disagree, and have since the days of the apostles. Only pride allows another believer to judge the believer's eternal state on this doctrine where there are divers understanding among true believers~and no one person has the corner on eschatology, at least I have not seen this to be true in almost fifty years in the Chrisitan faith. Some may be close, but no man is perfect, impossible.
And you shouldn't go judging when others (like myself) have not judged anyone to condemnation.
There will be many brethren that fall away when the Antichrist shows up and their deceived preachers tell them that's Jesus. That doesn't mean those will be lost to Christ in final though. It simply means they will be deceived, and that means not being of Christ's elect which will NOT be deceived. So understand the difference between warning others about the coming false Messiah vs. condemning one to the lake of fire, which only Jesus has Authority to do. You would think you'd understand how I'm trying to warn brethren of what's coming, showing that I care, instead of trying to condemn them.
: dpr Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 23:30:43
You have a terribly twisted interpretation of Bible Scripture.
Col 3:11-12
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
KJV
You need to take those teachings of Judaism and apply them somewhere else, because they have nothing to do with Christianity.
And I definitely agree, you are not of Christ's elect; so it looks like you very well may be subject to falling away to that false messiah that comes first.
Good luck with that! God is for me and you are against me - guess who wins?! ::crackup::
You defeat yourself. Where is your kindness and humbleness pal! ?
See here, I'm not referring to Calvinism. Such is too religious for me.
Colossians 3:9-12
9 Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self[a] with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. 11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,
Sure, we are chosen ones being born again but you miss the timing in the Bible. The "elect" or chosen ones in AD30-70 are who were written about. Not 2020 saints.
In fact , in Matt.24, when He gathers his "elect" from the 4 corners of the earth after the great tribulation, I believe he meant both the dead and living elect. "But for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."
: lea Wed Feb 26, 2020 - 11:32:21
Good luck with that! God is for me and you are against me - guess who wins?! ::crackup::
You defeat yourself. Where is your kindness and humbleness pal! ?
See here, I'm not referring to Calvinism. Such is too religious for me.
Colossians 3:9-12
9 Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self[a] with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. 11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,
Sure, we are chosen ones being born again but you miss the timing in the Bible. The "elect" or chosen ones in AD30-70 are who were written about. Not 2020 saints.
In fact , in Matt.24, when He gathers his "elect" from the 4 corners of the earth after the great tribulation, I believe he meant both the dead and living elect. "But for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."
If you don't believe you are one of Christ's elect, then you can look for Him to shut the door on you when He returns. Only His elect will serve and reign with Him in the future, which is written.
So you might want to consider the doctrines of men you latch onto more carefully.
: dpr Thu Feb 27, 2020 - 10:33:34
If you don't believe you are one of Christ's elect, then you can look for Him to shut the door on you when He returns. Only His elect will serve and reign with Him in the future, which is written.
So you might want to consider the doctrines of men you latch onto more carefully.
We are discussing the
end times. We were chosen from the foundation of the world but we are not the elect described in the Bible. Get your timing and audience relevance right!
Jesus has already come a second time. But that had nothing to do with him knocking on my heart's door from the first time.
Jesus loves- me- long- time. Obviously, having a personal relationship with him is priceless.
And if I have never believed the futurists claim that He hasn't come again, it means that He did his work the first time, and offered eternal salvation and the gospel. It was done. God was done. He sent his Son.
He returned for judgment on his enemies and to gather his elect up to that time, those dead and alive- who changed to eternal souls at "the twinkling of an eye."
I see you have the Full Preterist cult doctrines in your words, for they believe Jesus' 2nd coming has already happened, which of course is a complete falsehood.
That would explain why you don't recognize those in Christ today as being His elect. Full Preterism is just full of cult heresy one lie after another.
I have written a lot of things in the full preterist mindset in the past which I now ask the Lord for forgiveness for. I began 9 years ago studying FP and it sounded so right to me. I was in a bad place after my brother died and was isolating myself and just spent a long time in that place reading things and studying the word through that lens. Though a lot of arguments I used back then still seem sensible to me, I think I have really missed something, dual fulfillment or something. And now with this world-wide economic collapse that appears to be going full speed ahead, I am reminded about all of the things I said without humility of heart about "futurists". I formally apologize to anyone who reads this, I can't delete those conversations on this forum tho I would like to, and I hope no one who may stumble upon them is lead astray. Jesus Christ must be coming again, the world is ripe for a one world economy. Though it's hard for me to see past my understanding of Matthew 24 and Luke 21 concerning that generation and all the ways I put two and two together concerning prophecy and events of those times, I just accept that I cannot explain how it all works together but I must keep watch! Come soon, Lord Jesus! This world is growing darker by the day!!
Maybe you should apologize to Stormcrow, the full preterist who you back-stabbed with your confused beliefs in the Preterist section!
I liked Stormcrow and all the rest of the full preterists from years ago on this site. Wish they'd come back.
Admin on this forum probably could delete your posts by deleting your account? If so, then you could start afresh.
After having questioned the full preterist doctrine, be careful you don't fall into the pre-trib rapture trap either, because our Lord Jesus showed us that His coming and gathering of His Church is immediately after the tribulation He warned of (Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27). That gathering of the saints in His Olivet discourse is the same event Apostle Paul gave in 1 Thessalonians 4.
Pre-tribbers won't admit that because their leaders lie to them also, telling them Christ's Olivet discourse is not for His Church.
It simply boils down to who will listen and heed our Heavenly Father's Holy Writ instead of relying on traditions of man. A friend of mine is on a pre-trib rapture doctrine, his father a pastor preaching that doctrine. He has something like 13 of Tim LaHaye's books, and I still find there is much of The Bible he hasn't even read, particularly Scripture about prophecy for the end leading up to our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming. He has some doubts about the doctrine, but he was raised on it.
: raggthyme13 Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 05:32:05
I have written a lot of things in the full preterist mindset in the past which I now ask the Lord for forgiveness for. I began 9 years ago studying FP and it sounded so right to me. I was in a bad place after my brother died and was isolating myself and just spent a long time in that place reading things and studying the word through that lens. Though a lot of arguments I used back then still seem sensible to me, I think I have really missed something, dual fulfillment or something. And now with this world-wide economic collapse that appears to be going full speed ahead, I am reminded about all of the things I said without humility of heart about "futurists". I formally apologize to anyone who reads this, I can't delete those conversations on this forum tho I would like to, and I hope no one who may stumble upon them is lead astray. Jesus Christ must be coming again, the world is ripe for a one world economy. Though it's hard for me to see past my understanding of Matthew 24 and Luke 21 concerning that generation and all the ways I put two and two together concerning prophecy and events of those times, I just accept that I cannot explain how it all works together but I must keep watch! Come soon, Lord Jesus! This world is growing darker by the day!!
: raggthyme13 Mon Mar 16, 2020 - 05:32:05
I have written a lot of things in the full preterist mindset in the past which I now ask the Lord for forgiveness for. I began 9 years ago studying FP and it sounded so right to me. I was in a bad place after my brother died and was isolating myself and just spent a long time in that place reading things and studying the word through that lens. Though a lot of arguments I used back then still seem sensible to me, I think I have really missed something, dual fulfillment or something. And now with this world-wide economic collapse that appears to be going full speed ahead, I am reminded about all of the things I said without humility of heart about "futurists". I formally apologize to anyone who reads this, I can't delete those conversations on this forum tho I would like to, and I hope no one who may stumble upon them is lead astray. Jesus Christ must be coming again, the world is ripe for a one world economy. Though it's hard for me to see past my understanding of Matthew 24 and Luke 21 concerning that generation and all the ways I put two and two together concerning prophecy and events of those times, I just accept that I cannot explain how it all works together but I must keep watch! Come soon, Lord Jesus! This world is growing darker by the day!!
Your spirit back then was of a born again child of God which I looked PAST your doctrine and the confusion which you were in~if you remember. No need to go back, just continue growing in the truth and the Lord bless you in doing so. Brother Red Baker
Thank you, brother. You have shown great kindness over the years. The Lord bless you as well.
Both full & partial preterism are man-made & false. This is proven by history & reality.
: robycop3 Tue Mar 31, 2020 - 16:00:54
Both full & partial preterism are man-made & false. This is proven by history & reality.
Just the opposite. Preterism is true while futurism is wanting and waiting.
Preterism proves that Jesus was not a false prophet and returned to receive those remnant apostles to Himself as he promised them.
In reality, your "antichrist garbage" for today is big, bad news..
Get with the Good News!
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
Yep, he's right on target within God's Word. That video link is the first one I've seen posted on a Christian forum that I can totally agree is solidly based in God's Word.
Long ago I was confused about the KJV wording "confirm the covenant" in Dan.9:27. But a closer study in Daniel 11 about the "vile person" reveals the idea of confirming the covenant is actually about his making a "league" (pact) to re-institute the old covenant worship. That is why starting animal sacrifices and building another Jewish temple in Jerusalem is required for the Daniel 11:31 verse to be fulfilled.
Now here's the funny part...
Those against what he taught in that video from God's Word just so happen to teach specifically against those very specific points he covered.
Coincidence maybe?? I don't think so. The devil knows exactly how all those pieces of Bible Scripture fit together, from the Book of Daniel to our Lord Jesus' Olivet discourse to His Revelation given to His servant John. Afterall, the devil even quoted from the Psalms in tempting our Lord Jesus, adding just one little phrase that changed its meaning (Luke 4).
: dpr Tue Apr 07, 2020 - 18:35:33
Yep, he's right on target within God's Word. That video link is the first one I've seen posted on a Christian forum that I can totally agree is solidly based in God's Word.
Long ago I was confused about the KJV wording "confirm the covenant" in Dan.9:27. But a closer study in Daniel 11 about the "vile person" reveals the idea of confirming the covenant is actually about his making a "league" (pact) to re-institute the old covenant worship. That is why starting animal sacrifices and building another Jewish temple in Jerusalem is required for the Daniel 11:31 verse to be fulfilled.
Now here's the funny part...
Those against what he taught in that video from God's Word just so happen to teach specifically against those very specific points he covered.
Coincidence maybe?? I don't think so. The devil knows exactly how all those pieces of Bible Scripture fit together, from the Book of Daniel to our Lord Jesus' Olivet discourse to His Revelation given to His servant John. Afterall, the devil even quoted from the Psalms in tempting our Lord Jesus, adding just one little phrase that changed its meaning (Luke 4).
Nope, Jesus is the prince that confirms the covenant with many.
Lea, I'm seconding your reply. Jesus certainly was Messiah the Prince, as you have said. As the promised "messenger of the covenant" (Mal. 3:1), Jesus was prophesied to "confirm the covenant with many" of Daniel's people during that last 70th week from AD 30 through AD 37. Jesus did this personally during the first 3-1/2 years of His ministry, and vicariously through His apostles as leaders over the early church in Jerusalem during those last 3-1/2 years when they would "sit upon 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel", as He promised them in Matthew 19:28.
There is no reference at all to the "vile person" (Antiochus Epiphanes) of Daniel 11 to be found in Daniel 9:25-27's reference to Messiah the Prince. That's totally out of context. Dpr is doing some confused conflating there, for sure. One day I'll put up a post with a link to a source that gives a historical chronology for the entire chapter of Daniel 11 with names and pertinent dates that are a precise match for scripture's chronology.
For raggthyme13,
Not having read everything you have written in the past about "futurists", I'm not sure which comments you are retracting. But I can appreciate your humble, teachable spirit as expressed above. None of the eschatological camps are without error thrown into the mix, that's certain. This is why I try to pick through all of them to try to salvage the truthful elements and combine them into a homogenous whole system - one that is as error-free as I can get it this side of glory.
You are absolutely correct in your assessment that Jesus is coming again, and that we are to live accountably with that expectation. You are also absolutely correct that your former arguments for Matthew 24 and Luke 21 prophecy being applicable to that first-century generation were sensible ones.
The only way these two truths you are seeing can be unified is for Christ Jesus to have programmed a SECOND *AND* A THIRD COMING, in AD 70 as well as in our future. Just like the parable He gave that mentioned Him coming at *BOTH* THE SECOND *AND* THE THIRD WATCH of the night. If the servants were found faithfully serving when He returned BOTH TIMES, both sets of servants would be blessed (Luke 12:38 YLT).
Anyone would have to be purposefully dense to avoid seeing the entire world building to a crisis at present, as you are stating. But we are not presently building up to Christ's next, third return in our very near future - sorry to disappoint. As I have mentioned before on a few posts, we are building up to a crisis point where the whole world will go fallow at the beginning of the final 7th millennium period of human history - just like the land of Israel lay fallow for 70 years to "enjoy its Sabbaths". God can do His best work at building His kingdom when we can "BE STILL and know that I am God". It is then that He can best fulfill His intentions in Psalms 46:10. "I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth".
: lea Thu Apr 09, 2020 - 16:47:14
Nope, Jesus is the prince that confirms the covenant with many.
Jesus did not confirm any covenant for 7 years and then break it in the middle. Your agenda against even the 'simple' reading of the Daniel 9:27 verse belongs somewhere else, like on a Judaizer forum.
: dpr Sat Apr 11, 2020 - 14:00:15
Jesus did not confirm any covenant for 7 years and then break it in the middle. Your agenda against even the 'simple' reading of the Daniel 9:27 verse belongs somewhere else, like on a Judaizer forum.
The Text doesn't say anything about "the Prince" confirming a covenant for
7 Years You injected your theory there.
The Bible says that in the middle of the week He will be cut off, but not because of Himself. Do you understand that Jesus preached for some 3-1/2 years and was crucified then? So, you must reevaluate your idea Jesus ending the covenant Himself, as you say.
Do you know what the other 3/12 years refer to? Do you know for sure Daniel's 70 week prophecy?
: lea Tue Mar 31, 2020 - 18:08:55
Just the opposite. Preterism is true while futurism is wanting and waiting.
Preterism proves that Jesus was not a false prophet and returned to receive those remnant apostles to Himself as he promised them.
In reality, your "antichrist garbage" for today is big, bad news..
Get with the Good News!
It's very-obvious Jesus has NOT yet returned.
And again, history & reality prove preterism false. I have repeatedly asked for **PROOF** that the events prets SAY have already occurred, actually HAVE already occurred, & all i've seen is conjecture & guesswork.
The world is still going right on, as it did in 65 AD, 70 AD, & 75 AD. When Jesus retirns, the world will be greatly altered from what it now is. For that matter, the antichrist will alter it greatly, not to mention the great trib. And it's very-obvious these things haven't yet occurred !
: robycop3 Fri Apr 17, 2020 - 04:57:08
It's very-obvious Jesus has NOT yet returned.
And again, history & reality prove preterism false. I have repeatedly asked for **PROOF** that the events prets SAY have already occurred, actually HAVE already occurred, & all i've seen is conjecture & guesswork.
The world is still going right on, as it did in 65 AD, 70 AD, & 75 AD. When Jesus retirns, the world will be greatly altered from what it now is. For that matter, the antichrist will alter it greatly, not to mention the great trib. And it's very-obvious these things haven't yet occurred !
In Daniel 9:24 the Lord said that Seventy Weeks were determined to seal up vision and prophecy. This term "seal vision and prophecy" is tremendously significant. It means that seventy weeks were assigned by God for the fulfillment of all prophecy! Daniel 9 is concerned with Israel and the fulfillment of her promises-- not the end of time, or the end of the Christian age. Daniel 9 does in fact predict the time of the fulfillment of all prophecy. Daniel 9 posits the end of the seventy weeks at the time of the destruction of the city and temple in AD 70. ~Don K. Preston
: lea Fri Apr 17, 2020 - 18:16:54
In Daniel 9:24 the Lord said that Seventy Weeks were determined to seal up vision and prophecy. This term "seal vision and prophecy" is tremendously significant. It means that seventy weeks were assigned by God for the fulfillment of all prophecy! Daniel 9 is concerned with Israel and the fulfillment of her promises-- not the end of time, or the end of the Christian age. Daniel 9 does in fact predict the time of the fulfillment of all prophecy. Daniel 9 posits the end of the seventy weeks at the time of the destruction of the city and temple in AD 70. ~Don K. Preston
Of course, Preston was wrong. You really should stop reading the bunk of those charlatans, as you start believing it.
Once again, it's quite-obvious there's a LOT of prophecy yet to be fulfilled, including all the eschatological events. The Revelation was not given just to fill in some blank scrolls.
I, and others, have repeatedly asked for **PROOF** of past fulfillments of those events. We ask sarcastically, knowing that no such proof exists.
For instance, Rev. 3:10 says the great trib will come upon THE WHOLE WORLD, & the context of the descriptions of its plagues back up that statement. It simply hasn't happened yet.
: robycop3 Sat Apr 18, 2020 - 08:13:04
Of course, Preston was wrong. You really should stop reading the bunk of those charlatans, as you start believing it.
Once again, it's quite-obvious there's a LOT of prophecy yet to be fulfilled, including all the eschatological events. The Revelation was not given just to fill in some blank scrolls.
I, and others, have repeatedly asked for **PROOF** of past fulfillments of those events. We ask sarcastically, knowing that no such proof exists.
For instance, Rev. 3:10 says the great trib will come upon THE WHOLE WORLD, & the context of the descriptions of its plagues back up that statement. It simply hasn't happened yet.
Preston makes more money than you because he's wiser!
: lea Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 15:06:28
Preston makes more money than you because he's wiser!
...And more of a tale-teller !
: robycop3 Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 17:06:46
...And more of a tale-teller !
Nope. We are both cooler than you. ::cool:: ::cool::
: lea Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 18:07:54
Nope. We are both cooler than you. ::cool:: ::cool::
And apparently a lot more Scripture & history-ignorant !
: robycop3 Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 07:10:54
And apparently a lot more Scripture & history-ignorant !
Wow, you must be looking in the mirror when you say that!
Don't include all Christians and the world today with your doom and gloom fortune/ future-telling.
Read and type something uplifting the Faith, not project uninspiring empty statements which you can't prove the future with. Only God knows the future.
We look to Him for guidance and prayer every day. That's the good news of salvation.
Perceive like us, Jesus' spiritual kingdom which is here now.
Luke 21:20When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. 21Nor will people say, 'Look, here it is,' or 'There it is.' For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst."
You have nothing to counter. The past is gone. Realize that.
: lea Thu Apr 16, 2020 - 15:10:27
The Text doesn't say anything about "the Prince" confirming a covenant for 7 Years You injected your theory there.
The Bible says that in the middle of the week He will be cut off, but not because of Himself. Do you understand that Jesus preached for some 3-1/2 years and was crucified then? So, you must reevaluate your idea Jesus ending the covenant Himself, as you say.
Do you know what the other 3/12 years refer to? Do you know for sure Daniel's 70 week prophecy?
The interjection into the Daniel Scripture is yours, per the traditions of men you hold to.
Simple grammar requires one to pickup the subject of the 'he' in Dan.9:27 by going back to the previous Dan.9:26 prince that was to destroy the sanctuary and city, which was the Roman general Titus who's Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 69 A.D. Thing is though, with that Dan.9:26 verse there's more info given after the description of what that evil prince does.
Dan 9:26
The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
NIV
The 'end' being referred to is actually about the very end of this world involving the final Antichrist. The 'he' in Dan.9:27 is about a final Antichrist. And we today already know more about that coming Antichrist for the end of this world which is covered in Christ's Revelation...
Rev 12:15-17
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV
dpr- Ok. this is fun! It's not about the grammar here. And there are several Bible renderings that do twist the paragraphs inaccurately.
Look at chapter 9 . There were certain "works" if you will, God told Daniel that Israel had to do in the seventy weeks of sevens prophecy to save themselves and their city.
Note Messiah the prince in v.25.
So 69 weeks until Messiah the prince. Verse 27 refers back to Messiah the prince making a strong covenant with many for one week. (70 week) Hebrew Christians (many) accepted Jesus and the new covenant of grace and salvation.
Only a deity in the Bible can make a "covenant." It's not a "treaty" or called anything else.
Also, it could not be Titus because he is the ruler to come in v.26 and Titus didn't cut off the sacrificing and offering in the middle of the 70th week. Jesus, the Messiah brought an end to the sacrifice and offering by offering up Himself as the ultimate sacrifice in AD30 or 33.
Then the end of v.27 describes Titus, (Daniel's 11th horn in ch.7) delving out God's wrath on those who crucified the Messiah after 691/2 weeks. The times, time, and a half time (3 1/2 years - the 42 months) all represent the Great and Terrible day of God in Malachi 4.
"Seventy [e]weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
[f]To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint [g]the Most Holy.
25
"Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The [h]street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26
"And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall [j]be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27
Then he shall confirm a [k]covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the [l]desolate."
And I don't think Rev.12 refers to the great tribulation. The woman was protected from the dragon... the woman is the rebirthed Israel in Christ. This "woman" fulfills the "strong covenant with many for one week."
While Jesus fulfilled all the sacrificial requirements of God's law, the Jews went right on sacrificing at the temple, as they'd done for centuries.
And the Jews plan to begin sacrificing again when the new temple is built. THAT will be when the antichrist ends those sacrifices.
: robycop3 Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 08:24:04
While Jesus fulfilled all the sacrificial requirements of God's law, the Jews went right on sacrificing at the temple, as they'd done for centuries.
And the Jews plan to begin sacrificing again when the new temple is built. THAT will be when the antichrist ends those sacrifices.
Extreme Zionism. And promoting cruelty to animals is a sin and against the law.
: lea Mon Apr 27, 2020 - 18:52:57
Extreme Zionism. And promoting cruelty to animals is a sin and against the law.
Like it or not, that's the Jews' plan.
Speaking of animal cruelty, are you a veggie? Do you have a dog or cat? If you have either one, recently, a cow or horse died so little Fifi or Pusswell could eat.
: robycop3 Tue Apr 28, 2020 - 06:20:47
Like it or not, that's the Jews' plan.
Speaking of animal cruelty, are you a veggie? Do you have a dog or cat? If you have either one, recently, a cow or horse died so little Fifi or Pusswell could eat.
Horse meat happens when the animal dies.
Jews plan? You mean Rabbinic Judaism and not the
Biblical HebrewsI am rooting for Christians, not unsaved heathen Jews who mock Christ. Open up some of the videos that come from Israel and look see how they still mock the Messiah! Saw a puppet video where the Zionist girl was whipping a puppet Christ with a belt.
: lea Sat May 02, 2020 - 11:48:17
Horse meat happens when the animal dies.
Jews plan? You mean Rabbinic Judaism and not the Biblical Hebrews
I am rooting for Christians, not unsaved heathen Jews who mock Christ. Open up some of the videos that come from Israel and look see how they still mock the Messiah! Saw a puppet video where the Zionist girl was whipping a puppet Christ with a belt.
I'm quite aware that the Jews still reject Jesus as Messiah. But He's gonna make them know who He is in no uncertain manner when His time comes, & He will then shortly purge all unbelievers from among them. (and the rest of Israel.)
: robycop3 Sat May 02, 2020 - 13:33:12
I'm quite aware that the Jews still reject Jesus as Messiah. But He's gonna make them know who He is in no uncertain manner when His time comes, & He will then shortly purge all unbelievers from among them. (and the rest of Israel.)
You playing God again!
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
There is no seven year peace plan anywhere in the Bible.
: bbyrd009 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:28:53
give no thought for the morrow; today has enough evil in it
Besides that, everyone has their end time. It has always fascinated me how religious men spend so much time trying to see a future that even Jesus didn't know when would come. He comes as a thief in the middle of the night, when you are least expecting it, BAM, you time of testing is over and you go wait with Abraham and Daniel for the resurrection of both the just and the unjust.
Jesus said to always be ready, so that your end time doesn't catch you unawares.
"give no thought for the morrow; today has enough evil in it"
Perfect response to the OP.
GB, Jesus' "Sermon on the Mount" has nothing to do with the apostate Jews end time!
And Jesus did not imply that everyone has their end time. He is describing an absolute foundation of faith- in the Beatitudes!
I didn't come into "end times" subject until I was fully grounded in the faith.
Sir, there is no end times for us Christians anymore. We are reaping what the early Christians sowed.
Everyone having their "end" is just that. We die and Jesus is right there receiving us to himself.
Jesus doesn't come as a thief in the night for Christians. Especially Christians who are alive! And NEVER as a thief!
God gave Jesus the Revelation (Rev.1) All was to happen soon according to the Father's decree. Do you get the gist of that?
So, look at Revelation again. God gave the time (soon) to Jesus to John.
We don't need to stand vigilant for anything! We just need to pray and stand on God's promise for us.
In love, and thank you.
: lea Sat May 09, 2020 - 17:23:14
GB, Jesus' "Sermon on the Mount" has nothing to do with the apostate Jews end time!
And Jesus did not imply that everyone has their end time. He is describing an absolute foundation of faith- in the Beatitudes!
I didn't come into "end times" subject until I was fully grounded in the faith.
Sir, there is no end times for us Christians anymore. We are reaping what the early Christians sowed.
Everyone having their "end" is just that. We die and Jesus is right there receiving us to himself.
Jesus doesn't come as a thief in the night for Christians. Especially Christians who are alive! And NEVER as a thief!
God gave Jesus the Revelation (Rev.1) All was to happen soon according to the Father's decree. Do you get the gist of that?
So, look at Revelation again. God gave the time (soon) to Jesus to John.
We don't need to stand vigilant for anything! We just need to pray and stand on God's promise for us.
In love, and thank you.
1 Thess. 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when
they shall say,
Peace and safety then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, (Be Vigilant) as do others;
but let us watch (Be Vigilant ) and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day,
be sober,
putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet,
the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Vigilant means to "Watch", to "keep awake".
I don't believe the very popular religious teaching that we are all set, already there, and that "We don't need to stand vigilant for anything". I understand how attractive and comforting this religious doctrines sounds. "Peace and Safety" But the Scriptures say we are to "HOPE" for Salvation, not sleep as if we are already guaranteed salvation. Paul certainly doesn't instruct the Thessalonians in this manner as he shows in his instruction to them above..
And Peter also believes we should be vigilant, and Watch so that was are not caught unawares. .
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9
Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
And Jesus Himself also warned of the teaching of religious men who preach "Peace and Safety".
Matt. 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because
iniquity shall abound,
the love of many shall wax cold. 13
But he that shall endure unto the end,
the same shall be saved.
Endure means to "bear trials, have fortitude, persevere, abide.
I don't know who told you the followers of the Christ do not need to stand Vigilant for anything. But in all due respect, it goes exactly opposite of what the scriptures tell us to be.
Luke 21:34 And
take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36
Watch ye therefore, (Be Vigilant) and pray always,
that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
I respectfully disagree with your reply based on the evidence posted above. I mean no offence.
: lea Tue Feb 25, 2020 - 18:34:28
I almost forgot I posted on this topic in 2018!
You're still way off dpr!
First, Jesus told the apostles and his disciples they were the elect. You want to include 21 century believers there, but you and I are not the "elect" in the Bible. Get off that horse and realize the "audience relevance" in the Bible., prophecy or not. Did you evangelize during the first century? Did you bring the gospel to all the known world at that time and suffer a beheading for it by enemies of the gospel? Sigh, did you tabernacle with Jesus in the flesh as the apostles did?
We are not the elect who gave up everything for the gospel of the kingdom's sake! So learn to read scripture with audience relevance in mind.
Next, God is not a respecter of persons. Earthly Jerusalem Israel today is not Biblical Jerusalem. The heavenly, spiritual Jerusalem is where "righteousness dwells." We see an earthly rendering of it in Rev.21,22. That was the whole point of God separating national Israel of the flesh only and true Israel- Messianic Jews and Gentile Christians.
You're in horror fantasy land if you think that we should be worried about ANY deceiver in our future big time. Know and have peace about the conclusion of the Bible.
You say "it's truly sad" but I'm not interest in feelings. I know the reality that is here now and it is not about our present time. It was the 1st century Christian"present time." So ponder the audience relevance and you will wind up finding yourself in a state of GRACE and favor., having angels for protection and blessings for the present and future!
Meditate on God's promises and only listen to sermons about faith and grace, not "end time" excuses for not having anything else to preach about. ::smile::
Apparently you are ignorant or willingly ignorant of the 50 to 125 million Christians who were imprisoned, put to the sword, tortured, or burned alive at the stake during the dark ages for believing and preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. Not to mention the many more recent Christians suffering similar fates around the world today. Your own experience of apparent ignorant bliss does not equal the experience of the rest of Christ's present day or past body, or even the truth at all in relation to the same. So be it. Continue upon your ignorant merry way.
: Amo Sat Jun 06, 2020 - 12:33:17
Apparently you are ignorant or willingly ignorant of the 50 to 125 million Christians who were imprisoned, put to the sword, tortured, or burned alive at the stake during the dark ages for believing and preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ. Not to mention the many more recent Christians suffering similar fates around the world today. Your own experience of apparent ignorant bliss does not equal the experience of the rest of Christ's present day or past body, or even the truth at all in relation to the same. So be it. Continue upon your ignorant merry way.
I'm aware of those martyrs, but they weren't the inspired apostles and disciples the Bible speaks about.
Ignorance is bliss when you tell me other Christians are suffering today. I feel for everyone who is suffering, but I disconnect when you relate it to the "end times" in the Bible.
Anyway,
Did not the johnny- come- lately worker in Jesus' parable get paid the same as the workers who were there all day?
Just because I may not have been born-again until 30 or so, I still am promised to have life-changing grace now and future.
I'm not worried about the past, even when I found out about Eschatology. Jesus already gave me peace and maybe a bit of wisdom about it. I have high hopes that the Lord will continue
with His blessings and freedom to love and always look for what's still good around.
So be thankful. I'm thankful to be born in the U.S.A..... Evil people have to reckon with our laws more so I think than anywhere else. ::smile::
: lea Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 17:57:52
dpr- Ok. this is fun! It's not about the grammar here. And there are several Bible renderings that do twist the paragraphs inaccurately.
Look at chapter 9 . There were certain "works" if you will, God told Daniel that Israel had to do in the seventy weeks of sevens prophecy to save themselves and their city.
Note Messiah the prince in v.25.
So 69 weeks until Messiah the prince. Verse 27 refers back to Messiah the prince making a strong covenant with many for one week. (70 week) Hebrew Christians (many) accepted Jesus and the new covenant of grace and salvation.
You are not staying with the Daniel scriptures, because you cannot rely solely on one verse like you're doing with Daniel 9:27.
The 69th week of the prophecy ended with Christ's crucifixion (29 A.D.). That ended reference to Jesus in that prophecy. Then the subject of the one who comes to destroy the city and sanctuary becomes the next topic, and continues into the Dan.9:27 verse...
Dan 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV
The subject flow of the "he" is about that same one that destroys the city and sanctuary. That represented the Roman general Titus as a type of antichrist. Except in final, it's about a false one who does something else with the sanctuary that Titus never did. The final false one spiritually desolates the sanctuary with an idol abomination. Now we well know once Titus destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, that ended any ability for sacrifices by the Jews, and ending them in the middle of a 7 year period like the Daniel 9:27 verse says. So it's a no brainer that the Dan.9:27 verse is pointing further on down the road with another 'type' of antichrist. Per Revelation 13 with the setting up of the "image of the beast" by the "dragon", whom we are told the whole world will worship, that is the Antichrist the Dan.9:27 verse is ultimately pointing to.
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
40 minutes IS NOT a short video.
The video supposedly addresses the prophecies of Daniel.
NOTWhile scripture doesn't lie, liars can quote scripture - and often do. The devil tempted Jesus with scripture on several occasions. If it could happen to Jesus it WILL happen to us.
The absolute #1 stumbling block for most false prophets today is that they claim to interpret ancient prophecy, BUT DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS. How can someone predict tomorrow when they can't tell you where the calendar tells them they are today?
The GREGORIAN CALENDAR that sits on your desk or hangs on your kitchen wall wasn't adopted by Europeans until the year 1582. It's a solar calendar, meaning it's based upon one orbit of the earth around the sun - 1 year. Prior to 1582 the entire world relied upon a lunar calendar - 1 orbit of the moon around the earth. We know this astronomical event as a month. Thus 12 lunar years = 1 solar year. Simple? Not so simple if you attempt to apply a Gregorian calendar to time periods measured in lunar years.
Islam is a modern religion that STILL marks the passage of time in lunar years.
Hebrew calendars add confusion to the mixture because they track lunar years AS WELL AS solar years. Ask a local rabbi to share the annual calendar he passes out to his congregation each years. They are free and he'll be glad to give you one. Reading the Hebrew calendar one will notice both lunar and solar time on the same calendar.
SO......if a false prophet asserts Daniel predicted 7 YEARS.....please answer one simple question. Was Daniel speaking of
lunar years (7 months) or was he speaking of
solar years?
If a false interpretation
doesn't know what day it is on the calendar how can it possibly be certain as to the rest of the events predicted? It can't.
(Hint: There is a way, but at this point I'll just let the writer of the quoted post stew in his own juice.)that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
PS
I first encountered this problem with calendars when researching my first book on Atlantis. For example, most interpretations of the destruction of Atlantis (not the real name of the city, by the way) quote Plato who cited a time approximately 9,000 years before his own. Modern interpretations suggest the elapsed time was solar years, but fail to remember the Gregorian calendar wasn't adopted until 1582 AD. Plato lived in the 4th century BC (Gregorian time) and wrote of the fall of Atlantis approximately 9,000 years before his time. (9,000 lunar years / 12 solar years = 750 years). Add the two together and the resultant time in Gregorian calendar years is approximately 1100 - 1200 BC. Thus the fall of Atlantis is closer to the modern age than most estimates BECAUSE the appropriate calendar isn't calculated.
Just in case you're interested the name of the city was
AULLAGAS in the native tongue - not Atlantis as Plato insisted. Google Aullagas and get a surprise. It's in Bolivia, a land locked country, not at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.
: Choir Loft Sat Apr 09, 2022 - 10:17:36
40 minutes IS NOT a short video.
The video supposedly addresses the prophecies of Daniel.
NOT
While scripture doesn't lie, liars can quote scripture - and often do. The devil tempted Jesus with scripture on several occasions. If it could happen to Jesus it WILL happen to us.
The absolute #1 stumbling block for most false prophets today is that they claim to interpret ancient prophecy, BUT DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT DAY IT IS. How can someone predict tomorrow when they can't tell you where the calendar tells them they are today?
The GREGORIAN CALENDAR that sits on your desk or hangs on your kitchen wall wasn't adopted by Europeans until the year 1582. It's a solar calendar, meaning it's based upon one orbit of the earth around the sun - 1 year. Prior to 1582 the entire world relied upon a lunar calendar - 1 orbit of the moon around the earth. We know this astronomical event as a month. Thus 12 lunar years = 1 solar year. Simple? Not so simple if you attempt to apply a Gregorian calendar to time periods measured in lunar years.
Islam is a modern religion that STILL marks the passage of time in lunar years.
Hebrew calendars add confusion to the mixture because they track lunar years AS WELL AS solar years. Ask a local rabbi to share the annual calendar he passes out to his congregation each years. They are free and he'll be glad to give you one. Reading the Hebrew calendar one will notice both lunar and solar time on the same calendar.
SO......if a false prophet asserts Daniel predicted 7 YEARS.....please answer one simple question. Was Daniel speaking of lunar years (7 months) or was he speaking of solar years?
If a false interpretation doesn't know what day it is on the calendar how can it possibly be certain as to the rest of the events predicted? It can't.
(Hint: There is a way, but at this point I'll just let the writer of the quoted post stew in his own juice.)
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
PS
I first encountered this problem with calendars when researching my first book on Atlantis. For example, most interpretations of the destruction of Atlantis (not the real name of the city, by the way) quote Plato who cited a time approximately 9,000 years before his own. Modern interpretations suggest the elapsed time was solar years, but fail to remember the Gregorian calendar wasn't adopted until 1582 AD. Plato lived in the 4th century BC (Gregorian time) and wrote of the fall of Atlantis approximately 9,000 years before his time. (9,000 lunar years / 12 solar years = 750 years). Add the two together and the resultant time in Gregorian calendar years is approximately 1100 - 1200 BC. Thus the fall of Atlantis is closer to the modern age than most estimates BECAUSE the appropriate calendar isn't calculated.
Just in case you're interested the name of the city was AULLAGAS in the native tongue - not Atlantis as Plato insisted. Google Aullagas and get a surprise. It's in Bolivia, a land locked country, not at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.
And if you do Google it make sure to /Atlantis or / Bolivia or you get a real strange drop down list.
BTW, I appreciate the calendar lesson, but as this poster posted in 2018 I doubt they will benefit from it
: val5662 Mon Jan 01, 2018 - 12:07:23
Hi All....
Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
It's the seven year peace plan.
You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo)
Have a great day!
Have you noticed how a question is posed as a thread title when NO QUESTION is asked?
Instead a personal ideology is advanced as a statement rather than a question.
I have a question of my own.
Why?
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...